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Speaker 1: On today's show, Sky Wheatley slammed through promoting Calarium Sunbeds

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Speaker 1: only fans. Creator Mikayla Tester is detained by US Border Forces,

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Speaker 1: Ruby Tuesday, Matthews designer Baby Haul, and why Bet Judd

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Speaker 1: can't buy.

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Speaker 2: Wine in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and I was really surprised over the weekend

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Speaker 1: to find out how Jardey Tunci and Steph Claire Smith met.

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Speaker 1: So I always assumed that they met on a brand trip. However,

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Speaker 1: jar Day has revealed that she fanned girl Steph Claire

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Speaker 1: Smith on a photo shoot before they became friends. I

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Speaker 1: was even more surprised to find out that Jarday was

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Speaker 1: actually working as a social media manager for a fast

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Speaker 1: fashion brand on this photo shoot, so it was her

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Speaker 1: job to take content of Steph, and jar Day basically

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Speaker 1: went up to Stephan straight out said that she loved her.

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Speaker 1: That's a bold move to actually go up and tell

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Speaker 1: somebody that you love them. I've been in those situations

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Speaker 1: at work where we've been on photo shoots and there's

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Speaker 1: been people there with a high profile, and my go

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Speaker 1: to is to act like I don't know who they are,

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Speaker 1: which I think isn't the best move after hearing this,

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Speaker 1: because you almost don't want to make yourself look like

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Speaker 1: a loser and beneath them. But if you're in a

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Speaker 1: photo shoot and it's with a well known person, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty obvious that everyone knows who they are. You always

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Speaker 1: freeze Sophie that I do. It might be these people

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Speaker 1: that Sophia would probably get along with so well and

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Speaker 1: that you really admire, but you just don't know what

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Speaker 1: to say. But the thing is, this would have been

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and Steph probably wasn't a

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Speaker 1: huge name that she is now. She would have just

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Speaker 1: been an influencer. So I think in those situations you

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Speaker 1: could legitimately pretend that you don't know who they are,

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Speaker 1: and that would be my go to, because I never

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Speaker 1: think that this person is going to want to be

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Speaker 1: my friend if there's an power imbalance there. But even

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Speaker 1: I think you don't pretend that you don't know who

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Speaker 1: they are, but actually going up and fangirling as different

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Speaker 1: like you can act as if you know who the

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Speaker 1: person is and you've got admiration for them, but you

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Speaker 1: don't go, oh my, I effing love you.

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Speaker 2: I think it's different.

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Speaker 1: If you say I really respect what you do and

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Speaker 1: I've followed you from Afar and it's really nice to

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Speaker 1: meet you.

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Speaker 2: I think that's completely different.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they became friends after this shoot

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Speaker 1: or they only became friends when jar Day became an influencer? Well,

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Speaker 1: she actually explained that they were on several shoots together

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Speaker 1: before deciding to actually meet up outside of work, and

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Speaker 1: that's how the friendship blossomed. So there was a power

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Speaker 1: and balance there. I do wonder though, Steph Glear Smith

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Speaker 1: has spoken a lot about how she was friends with

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift when she was living in New York, so

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Speaker 1: Steph would have been on the other side of this

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Speaker 1: type of relationship, and I suppose that might be why

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Speaker 1: she agreed to be friends with jar Day. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if Steph provided jar Day with any pointers about how

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Speaker 1: to build her influencer following or perhaps start a business,

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Speaker 1: because it seems like her career really came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it was like that Shaney, Grimm and Click where

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Speaker 1: Lily Brown suddenly befriended Shana and then her Instagram took off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's probably that background person. Everyone's like, who is that

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Speaker 1: girl that's friends with Steph?

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It just feel like it's such a massive call to

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Speaker 4: say to someone with the following, like all the people

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Speaker 4: who are following you are your responsibility. Like that just

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Speaker 4: wigs me out.

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Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has caused outraged after promoting the use of

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Speaker 1: colarium sun beds on her Instagram. The twenty nine year

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Speaker 1: old hit back at her critics, saying she shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: held accountable for what her followers choose to do, so.

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Speaker 2: What's gone down?

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: On Friday night, Sky Wheatley took her followers along for

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Speaker 1: her appointment at Gold Coast tanning clinic Body Bronze and

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Speaker 1: followers were shocked when she posted a video of a

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Speaker 1: sun bed with its bright purple light on and wrote

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Speaker 1: found a calarium. Now I have never heard of a

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Speaker 1: calarium until now. I assumed it was a typo. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they seem to have recently emerged on the market, so

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Speaker 1: Sky wrote it looks like a solly, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: For those not following along. That is the short term

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Speaker 1: for solarium so the commercial use of solariums was banned

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Speaker 1: in Australia in twenty fifteen due to the risk of

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Speaker 1: melanoma in its users. Disturbingly, though, they can still be

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Speaker 1: purchased for private use. Before I read out the rest

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Speaker 1: of Sky's quote, I want to preface that what she

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Speaker 1: wrote has no factual basis and is incredibly dangerous. So

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Speaker 1: she wrote, the calarium has red light therapy with zero

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Speaker 1: point eight percent UV, so you won't burn, and it's

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Speaker 1: a safer alternative to sun baking. Naturally, it improves sleep

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Speaker 1: and helps with collagen and elastin for overall good skin health. Now,

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Speaker 1: Sky's sun forest was also in the room with her

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Speaker 1: whilst the sun bed was on and emitting the light.

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Speaker 1: She also shared a subsequent photo of herself standing in

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Speaker 1: front of the calarium with her pants pulled down and

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Speaker 1: she was wearing Brazilian cut undies to show off her

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Speaker 1: tan marks from the colarium, and she was looking incredibly bronzed.

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Speaker 1: She wrote, I wasn't expecting to get any color at all.

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Speaker 1: I mainly wanted to improve my sleep. Apparently it helps

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Speaker 1: with that. He here, so we keep you posted. I

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Speaker 1: actually wanted to buy one for myself, so I'm already sold.

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Speaker 1: This actually makes me feel so so sick and really

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Speaker 1: pissed off. We have seen an influx of influencers sharing

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Speaker 1: their tan lines, and I feel like it is slowly

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Speaker 1: creeping back into our culture. The absolute joke that Sky

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Speaker 1: is saying that she's actually using it for her sleep.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is called a kolarium. It's playing

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Speaker 1: off the word solarium.

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Speaker 2: We all know what people are using it for.

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Speaker 1: She's also visiting a tanning salon to get it done.

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Speaker 1: I don't buy for a second that this is used

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Speaker 1: for sleep, because she has such a long documented obsession

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Speaker 1: with tanning. So when she started her YouTube channel, she

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Speaker 1: would share videos of her excessively tanning with oil, and

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, she caused outrage when she told her

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Speaker 1: followers that she wished she was a naturally tanned Aboriginal.

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Speaker 1: After apologizing for having streaky tanned hands, she added that

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Speaker 1: she didn't mean for the comments to sound racist and asked,

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Speaker 1: was that racist. I'm not a racist person, Like I

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Speaker 1: actually dated an Aboriginal guy and I wish I had

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Speaker 1: Aboriginal in my blood or just some type of anything

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Speaker 1: that makes you brown. I don't even know where we

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Speaker 1: go from those comments because they are so appalling. She

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Speaker 1: has also continue to share videos and photos of her

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Speaker 1: self tanning throughout the years, but says it's okay because

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Speaker 1: she has sun cream on. Do you think that Sky

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Speaker 1: is so foolish that she actually believes there are health

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Speaker 1: benefits to this calarium and she thinks that she's actually

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Speaker 1: helping her followers by telling them about this. No, it

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Speaker 1: was clearly a paid partnership, and that she wants this

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Speaker 1: calarium tanning machine for herself. I am really sick of

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Speaker 1: Sky getting off scott free by saying, oh, maybe she

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Speaker 1: didn't understand. I mean, I think in this day and age,

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Speaker 1: we've had enough education, particularly in schools, to know how

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Speaker 1: dangerous the sun is. Well. Following Sky's post of the calarium,

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Speaker 1: she did receive widespread backlash. One user wrote, you absolutely

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Speaker 1: do not understand how skin cancer is caused. There is

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Speaker 1: no level of a safe tan Another said, you're not

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Speaker 1: just sharing what you do. There are so many impressional

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Speaker 1: people that you were reaching. So Sky responded to the

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Speaker 1: hate in a nine minute rant, saying she isn't responsible

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Speaker 1: for the choices her followers make and shouldn't be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: Here's a snippet of what she said.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, to hold people accountable for what other people do

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Speaker 3: in their life, that's got to fucking stop. Like absolutely

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Speaker 3: not Like I don't agree with that, I agree with

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Speaker 3: what some people have said and the dangers of skin cancer,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. But holding people accountable online for other people's

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Speaker 3: wellbeing and lives and stuff like that, Like, no, babe,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna draw the line there, like I'm really drawing

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Speaker 4: a lot. In no way, shape or fucking form, am

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Speaker 4: I holding a gun to someone's head saying you must

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Speaker 4: do as I do.

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Speaker 5: You must speak as I speak, you must breathe as

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Speaker 5: I breathe, you must live as I live. Like, That's

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Speaker 5: not what I'm doing, And I'm not trying to force

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Speaker 5: people to do what I'm doing. I'm simply sharing what

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Speaker 5: I like to do. I understand that young teenage girls

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Speaker 5: get the impression that if they do what I do,

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Speaker 5: they're gonna look like me or whatever, Like I understand that,

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Speaker 5: so it, But I'm not your mother.

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Speaker 4: I'm not your mother. I do not have responsibility over

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Speaker 4: what you do in your life. I'm sorry, Like I love,

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Speaker 4: I love and care for you guys, and I genuinely

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Speaker 4: like I love you.

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Speaker 3: All like a mother. But I did not fucking birth

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Speaker 3: six hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You have responsibility. As soon as you take

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Speaker 1: a paycheck. As an influencer, you are a role model.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why she is a role model.

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Speaker 1: She has so many followers, and I'm surprised they haven't

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Speaker 1: dropped off. But her job is an influencer. As the

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Speaker 1: acknowledged in that rant that young women want to follow

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Speaker 1: her beauty routine so that they can look like her,

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Speaker 1: so she is aware of the influence that she has.

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Speaker 1: The difference is that she only wants the influence when

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Speaker 1: it's good. So she wants the influence when she's trying

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Speaker 1: to flog off her own products or trying to do

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Speaker 1: a brand sponsored post. But she doesn't want the influence

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Speaker 1: when she has to stop doing things that she literally

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Speaker 1: wants to go out and do herself. Don't partner with

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Speaker 1: this colarium company, then if you don't want that, well,

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Speaker 1: it's unclear whether she did partner with the company, because

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Speaker 1: there was no you know hashtag gifted or anything, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she could have got a freebie from there.

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Speaker 1: And also talk about shifting the blame to your followers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, half of her following probably didn't even know

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Speaker 1: what a qularium was until she posted the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also.

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Speaker 1: She's saying, oh, I wasn't telling people what to do,

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Speaker 1: but she was literally outlining all the supposed benefits of

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Speaker 1: this product.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: There is no way that that was an organic post,

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Speaker 1: like she was getting something out of it. She also

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Speaker 1: finished the rant by saying that the more people who

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Speaker 1: hate her, the better.

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Speaker 6: Here's what she said, I personally would rather follow someone

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Speaker 6: who is genuine and authentic to themselves rather than someone

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Speaker 6: who's trying so hard to get everyone to like them.

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Speaker 7: Do you know what, guys, the more people that.

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Speaker 8: Hate me the fucking better, because it shows how organic

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Speaker 8: and authentic I'm being to myself.

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Speaker 4: And I fucking love that my followers don't drop tonight.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to be concerned because I am so authentic

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Speaker 8: and true to myself that if people ain't hated on me,

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Speaker 8: it's a fucking concern. That's what's up. Peace out to

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Speaker 8: get sushi after Jim and live my fucking amazing life

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Speaker 8: that I built and I love.

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Speaker 1: So much that I don't have the time to troll.

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Speaker 10: They basically own you and everything when you step foot

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Speaker 10: And I was just in this room for hours, and

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Speaker 1: Mikayla was then questioned by officers about who she was

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Speaker 10: They have a kettle, they have some cups of noodles,

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Speaker 11: I cannot stop thinking about this man. I'm in love

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Speaker 1: It was quite funny because in the comment section on

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Speaker 1: McKayla remained in this room for almost two days before

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Speaker 1: Mikayla found out she was being deported only an hour

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Speaker 1: she's self employed, how is she affording this? I mean

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Speaker 1: they have all her information there as well. Let's not

441
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Speaker 1: doubt that they're googling her. Oh and it would be

442
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Speaker 1: such salt in the wound for Mikayla because, as I

443
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, her personal assistant Alisha, traveled with her to

444
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Speaker 1: Cochella and she was let through whilst Mikayla was detained.

445
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Speaker 1: And she has been sharing so many photos of the

446
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Speaker 1: trip showing the very lavish mansion that the group of

447
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Speaker 1: influencers are staying at, and there was even a TV

448
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Speaker 1: screen welcoming Michayla and Alisha to the accommodation, and she said, oh.

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Speaker 2: Miss you.

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Speaker 1: This actually reminds me when I was working at the

451
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Speaker 1: thirty Six's and we flew over to Singapore to be

452
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Speaker 1: a part of the Merlin Cup and we were all

453
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Speaker 1: going through customs and one of the players got detained

454
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Speaker 1: because his passport didn't have six months on it, and

455
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Speaker 1: he actually got sent home that night. And we felt

456
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Speaker 1: so bad because we're all living it up, sharing on

457
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Speaker 1: our Instagram stories, and the poor thing was on this

458
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Speaker 1: flight back home, well, Alicia.

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Speaker 2: Must just be loving it.

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Speaker 1: She has about thirteen thousand followers, which I think are

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Speaker 1: off the back of Michayla, and they are apparently very

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Speaker 1: good friends. But Mikayla does seem to have quite a

463
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Speaker 1: falling out with friends, so I wonder whether this will cause.

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Speaker 2: A bit attention.

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Speaker 1: It's not her fault, Yeah, I know, it's not her fault.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to see that she's actually got a real

467
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Speaker 1: PA or one of the fake ones that we talked about.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if White Fox does hold some responsibility

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Speaker 1: to ensure the influencers and talent get there safely well,

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Speaker 1: particularly when White Fox knows she is big on OnlyFans.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't they have said, oh, make sure you feel this

472
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Speaker 1: form in correctly and give a bit of a guy,

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Speaker 1: particularly because this is the second time, as we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: that Mikayla has been in the US. So in October

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Speaker 1: last year, she and a friend were detained for five

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Speaker 1: hours and Mikayla, of course did a TikTok video about this,

477
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Speaker 1: and she explained that she made sure that she looked

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Speaker 1: really ratchet bad because she knows that US customs are

479
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Speaker 1: really strict, but her friend drew attention for her eyelash

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Speaker 1: extensions and, as Mikayla described them, big fat, juicy lips.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting though, because what she's clearly

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Speaker 1: saying here is that US Border Control they do profile people,

483
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Speaker 1: and they do have rules regarding sex workers being let

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Speaker 1: into the country. So she's obviously making it aware that

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Speaker 1: she knows about these rules. So it does seem like

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Speaker 1: she probably purposely put that she was self employed. So

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Speaker 1: her theory is that if you don't look as glam

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Speaker 1: they're not going to pick on you. Well, yeah, and

489
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Speaker 1: she said that she knew for a fact that they

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Speaker 1: thought that she was a sex worker or an escort

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Speaker 1: looking to work in the US, but on this occasion

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Speaker 1: they were let into the country. The thing is she

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Speaker 1: was clearly flagged back then in October as someone of

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Speaker 1: interest to check in on next time, so that's probably

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Speaker 1: why it happened. Well, this does seem to be an

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Speaker 1: issue that is happening again and again, And in March

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Speaker 1: of this year, freelance journalist Sophie k Rosa investigated this

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Speaker 1: very issue, and she explored why an influx of sex

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Speaker 1: workers are being detained by US border agents and the

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Speaker 1: article explained that undercurrent laws, any person US border agents

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Speaker 1: suspect has sold sex in the last ten years can

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Speaker 1: be denied a visa, refused entry, detained, deported, and banned

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Speaker 1: from the US for five to ten years. The laws

504
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Speaker 1: are very vague, though, and referred to prostitution and commercialized

505
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Speaker 1: vice and crimes involving moral turpitude. So many of these

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Speaker 1: laws are grounded in turn of the twentieth century morality

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Speaker 1: and they single out in particular female sex workers as

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Speaker 1: a moral and as threats to American marriages and families.

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Speaker 1: And once detained, many of these sex workers are subject

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Speaker 1: to very intrusive, offensive, and harmful treatment. They asked a

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Speaker 1: detail questions about their personal life and work, and they

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Speaker 1: also must give up their phones, which a lot of

513
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Speaker 1: agents tend to take advantage of and troll through for

514
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Speaker 1: free incriminating evidence. And the experience in this article has

515
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Speaker 1: been described by many sex workers as incredibly traumatizing. Many

516
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Speaker 1: said that they felt as though they were being treated

517
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Speaker 1: like a second class citizen and that the work they

518
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Speaker 1: did was perceived as inherently criminal. So the journalists also

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Speaker 1: interviewed a member of the United sex Workers trade who

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Speaker 1: said that based on stories shared with the Union. They

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Speaker 1: believe the border forces are using facial recognition surveillance technology

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Speaker 1: to detect sex workers as well as background checks.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty extreme.

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Speaker 1: Now there is some speculation that some sex worker websites

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Speaker 1: might share workers' personal data with the US Now. Others

526
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Speaker 1: also believe that the US has a way of accessing

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Speaker 1: this data without websites permission. That's pretty interesting speculation in

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Speaker 1: light of the US's problems with TikTok now Away from

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Speaker 1: only Fans, I was interested in the concept of whether

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Speaker 1: it's legal for influencers to go on brand trips in

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Speaker 1: a different country and essentially make money in that country.

532
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Speaker 1: So a lawyer Sidney Wong's as, if a foreign influencer

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Speaker 1: visits the US and performs paid marketing work for an

534
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Speaker 1: American business without a work visa, then the influencer will

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Speaker 1: have violated US immigration law. Indeed, even a seemingly harmless

536
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Speaker 1: sponsored Instagram post may be a violation. Now, it does

537
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Speaker 1: get very complicated, and of course it depends if an

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Speaker 1: influencer has applied for visas or disclosed their work, also

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Speaker 1: which country they're traveling too. In Michayla's case, she was

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Speaker 1: being paid by White Fox Boutique, which is an Australian brand.

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Speaker 1: But it does get murky because she's essentially promoting an

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Speaker 1: American festival. We're assuming that Michaela was paid by White

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Speaker 1: Fox to attend Coachella, like a number of the other influencers.

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Speaker 1: But I do wonder if this is a gifted arrangement.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if a lot of brands do just

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Speaker 1: offer gifted trips because then they avoid any of these

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Speaker 1: situations where influencers are basically being paid by different countries

548
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Speaker 1: and they avoid any issues with visas. I wonder how

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Speaker 1: it works for influencers, say Olivia Rodgers recently went to

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Speaker 1: Paris and she went there to shoot a lot of

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Speaker 1: content in Clo I mean, two different countries. But I

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Speaker 1: wonder how it works in that sense when there's not

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Speaker 1: a specific brand deal. It's at the discretion of the

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Speaker 1: influencer where they shoot their caun. I think with the

555
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Speaker 1: amount of money that influencers are making off these sorts

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Speaker 1: of trips, I think it will be something that new

557
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Speaker 1: laws need to come into place for.

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Speaker 12: So she's wearing this little Fendi dress to the wedding,

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Speaker 12: which is I can't even then she has this cute

560
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Speaker 12: little dog jacobarna Onesie that she looks so cute.

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Speaker 1: In Ruby Tuesday, Matthews has caused a stir by sharing

562
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Speaker 1: a designer baby clothing hall to Instagram. The Byron Bay

563
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: influencers showed off the expensive outfit she was packing for

564
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Speaker 1: her baby daughter ahead of their holiday to Fiji.

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Speaker 2: K can you tell us more?

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Speaker 1: Well, well, many of us are struggling with the cost

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Speaker 1: of living crisis. Ruby Tuesday Matthews thought it was a

568
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Speaker 1: good idea to flaunt her baby daughter's designer wardrobe, so

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Speaker 1: she took her followers behind the scenes she packed for

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Speaker 1: her holiday to Fiji. So Ruby is taking her three

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Speaker 1: kids along to Fiji to attend a wedding.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: Ruby shared she had bought her daughter a Fendy dress

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Speaker 1: to wear at the wedding, which costs a staggering nine

575
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one dollars. Just to reminder, this is

576
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Speaker 1: a dress for a baby which they're.

577
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Speaker 2: Going to grow out of so quickly, I know.

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Speaker 1: She went on to show she had also packed adulcy

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Speaker 1: in cabanat Wusie that retails at three hundred and forty dollars,

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Speaker 1: along with two Stella McCartney dresses and a Chloe dress,

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Speaker 1: with all of these items costing in the hundreds. The

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Speaker 1: kicker was the plain outfit she packed for Little Sunday

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Speaker 1: was a white knitted top and leggins, which were sold

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Speaker 1: separately but collectively cost one thousand, three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: four dollars. It was quite funny because during the clothing haul,

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Speaker 1: Ruby exclaimed that her baby daughter had a better wardrobe

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Speaker 1: than her and I just wanted to add that.

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Speaker 2: Ruby made a.

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Speaker 1: Point of saying all the brand names, which she didn't

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Speaker 1: actually add the prices. It was the wonderful Amber from

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Speaker 1: Influencer Updates that source those prices. I just can't get

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Speaker 1: over the fact that she's purchased a white outfit for

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Speaker 1: her daughter to wear on the plane. That's over one

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. What if that kid vomits all over it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a mum, but I don't know

596
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Speaker 1: enough about babies that that outfit is going to be

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Speaker 1: completely destroyed on that plane journey. I think if she

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Speaker 1: wants to dress her baby in design outfit, that's obviously

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Speaker 1: her business. She's got the money to do so. However,

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Speaker 1: it's a bit tone deaf to share it at this time.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously going to piss people off who are struggling financially. Well,

602
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Speaker 1: clearly she's not very good at reading the room, like

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Speaker 1: why would you post this in this current economic client.

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Speaker 1: I think the excessive flaunting of wealth is not what

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Speaker 1: her followers want to see, and I'd be interested to

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Speaker 1: see if she lost any followers. I did want to

607
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Speaker 1: have a look at Social Blade, but it takes a

608
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Speaker 1: couple of days for them to update their figures and

609
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Speaker 1: this only happened over the weekend. I wonder if the

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Speaker 1: items of clothing were gifted, because it does seem like

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Speaker 1: such a bizarre flex to put out there, and she

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Speaker 1: did make an effort to read out all of the

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Speaker 1: brand names. It's just not relatable to her audience at all.

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Speaker 1: It was such a weird flex, and we don't know

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Speaker 1: if it was gifted because she didn't disclose it. But

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Speaker 1: it's not to say that it wasn't.

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Speaker 4: A lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 6: I've been drinking it for years.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to see some identification really makes me feel

620
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Speaker 5: young again.

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Speaker 1: Beck Judd was refused service at a bottle oo in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand because she didn't look old enough. The forty

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Speaker 1: year old mother of four and her sister Kate were

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Speaker 1: unable to purchase a bottle of wine because they couldn't

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Speaker 1: produce their IDs to prove they were over eighteen, Kate,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us more so? On Thursday, Beck shared

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Speaker 1: a series of Instagram stories about her experience in a

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Speaker 1: New Zealand bottle shop, and at first she wrote that

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Speaker 1: she was excited to try a New Zealand bottle of rose,

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Speaker 1: but then in the next slide shared a photo of

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Speaker 1: the wine confiscated, so Beck revealed it had been taken

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Speaker 1: from her and her sister because they weren't able to

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Speaker 1: provide ID when they purchased it. She said she told

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Speaker 1: the shop assistant that they were actually old enough to

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Speaker 1: have eighteen year old children, and later on Beck shared

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Speaker 1: a photo of her and Kate posing with the caption

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Speaker 1: just a couple of underages trying to get a bottle

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Speaker 1: of rose. Well, they do look a lot younger than

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Speaker 1: they are. It was quite funny because the Daily Mail

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Speaker 1: ran with the lead Bet Judd has been left distraught

641
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Speaker 1: after she was refused to us at a bottle shop.

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Speaker 1: This woman turned forty in January. She would have been

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Speaker 1: the complete opposite of distoryer. She would have been thrilled,

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Speaker 1: and let's be honest, the whole reason she shared the

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Speaker 1: ordeal was a flex. I remember when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: it used to be so mortifying to be idd However,

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Speaker 1: now that I'm in my thirties, I get a kick

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Speaker 1: out of it if someone asks for It's funny this

649
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Speaker 1: week because a friend of mine also shared on social

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Speaker 1: media that he got asked for ID at bottle shop

651
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Speaker 1: and he's a dad of one. It's offensive as a guy.

652
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Speaker 1: As a guy, I think you always want to look older.

653
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Speaker 1: I was actually I think it was last year for

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Speaker 1: Dale's birthday. I was trying to buy him a bottle

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Speaker 1: of wine and they refused me too, but I luckily

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Speaker 1: had my ID. And it's so funny when the shop

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Speaker 1: assistants really embarrassed. Yeah sorry, it's like, nah, I love it,

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Speaker 1: thank you. It was quite interesting and I'm sure some

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Speaker 1: of our New Zealand listeners can confirm. But apparently in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand they're really strict with checking ID. So while

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Speaker 1: you can buy alcohol in supermarkets, New Zealand supermarket chain

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Speaker 1: Countdown confirmed that they tell their staff to ask anyone

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Speaker 1: for ID that looks younger than thirty. Well that makes

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Speaker 1: a bit more sense because I think bet Dudd could

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Speaker 1: pass for thirty.

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely younger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in Australia you're usually told that you

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Speaker 1: have to look over twenty five to be idd And

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Speaker 1: while it's a win for Beck because she is forty,

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Speaker 1: it's not as much of a big win as she

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Speaker 1: may be thought.

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Speaker 2: You're taking away of flexk. Look, she looks incredible.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.

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