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Speaker 2: How does it make it in WAP in this son,

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Speaker 3: of stick with me. I'll make you a star. Looking

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Speaker 3: at you know, the development of West Australia, Sam is

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Speaker 3: a you can forget New York, New York. It's just

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Speaker 1: It's a new hub, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It is the new hub. And you've been at the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty odd years, very very odd years, actually, when

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Speaker 1: I say it out loud, Yeah, And I've done everything

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Speaker 1: primary schools to His Majesty's theater, the Heath Ledger, film,

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Speaker 1: TV radio. I've done the full gamut, Yeah, full gamut.

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Speaker 1: Now I've actually my first ever professional gigs with Barking

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Speaker 1: director of Barking Gecko.

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Speaker 3: So it's wonderful man, Barking Gecko has been a stayer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Five years, yeah, thirty five years. And as I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you guys know, we just recently announced that we

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Speaker 1: have merged with Awesome Festival. So now Barking Gecko Arts

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Speaker 1: we are presents the Awesome International Children's Festival. So we're

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Speaker 1: even bigger, even stronger. This should allow us to reach

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Speaker 3: It's not an accident. Marking Gecko has survived because of

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Speaker 1: Graft, hard work, love of talent.

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Speaker 3: What does it answer the question what does it take

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Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, that's a great question. I think. No, I

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Speaker 1: there are so many facets to the industry. If we're

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Speaker 3: People talk about the it factor. No one knows what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not many you know that Heath Ledger magic. That's

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Speaker 1: Can see it sometimes with people that little twinkle in

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Speaker 1: It's very very it's really weird. And the industry, the

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Speaker 3: We've got the best training school in the Southern Hemisphere.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't go to Whopper. I taught it.

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Speaker 1: And so just there's this multitude of people who are

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the next one. And if somebody, God

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Speaker 1: problems can have happened. And where is it? Yeahway is it? Subway?

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Speaker 2: You can't correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: I sat at Kings Park and watched you in a

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Speaker 2: Shakespeare in the Park one night. Does that sound right?

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Speaker 2: Would you have done that in your career? I did

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Speaker 2: The reason so that night you're talking about getting the role,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely loved doing that, and that was one of

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Speaker 1: those training grounds that we've lost it a little bit

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Speaker 1: for the Shakespeare in the Park because what WA has

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Speaker 1: realized is that that Kings Park is such a beautiful place,

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Speaker 1: if Jack Johnson's coming to play, he's going to play

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Speaker 1: and he can play two nights and the King's Park

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Speaker 1: other ways. We've got lots of beautiful theaters. It was

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Speaker 1: all of that going on, I've said as it was

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Speaker 3: Well for anyone, doesn't matter how old they are, thinking,

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Speaker 3: I would like to take advantage of what's happening in

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Speaker 1: It's a really lucky rate question. Do you look?

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Speaker 3: Do you just google local theater?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean there are a few out there and

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Speaker 1: community like joam Is. They have their group of people

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Speaker 1: And you might go, I just want to be involved,

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Speaker 1: do is sell tickets. Great in front of house, get

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Speaker 1: that way. Or maybe you do want to be on stage. Great,

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Speaker 1: you get up there, you audition, You start with a

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Speaker 1: you know it, it goes on and on and on. Yes,

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Speaker 1: start there. Classes I think are really good thing for

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Speaker 1: people to do because you can try something out. If

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Speaker 1: you ever want to do stand up comedy, try stand

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Speaker 1: up comedy class. You may hate it, but you tried it,

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Speaker 1: you were brave enough. That's great. You know, if you

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Speaker 1: want to go painting, try watercolors for a little while.

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Speaker 1: You need a bit of creativity. Keeps the heart and

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Speaker 1: the soul and the mind active in a very different way. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who you're, where you are and where

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Speaker 1: theater and go along to your show.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you along to your show because start networking. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: if you love acting class with any murder monks. She

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Speaker 4: told me you'd be good for sci fi, Dean fi

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Speaker 4: sci fi. With your height and your voice, you'd be

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Speaker 4: good for sci fi. I mean, I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: disagree with any murder monks. She knows starting to make

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Speaker 1: You're in it. Absolutely. The gig is the freak.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, this is all good information and what's

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Speaker 3: coming up at the Barking Gecko Theater. But we can look.

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Speaker 1: Forward to Gecko Theater. We've got House, which is a

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Speaker 1: remount you may have seen House before. It's an incredibly

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Speaker 1: beautiful show where ringing out at the Octagon Theater at

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Speaker 3: Love anything talking about outdoor stuff. That of all stuff.

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Speaker 1: And the Octagon too. Yeah, it's beautiful. And then we've

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Speaker 1: got shows on next year which I'll let you know

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Speaker 1: next year. Keep in touch to long.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's fantastic, Thanks for coming in, No worry