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Speaker 1: You have now heard from both AFANT and the Guided

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Speaker 1: Fishing Industry Association who are urgently calling on the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Government to introduce conservative catch limits for the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four commercial Barrow Mundy fishing season to protect important recreational,

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Speaker 1: tourism and traditional fishing areas from overfishing, and that is

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Speaker 1: what they say due to increases in concentrated commercial gill netting.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Seafood Council's Chief Executive Officer, Catherine Winchester.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now we've heard those concerns that have been raised by

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Speaker 1: both ATHANT and the Guided Fishing Industry Association. Are you

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Speaker 1: satisfied with the catch limits for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Look, there's a new intram harvest strategy that's been introduced

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Speaker 4: for the Barra Mundy twenty twenty four season, which all

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Speaker 4: stakeholders have been working on for the last couple of years,

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Speaker 4: and that's put some safeguards in place. It's recognized that

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Speaker 4: there are key areas that are really important for the fishery,

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Speaker 4: so there's particular management areas where we never want to

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Speaker 4: go below a level, so we've got really high abundance

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Speaker 4: levels or really making sure that there's enough fish in

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Speaker 4: the water there that suits the recreational fishing tour operators

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Speaker 4: and commercial operators as well.

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Speaker 1: Look, how important is commercial is the commercial fishing industry

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Speaker 1: to the Northern Territory Because I guess we've spoken a lot,

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Speaker 4: To the consumer that can't go fishing. I'd say it's

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Speaker 4: incredibly important. You know, not everyone can go fishing or

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Speaker 4: afford to go on a fishing tour operator. The Barrow

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Speaker 4: Munday fishery is so important to the whole territory. It's

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Speaker 4: important economically from a commercial fishing perspective, which supports a

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Speaker 4: range of businesses, restaurants. It's part of our tourism experience.

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Speaker 4: When people come to the territory, they want to eat

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Speaker 4: wild caught barrow Mundy and king threadfinn. Let's not forget

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Speaker 4: but also it's really economically important for recreational fishing and tourism,

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Speaker 4: is culturally important, and it's a species that's so important

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Speaker 4: I think the common ground here is Barra Mundy is iconic.

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Speaker 4: We need to make sure we've got the right management

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Speaker 1: Has that become more difficult though, as some of those

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, there's uncertainty for all of us as to

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Speaker 4: Barra Mundy fishery going forward. These are issues that are

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Speaker 4: being worked through as we speak. But what we've got

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Speaker 4: in place for the twenty twenty four season is we're

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Speaker 4: recognizing key fishing areas. We've got limits in place to

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Speaker 4: make sure that the commercial that all of our fishing

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Speaker 4: actually it is commercial. Commercial fishing effort doesn't go under

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Speaker 4: a certain amount. Commercial operators need to make sure that

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Speaker 4: be profit. They tend to move on when the fishing

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Speaker 4: rates drop anyway, But there are high levels set for

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Speaker 4: to make sure we do have the best wreck fishing experience,

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Speaker 4: There's good days and there's bad days. But what we

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Speaker 4: Rainfall is so critical to that, and we've got to

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you run the risk though, if there

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Speaker 4: Well, we've all agreed we won't go under a certain level.

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Speaker 3: So we've got protections in place.

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Speaker 1: How many Northern Territory commercial fishing businesses do we have

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Speaker 4: I would love to have the exact stats to share

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Speaker 4: that it's something that the government's about to kick off

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Speaker 3: But what about the supply chain? What are the businesses, the.

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Speaker 4: Truck drivers, the restaurants, the fillaters, the processing, the value adding.

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Speaker 4: We don't have a clear picture on that, and that

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Speaker 4: We've got protections for twenty twenty four. Everyone needs to

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Speaker 4: Barrow Munday fishery is there for generations to come. We're

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Speaker 4: I'm paying for someone else's boat to go on it

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Speaker 4: if I can't afford my own. All of those things

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Speaker 1: And I suppose what I'm trying to get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of is do we have So you said fourteen?

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Speaker 1: Was it fourteen licenses?

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Speaker 2: Are that?

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Speaker 2: Fishing our water. So I suppose is what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 4: All those businesses are here locally. Maybe head office might

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Speaker 4: The hospitality, we just recently did a consumer survey and

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Speaker 4: we know that people want to see more antiseafood in

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Speaker 4: those people definitely are here. That product is coming here.

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Speaker 4: We've got recent investment in processing facilities here to value

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Speaker 4: and utilizing the bycatch species as well. So there's some

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Speaker 4: really terrific stuff going on, But at the heart of it,

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Speaker 4: we do not have a sustainability issue.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of fish.

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Speaker 4: The issue is how do we divide that fish amongst

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm certainly not an expert in this space, so

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking at this from a real outsider perspective.

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Speaker 1: But what I can see is that the concern seems

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Speaker 1: guided fishes have seed to many of those threatened and

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Speaker 1: should we be actually more looking at at whether we

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent? We should always be looking at the

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Speaker 4: best practice for the fishery. And there is work underway

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Speaker 4: and there's research that ced You are doing with industry

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Speaker 4: to reduce those interactions. But the gillnet's also very very

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Speaker 4: selective for barra mundy. There's beautiful science that shows for

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Speaker 4: So it is selective gear. But yes, we have interactions.

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Speaker 4: The industry is also collecting genetic examples and playing a

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Speaker 4: really important role to understanding for sawfish in particular, how

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Speaker 4: good work underway there. If we can catch the barramundy

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Speaker 4: an alternative way that is viable and sustainable for those businesses,

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Speaker 3: And that's a constant thing, Katherine.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that he's coming through on the

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Speaker 1: what I do, is that a number of those licenses,

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Speaker 4: Yes, they are. All their operations are here for Barrow Monday.

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Speaker 4: They've invested in processing facilities that all their staff are

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Speaker 4: So you know, we've got lots of licenses that might

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Speaker 1: I guess some people listening though, would be thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: we've got a way business coming and you know, fishing

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Speaker 2: But they're not actually local.

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Speaker 4: Well I'm not sure how they're reaping the benefits. They're

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Speaker 4: owns the license is that's an investor decision. But to

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Speaker 4: All of the jobs that come off of running a

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Speaker 2: Catherine, where to from here?

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Speaker 1: You know, there does seem to be like there seems

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Speaker 1: from what what I'm gathering, from what you are saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got, from your perspective, the right standards

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Speaker 2: So where to from here?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not just that we've got the right standards

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Speaker 4: the Barrel Mundy Management Advisory Committee, that governance structure, have

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Speaker 3: And we are still working on the long term plan.

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Speaker 4: So these are intram arrangements which all parties have agreed

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Speaker 4: to based on the evidence and the science that's available.

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Speaker 4: And now we've got to keep working through it. So

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Speaker 4: let's get back to the table and do the next steps.

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Speaker 4: The next steps are how do we slice up the

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Speaker 4: pie who gets what? These aren't discussions that we just decide,

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm more important than you and more valuable

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Speaker 4: than you, so therefore I shall get more. It's let's

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Speaker 4: put all the data on the table, figure out a

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Speaker 4: way how do we share this really important public resource

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Speaker 4: amongst all those different users in an equitable way.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're focused on. So we're keen to.

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Speaker 4: Get support fisheries to progress that work, support government to

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Speaker 4: progress with the job that we've all been working on,

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Speaker 4: and the other parties need to come to the table

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Speaker 4: and support that process too well.

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Speaker 1: Catherine Winchester, I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for joining us in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, thank you