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Speaker 1: This is ninety six FM with players and Lisa. The

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Speaker 1: one and only David Gray is coming back to Perth.

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Speaker 1: It's been way too long. He'll be at the Freemantle

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Speaker 1: Arts Center on Saturday November twelve, and we will now

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Speaker 1: announced this morning a second show is happening on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: November thirteen, tickets through oz Tik's the twentieth anniversary of

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Speaker 1: White Ladder, which is extending a little bit. The man

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Speaker 1: who every time he writes is like a songwriting masterclass.

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Speaker 1: David Greg Good morning mate, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: It's wonderful to talk to you, David. I've seen you

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Speaker 1: live a couple of times when you've been to Perth.

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Speaker 1: But this anniversary of White Ladder, how bizarre was that

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Speaker 1: to go back that twenty odd years when you started

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Speaker 1: this tour.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I think because of it, it's

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Speaker 3: a bit more than twenty years now because of the

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Speaker 3: COVID delays and we were probably stretching it a bit anyway,

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Speaker 3: so it's getting close to twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five years to be honest. But it's been an.

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Speaker 3: Amazing feeling to get out on stage again after all

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Speaker 3: the time being away, and I think that when this

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Speaker 3: tour was first concocted as an idea, I was a

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Speaker 3: little bit ambivalent about sort of recreating.

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Speaker 2: The past in this way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But actually, since we got down to the business

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Speaker 3: of making the music and shaping it exactly as it

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Speaker 3: sounds on the record, to getting all the samples and

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Speaker 3: all the equipment back and all the original people, it's

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Speaker 3: been such a pleasure. It really is like time travel.

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Speaker 3: When you lock into the sounds and the song, it's

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Speaker 3: like it is like going back and I'm sort of

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Speaker 3: back in my spare room actually recording it.

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Speaker 2: I have these mad sort of but yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that over the last twenty odd years,

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Speaker 3: the records attached itselves to people's lives in all kinds

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Speaker 3: of crazy ways. And when you go out and you

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Speaker 3: tap into that. Now, with this kind of pent up

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Speaker 3: It's the gigs have been incredible. They've just been on

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Speaker 3: a different level. I mean, the audiences have been just superb.

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Speaker 3: It's been breathtaking. I mean quite literally sort of jaw

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Speaker 3: and the whole thing becomes like a sort of it

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Speaker 3: just you know, light blue touch paper and watched the

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Speaker 3: Every show has been phenomenal so far.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a wonderful feeling.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back there twenty more or twenty two years

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Speaker 1: now to the recording of this album. So this was

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Speaker 1: album four, but this was this was in your bedroom

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Speaker 3: that's how we made the record. Yeah, with the windows

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Speaker 3: open once it was a beautiful spring day, and that

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Speaker 3: was the classic Babylon recording. Yeah, you can listen closely,

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Speaker 1: It was Beblon and Beblon became such a famous song,

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Speaker 3: I think the recording was very instant, but the writing

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Speaker 3: We you know, I wrote the lyrics, and the way

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Speaker 3: sounds like acoustic music but something different. Yeah, So it

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Speaker 3: I remember singing the song that night with the windows open,

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Speaker 1: So you go from that rudimentary setup at home with

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Speaker 1: White Ladder and winning end up seven plus million or something,

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Speaker 1: How was that for you psychologically and as an artist?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was all a bit odd, you know.

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Speaker 1: Almost what an amazing, surreal kind of time for you.

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Speaker 1: But now I've got to tell you my wife is

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Speaker 3: that's my that's my speciality, although I've long since lost

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Speaker 2: I sort of just jazz.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like at any given time, your store room is

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Speaker 1: like mine. It's full of jars. But that's part of

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Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, but I just need to know. We

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Speaker 1: ask all of the musicians to come on our show.

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Speaker 1: What was the last band or artist T shirt you wore?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, it's it's been a while. I don't own many,

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Speaker 4: Thanks man, take care, Cheers,