1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: I'm Lala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional oversharer. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: a bid to. 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello. 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: Rightoh, Today's guest, I'm going to say is the biggest 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: guest we've ever had on the pod. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: A bit of a lord, one might say. 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: I can say that because I'm very lucky to now 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: call him a very dear friend. It is the incredible, 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: very very talented, very very hard working Anthony Lapalia, who 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: is in Australia right now working on Death of a Salesman, 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: which will be on at Her Majesty's in Melbourne, kicking 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: off in September. So if you are an Anthony Lapali fan, 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: if you are an Arthur Miller fan, if you are 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: a Death of a Salesman fan, this is for you. 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: Now. 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: I have told you how La. 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: Is amazing, but it's also like kind of brutal, and 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: you face a lot of rejection and it's been a 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: huge learning curve for me, and I've been really lucky 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 2: because I've had Anthony in my corner being like, keep going, 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: you've got this, keep working hard. So we recorded this 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: episode about a year ago now, and in that time 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: I feel very lucky to call him a mate and 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: to have somebody just, you know, on those tough days, 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: to be like, come on, keep going, You've got this. 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: So I hope you find this episode really inspiring. He's 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: very honest, He's got absolutely no filter. So what you 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: hear in this case is what you like. Is what 34 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: you see is what you get. What you hear is 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: what you get. And he was so awesome that it 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: is a true party. So next Monday you'll get part 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: two of this. But yeah, I hope you love it. 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: He's an absolute legend. I nearly swore them, which I 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: know I can on this pod. But Anthony, thank you 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: so much for jumping on this Potter Rooney. It meant 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: the world to me then and it means even more 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: to me now, and I feel very lucky to call 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: you a very dear friend, So thank you so much. 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: And to Ossie's please get out there and support Death 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: of a Salesman. I can't wait to see it. It's 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: going to be incredible. Anthony is playing the iconic Willie Lowman, 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: and I just know it's going to be absolutely magical. 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: Go your good thing. 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: And that's to you, Anthony. If you hear this and 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: everybody else. 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: Listening, I hope this story inspires you because Anthony built 52 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: his career from literally nothing. It was through his own 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: grit and determination and unwillingness to give up. So the 54 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: any any actor out there, any creative, any artist, this 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: episode is absolutely for you, Anthony Lapalia. I'm very excited 56 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: to have you on the pod. 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: Thank you. 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: Do you know how many awards that you've won? 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: Mate? 60 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: Do you know I've made a list if you'd like 61 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: a refresher. 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I know, like the main ones and like, yeah, 63 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: a couple of em, a Tony Golden. 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Globe, a fish, a bunch of yeah. 65 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: And then there's a whole bunch of smaller like theater ones. 66 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: And I love it. But what like what a career too? 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: And this is what I'm so excited to unpack. 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: Adelaide boy, I thought you'd be like a pro soccer player. 69 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to be, goalkeeper. 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: And started playing soccer like at nine, right, super And 71 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: and then is it that you realized you were really 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: good in training, but then you get nervous for the matches. 73 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: That took a while for me to figure out. I 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: would train harder than anyone. The goalkeepers traditionally of the 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: laziest people on the team. So when we came into 76 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: summer camp summer training, I could outrun anybody on the team. 77 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: And it's not necessarily in your goalkeeper, come in, come 78 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: in last, doesn't it. But I would make it my 79 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: mission to train harder than anyone. And then when we 80 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: got to the goalkeeper training, I would train harder than anyone. 81 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: I'd put in time, I come in earlier to live 82 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: later and all that stuff. And what I realized that 83 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: politics doesn't care. 84 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a business, it's the politics didn't care. 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: And so that because I was so young that at 86 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: my confidence and I don't know, something just made me go, 87 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: this isn't going to go any further. I hadn't want it. 88 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: Tal coach Murrio Cordy is the Italian guy who, interesting enough, 89 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: was run out of Italy for taking bribes. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 90 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: weird interesting guys in that lady and he was. He 91 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: was a really accomplished player in Italy, but he had 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: been run out for taking bribes. Just a bit of 93 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: a group and but he was pretty good with me. 94 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: And he just said to me, you know, aunt, don 95 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: you one week good the next week. 96 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: That meme that goes, there's a there's a famous soccer coach, 97 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: and he goes, sometimes there good, sometimes it. 98 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, he would say to me, I remember in that 99 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: squad there was two other goalkeepers and like the third 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: I'm not going to mention his name because I want 101 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: to cause any trouble. But he was like, he was 102 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: really like terrible. He said that this week, I'm going 103 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: to replace you all with this guy. And I went, 104 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: what why place him with Eric? Eric's better? He goes, 105 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: I know he's a ship, but I know I can 106 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: expect the ships in a surprise for me. If he's shit, 107 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: I put you in. I don't know. I don't know. 108 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: I don't know, because you're trying to teach me, you know, 109 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: he's trying to teach me consistency. Yeah, and I had 110 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: the desire and the ability, I think, but that doesn't 111 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: matter if you don't have the mental aptitude that that's everything. 112 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: But This is where I like cut to you as 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: an actor, where I think you've fail, but you've built 114 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: this like not only incredible career, but this like I 115 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: feel like you've got that the mental like clarity there. 116 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, because the only person I can let down is me. 117 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, can we can? 118 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: We cut to Anthony hitting the streets in New York 119 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: for the first time in his Dunlop Volley's. 120 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: When When I first got to do When I first 121 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: got to When I first got to New York, it 122 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: was kind of a snap. 123 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: Decision because you hadn't made any acting. 124 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: But I did. I did audition though, like yeah, yeah, yeah, 125 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: yeah no. I was dating a girl who was studying 126 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: in the literuture to the university, and she said, well, 127 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: what do't you try out for night? And I was like, 128 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: what's that Roy? Yeah, I don't know. So I did 129 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: and that, you know, and then you have to do 130 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: like I don't know, you have to pick a piece, 131 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: you know, And and I actually got through the first 132 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: two carts, and then when I got to the next cart, 133 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: days said oh you we're not going to accept you, 134 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: but try again next year. And by then I met 135 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: people that had tried three. 136 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: Years in the yeah, I need a couple in a 137 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: row never got in. 138 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's already like I've read that story 139 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: and they said you have poor vocal quality. You something 140 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: else and something else, and I went, yeah, I know, 141 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: that's why I want to try it. That's why I 142 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 3: want to come here. If I and I said, if 143 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: I could do all that, I wouldn't need you because 144 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: I had big mouth. 145 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: Also, the look at your voice is one of your 146 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: most iconic No, that's. 147 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: The irony of it. I love that it didn't fit 148 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: their standard, you know far you know the stuff that 149 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: they like, what theatrical stuff, and that's not putting ship 150 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: on night actors and and there's actually not even putting 151 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: turned out remarkable actress. But I was pretty young and impatient, 152 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 3: and I just thought the logic was whether they were 153 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: trying to be nice or let me down easy. They 154 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: should have come up with better excuses because I wasn't 155 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: I had a big mouth. I wasn't afraid to like 156 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: if somebody said something was illogical to me, I would go, ah, 157 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: that's why I want to come here, because and if 158 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: I could do that, I wouldn't need you. You know, 159 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: I didn't need to add that, but I did. That 160 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: was the problem. 161 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: Did you audition for neighbors as well? The one you 162 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: didn't audition for neighbors fully went to Americana. 163 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 3: Well, no, I'll tell you after Nida, after the night audition, 164 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: I just thought it. By then, I wrought it, kind 165 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 3: of had this idea that I wanted to do it, 166 00:09:53,240 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: and within two months, no, sold my car, sold my stuff, 167 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: I bought a ticket to the United States and thought, 168 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: if I'm going to do it, fuck it, I'm going 169 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: to go. I'm going to go to where they really 170 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: do it, you know, And so I but you know, 171 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: it's you know, it's kind of that the humorous of youth, 172 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: not having a clue what I was walking into. And 173 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: so I went from an Australian somewhere into a New 174 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: York winter having never experienced anything like it. No, I 175 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: was wearing a pair of Dunlop volleys, nose socks, perr 176 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: of juice, a T shirt, and a paper thin leather jacket. 177 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: When you got to America, did your astract your Australian 178 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: accent kind of got in the way, right? 179 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I when I got well, 180 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: first of all, I mean, I mean there were a 181 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: lot of stages before I got anywhere near like the 182 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: acting department. And I got here, like the idea was, Okay, 183 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: I'll come and I'll find Then I realized I had 184 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: done no research, I acting school, whatever, just New York 185 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: somewhere I would find something. And I got to I 186 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: got to New York and I got out off the 187 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: plane and it was just like I'd never seen African 188 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: Americans before. I thought I'd gotten off of the wrong country. 189 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: Like I really was so naive. Anyway, So I got 190 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 3: into the city. I had not I didn't have a 191 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 3: place to go. But I got this cab driver and 192 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: I said, if you just come to the city for 193 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: the first time, where would you stay? Go? Because you 194 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: could you could stay at the MC. Yes, at that 195 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: point in time, you could say. So he took me down. 196 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: There was a YMCA down in Chelsea downtown and it 197 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: was pretty rough. Eight two Wight one ed two, New 198 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: York was pretty crime, you could say that. But I 199 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: loved it. Look it was like it was rough, but 200 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: it had like an energy like I've never experienced before. 201 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: You feel, to me, you feel more New York than La. 202 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, boy, I didn't know at that time. But yeah, 203 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 3: and so, but that's the thing. I got there, and 204 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: from the minute I from the minute I got out 205 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: of the cab, I just went, uh, this is okay. 206 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: Just all the other stuff that the baggage, the Australian baggage, 207 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: I call it, all that stuff where you're supposed to 208 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: know your place and this is where you are and 209 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: if you're Italian, this is what you're allowed to do, 210 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: and if this is what you're allowed to do. Back then, especially, 211 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: it was like that a lot. You were pigeonholed a lot, 212 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: not just in acting, in anything you know, there was 213 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: there was limited expectations for the children of immigrant. 214 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Parents and when you got to New York, New York was. 215 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: None of that. And also like Italians were like, hey, 216 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: come on in. It wasn't like fuck off your walk. 217 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: There wasn't there wasn't any of that stuff going on, 218 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: and so it felt quite liberating. But I remember going 219 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: into the wives, the and the walls didn't go all 220 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: the way to the ceiling basically, and so I heard 221 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: ship you never want to hear, you never want to hear. 222 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: And to be honest, the first couple of nights were, 223 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: like I said, I was, you know, or tough for 224 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: cool with it. But the first couple of nights, I 225 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: was like, I got to find a place to live 226 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 3: somewhere because this is not going to work for me. 227 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 3: So it didn't feel safe. 228 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, culture shark as well. 229 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: It was a big culture shark. And what I found 230 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: was that people were like amazing. They were so accepting 231 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: and so positive, super positive. See back then it was 232 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: super positive. 233 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: You can even feel that when you're here versus Australia nowadays. 234 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: And I didn't even say I've come here to be 235 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: an actor. I didn't because I don't know. I just 236 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: I wasn't one. I'd never done it. I would like 237 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: to at that point, I would like to try it, 238 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: And that was more in it. It was more I 239 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: want to try it and see if it's something I 240 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: want to do. It wasn't like I wish I could 241 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: say it was like a burning desire from the time 242 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: I was three years old. They came tap dancing out 243 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: of the world. It's just not true that. 244 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: Also might have been your superpower because you weren't holding 245 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: onto any kind of like extra To this. 246 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: Day, it's my superpower really, yeah, because I don't to 247 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: this day. It's if I meet for a job and 248 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: I don't get it, I don't on to. 249 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: The next like instantly I've heard you say it's all 250 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: about just once done, next one. 251 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: They made their mind up and it's got nothing to 252 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: do with you. Yes, it really hasn't. It really had 253 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: a certain point. I mean at the beginning it was 254 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: about how you auditioned. And then when I got to 255 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: the point where people were familiar enough with my work 256 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: that it was just a meeting, didn't have to audition, 257 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: which was a great day. That's a really great day 258 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: when that happens. But then it was just a meeting. 259 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: And what you find, what you come to understand is 260 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: that that meeting could be for a million different reasons. 261 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: They're already negotiating with somebody else, they don't know if 262 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: that's going to work out, so they're taking meetings for backups. 263 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, I'll tell you that. But you figure 264 00:15:59,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: it out. 265 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: You must have a pretty thick kind of like skin 266 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, something might come of this, something 267 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: might not. 268 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: I don't think it was first choice on anything ever 269 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: went up on. No, No, I don't. 270 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: Think so you've done like. 271 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: I think I was always second with her choice. Something fell. 272 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,479 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, you've done. 273 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: Such, not in theater, in theater of first choice. I can't. 274 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: I can't wait to. So hang on, you've trained with 275 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: some incredible people, haven't Stella. 276 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: I sat in on Stell. 277 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I ordered it. Yeah, she looks a bit scary. 278 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: Great, but okay, well this is what I'd ordered. A 279 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: couple of classes. And you know, you should speak ill 280 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: of the dead, but I'm going to. But I'm not 281 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: going to speak ill of her. It's just that at 282 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: this point in her life, she was like the you know, 283 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: the grand dam and you know she would start out 284 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: since it was my brother Lusa. You know, he invented 285 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: Da Da Da Da and did you know Golden Boy 286 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: for the first time on stage that you know, all 287 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, so to be always these grand soliloquies. 288 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: So what I realized is she had this huge jug 289 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: on the table, and initially you would think it was water, 290 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: but as the night went on, it got a bit 291 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: more aggressive and a bit more and a bit more slurry, 292 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 3: and I went, she's drinking either vodka, and oh my god, 293 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: you would get so mad. I watched I watched these 294 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 3: two kids put up put up a scene from Golden Boy. 295 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 3: There was a mistake on there was a mistake on 296 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: the airport, because my the louvera originated at that part. 297 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: So anyway, this poor guy was so nervous on stage 298 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: and he was moving around a lot on stage, and 299 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 3: she stopped it, and she just ripped the shreds off 300 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: this guy. She said, why are you walking like a ninni? 301 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: You're walking like a ninny. Now I want you to 302 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: walk across the stage, not like a ninni. And he 303 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: kept walking like a ninni because that's the way he walked, 304 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 3: so you know, he couldn't quite Yeah, And then the 305 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: more she said it, the more nervous he got. And 306 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 3: I just thought, I just thought, I feel like that's 307 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: a private conversation, and I felt like the class enjoyed 308 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: it too much. The class enjoyed the public crucifixion. And 309 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: so I kept looking and I tried a few places. 310 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Here and there, did try with Kim Stanley. 311 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 3: I ended up that's the word. That's why I weally 312 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: learned myself. I ended up with Kim Stanley and phenomenal. Yeah, 313 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: And I hadn't studied much with anybody else A little 314 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: bit at at the HB Studios. Yes, with uh, there's 315 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 3: a book. I have a book. I have a book 316 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: on that day christ never. I'll think of it a minute. 317 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: So I started there a little bit and that was 318 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: not a bad class. But then a friend of mine said, 319 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: are you should It's really hard to get into you 320 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 3: see if you can get into Kim's class. And so 321 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: I went and I met her and she said, well, 322 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: it was thank you, thank you, thank you. And she 323 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: was lovely, she would lovely, and I thought she's a 324 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: great book. Yeah, And I thought she was quite good. 325 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: And Kim was like your glumer, Well, you. 326 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: Know, there's a whole thing about you know, method acting. 327 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: And I actually went to the studio Actor studio a 328 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: few times and watch that and watch people pretend to be, 329 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: you know, be a helicopter or a peach falling out 330 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 3: of a tree or whatever you know, or whatever it was. 331 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: And and I met Kim and before anything, she said, well, 332 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: I only take twelve students, so for twelve weeks, So 333 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: before we start anything, I'm going to give you a 334 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 3: scenario and you're going to go outside and you're going 335 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: to come in and bring it in. Bring the whole 336 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: scenario in and I just my buck brain just went 337 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: and she said, now it's summer in real life, she said, 338 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: it's the middle of winter. You are your wife is 339 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: you're in Connecticut. Your wife's in New York and she's 340 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: about to have a baby, and you're stuck. Your car 341 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: breaks down and you finally make your way to this 342 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: train station, but the clock in the in the station 343 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: is broken, so you don't really know what time it is, 344 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: but you know you need this train to come so 345 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: you can get into the city. Okay, go outside and 346 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: bring that in. And I just went outside and I 347 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: sat in the hot sun and went, I have no 348 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 3: fucking clue, how fucking you do? What the fuck am 349 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: I doing? And anyway, so I kind of pulled it 350 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: together and went in there, and like, you know, the 351 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 3: part she liked, she said, The part I liked is 352 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: that you took your socks off and wrung them dry. Really, yeah, 353 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: she said, I think that was the thing that got 354 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: me in. Yeah, And so I just kind of, you know, 355 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: I calmed down and I went in and I went, 356 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: that wasn't hard to imatch. I've already been through a winter, 357 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: so you know, And it was more about like playing 358 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 3: those moments. Your wife's having a baby, you're on a 359 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: time clock, you don't know when the train's going, so 360 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: you have anxiety, you have expectations, you have all the stuff. Anyway, 361 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: So whatever the reason it took pretty me or whatever, 362 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: I think it was the ringing of the socks she 363 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 3: took me on. And for the first four weeks I 364 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: just sat there going, oh shit, I don't belong here. 365 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 3: I have no idea what she's talking about. I don't 366 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: know what she's talking about. I don't know what she's 367 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: talking about. And I do the exercises and stuff, and 368 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: you know, one of the first things she said to 369 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: me was, and she was great. She would never critique 370 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: you in front of the class. At the end of 371 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: the class, she would get you. She had a side 372 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: room and then she'd kind of go over your work 373 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: for that night. One a month and one of the 374 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: first things she said to me was, you have to 375 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: stop thinking about how well you think you're doing, because 376 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: you're not. In the moment. 377 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: Easier said than done. 378 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: Yes, but it made sense for whatever the reason, you know, 379 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: whatever the reason, like, after that kind of after that moment, 380 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 3: it all clicked. Really, yeah, I love that. It all 381 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: clicked that I was trying to perform to please her. 382 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: She said, you're not trying to please me. I need 383 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: you to just speak the truth at the moment, she said, 384 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 3: you know, And she said, I'm a method actor. But 385 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: method acting is not being an imaginary helicopter or any 386 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: of that stuff. It's just playing the absolute truth of 387 00:23:54,600 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: the moment and listening you down. Listening will not let 388 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 3: you down, And don't go to a place just because 389 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: it's a cue. Wait and find it before you respond. 390 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: You know the pace you'll get later, but you need 391 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: to emotionally connect to the words that you're saying. 392 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you're saying this because I have deep 393 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: dived so much of your work over the last week. 394 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: It has been a joy. 395 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, but as you never watching you, it never feels 396 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: like like I notice your breath, so like you're you. 397 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: You take the time that you feel the truth needs. 398 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: Really yeah, she said, you shouldn't speak a line unless 399 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: you absolutely feel it's truthful, you know, And if you 400 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: need to take the time on it, take the time. 401 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: She said. They're going to be instances where you need pace, 402 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: but you'll figure that out your your deduction process and 403 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 3: you're thinking, says, we'll speed up, and it will depend 404 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 3: largely than on the character. You know, sometimes the character 405 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: demands it. And and she said, sometimes don't overthink it. Louder, faster. 406 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: She would say, yeah, well, so this is what I 407 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 2: was so surprised to learn about you. You've got comedy chops, 408 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: my friend a little bit and Emmy winning comedy Chops. 409 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: Might I say it's funny because I started out more 410 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 3: in comedy. Yeah, I started out my first theater stuff. 411 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: It was comedy, and no one would take me. See 412 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 3: who is a dramatic actor? 413 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 2: Really, because now if we look, if we look now, 414 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: especially through the lens of Australian films. 415 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: So much more. Yeah, it's so dramatic, which is what 416 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: I wanted to be. Really, Yeah, I wanted to be 417 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: a dramatic actor. And but for some reason, you know, 418 00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: like there was some something just and and I'm I mean, 419 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: this is the most too swayt this something funny about me? 420 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 3: I don't It's just I'm like an off rhythm. Sometimes 421 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: it's not even intentional, it's just like I don't know 422 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 3: it works. Yeah, yeah, it's just I have a tendency 423 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: to starter sometimes and do a bit of the huge 424 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: grant you know. 425 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well that was my that was my 426 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: joy of deep diving because I obviously being an aus 427 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: like I've grown up with like looking for Ali Brandy's 428 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: and the Lantanas, which are incredible. And can I say, 429 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: watching nit. 430 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: Ram or whatever, it's oh my goodness. 431 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that holy smile. 432 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: That was you know what? And you know that is 433 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: doing it for thirty five years, no, maybe longer forty 434 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: yea almost. That's the first time ever that I did 435 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: not play a proactive character. And I found that the 436 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 3: hardest thing I've ever done. I know, it doesn't seem 437 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: like much, you know when you see it on screen, 438 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: it's it's just it's just small and simple. And but 439 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: I gravitate towards playing characters that proactive to push things along. 440 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 3: This guy gets pushed, he's reactive and gets you know, 441 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: he's not driving any scenes. He doesn't have that in him. 442 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: And I found that really difficult. 443 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: Can I say, though, that you nail to see you looking. 444 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 3: So vulnerable to really work? 445 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: I mean produced it too, right, But one of the 446 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: producers that score as well, like the music, that is. 447 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: It's fairly it's fairly spar Us. It's like the movie. 448 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: There's something about the silences in the movie that really 449 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: kind of it's powerful that movie, you know what, that's 450 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: the thing, like that movie. I've been involved in a 451 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 3: couple of movies like this where I hate the term 452 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: important movie. I don't, It just makes it sound so wanky. 453 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 3: But there are some movies that have real legitimate substance 454 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: and so you know, and I've done a couple of them, 455 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 3: mostly Australian things, which is a true story. Yeah, And 456 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: it just blows my mind that when you're trying to 457 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: do something that has some significance or some substance, you 458 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: getting no money to make them, like and it's surprising 459 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: how well they turn out despite being sandbagged. Like before 460 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: we started Nitron. The day before shooting, I think we 461 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: had over a million dollars pulled out of our budget. 462 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: Somebody back down. They got cold feet about it, and 463 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: I understand because it was a very delicate side. 464 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: Because people do not want us to make it. 465 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: We've got a lot of flak. 466 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: I actually saw an interview with some police officers from Tasmania. 467 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: They're like, we don't want it, we don't want it. 468 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: Aird here it's a few and I saw it in. 469 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: The flat because I think because I think people thought 470 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: we were going to make an exploitation movie where we 471 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: were going to we han't let the script out and 472 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 3: we were trying to go as far as we could 473 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: under the radar. But that didn't last long. And the 474 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: thing the movie was never about exploiting or glorifying guns, 475 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 3: or exploiting the tragic death and the deaths occur. No, 476 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: we were doing a psychological study on what happened, Why 477 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: did this kid get to this point? What were the 478 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: contributing factors that led up to the day. Yes, and 479 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: I think that that's I think that that's really a 480 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: legitimate thing to look at because by saying don't do 481 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 3: it or don't look at that, you're setting yourself up 482 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: for it to happen again, because you have to look 483 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: for the symptoms, not the end results. And by recognizing 484 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: the symptoms of how somebody got to this point and 485 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: everybody else. This is the thing with shooting. As you know, 486 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: since you're here now, you know, school shootings are an 487 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: everyday occurrence here and if they don't register over twelve, 488 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: they don't get any press, but they still happen, and 489 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: it's always the same fucking bullshit excuse, Oh he had 490 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: a mental illness, Oh he's unstable. You know what do background? 491 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: Some of them are not mentally unstable, some of them 492 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: or not. They have a belief system. They they're actually 493 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: quite normal. They've just got a belief system that doesn't 494 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: match ours. Well they have if they have psychological problems, 495 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: it's not presented in the right way. It's always presented 496 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 3: like the like they're like like they've been locked away 497 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: in a rubber box where where What it is is 498 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 3: that there's been a steady build up of you know, 499 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: you know what they say, there were signs. There were 500 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: signs all the way along, and the system ignores the signs. 501 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: Sometimes the parents. The thing I liked about Nigim is 502 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: that you could see the parents tried, they saw the 503 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: signs they recognize, especially Judy's character. She knew, she knew 504 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: she We took him to psychiatrists. We took it and 505 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: they were like, you know, well, I didn't take it seriously. 506 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: You know. And I think that there's been a I 507 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 3: think there's been a tendency to wait until after it's 508 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 3: happened to start examining what the problem was, and I 509 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: think you have to examine it. You have to if people, 510 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: if people are well trained and they pick up the 511 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: signs early. It doesn't mean you'll stop all of them, 512 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: but I think you cut out a good percentage of them. 513 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: And now we're talking about mental health issues and how 514 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it's like in Australia, but if 515 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: they shut down all the mental institutions, Reagan started that, 516 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: and so you know, you see all those harmless people 517 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 3: out there, they're not harmeless. They are used to be 518 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 3: in the mental institutions. They need care. They haven't nowhere 519 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: to go. 520 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 4: So you know, and you have this, you also have 521 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 4: like this whole generation of kids that are disenfranchised as well. 522 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 4: You know, their only communication is through playing you know, 523 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 4: Halo in a group chat situation. 524 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: But this is what is so great about NITROM is 525 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: that you're shining a light not just on gun laws 526 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: or gun violence, but also on mental health and the 527 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: possible prevention. 528 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the great thing about Australia is that 529 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 3: they may not have looked into the mental health issues, 530 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 3: but they definitely took control of the availability of guns 531 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 3: and got the muff the street. Yea, fully My argument here, 532 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: My argument is I'm not anti gun. 533 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: No, I know I've heard you talk. Actually we've spoken 534 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: about it. 535 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: I'm not anti gun. What I am is anti you know, 536 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: AK forty seven AK eighteen assault rifle. It's like, what, really, 537 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 3: you're that good huntsman? You need that gun? Shoot a 538 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 3: fucking deer. Yeah, argument, you. 539 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: Know, I'm fully with you. 540 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you're going to have a gun, what 541 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: is with it not wanting to have the correct checks. 542 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 3: You should have to go through A two or three. 543 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 3: If you want a driver's license. 544 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: You have to sit a test. 545 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: You have to you have to sit a test, and 546 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 3: you have to have you have to have a You 547 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 3: sit with a guy who watches you drive and says 548 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 3: you're going to kill people who may give you your license? Correct? 549 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: Or you're fine, you can drive? Yeah? Correct? 550 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: Correct? 551 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: What's the difference? 552 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm. 553 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 3: Just like zero excuse other than you've got the NRA 554 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 3: and it's in their best interest to keep gun sales 555 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 3: as high as possible and not restrict the kinds of guns. 556 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 3: And you know this whole Second Amendment thing, People need 557 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: to read the whole fucking thing, not just the first half. 558 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 3: The second half makes it very clear that this was 559 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 3: the sign for when they had a musket that had 560 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 3: a lead ball, not not you know, one hundred and 561 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: forty eight rounds per second. 562 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, much different, big time. 563 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 2: So but that's just that is one of so many 564 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 2: things that you film that actually like do touch on 565 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: a social image or like it's social sorry, like idea, 566 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 2: like even holding the man like, yeah, I went to Loretto. 567 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: So all my mates went to Xavier and they were 568 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: that book was of my ear, that was a bible 569 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: because I was in the theater club, right, So all 570 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: my gay guy friends were. 571 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: Like, you gotta read this book. You gotta read this book. 572 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: It became like this very kind of like write a 573 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 2: passage to read in high school. 574 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 3: Very brave of him to write it. 575 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 2: So brave, but beautiful move like heartbreakingly beautiful movie. 576 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,439 Speaker 3: New Armfield, and you know, beautiful movie just the way 577 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 3: he directed it and the tone. 578 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: Of And that's when I noticed your breath. 579 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: That was because like your character, you could tell you're 580 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: grappling with so much. And so that's when I was like, oh, 581 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 2: he uses breath to take time or find. 582 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: The truth that you were saying. I love Okay, there 583 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: are so many things. 584 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 3: Do you know? 585 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: Of everything I've watched, to be the only thing that 586 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 2: was the hard thing to watch was Annabelle. 587 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: Mate. 588 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 2: I would go to bed and I'd freak out that 589 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: a little letter is going to slide under my door. 590 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 3: Was like, you know what, I actually I loved doing 591 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: annabel but Animal, I'm gonna be honest. That was the 592 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 3: money movie, you know. 593 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: But the sets looking it looked like a fun set, 594 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: great task. 595 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 3: The set was fantastic. It was all built on this downstage. 596 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 3: And the director with some Swedish guy, I can't remember 597 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: his name, and I've never done that genre. 598 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: Before, but Bridget got you into it, right, your daughter, 599 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: your dad, It's. 600 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 3: Gonna be That's what happened because I said i'd even 601 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 3: heard of it, right, and I was sitting around. I 602 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: just got off with some some movie called annabel She's 603 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 3: like what sheout. She couldn't care less like no other movie. 604 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 3: I don't think she's watched anything. And she's always so 605 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: blase about anything that I do. And when I said Annabelle, 606 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 3: She's like, you have to do it, you have to 607 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 3: and I went, really, it's a big deal. She's like, 608 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 3: oh my friends watch it. So it was so scary, scary. 609 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: Out of everything. 610 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 3: I love the day. I loved I loved doing the 611 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 3: genre and uh, I don't know, I liked playing the 612 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 3: creepy guy. It was great. Kind of suits me. 613 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: Now can we well, can we speak about like, I know, 614 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: you play like cop a lot basically without a trade. 615 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I played cop lawyer, FBI. 616 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 2: Mafia, I love bad blood. 617 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 618 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: Oh your character and that takes no prisoners. 619 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 3: He's a real character. He was actually from Sicily, he 620 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 3: moved to Montreal. 621 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: And then he like was the king basically he was. 622 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 3: He ran all of Montreal and he was the funny 623 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I see. He was so under the 624 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 3: wire that there was almost no footage of him, but 625 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 3: they had a lot of recordings of him. The FBI 626 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 3: was at bugs Love the Place and just listening to 627 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 3: him talk. He was just a really funny, really yeah 628 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 3: kind of guy, you know, and yeah, you know, I 629 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 3: don't know, yeah, very and I found him quite charming 630 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: to listen to. 631 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: Your character was quite charming, even though you. 632 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 3: Were like no, but when he lost it, when he 633 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: lost his you know, like when he kills that guy 634 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: with the ASTRAI that really happened. No, no, oh, my 635 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 3: goods quite brutal. And but see, I also love that. 636 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: It's amazing how your career goes, you know, like the 637 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 3: first and in film, the first any attention I got, 638 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 3: and it was for Betsy's wedding, Yeah, where I played 639 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 3: like this young mobster. Yeah right, So of course then 640 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: I started getting all these mobster starf mobsters, and I 641 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 3: was fine with that because I was like, you know what, yes, 642 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 3: it's a mobster, but all mobsters are different, so you 643 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 3: can but. 644 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: Also so so fun from a dialect for spect oh yeah. 645 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 3: And also you know, making those guys, I always thought, 646 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 3: I want to make them. I want to make them likable. Yeah, 647 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 3: even if there are assholes, I want to make them 648 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 3: like it. 649 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 2: Do you know what I watched for the first time, 650 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 2: Twenty ninth Street. 651 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 3: Oh so fun. 652 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: It's fun. 653 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 3: That was that. I have to say, just from a shooting. 654 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 3: I'm not saying the movie the movie is very flawed, 655 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,439 Speaker 3: but from a fun perspective, it was the most fun. 656 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 3: Well that was my first lead in the studio movie. 657 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 3: And uh, I just and the director is a guy 658 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 3: named George Gallo who wrote me Tonight Run It, and 659 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 3: he he he cracked me up. He's this huge, like 660 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 3: six foot seven dude that used to deliver a pepsi 661 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 3: you drive a pepsi truck and when he writes screenplays 662 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 3: on the side. And then he solved me night Run 663 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 3: and then he got money to director on I Street. 664 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 3: And so we shot that all out back in North 665 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 3: Carolina when there was nothing there. 666 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: Was that because that looks very New Yorky to me. 667 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 3: No, every shot was North Carolina. 668 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 2: Didn't you shoot something recently? It might have been North 669 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: or South Carolina for Netflix? 670 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 3: Florida, Florida. 671 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: That's it, so again set in Florida. 672 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 3: In Florida, right, Well, well, you know, I guess Wilmington 673 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 3: just actually covers quite a few different what they what 674 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 3: they had there. They had a back lot, uh way 675 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 3: back when I did twenty nine Street, they had a 676 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 3: backlot that they built for something else. They chuck can 677 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 3: Kong there, Yeah, Jessica lank and right, and they had 678 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 3: a backlot there and I don't know how they pulled 679 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 3: it off, but they it did look like New York. 680 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: Well, you fooled me. I don't know if you remember this, 681 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: because I was chewing it, chewing. 682 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: I was saying that was the most like a fun set. 683 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just had such a blast on that. Yeah. 684 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, because I pick 685 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 2: your brains Nelly every time I see but. 686 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: Oh, I've just had a mental blank just as I 687 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: said that. Oh yeah, here, I've got it. 688 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 2: So obviously, like Without a Trace is like an iconic, 689 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: seven seven year running, incredible show, award winning. And you 690 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 2: were telling me you shadowed LAPD. 691 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was for that. 692 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 3: Show, it was for different shows something else. 693 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 2: Have you? 694 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 1: Is that sometimes part of your process where you shadow if. 695 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 3: I can, Yeah, I mean I trying to find out 696 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 3: as much as they can about the character and playing. Yeah, 697 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 3: and so I hang out with move guys for really. 698 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: Really sure, I like you so relaxed. 699 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 3: Oh sure, sure, it's quite nice most of them really 700 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you just don't get on their bad side. Yeah. 701 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 3: And they love movies, so and they all got a 702 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 3: I got a good looking cousin could act maybe in 703 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 3: your movie. 704 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah that really get said, Oh yeah, yeah. 705 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 3: And I forget what I was doing. I don't remember 706 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 3: what film it was. Anyway, I got to do along 707 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 3: for a week, was it? 708 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: He? 709 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, with the l a p D. And that was 710 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 3: but I also did it in Sydney for Lantana. There 711 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 3: were two detectives though they were characters. 712 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: Really, Oh my god, did you see something? Did you 713 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: get to see? 714 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 3: Like I got to see a lot I got to see. 715 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 3: Now I really like this. I'm not going to mention 716 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 3: their names because they've been since for transferred out to 717 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:33,280 Speaker 3: like the water Rats and ship like that. But they 718 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 3: were signed to me like they didn't want to do it, 719 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 3: got it and so but I've been through this before 720 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 3: with the L A p D. So the best thing 721 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 3: to do is you just sit in the. 722 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: Back and shut up and do you do. They eventually, like. 723 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 3: They started, they start to if you don't ask them 724 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,439 Speaker 3: a bunch of dumb questions and you just sit back 725 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,919 Speaker 3: and let them do their job kind of thing, they'll 726 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 3: start to ask you questions, and you could ask them 727 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 3: little questions. But I got to know these two Sydney 728 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 3: detectives Phillant Tyler, Oh my god, it was you know. 729 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 3: We they say, hey, you want to drive through the 730 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 3: city and like, you know, uh, you know, one hundred 731 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 3: and fifty kilometers an hour. I'm like, yeah, sure, and 732 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 3: they stick the light on top of it, and we 733 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 3: just go speeding through the city for no reason, just 734 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 3: I put the right. Yeah. So and then we go 735 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 3: to we go to like art, right, and I noticed. 736 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 3: I noticed, we got to like art and we'd have lunch. Yeah, 737 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 3: and we didn't pay, never paid like celebrities. These guys 738 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 3: just knew all the guys, you know, and the and 739 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 3: the restaurant owners and stuff. They knew them, and and 740 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,280 Speaker 3: you just didn't pay for anything, right, And then. 741 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: How interesting? 742 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 3: Yeah it was. And they said to me at one 743 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 3: point they said, oh yeah, yeah, give me a call. 744 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 3: They give me this other number, said, call us on 745 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,439 Speaker 3: those cell phone numbers you've got, because we think we're 746 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 3: being bugged. They knew that, they knew that they were 747 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 3: kind of under investigation. 748 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 2: That's a bit like your character in Phoenix. I watched 749 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 2: Phoenix this morning, actually I finished it. Yeah, that would 750 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 2: have been a lot of yeas, yes, right, beautiful life. 751 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 3: He was, you know what, he was a really yeah, 752 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 3: really great guy. 753 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: Alex is just telling me. Wasn't the director something at 754 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: your wedding. 755 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 3: Danny Callen? Yeah, he was my best man. Yeah, I 756 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,439 Speaker 3: love that. 757 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 2: I can't have you on this podcast though, without talking 758 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 2: about A View from the Bridge. Arthur Miller and the 759 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 2: one of the if not like, he's definitely one of 760 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,800 Speaker 2: the greatest. 761 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 3: Well you know, he actually said it. First of all, 762 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 3: I had the unbelievable gift of having Arthur in the 763 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 3: room during rehearsals almost every day, and so when I 764 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 3: would get to something in there. 765 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 2: You're playing and well, here's what happened. 766 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 3: I had my agent in New York was one of 767 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 3: the old school great agents, Sam Collin, and he represented Arthur. 768 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 3: And I had gone to Sam and said it was 769 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 3: about thirty eight and I said, I want to do 770 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 3: Few from the Bridge. I've been reading it for years 771 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 3: in an acting class and alta. And he went, you're 772 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 3: a bit young. He should be about, you know, late 773 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 3: forties fifty. Yeah, And he said, let me talk to Arthur. 774 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 3: And he came. He said, Arthur thinks you're too young too. 775 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 3: And I said, just let me do a reading, just 776 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 3: let me get everyone and just and Arthur came back 777 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 3: and said, yeah, right, do reading. And so I can't 778 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 3: even remember. I mean, I pulled in every favor like 779 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 3: chess commentary. 780 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,919 Speaker 1: People, Brittany, didn't you Brittany. 781 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 3: Wasn't she was not of that reading, not of that reading, 782 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 3: just all the actors I knew in New York. Really, 783 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 3: I think stand might have been there. I think just everybody. 784 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: He then directed you. Yeah, how fun. 785 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 3: We've been friends. Actually we met on a really not 786 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 3: great movie called Slaves of New York. It's probably my 787 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 3: first movie, maybe his second, and that was thirty years ago, 788 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 3: something like two years ago, and we've been friends ever since. 789 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: He's wonderful. 790 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 3: He's an amazing, amazing actor and amazing man. So so anyway, 791 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 3: so we do the reading, and my take on it was, 792 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 3: see Eddie has written is kind of like an older 793 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 3: has an older, more desperate thing and the sexual change 794 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 3: your component isn't really there. Yeah, it's just that's never 795 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 3: going to happen. And and I thought it would be 796 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 3: more interesting it was possibly there. Yeah, because he's younger, 797 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 3: and well it reached. 798 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many times you read a View 799 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: from the Bridge. You don't know, like. 800 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 3: The sexual compartments threatening yeah thirty eight. Yeah, so Arthur 801 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 3: and I didn't say that, but when after the reading, 802 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 3: Arthur went, that's interesting, it's you know, you're more sexually 803 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 3: threatening and yeah, and uh so, and I think Sam 804 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 3: had a lot to do it in my agent really yeah, 805 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 3: he was lost to the old school agent Sam Carr, 806 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 3: and he because he represented people. 807 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: Like yeah, can you believe you? 808 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 3: Like no, so so, But I mean it was amazing 809 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 3: to have him in the room. And I just remember stuff, 810 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 3: you know, like ask him. I'll be in the middle. 811 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,759 Speaker 3: I'd say, when you wrote this, what did you mean? 812 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 3: And it was like he would tell me, you know, 813 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I have a couple of great stories about him. 814 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 3: When as we were okay, so we were trying to 815 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 3: cast Catherine Yes, and director had somebody else in mind, 816 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 3: and he hadn't told me that he'd already a directed 817 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 3: before in some smaller production, and they had hurt this girl. 818 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 3: And she was fine, there was nothing wrong with her. 819 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 3: She was good. But then this girl came in. She 820 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 3: was eighteen, and she was a bit weird, and she 821 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 3: was there with her mother, and she gave this performance 822 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 3: that was like made the hair on the back of 823 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 3: your neck stand up. It was Brittany Murphy. And I 824 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 3: just went because I had say in the casting yeah, 825 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,360 Speaker 3: and I just said, that's her, that's her. And the 826 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 3: director went, she's never done a play before, you know, 827 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 3: she's it's gonna be so much work and blah blah 828 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 3: blah blah, and Arthur just sat there listening and I'm going, yeah, 829 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 3: and so I'll cope her, I'll work with her and 830 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,879 Speaker 3: get her through it and whatever. She's just got that 831 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 3: thing you need. And at the end of it, you know, 832 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 3: the director looked at Arthur and said, what do you think, Arthur, 833 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 3: and he said, you're a director. Director. He was like that. 834 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 3: And then another time we were we had all these like, 835 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 3: you know, you know, these period magazines, and there was 836 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 3: this one magazine in there that had an article about 837 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,839 Speaker 3: Marylyn Joe Dimagio in there, and we always tried to 838 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 3: like kind of get rid of that one, hide it. 839 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 3: And one day we've forgotten. So Arthur came in and 840 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 3: he was sitting at the table and he he picks 841 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 3: up that magazine and. 842 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: Everybody's like, but you can'tnot look right like. 843 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 3: Watching him, and he's just sitting there, like because he's 844 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 3: very he was very tall, yeah, and at this point 845 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 3: he was like like seventies. Yeah, but I'm telling you, 846 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 3: he's one of those guys who walked into a room. 847 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 3: He just he had a magnetism that you find rarely 848 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 3: in people, and I would see these twenty eight year 849 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 3: old girls be like, oh, you know, I still had 850 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:33,240 Speaker 3: that going on, you know. Yeah. And so he's sitting 851 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 3: there and he's got his legs crossed and he's just 852 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 3: you know something, and he gets to that one article 853 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 3: and everybody's like oh. And then he picks his finger, 854 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 3: turns the page over and he says, well, you learned 855 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 3: something new every day, and then he keeps going yeah, 856 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,840 Speaker 3: you know, but he was. He was so But you 857 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,880 Speaker 3: know what. The other person in that product that really 858 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,360 Speaker 3: made me better than than I was was Alison Johnny. 859 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she played me. And Alison Johnny absolutely pushed. 860 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: Me to that incredible actor. 861 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 3: Push me harder than might ever been pushed. She used 862 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 3: to sit she'd get there early and she'd get her 863 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 3: costume and stuff, and she would just sit in the 864 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 3: green room and she would just be knitting really and 865 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 3: I'd walk in and she just look up at me 866 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 3: like that, better bring your game. Fuck her And. 867 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:39,840 Speaker 1: What a beast. 868 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 3: I love her. 869 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day long. 870 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,840 Speaker 2: I cannot thank you and absolutely, honestly you've absolutely made 871 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 2: my day doing this and you have inspired me a 872 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 2: lot as well. 873 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: And you always give me a little bit of hope 874 00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 1: when I see you. 875 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,280 Speaker 3: I want you to do I want you to do well. 876 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 3: I want you to do well well. 877 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you for sharing your Sunday avo 878 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 1: with me. 879 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,800 Speaker 3: My pleasure, It really is my pleasure. 880 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. 881 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. 882 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 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