1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, TikToker, Indy 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Clinton sparks Petry Homing Debate, Lily Brown moves into Jack 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Kenny's father's mansion, Jade Tunsci's not So Steamy Wedding Night, 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Sarah's Days, Prata Sunny Saga continues, and the Rugby Laingerie 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: debate empowering all sexist but first. Australian fashion brand Witchery 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: has come under fire for its controversial rebrand. Customers took 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: to social media in their droves disappointed by the brand's 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: decision to ditch its size twenty option. 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Many also labeled the new range as underwhelming and boring. 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: This has been such a bad look for Witchery. 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a great rap and it's been all 14 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: over my for you page And I don't think I 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: have ever seen such backlash hurled at such a beloved 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Australian fans brand before. Yeah, and I'm sure Witchery's new 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: head of design, Kirby Hannahan, has been feeling the heat 18 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: because she has been brought in by the brand to 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: shake things up, and she certainly has done that. So 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: she used to work at Country Road as the women's 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: wear and accessories designer, and she's been hailed as the 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 1: person behind this rebrand. 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: Now. 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: The rebrand was entitled Bold Awakening, and it was clear 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: it was a big attempt for Witchery to distance itself 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: from its old branding. Yeah, and as part of the strategy, 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: the marketing team ended up wiping all of Witchery's old 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: content from TikTok and also Instagram. And it is a 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: clear statement to say, forget what you know about Witchery. 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: This is our new brand. This is a whole new 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: era for Witchery. Now. 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: You touched on their strategic marketing plan. 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: Part of this was to drip feed customers and new 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: taste of what this new look was going to be, 35 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 1: and it seemed to be an attempt to build hype 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: and anticipation, but it didn't do any of these things. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: All that seemed to build was anger. 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's because loyal customers didn't recognize themselves in 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: this campaign at all, and they began calling out Witchery 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: for its lack of diversity in not only sizing, but 41 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: also in age, and when it came time for Witchery 42 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: to officially reveal its rebrand, customers were furious when they 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: discovered that the brand had ditched its size twenty option, 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: and on top of that, there were also no diverse 45 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: body shapes used in its fresh marketing campaign. All we 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: saw was one very thin woman in fact in crop 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: tops or in short skirts, and a lot of people 48 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: online were saying that this rebrand almost looked like Kokai 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: two point zero, because that brand is infamous for only 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: stocking very small sizes and for glamorizing very thin women. 51 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 52 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: Well, one angry customer wrote, it's a clear picture of 53 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: who Witchery wants to see wearing their products, and it's 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: nobody over the age of twenty five or larger than 55 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: a size eight. So disappointing not to see diverse representation now. 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: A day after this backlash, suddenly new photos emerged on 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Witchery's website and also their Instagram account, showing a plus 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: sized model wearing several of the new designs. Yeah. I 59 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: had to look at the photos and I was trying 60 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: to compare them to the original photo shoot, and I 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: was like, this doesn't look like it's filmed on the 62 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: same day. I could be wrong, but I don't understand 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you roll those photos out originally? Because there 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: was already backlash mounting when they were doing the teaser photos. 65 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. 66 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: They were drip feeding this rebrand for a week, and 67 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: the first photo they shared, everyone was like, this doesn't 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: look like Witchery to me. Where is the inclusivity? So 69 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: they already had that precursor that Fuck, people aren't going 70 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: to be happy if all we're going to see is 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: size six models. I do commend them for acting quickly 72 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: and trying to add some inclusivity, but it just feels 73 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: all a bit tokenistic. 74 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: Now. 75 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't know why they dropped the ball 76 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: so badly in the first place, because they're talking about 77 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: this new era for twenty twenty four, and surely part 78 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: of this new era isn't going back to this super 79 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: skinny look that was popular in the nineties and early 80 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: two thousands. 81 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 82 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: Well, it's clear Witchery's PR team have been working in 83 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: overdrive because it responded to the backlash on the launch 84 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: day by updating its original Instagram post. So the post 85 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: read We've done a lot of work to improve our 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: sizes and fits, ensuring they are more true to size 87 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: and consistent across our collections. From size ten and up. 88 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Our sizing has become more generous. So if you were 89 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: a size twenty with Witchery before, we welcome you to 90 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: try a size eighteen instead. Now, this didn't sit well 91 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: with customers. They said they felt like the brand was 92 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: trying to gaslight them, and I can see why. 93 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: This is just wild to me. 94 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: This is a terrible response from them because in the past, 95 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Witchery has already been criticized for having inconsistent sizing, so 96 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: women don't know what size they actually are or what 97 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: size they should buy online when they go into Witchery, 98 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: and they're just trying to cover their ass by basically saying, oh, 99 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: we really do offer a side twenty, but we call 100 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: it a size eighteen. 101 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: But it seems like. 102 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: They're backtracking and being like, well, no, no, we actually 103 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: do offer a size. 104 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: Twenty, but we just call it an eighteen. 105 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, it's sort of this gas lighting, being like, well, 106 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: don't you want to be known as a size smaller? 107 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: Like it's sort of well, what more disturbs me? 108 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: About it is the fact that they're telling their loyal 109 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: customers go into the store if you are a size twenty, 110 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: just try it on see if it fits. I mean 111 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: that would be quite daunting to not know if you're 112 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: actually going to fit in the size, especially now they've 113 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: done this whole rebrand that's targeted at twenty five year 114 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: old stick figures. Why would you feel welcome to go 115 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: in there because you've already had it reiterated to you 116 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: on their Instagram account that you're not welcome. This is 117 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: the type of people that we would prefer to offer 118 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: our clothing too. Now, this story was widely covered in 119 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: the mainstream media and also it went viral on social media, 120 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: which did push for Witchery to come out and explain 121 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: why they cut the size twenty, And they put out 122 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: this lengthy statement and claimed that it was due to 123 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: the bottom line. So they said that while inclusivity is 124 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: very important to the brand, it size twenty accounts for 125 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: a small percentage of sales. I just think it's not 126 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: good enough to say that it's too expensive for a 127 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: brand to be inclusive. Surely there are other areas of 128 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: your budget which you could cut instead. Well, I think 129 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: they'll be highly regretting their move. It's obviously done a 130 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: lot of damage to their branding. I also think like 131 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: we're not talking about some small influencer brand that genuinely 132 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: might not be able to afford to actually increase their sizing. 133 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about a huge brand. Witchery is owned by 134 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: the Country Road Group. This isn't some small little boutique shop. Yeah. 135 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: And another issue has been Witchery's new direction when it 136 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: comes to its target demographic. So it's clear that they 137 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: are going for a younger demographic. The marketing line is 138 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: that they want to target women who feel forever thirty now. 139 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: Historically they have catered for thirty to fifty year olds. 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: When I think of Witchery, I do think of more 141 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: mature work, where I did see a couple of styles 142 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: on TikTok saying that when they are working with mature women, 143 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: they do off for Witchery like they never take their 144 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: younger customers there. I kind of think of it as 145 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: a place where I would go into Witchery with my 146 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: mum and we'd both be able to find something we liked. 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: So if you look at the new collection, it's very 148 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: different to what we've seen before, So they've got new 149 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: bubble skirts, crop tops, low rise pants, and double denim. 150 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: I don't think. 151 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: If you're in your fifties, you're going to be wanting 152 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: to wear some of this stuff to work. I actually 153 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: don't think this rebrand is as bold as they were hoping, 154 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: because the whole line is about this bold and wakening 155 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: from the clothes. 156 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: But when you look at them, a lot of the. 157 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: Clothes are your sort of staple pieces, Like they've got 158 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: black crop tops, black jackets. 159 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: Like it's not really that bold, but that's what they're 160 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: going for. 161 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: So the head of the new head of design said 162 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: that everything has been designed with the ability to mix 163 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: a match together to make a capsule wardrobe. I think 164 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: that this is something that a lot of brands are 165 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: already doing. They're focusing on capsule wardrobes. We're not seeing 166 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: statement pieces any more, and that's due to the cost 167 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: of living because people don't have the money to waste 168 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: on a statement piece that they're only going to wear once. 169 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: They want pieces that you can wear constantly. 170 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think people are needing to justify their purposes. 171 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: So if you're going to the shops and you see 172 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: this brightly colored top or something that really stands out. 173 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: You're hardly going to go, yeah, I'm going to spend 174 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars on this, and I'm going to wear 175 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: it and wear it to wear it because people will 176 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: notice it. And even if you look at brands like 177 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: pe Nation, they were very much known for their bold 178 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: and bright colors, but they unveiled this new look at 179 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: fashion Week and they've gone very toned back. So it 180 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: is a big shift that we're seeing, and as you said, 181 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: it seems to be due to the economic downturn. I 182 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: really think Witchery was hoping to get a similar reaction 183 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: to the reaction that Dish got in twenty twenty for 184 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: their rebrand. So if you remember, Dish used to sell 185 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: a lot of statement pieces, and I used to think 186 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: of them as being more of a fast fashion brand 187 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: that vibe, but they switch to sell more staple items 188 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: should be a basics, and now they're very popular and 189 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: they charge a lot for their pieces. 190 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: Well, last year. 191 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: They reportedly made sixty two million dollars in profit and 192 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: this year they're expected to make ninety eight million in profit. 193 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: So I think the Witchery team did have a look 194 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: at the way Dish has rebrand itself and thought, oh, 195 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: I might like a slice of that. I find it 196 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: interesting that Witchery are trying to market towards women in 197 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: their twenties and thirties, but they haven't adjusted their pricing 198 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: for women in those age categories to be able to afford. 199 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Because I had a look online they're charging three hundred 200 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: ninety nine dollars for a blazer. Yeah, and let's remember 201 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: they've pissed off their most loyal customers who actually have died, yeah, 202 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: disposable cash on them, So they're going to really have 203 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: to work hard on marketing these new pieces to the 204 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: twenty five year olds out there. 205 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: Could this be a stroke of genius though? 206 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: Because I haven't had anyone talking about Witchery for quite 207 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: some time. Now, they're now all over my TikTok page, 208 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: They're all over the media, and whilst it is for 209 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: now in a negative light, I went and jumped on 210 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: their website and thought, oh something, these staples are actually 211 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: quite nice. 212 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually quite like them as well. 213 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: Maybe that's an unpopular opinion, but if they are trying 214 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: to appeal to the gen Z market, I don't know 215 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: how successful they will be because gen zs are very woke, 216 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: They're very conscious about what's happening in the world, and 217 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: I think they want to support brands that are offering diversity, 218 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: and that's not what Witchery has portrayed itself to do. 219 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: So I don't know. And are we going to really 220 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: see gen ZEDs spending two hundred and fifty dollars in 221 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: a pair of pants. 222 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: Well, we've got to remember, even though they fit into 223 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: the gen Z category, they're really sillennials. They're on the 224 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: cusp of being millennials, and this brand is saying that 225 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: they want to target women who are forever thirty. So 226 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: I think that they are still thinking, okay, women in 227 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: their thirties is probably the time of their lives where 228 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: they are spending money of themselves. They do have a 229 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: bit of a disposable income. It will be very interesting 230 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: to see where they go from here. 231 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: Are we going to see. 232 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: More photo shoots with people who are diverse not only 233 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: in body type but also age, because I think that 234 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,359 Speaker 1: that's what their customers really want to see. 235 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: I see a little nose under the bead. 236 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: Puppy TikToker Indy Clinton has caused confusion after revealing her 237 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: husband Ben gifted her a Golden Retriever puppy for her birthday. Now, 238 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: this comes just weeks after Indy told followers she was 239 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: considering re homing her five year old Kelpie Billy after 240 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: he nipped at her son Sopby. 241 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: Can you bring us up to speed? Yeah? 242 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: So in mid June, India explained that she had a 243 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: hypothetical predicament, so she did reiterate this is hypothetical. So, 244 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: speaking on her Instagram story, she asked her followers what 245 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: they would do if they had a dog that didn't 246 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: really like kids except for their own, and that dog 247 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: in question had bitten a handful of kids but hadn't 248 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: drawn blood. She continued, saying, what if you always trusted 249 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: this dog one hundred and ten percent around your kids, 250 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: but one night things changed. Here's what else she said. 251 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: And then one night the dog was inside, it's cold, 252 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: your child pass the dog, any child should be able 253 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: to put a family dog, and the dog reacts and 254 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: nipped him. So in my head, right hypothetically speaking, I 255 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: would only allow that once. I mean, if it ever happened, 256 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: it's once the dog's gone, Like you can go get rehomed. 257 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: You can go to another family that doesn't have kids. 258 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: But when push comes to shove, that's quite a hard 259 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: decision to make. So has anyone been in this position 260 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: not saying it's me? What would you do with your dog? 261 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: Would you never give it another chance? Would you separate 262 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: it for good and it has no quality of life? 263 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: Would you chain it up downstairs? Now? 264 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: Late last week, Indie jumped on her TikTok Live to 265 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: confirm what we all knew that she was talking about 266 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: her Billy. So she explained she was set to rehome 267 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Billy but got cold feet. She said she found him 268 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: a new home on a farm with another Kelpie, but 269 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: when it came to the crunch, she couldn't go ahead 270 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: with it. Instead, she decided the best decision was to 271 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: get a second dog, with a theory being that it 272 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: will be a friend for Billy. 273 00:12:58,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: And calm him down. 274 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: Now. It was Indy's birthday on Friday, and her husband 275 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: Ben surprised her with a soft toy lion in a 276 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: tub with a card saying a Golden Retriever puppy is. 277 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: On its way. 278 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if he couldn't find a Golden Retriever toy 279 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: because I was thrown by this line. Yeah, ike, you 280 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: to get those Cuban Retriever puppy toys now. Indy explained 281 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: that she originally wanted to go to Hawaii for her birthday, 282 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: but she had an inkling that Ben might be getting 283 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: her a dog, so she didn't want to be overseas 284 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: in case the dog arrived. So it's very clear that 285 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: they have had a discussion about getting a second dog. 286 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: This wasn't just a surprise that was sprung on her 287 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: by Ben. Indy shared a photo of her present on Instagram, 288 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: writing I got a puppy, a Golden Retriever. She quickly 289 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: followed up with a photo of her Kelpie and wrote 290 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: still got Billy wink, just adding to the fun and 291 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: giving him another bestie I don't have to be pregnant 292 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: with now I'm guessing. Once she posted a photo of 293 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: the present, people asked a lot of questions about, oh, 294 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: did you reh home Billy and replace him with a 295 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: puppy because that's. 296 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: What it seemed like. 297 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was giving similar vibes to perth Influenzer Kyrie Harvey. 298 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: She copped a lot of backlash when she rehomed her 299 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: family dog Socks and that was a different situation because 300 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: it was due to her not being able to manage 301 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: the breed, so her dog was very large and he 302 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: kept escaping from her backyard. 303 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: It wasn't down to him being aggressive with kids. 304 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: I do think that Indy wanted to make it very 305 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: clear to her followers though, that she wasn't replacing Billy. However, 306 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: I think that this situation is worse and comes with 307 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: more judgment because it doesn't sound like any of Billy's 308 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: aggression has been addressed and this just seems like a 309 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: band aid's situation. Yeah, but in saying that she may 310 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: have got the dog trainer in again, we don't know. 311 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: She's reiterated that the dog trainer said that there's nothing 312 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: that you can do, but she might have him outside 313 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: at all times around her kids. We don't know what 314 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the actual issue is. I think the reality is she 315 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have shared it online because she is going 316 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: to be absolutely copying it in her message. 317 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: I actually don't think she is, though. 318 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: I think that Indy is a very popular creator and 319 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: people want to see the best in her, and I 320 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: just fear for her though, because as you know, we 321 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: are aunties to two Golden Retrievers. Kate has two massive 322 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: Golden Retrievers at home and they are a huge commitment. 323 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think Kate also. 324 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean they had one Golden Retriever and then they 325 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: got Sonny as a puppy, and I think they kind 326 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: of brought her as a friend for Shadow and thought 327 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: maybe it would calm him down as well. 328 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: It doesn't. Getting a second. 329 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: Dog is never is never a resolution, not the issue, 330 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: and particularly not a resolution when a dog has been 331 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: aggressive around children. And I think the worrying thing is 332 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: that because she's publicly spoken about it now, there's going 333 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: to be a lot of judgment if something does happen 334 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: with her children, which God forbid does not happen. My 335 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: other fear is adding a new dog into the mix 336 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: potentially is going to stress Billy out even further and 337 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: lead to more aggressive behavior because a lot of dogs 338 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: don't like chain So having this new puppy that's going 339 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: to be getting more attention than him in already what 340 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: seems like a chaotic situation just doesn't make any sense 341 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: to me. Family checked, dadsy, I'm here, babies here checked? 342 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: What showed them? Your hat? 343 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: Oh cheery boy, guys, says your Dad. Chaddy Tunci and 344 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: her husband Lucky Bricky have revealed on their podcast the 345 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: things weren't exactly hot and heavy on their wedding night. 346 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: The couple said, Whilst it's a nice idea in theory, 347 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: the emotion of the day and the hectic lead up 348 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: zapsu of any energy. 349 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: I think I slept the night before. Then we had 350 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: this whirlwind of a day. 351 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: It was amazing, it was beautiful, and then I think 352 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: we got back into our room at maybe like midnight. 353 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: Then you've got a shower because you're feelthy. 354 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: And then you want to debrief. Oh, then you want 355 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: to chat, and then you realize you've had been up 356 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: for thirty six hours. You're probably still hungry actually, because 357 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: you've you realize you haven't eaten anything at your own wedding. 358 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: Yes, so let me just tell you you hear it here. First, 359 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: Jad and I did not consummate the marriage on our 360 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: wedding night. 361 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Lucky You went on to say that they spoke about 362 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: it the next day and were worried it was weird 363 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: that they didn't consummate the marriage, but they said, well, 364 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: we're going to be able to sleep together. 365 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: For the rest of our lives, so it's not bad 366 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: that we've missed out on one night. I don't think 367 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: this is weird. 368 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: I think this is probably the reality for a lot 369 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: of couples on their wedding nights. People forget, you've probably 370 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: been up for like over twenty four hours. 371 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: You do not sleep before. I mean sometimes you're sharing 372 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: houses with relatives as well. So I don't know, I 373 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: don't seem to think that this is weird of them. 374 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: Well, Jade predicted that only five percent of couples are 375 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: consummating their marriage on their wedding night, with probably more 376 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: people stopping by macas. 377 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: On the way home. 378 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting one because I think that there's 379 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: so much pressure for couples that they must do it 380 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: on the wedding night. But I think it's kind of 381 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: irrelevant now that people aren't waiting for sex after there's 382 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: some kind of superstition or old wives tale around not 383 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: consummating a marriage. 384 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: Is that considered bad luck? 385 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: Look, there are a lot of superstitions when it comes 386 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: to weddings, but I haven't heard of that one. I 387 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: just think that couples don't hold as much value on 388 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: it anymore because in the past, your wedding night was 389 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: the first time you were ever gonna have sex with 390 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: your partner, like it was built up to be a 391 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: bigger thing. I have actually been to a wedding where 392 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: two it was the first time this couple was having sex, 393 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: and oh my god, the wedding finished so early, and 394 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for the couple because everyone's like 395 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: winking at. 396 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 2: Them and nudging them. 397 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: And I mean, imagine the performance anxiety, because when you've 398 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: had a massive daylight this, you've been up for twenty 399 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: four hours, you're probably you. 400 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 2: Know, my wedding are awful. 401 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was fucking sweating, like you gotta have a shower, like, yeah, 402 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: you know, by the time you probably get to it, 403 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: it was like four o'clock in the morning. So I 404 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: don't think that it's going to be an enjoyable experience 405 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: if it is your first time. 406 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 4: Here, we go here it is. 407 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: Model and gladiator Jack Kenny sparked confusion when he posted 408 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: that he was in the process of relocating with his 409 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: influencer girlfriend Lily Brown. Now. The couple have been doing 410 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: long distance for about a year and a half now, 411 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: with Lily based in Brisbane and Jet living with his 412 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: iron man dad Grant on the Sunshine Coast. Now, the 413 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: couple have spoken on Lily's podcast about their desire to 414 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: eventually live with one another, but complained how expensive the 415 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: housing market was, and also they couldn't decide on which 416 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: city they were going to live in. Yeah, and after 417 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: seeing Jet's post, followers were convinced Lily and Jet had 418 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: purchased a house together and was starting renovations. However, it 419 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: turns out Lily is moving into the upstairs wing of 420 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: Jet's father's house, and from what I've heard, the house 421 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: is absolutely epic. Yeah, from all reports, it is a 422 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: stunning canal front mansion. And it's not really surprising because 423 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: Jet has two very famous parents. As we touched on, 424 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: his dad was an iron man and his mum, Lisa Curry, 425 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: was an Olympic swimmer, and in twenty eleven they separate 426 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: and at the time it was reported that they were 427 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: fighting over their eighty million dollar am So this house 428 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 1: is going to be pretty nice, because when you hear 429 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: that someone's moving in with their boyfriend's parents, it's sort 430 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: of like, Wow. 431 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: That's embarrassing. Yeah, but I mean I probably want to 432 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: move into this place. Yeah, not in this instance. It 433 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: sounds like quite a good idea. 434 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: Let's throw to a snippet of Lily's plans for their wing. 435 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: Of the house. 436 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 4: Crazy high ceilings. We come through here, So this is 437 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 4: the room we painted. We haven't done the roof, but 438 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 4: we did everything else. 439 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: Well. 440 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 4: It kind of looks blue vibe, and yeah, this is 441 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: probably going to be our bedroom, we're thinking. Although there's 442 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 4: no fan or air conditioning, there is fan and air 443 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 4: conditioning out here though. I just like that this room 444 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: is big because I was thinking, could do podcast up here, 445 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 4: work up here. 446 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: I had to slow down this video so I could 447 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: inspect what was going on in the background, because it 448 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: looks like you can even see the beach from the 449 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: top window of their bedroom. It also has a very 450 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: tropical vibe because the man is surrounded by palm trees. 451 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: I did spy a blue bathroom vanity, though, so they've 452 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: got to get rid of that. I think that is 453 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: within their plans to totally rip out all of the bathroom. 454 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: It's like a sky blue like this kind of very 455 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: bright blue color. I've never seen the bathroom like it. 456 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: I do wonder what this means for Lily's pajama line. 457 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: Chill though, because her warehouse is based on the Gold 458 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: Coast and in a previous podcast it sounded like she 459 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: was very much pushing for Jet to relocate there. Well, 460 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: she's spoken before about struggles with money, so maybe this 461 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: is a monetary thing. She's obviously saving a bit of 462 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: cash staying at Jet's dad's house. 463 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and surely she's got staff that can do stuff, 464 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 2: you know, at. 465 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: The Gold Coast where chill is a completely one woman job, 466 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: so she is managing this all on her own. She 467 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: did mention in this clip that she will be setting 468 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: up a home office and also a podcast studio there. 469 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: So he looks like she's trying to run everything from 470 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: Jet Kenny's dad's house. We have some new laundry that 471 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: just came in the mail and we want to try 472 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: it on and see how we feel. A controversial lingerie 473 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: campaign featuring three female rugby sevens players has divided opinions. 474 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: While some have labeled the campaign as regressive and sexist, 475 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: others argue it's empowering. 476 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: Amy, can you tell us more about the campaign? 477 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the campaign was titled Strong is Beautiful and 478 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: it was created by lingerie company Blue Bella. So it 479 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: features rugby seven's players Jasmine Joyce, Celia Quinash and Ellie Botman, 480 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: and all of these women are set to represent Great 481 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Britain at the Olympics this year. Now, just to be clear, 482 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: Team Great Britain and also Great Britain's rugby seven team 483 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with their campaign. This is an 484 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: independent campaign that the three women have entered in it. Yeah, 485 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: so the photos in this campaign show the women on 486 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: a rugby pitch and they're decked out in laingerie, wearing 487 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: footy boots and long socks. And in some of the 488 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: photos the women are either holding rugby is or there's 489 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: this weird shot where two of the women are hoisting 490 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: the other women up. I don't know if you've seen 491 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: that kind of pose in rugby where they throw them 492 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: up in the air. The whole clip was awkward, wasn't it. 493 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: It just looked out of place, and the women also 494 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: looked very awkward and almost embarrassed to be And yeah, 495 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: it did have a real awkward tone to it. So 496 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: what I found most interesting about this story is Bluebeller's 497 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: marketing pitch because it relied heavily on some stats from 498 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two women in sports survey. So in 499 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: this press release, Bluebella said their campaign was aimed at 500 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: encouraging teenage girls not to drop out of sport and 501 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: to show girls how they can look muscular and strong 502 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: as well as feminine. So the release reference stats which 503 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: showed over half of female high school students dropped out 504 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: of all sport at the age of sixteen. Blue Beller 505 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: CEO Emily Bendel said, we have to change the perception 506 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: that the strong female form is not feminine. The idea 507 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: that strengthened feminine do not go together is a really 508 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: damaging perception for keeping women. 509 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: In sport, but also more broadly. 510 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: So basically they're trying to say that being feminine is 511 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: wearing lingerie whilst playing sport. Yeah, but the only way 512 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: you can be feminine is to strip off your clothes, 513 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: chuck on someone knees. 514 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: And get on the pitch. Yeah, because that makes complacent 515 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: six makes a lot of sad. 516 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 517 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not surprising that this campaign has received 518 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: widespread backlash. So former tennis star Martina Navaratlova labeled the 519 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: campaign as regressive and sexist, while former long distance runner 520 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: Mari Yamunci dubbed the ad as exploitative, demeaning, sexist, regressive rubbish. 521 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: She said portraying women as sex objects will not encourage 522 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: teenage girls into sport now. Interestingly, following this backlash, the 523 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: Women in Sport Organization, who were the ones that released 524 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: this initial study, came out and distanced themselves from the campaign. 525 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: So it's CEO, Stephanie Hilbourne, told the Meat they felt 526 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable being mentioned in this campaign without their knowledge. 527 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: She said, we don't believe sexy lingerie and discussions about 528 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: teenage girls dropping out of sport should be in the 529 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: same campaign. She said this ultimately won't inspire girls to 530 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: stay in sport. Girls don't need to be told to 531 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: look pretty on the pitch. They need brands to showcase 532 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: their strength, resilience, skills and what they are capable of. 533 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: She finished by saying elite female athletes should be better 534 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: paid so they don't feel the need to supplement their 535 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: incomes now. Others have argued that this campaign was celebrating 536 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: the athletes as opposed to objectifying them, so fans of 537 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: the campaign took to social media to praise Bluebella for 538 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: featuring strong, muscular bodies and highlighting that lingerie is for everyone. 539 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: So one follower wrote love that this ad campaign is 540 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: showing my thirteen year old that strong is beautiful, so 541 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: good to show her that the typical airbrushed bodies aren't 542 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: the norm. Well, another said I don't remember outrage Beck's 543 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: post in Armani pants was that branded sexist. A rugby 544 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: journalist called Elmas Smith also came out in defense of 545 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: the campaign, saying women should be able to do sexy, fun, 546 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: playful campaigns that show the other side of their life. 547 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: Yes they're serious rugby players, but that doesn't mean they 548 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: can't be sexy laingerin models as well, especially if there's 549 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: a pain client involved. I think the thing that we 550 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: gloss over a lot is when we look at these 551 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: things is people presuppose a male gaze, an exploitation and 552 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: power being at play. But what if subjectively they weren't 553 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: even looking to appeal to a male gaze. After hearing 554 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: the sides fore and against, do you think that this 555 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: campaign is sexist or empowering. It's a tough one because 556 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: I really respect the opinions of the high profile women 557 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: who have spoken out and said that they find this 558 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: regressive and sexist, But At the same time, I think 559 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: this would be a totally different story if it was 560 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: World Rugby putting these women in launingerie and saying, hey, 561 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: come check out our hot players. 562 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: That's not what's happened here. 563 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: This was an independent campaign that three of the rugby 564 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: players decided to take part in. So they looked at 565 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: their campaign and thought, Okay, yes, this aligns with my 566 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: morals and values. And I think that we are showcasing 567 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: strong bodies in lawingerie. I think people are seeing the 568 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: headlines of rugby players in laingerie and thinking, oh, this 569 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 1: is to promote the game itself. 570 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: That's not what's happening. 571 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: But why do we continually have to sexualize female athletes 572 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: for people to take notice? Like, why is it only 573 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: that these women are strong and powerful because they're in laingerie? 574 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Why can't they just be in normal clothes. Why can't 575 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: they be in their rugby kitten People go, Wow, they 576 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: are strong and powerful. And that's because it's a campaign 577 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: for the laingerie. This isn't a campaign for people to 578 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: come and watch rugby. Yeah, that's why they're in the underwear. 579 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: And I understand all of that. 580 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: I think what annoys me about this campaign is that 581 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: this company is trying to push this message of body 582 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: positivity and they're acting like they're doing this amazing work 583 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: by encouraging women to continue to play sport, when in 584 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: reality they're selling launingerie. And what is this ad really 585 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: telling young women that in society, we will only respect 586 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: you and we will only consider you strong and beautiful 587 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: if you're in laun Gerie. 588 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: I don't understand. Why can't they be beautiful in their 589 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: rugby gear? Yeah, but this is a clever marketing tactic 590 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: from a lingerie company who were trying to sell underwear 591 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, And that's what I've 592 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: got an issue with the campaign over. 593 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: I actually think it's quite positive. This is an opportunity 594 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: for women to build their profile through ambassador roles and 595 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: through paid work, So they're getting paid to be in 596 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: this campaign. But if they might not find being in 597 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: their underwear regressive, they might find it empowered. We constantly 598 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: see male athletes like David Beckham in this style of advertising. 599 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: And for them it's empowering. 600 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: But if there's a huge disparity in power when it 601 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: comes to the male athletes doing it and the female 602 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: athletes doing it. I wonder if these women were earning 603 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: decent wages, like if they were earning what Beckham is, 604 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: would they have been in this campaign. 605 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: I don't think what they would eat. 606 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: I think the point you're probably making is that they 607 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: would have more power to say, I don't feel comfortable 608 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: in this scene. 609 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: I'm not doing that scene. I want to be maybe 610 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: a bit more covered up. 611 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: Because we did actually see the Lioness's appear in a 612 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: also appear in a lingerie campaign. Well it was for 613 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: the same company and it was so basically, this Strongest 614 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: Beautiful campaign has been running for eight years and this 615 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: is the first time there has been major backlash over it. 616 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: And a Guardian journalist by the name of Barbara Ellen, 617 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: she made some really good. 618 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: Points about this campaign. 619 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: Because we've referenced before it all just felt a little 620 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: bit off Sophy. You mentioned before the likes of David 621 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: Beckham appearing in underwear commercials. If you think about the 622 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: photos that have come out of Beck's modeling for Amani, 623 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: all the photos he looks smoldering and they're moody, and 624 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: that is because everything was handled by an agent, so 625 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: the photos were taken in the best lighting. Everything was 626 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: signed off on and the men would have been highly 627 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: compensated for their brand partnership. However, the female rugby play 628 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: is involved in this campaign and about eight hundred pounds 629 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: a game, and. 630 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: This is what concerns me. 631 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: It's this disparity of power, and the whole campaign just 632 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: looked awkward. The launerie was really revealing, especially when you 633 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: compare it to the Lioness shoot you mentioned so interestingly, 634 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: the Lioness's photo shoot with Blue Bella, it didn't spark 635 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: any controversy, and this is probably because there is a 636 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: big difference in the quality of photos and also the 637 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: status of the players. So the soccer players who were involved, 638 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: they were photographed in a studio with beautiful lighting, and 639 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: they appeared to have more of a say in what 640 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: laingerie they would appear in. So some of the players 641 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: they had track suits on as well as a bra, 642 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: or they had a top. 643 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: On and some underwear. It wasn't so in your face. 644 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: Did you think that this is a clever tactic to 645 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: get more people talking about women's rugby. No, it's an 646 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: attempt to jump on a campaign pretending it's about, you know, 647 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: empowering women and getting more girls into sport, but it's 648 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: actually just about selling launder and the issue I have 649 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: with it is that women have been objectified for so long, 650 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: and by continually promoting female athletes in this light, we 651 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: are telling young girls that women are only valued for 652 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: their appearance. And if you look at the success of 653 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: the matildas in recent times, this success hasn't been generated 654 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: from them stripping down and being in laundery. And ads 655 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: came here because what if these women wanted to be 656 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: They might find it empowering to show off their muscles, 657 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: they might find it empowering. 658 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: To be sexy in front of the camera. They might, 659 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: But the whole market is three women's decisions from the team. Yeah, 660 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: I understand the whole team. 661 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: I understand that, But the whole marketing campaign has been 662 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: prefaced as we are doing this to help encourage young 663 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: girls to play sports. 664 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: It's bullshit. 665 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there are probably a lot of women who 666 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: look at rugby and it is quite a dangerous sport. 667 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: There's a lot of head knocks. 668 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: It's probably not that glamorous, so they're trying to bring 669 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of glamour to the sport. 670 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: You could do it without having them in their underwear, 671 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: but maybe they want to be like, maybe. 672 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: That was their decision, but it's I would assume that 673 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: it hasn't boosted any more numbers going to the rugby. 674 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: It might have boosted laingerie sales. 675 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: I actually beg to differ now. I feel like a 676 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: lot more men. 677 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: But look not that that's necessarily a good thing, but 678 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot more men are probably going 679 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: to be tuning in and wanting to watch the woman's 680 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: women that they apparently want. And if you look at 681 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: what the Matildas have done, it is a prime example 682 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: of what other sports could do. The fact that the 683 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: media jumped on board and actually started promoting women's soccer 684 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: in Australia was pivotal. 685 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 2: Into how many young girls have now got into soccer. 686 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: It started with the Amazon doco which showcase the playing squad. 687 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: When you watched it, you got to see the girl's personalities, 688 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: you got to see how hard they worked, and that's 689 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: why Australians fell in love with them and they've got 690 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: behind them. We're not going to inspire young girls to 691 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: play sport by sticking women in lauingerie with some bullshit 692 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: notion of it being empowering I have a confession slash storytime. 693 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: Sarah's day really isn't having any luck with her prior 694 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: to sunglasses, She admitted in her recent YouTube video that 695 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: she lost her replacement pratas. Remember my Prata sunglasses that 696 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: first of all, the first pair got stolen, and. 697 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: Then I bought them again because I loved them so 698 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: much I lost them. 699 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: If this isn't a sign from the universe to stop 700 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: buying designer sunglasses, I really don't know what is. Yeah, 701 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: because listeners might remember that back in November last year, 702 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: Sarah had her designer sonny stolen from a Cronulla post 703 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: office when her back was turned, and she ended up 704 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: creating a whole load of theatrical storytime videos about the incident. 705 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 706 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: In one of the videos, she threatened the thief, saying 707 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: you've been caught red handed on CCTV and you've got 708 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: forty eight hours to return my sunglasses or I'm going 709 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: to the police. She was slammed online for this, with 710 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: people saying that they were first world problems and for 711 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: also wasting important police. 712 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: Time on her of sunglasses. 713 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: Well, I was wastually quite surprised that they didn't end 714 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: up finding this thief because I remember seeing a photo 715 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: of the alleged thief circulating online. Yeah, and it was 716 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: someone who lived in the area, so I'm surprised that 717 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: she wasn't dabbed in Now because the police were unable 718 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: to get these sunglasses back, Sarah said that she was 719 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 1: forced to buy another six hundred and fifty dollars pair 720 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: of the exact same Prata sunglasses. 721 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 3: Again. 722 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: She did preface that they were thirty percent off at 723 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: the time, so she could justify the spend well. Despite 724 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: vowing not to buy Prata Sonnis again, Sarah decided to 725 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: try her luck with Selene's this time, so she headed 726 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: into the sunglass's hut looking for a pair of eight 727 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars Selene Trophy sunglasses. Unfortunately, they weren't 728 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: in stock, so the shop assistant persuaded her that two 729 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: is better than one, and she ended up walking out 730 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: with two different pairs of Selene sunglasses. I'm not sure 731 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: of the price of them, but Selene is a very 732 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: expensive brand. I do want to point out that her husband, Kurt, 733 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: said he didn't like either pair and was very underwhelmed, 734 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: which is just what you want to hear when you've 735 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: dropped a lot of money. If it was me and 736 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: I had already spent around one two hundred dollars on Sunnys, 737 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: I'd almost be opting further service station sunglasses. I don't 738 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: think we're ever going to see Sarah rocking servo Sunnis 739 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: and I get it. In Australia, you're going to want 740 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: something that's going to protect your eyes and have UV protected. 741 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 2: But you can get that and not spend eight hundred 742 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: and eighty dollars. Yeah, exactly. 743 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: I was going to say, would you not cut your 744 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: losses and go for something slightly a bit cheaper, maybe 745 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: just without a designer logo on it? 746 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 747 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: All right, will we have some bread for you? 748 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: What do you think? 749 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 3: Yeah? 750 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: Disgusting which is so heavy on. 751 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: Doing forget takeaway shops and all you can eat restaurants. 752 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: Melbourne fashion influencer rosaliea Russian, and her nightclub mogul husband. 753 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 2: Nick are treating their kids to Michelin. 754 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: Star restaurants whilst holidaying in France. The funniest thing about 755 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: this is that the swanky restaurants haven't really been impressing 756 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: the kids, so they're eleven year old daughter Willow has 757 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: made her feelings. 758 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 2: Known in a gern. 759 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: It made me laugh because for some reason I got 760 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: in my head that maybe she had a little notepad 761 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: that she was writing this all down in. 762 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 2: But she's keeping a journal on her mum's note section 763 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: of her phone. 764 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 765 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: And when you say journal, it's more of her reviews 766 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: on some of Paris's best restaurants. 767 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 768 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: So the family dined at the Eiffel Tower, and Willow 769 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: did point out in her review that this cost her 770 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: dad one thousand and sixty dollars. 771 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: I wonder if she thinks that that's outrageous or does 772 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: she think that's normal. 773 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm guessing she did think it was expensive because she 774 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: listed the price. Rosaliah wrote Willow's budding food critic career 775 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: off to a good start her journal from Dinner with 776 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: a laughing face Now. In this review, Willow started off 777 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: strong by saying that their starter of smoke Tomato was 778 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: terrible and Corse one didn't fare much better, with Willow 779 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 1: saying it was a weird thing. 780 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: With lobster at the bottom disgusting. 781 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: She described course two as a weird baked cheese thing, 782 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: which was okay, I guess it was then quickly followed 783 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: by third course, which was a weird seafood infused sauce 784 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: with a lobster covered in beech root jelly, and described 785 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: it as being horrendous in capitals. I mean, I don't 786 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: know what they're expecting, because I know most eleven year 787 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: olds overseas they just want to go to McDonald's exactly. 788 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: I would have thought the dessert would have been a hit, 789 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: because she did explain that they had chocolate ice cream 790 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: with cocoa powder on top and a moose, but she 791 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: said it was weird and had nuts on it, which 792 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: were bad for her brother and too strong. It appeared 793 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: their dining experience didn't get any better because a few 794 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 1: days later, Rosalia revealed she was struck down with terrible 795 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: food poisoning after eating at a Michelin Star restaurant at 796 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: the Louver. 797 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: So she said she wasn't hungry, so she ordered a 798 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 2: light salad. That night. 799 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: She woke up at three am and started vomiting, so 800 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: she vomited. I'm so sorry for anyone eating, but she 801 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: vomited a total of ten times, describing the experience as 802 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: the worst day of her life. To add to it, 803 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: they were catching a flight to Italy that day and 804 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: she was Broska anti nausea tablets, but she struggled to 805 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: stand up at the airport and she ended up vomiting 806 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: again all over herself and also the bathroom sync. 807 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 2: One positive from this trip. 808 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: Is I really think that Willow should get into trip 809 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: Advisor reviews and she should slam the Louver restaurant. 810 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 3: I have pis stuff. 811 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: Would you be all these Michelin star chefs and they've 812 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: got this eleven year old who probably would never like 813 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: their offerings just giving it to them. 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