WEBVTT - Liz Parnov - Australian Survivor - Winner 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:02.920 TV Reload. 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:04.040 The podcast Last Deep Airline. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:05.680 Welcome back to TV Reload. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.600 My name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.200 to get all the inside goss on the popular TV 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.400 shows you may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.680 our TV sets are a major part of our home 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.560 entertainment and very little is known about how our favorite 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.560 shows get made. 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I love hearing your feedback, 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.720 so make sure you leave a comment on your chosen 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.680 podcast platform and I'll make sure you feel as included 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.920 in the production of this show as I possibly can. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.360 On today's episode, I have a full debrief with the 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.440 winner of Australian Survivor twenty twenty three, Heroes Versus Villains 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.240 in an epic showdown, Liz beat Jerry and Matt at 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.920 the final jury. After a shock elimination of King George, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.200 Liz gave a speech worthy of all votes, and there 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.479 was no secret who had one heroes versus villains by 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.440 the time the pitches had been made. Starting as a 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.800 newbie and as a villain, it was a tough slog, 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:14.199 but somehow quite effortlessly done by Liz as she outwitted, outplayed, 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.720 and outlasted all the other castaways in Network ten's twenty 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.319 twenty three series. We will talk about Liz's takedown of 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.360 King George. I'll ask where the hell Shannie was in 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.720 that last moment and why she wasn't there for the 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.840 reunion Australia needed and wanted. Liz will also talk about 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.200 Jerry and Matt's pitch and I'll find out if that 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.360 order was the same in real life. Plus, we will 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.479 get some exclusives on the whole series, including some behind 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.720 the scenes secrets, which I'm sure you're gonna love. However, guys, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.160 let's bring Lizen to the podcast and celebrate her win, 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.600 which you can now catch up on on ten Play. Hi, Liz, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.240 congratulations on winning Australian Survivor. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:53.640 Hello, thank you. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.440 How hard has it been to keep this a secret 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.360 for this long? I mean, there has been so much 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:04.160 interest in this particular series of Australian Survivor. This must 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:05.800 have been pretty hard to keep under your hat. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.760 Well, No, I literally didn't find out until yesterday afternoon. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.720 So yesterday we found out and then we watched the 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.000 episode and that was that. So there was no secret 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.440 to keep. I think the biggest secret was just not 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.160 telling anyone where I went missing for six weeks. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:23.399 That was my secret. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.440 I mean, come on, like, after you'd seen those pictures, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.400 I'm pretty sure that you were walking around spending that 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:30.240 money in your head. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.920 No, no, no, I literally found out yesterday, so it 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.639 was all news to me, which was just so good. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.919 It was so nice just to have that moment yesterday 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.120 with everyone to celebrate and actually like feel those emotions 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.200 in real life. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.080 It kept it quite organic, which was sweet. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.160 I wish I was a fly on the wall for 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.200 that interaction. Now were you all together when you found out? 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.480 Yeah, we were, we were. It was really nice. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.440 What did they say? Like, what were the others doing? 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.400 Was there any tears? Was there any tantrums? Was there 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.000 any surprises? No? 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.560 Everyone was super kind. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.480 I obviously was a blubbering mess like I have been 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:07.800 through the whole damn season. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.000 Just crying all the time. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.840 I was actually watching the episode this morning on my 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.320 phone because I felt like last night, like it was 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.360 just so much was going on and I just couldn't 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.200 really concentrate, and so like, I put it on my 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.040 phone this morning and I was watching it back and 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.160 started crying again. So I feel like there's gonna be 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.640 a lot more tears to come over the next week. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.200 If there was an extended version of the season, it 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.079 would just be a whole lot about takes of you 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:33.720 standing around the beach crying. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.960 Is that right, standing at the beach crying, or like 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.960 giving someone a salty side eye or licking a machete 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:40.760 or something like that. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:41.320 Yeah. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.680 I loved that about you though, because I just thought 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.880 you were being so authentic throughout the game. And I mean, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.760 authenticity is the secret key to winning these sorts of shows. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.600 So SIDEI or resting bitch face, it all worked in 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:53.120 your favor. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:53.560 Yeah. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.360 That was the one thing I really wanted to do 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.839 going on Survivor was just to stay true to who 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.480 I am in the real world. And the best feedback 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.920 I got from all friends and family watching the season 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.160 was that I've literally been the exact same person, which 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.200 is all I wanted, and I'm so glad that my 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.760 true personality was portrayed and showed and everyone seemed to 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:15.560 really like it. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.040 I mean, I got a few comments saying. 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.600 Oh, she bitches and she moans and this and that, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.120 but whatever, I'm the winner. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.560 Well, you outwitted, outplayed and outlasted George, who is being 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.760 celebrated as one of the best Australian Survivor players of 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:31.279 all time. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:32.640 How does that feel? 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.839 Yeah, I mean, George is a phenomenal player. Everyone knows that, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.960 and he is so deserving of all of his accolades 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.440 because he is a true testament to what Survivor is. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.120 But I took George down. And that's the thing. I'm 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.240 a sneaky little lady. I feel like, you know, George 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.760 and I obviously played really close together and we had 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.800 a strong alliance. But I always knew that if I 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.520 was to be sitting at the end of George, I 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.920 wouldn't stand a chance. So I had to get rid 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.720 of him, unfortunately, and put our relationship aside and just 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.840 think about myself and my game moving forward. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.680 A lot of people were saying that, you know, even 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.680 if George was there, you would still get quite a 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.240 lot of votes. I think it might have even been 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.200 a tighter finale had we seen the two of you there. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.719 I don't know if everyone would have voted for George. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.880 It's hard because obviously when we're out there, we don't 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.679 hear or see what the jury's saying, so. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:28.240 We're kind of going off okay, gameplay personality, you know. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.039 I knew that George had obviously rub people up the 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.520 wrong way, so that was kind of in my favor. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.279 But I also knew that if the jury, which was 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:40.960 stacked with the Turning players, were voting based off gameplay, 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.640 then George would have it. So it wasn't a risk 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.960 I was willing to take to sit next to George 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:46.400 at the end. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.760 What was your reaction to seeing him write down your 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.640 name and giving you that message? 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.960 By that point, I was crying, So I have to 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.200 be honest and say I didn't hear it, but I 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.440 did hear that he had some lovely words to share, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.200 and he's just a sweetheart, and we formed a really 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.600 beautiful friendship and one that I think is going to 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:06.920 last a really long time. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.680 And I have so much respect for him. He taught 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:10.640 me so much about the. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.000 Game, and it was a real honor working with George 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.279 on this season of Survival. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.039 Could you have made it this far in the competition 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:22.000 and to have had this opportunity to win without George? 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:23.320 I mean a. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.400 Great question, and it's hard to say, but I think 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:27.760 I could have done it on my own. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.559 Like I'm a strong woman. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.920 I can figure it out, and I will get there 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.719 one way or another, whether that be with George or 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.960 that be with Shannie. I mean, I think it was 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.040 just fate and really just luck. I suppose that I 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.600 formed two genuine friendships with two really strong players that 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.760 taught me so much. If they weren't there, could things 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:49.440 have been different? 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.160 Perhaps? But could it would have should out? Who knows? 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.640 Who do you think actually taught you the most in 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.919 regards to winning this competition, Shannie, Geordie or George, Because 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.479 there's a lot of people who could really be claiming 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:02.880 to be your mentor at the moment. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.840 I personally tried to take a little bit from everyone 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.720 that I interacted with that I knew was a great player, 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.400 Returning players that had obviously played the game before and 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.040 they had the experience. I felt like I just wanted 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.960 to be a sponge and just take little things from 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.920 everyone and then make it my own. So I wouldn't 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.160 put it down to one mentor in particular. I'd say 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.480 that I was kind of a sponge and I just 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.720 absorbed all the knowledge and made it my own. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.840 Well, you gave the best speech by a country mile, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.440 leaving Matt and Jerry to come off, in my mind 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.840 and in my opinion, looking a little silly. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.480 The pitch is really really difficult, and by that point 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.240 in the game you were just a shell of a human. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.040 So I can tell you going into that pitch that 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.080 I honestly felt like I had lacked out. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.720 Because I was just so nervous. I was so exhausted 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:54.520 by the whole thing. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.600 Watching last night was the first time I actually remembered 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.960 what I'd said because it was just so nerve wracked 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.960 king I just word vomited when it came to my turn. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.080 But watching back, I am super proud of my pitch 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.200 and it got really great feedback, and Jerry and Matt 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.480 also did a great job, but I think mine was 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.040 just a little bit stronger, a. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.840 Little bit stronger. Give yourself some credit. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.640 I mean, is it fair to say that they might 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.200 have made it to the end with absolutely zero resume. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.120 I mean, what was the point to get all the 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.440 way to the end if they didn't really have anything 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:25.240 to put forward. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.040 Yeah, look, I mean you can definitely look at it 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.920 that way, and that's one angle. But I think as well, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.160 there is merit in getting to the end no matter 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.080 how you get there, Like it's no easy feet, whether 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.600 you are at the forefront of the alliance or you're 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.240 playing with your other alliance members. I think getting to 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.760 the end of Survivor is amazing, and I think you 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.440 just need to own however you get there. Like if 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.840 I was Jerry or Matt, I would be like, yeah, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.840 I sat behind George and I'm here and you're not. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:56.040 So you know. 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.520 One thing I noticed that was really clever in the 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.920 way in which you did your pitch was it was 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.640 clever to see you name people in a positive light 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.120 during your speech. It was almost like watching someone play 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.600 Mario or Sonic the Hedgehog. You just were going along 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.640 collecting the coins, you know, for us as a hero, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.480 it was like, you know, it was that something you 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.960 chose to do on purpose, to make sure that you 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.120 interacted with certain people, making sure that you would win 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.920 their vote. By saying something really positive about how they 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:23.600 played in your game. Yeah. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.240 Absolutely, I think it's really important when you get to 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.240 that pitch to pay your respects to all the other players, 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.560 and for me in particular, like I mentioned earlier, I 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.680 learned so many things from so many players and so 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.920 many moves from other players, So I think it's important 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.559 to include them, make them feel important and make them 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.400 feel heard and known, because everyone wants to feel that way, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.480 and that would help me get their vote. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:49.560 You know, it's interesting. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.640 I wanted to ask whether or not that was the 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.240 order that the pitch has happened. Was that did you 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.920 go first and then that was the order that we 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.600 saw on television or did they move the order around last. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.839 I wanted to ask that because, I mean, you were 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.000 so clever that it made me question whether or not 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.240 it was in the right order, because you did so 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.640 many things in your pitch that was so clever that 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.439 it would have been really remissive the other two if 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.200 they not had seen what you've done and tried to 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:17.839 use some of that content themselves. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:19.240 Yeah. No, that's a good point. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:24.280 So I went last, and whilst sitting through Jerry's and 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:25.000 Matt's pitch. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.200 I just looked into the fire and I just tried 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:29.320 to block everything out. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.720 I just kept reciting my pitch in my mind because 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.440 I didn't want to get thrown or kind of put 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.439 off track as to because I knew what I wanted 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.160 to say, and I wanted to really be convincing and 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.240 strong and solid, and I didn't want to wait for that. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.120 So I was last, and I. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.000 Suppose that probably worked in my favor as well. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.120 My biggest problem with the finale was not being able 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.600 to see you not have this reunion with Shannie. Like 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.800 you know, I was so invested in your relationship with Shannie. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.400 I was originally invested in the spy skirls, but I 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.800 just thought the two two of you girls were amazing. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.400 And was that a big mistake on behalf of the producers? 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.600 You know that the audience missed out on having that 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.680 moment to see you guys being reunited. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.120 I think it was just a part of the story. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.360 I mean, it wasn't targeted that Shawnee was to go 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.720 and for us to not have a reunion. I think Shannie. Unfortunately, 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.800 Shannie just got voted off and so we couldn't have 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.400 that moment. But we've connected since then and we've had 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.360 our moment off camera and we're still really really good friends. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.319 And I don't think it was anything wrong by the producers. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.439 It was just a part of the story in the 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:33.040 whole picture. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:34.400 Where was she though? 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:35.839 Has she had already been put on a plane a 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.280 couple of days before, I mean, where was Shawnie? 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.120 Yeah, she was gone, Sane was born. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.480 Oh my gosh, I saw Shannie back in Australia, which 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:45.160 is really sweet. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.880 What does your friendship look like with Shannie these days? 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.520 You did say that you've been able to catch up 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.000 and have that moment, But the show, you know, was 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.080 made quite a while ago. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.840 So are you guys in constant contact. How has the 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:56.760 friendship evolved? 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.360 Yeah, So Shannie made a visit to per which was 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:01.679 really sweet. We had a week. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.840 Together and then we talk on the phone. We text 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.439 every other day, so we're super close and we keep 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:09.040 in touch. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:09.400 You know. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.480 I also felt the burn when George got rid of Shannie, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.480 Like I still feel like that's a moment in the 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.800 show that it actually really had impacted me. How was 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.920 that for you at the time, and how were you 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.240 able to dig deep to go back to this alliance 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.199 with George without letting him know that you really had 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.760 been well and truly pissed off by that move. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.880 Yeah, I feel like in the game Survivor, you need 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.560 to just let things go and get on with it, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.319 because if you get caught up in a moment, you're done. 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.360 So I knew that I had to put my feelings 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.960 aside and get back on track and mend that relationship 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.319 with George because I knew that I had to use 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.200 him in my game, and I knew that I needed 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:54.080 him there by my side to progress. And like as 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.640 much as it hurt that Seannie left, I think it 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.560 also really kicked me into gear because it was now 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.240 mine time to really go for it on my own 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:02.840 and own it. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.439 I want to take you to task on one thing, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.280 though maybe you've got a better answer for this. But 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.120 you know, in that final pitch, you know, you mentioned 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.680 that George had missed you and Shannie conspiring against him, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.520 which I don't think was necessarily true, because he did 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.880 notice that you two were conspiring against him, and that 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.360 was the reason why he got rid of Shannie. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.720 I wasn't aware, so watching back, I only realized that 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.960 George actually did hear about Shannie and I. Whilst watching 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.440 I had no idea that actually out there he did, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:30.440 so that. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:31.080 Was news to me. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.600 And watching back, obviously George had overheard about the shi 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.680 alliance and unfortunately that was how I'm doing. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:39.720 What did that feel like? 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.040 Did you think, oh, that makes more sense now and 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.040 you know, of course George did that. Was that was 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.200 there a little bit more forgiving to his move now 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.240 that you knew that he'd overheard some stuff? 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.880 Yeah, I feel like watching back and seeing all the 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.720 other conversations and the whispers and what people overheard and 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.080 didn't overhear, it really puts it into context more so 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.079 I can understand why George made that move. But at 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.680 the same time, George had his own relationships on the side, 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.200 you know, him, Matt and Jerry were so solid, and. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.920 Seannie and I were just the same on the other side. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.400 So I get it, But I also feel like it 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.880 still wasn't necessary, you. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.560 Know, watching it back, was there anything because you were 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.120 just mentioning this that particularly shocked you and has annoyed you. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.920 I mean, the POV of the viewer is different to 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.680 that of a castaway on the beach. Surely you've seen 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.280 some stuff now that you think, well, that makes me 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.440 think very differently of you. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.560 I mean, there's definitely been moments like say, on the 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.640 other tribe, or when someone's off in the jungle having 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.240 a whisper to one another, where you're like, oh, okay, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.480 this was said interesting, and then you can kind of 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.640 put the pieces together in your mind a bit better. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.200 But I'm really thankful. I feel like I had a 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.240 great edit and I came across really well, and yeah, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.440 I have nothing to complain about. I loved it. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.200 Was it more impressive to you to be a newbian 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.400 to beat all these returning players or was it more 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.040 important to you to be a villain and to beat 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:03.600 the heroes. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.640 It was definitely more impressive to me to be outplaying 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.640 the returnees, because I feel like going into Survivor with 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.920 no experience is super challenging and a real shock to 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.240 the system because it's definitely a lot more difficult than 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.200 what it looks like on your screens. And so knowing 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.680 that these returning players had that experience, I thought, Okay, right, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.920 this is going to be really tough because they know 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.280 what they're doing and I'm literally coming in blind. So 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.640 the fact that I outplayed all of the returning players 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.280 is pretty incredible. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.200 I liked that last night you said that Survivor has 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.240 changed your life. You know, does this game change you 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.120 forever in the way you socialize with people in the 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.560 real world. I mean, I can't imagine how doing something 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.440 so hectic is this has impacted your life. But now 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.280 that you've had some time to sit with that, you know, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:53.840 how did Survivor change your life? 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:54.200 Yeah? 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.400 I think it really really put me out of my 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.840 comfort zone. And I'm quite an introvert in the real 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.800 world world. I have my people and I'm happy with that. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.280 So going into a game where you literally don't know 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.720 anyone and you have to be social, you have to 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.880 have a social game, you have to actually get to 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.840 know people. That really brought me out of my shell. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.120 And I think leaving the game now, I'm a lot 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.880 more confident when it comes to speaking to people I 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.320 don't know, and I feel like I kind of own 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.440 who I am a bit better, if that makes sense. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.000 That would be the biggest takeaway for me. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.800 It's just like that self growth of like becoming a 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.840 stronger woman and more confident and yeah, just not shying 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.120 away from putting myself out there for opportunities. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.440 I love that for you. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.320 I think that's great, you know, I think it's quite amazing, 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.680 quite lovely to hear. How long did it take for 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.080 you to shake this game? I mean when you return 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.560 to the real world. Did take you a long time 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.560 to sort of go back to normal life? 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:54.040 Yeah? 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.800 It just it honestly felt like such a blur. I 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.200 feel like when I got back, I went straight into 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.240 work for a few weeks, it was a time of 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.439 the past because I was just so consumed of what 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.040 I was doing. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.080 And then as the ads started coming out. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.159 I was like, oh, yes, this is happening, Like I 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.800 almost forgot about it for a hot minute. But I 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.720 feel like it'll leave its mark on me always, like 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.440 deep within what I've achieved and what I've done. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:19.320 I'm so proud. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.240 But life goes on and it's onto the next thing, 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.040 and you just got to keep moving forward. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.400 Something I ask everybody who joins the podcast, what's something 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.960 from behind the scenes, something that we didn't see that 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.080