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Speaker 1: The issues around crime have long been reported here on

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Speaker 1: three point sixty. On Friday, though, we finally got a

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Speaker 1: me in the studio is the Chief Minister, Natasha Files.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, the year on year stats are pretty

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Speaker 1: shocking when it comes to the crime numbers. I've just

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Speaker 1: obviously read those out throughout the opener. Are you as

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Speaker 1: upset about this situation as the rest of us?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Katie.

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Speaker 4: So these are as you've just outlined, these are the

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Speaker 4: August statistics, and of course I'm disappointed in them, and

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Speaker 4: that's why you've seen over the past few weeks we've

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Speaker 4: really stepped up measures and hopefully we'll start to see

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Speaker 4: an impact from those measures, and that they're varied and

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Speaker 4: we need tailored measures right across the territory to focus

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Speaker 4: on those statistics and the solutions we need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the biggest concerns seem to be I mean, in

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Speaker 1: some areas they've obviously gone down, like some of those

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Speaker 1: areas you know, commercial break ins in Darwin up seventy

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Speaker 1: six point five seven percent. I mean that's just one number.

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Speaker 4: So that's why you saw us recently announce that we

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Speaker 4: We've got small Business Champions. We know that business owners

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Speaker 3: They're struggling to get workers.

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Speaker 4: They don't need this on top of that, So get

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Speaker 4: in contact with his small business Champions. We can help

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Speaker 4: you do that security through environmental design. And that's also

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Speaker 4: that tresplus legislation that we've discussed that we are changing now.

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Speaker 1: I think you and I have had so many discussions

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Speaker 2: But can I ask, what are police telling.

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Speaker 1: You that the factors are with this spike that we're

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Speaker 4: So we're certainly seeing a displacement of people and that

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Speaker 4: assured that this as Chief Ministry is my absolute priority,

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Speaker 1: So with what Air at this point in time, because

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Speaker 4: Yes, so we have seen that information from police around

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Speaker 2: How do you reckon it's gotten to this point.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Katie, it's very allowed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very complex and it's not something that you

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Speaker 1: So do you have any idea how many people we've

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Speaker 1: Do you feel as though those measures are working? Based

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Speaker 4: We can never stop in this space and we need

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Speaker 1: Last week we did focus a lot actually on Ola Springs.

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Speaker 4: So assisting those young people and other people, it's not

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Speaker 1: So the mayor had been calling for Yurrara College. I

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Speaker 4: So we're working through a couple of options, Katie, and

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Speaker 1: If a child is out ten o'clock at night, to me,

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Speaker 1: Now it's not always straightforward Katie around that, but we

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Speaker 4: Katie, I can hear the calls from the community via

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I reckon that the big worry then from

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Speaker 1: And that's my focus to all right, So it sounds

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Speaker 3: That, all right.

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Speaker 1: So you've not actually ruled it out, no, Katie, all right,

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Speaker 4: And that's why, Katie, with coordinated our services, You've seen

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Speaker 3: And as I said, will continue to work in this space.

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Speaker 1: But you could literally have security on the ground like tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Why are we in a situation where the northern suburbs

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Speaker 4: So Katie, there is private security on the ground in

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move along. There's a lot to cover

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Speaker 1: And the Darwin Festival, well, last week Fossil Fuel Free

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Speaker 4: Int Katie, We all believe in climate change and we

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Speaker 4: but we cannot simply do that overnight. And as a government,

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Speaker 1: Well, not only disappointing, I reckon it's pretty disgusting, like

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Speaker 1: So do you think that the board of the daw

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Speaker 4: I do not have a problem with the Board of

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Speaker 4: I've watched them reinvent that festival to become a major

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Speaker 1: So should the festival cancel sponsorships with the likes of

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Speaker 4: I think that people calling for that need to look

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Speaker 2: Will the government step in here?

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Speaker 4: So we've been strong supporters of the festival, We've stepped

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Speaker 2: So if they end up.

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Speaker 1: In a situation where they have to basically, you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to, Katie, you know, preempt that question

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Speaker 1: So do you support the Dawin Festival in terms of

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, I think that it's understanding that those companies

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Speaker 1: So it sounds as though you support the festival having

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Speaker 4: Let's say, as a sponsor, Katie, I think that we

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Speaker 2: Now, let's move along.

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Speaker 1: Each quarter comm set attempts to find out how the

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, this is something I say every time the

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Speaker 3: But this report highlights what we've been.

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Speaker 4: Saying that the Northern Territory economy is strong we're at

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Speaker 1: So are you going to be starting to look at

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, I think that you know, when it compares

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Speaker 4: Well, I think in the next couple of years, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, just one last topic that I am keen

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Speaker 2: It's been awarded.

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Speaker 1: So CRES, in partnership with the age care sector, is

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Speaker 4: This is to grow the jobs that we know we

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Speaker 4: So this is where we're using NTG to drive that

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Speaker 4: So is that what it's all about this particular project

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Speaker 3: So I think this is a really exciting announcement this morning.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes what gets raised with us is that you have

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Speaker 4: So Katie, this is an example of identifying a need

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Speaker 3: That group who we believe have a lot of skills

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Speaker 4: But this is just one of the applications that we

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Speaker 2: Well, Chief Ministon attached to files. We better leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Take care