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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,

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Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the twenty sixth of November. I'm

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Speaker 1: Billy fitz Simon's.

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Speaker 2: I'm Emma Gillespie.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is the last sitting week for Parliament of

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Speaker 1: the year, and it's safe to say it's a more

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Speaker 1: dramatic ending than many predicted earlier. This week One Nation

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Speaker 1: Senator Pauline Hanson walked into the Upper House wearing a

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Speaker 1: black burker. If that sounds familiar, it's because yes, it

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Speaker 1: has happened before, eight years ago. So what led to

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Speaker 1: tell you what you need to know in today's podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Billy, as you mentioned, the last sitting week for

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Speaker 2: get some thing unexpected, which has certainly happened in the

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Speaker 2: form of Pauline Hansen. But I think we should probably

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Speaker 1: Billy, Yeah, So for anyone who's not familiar with Pauline Hanson,

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Speaker 1: which is a right wing party in Australia. She is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And even though she lost her seat in the

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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson today because she did this stunt in Parliament

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Speaker 2: first a quick message from today's sponsor before we get

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Speaker 2: on with today's deep dive. Billy Pauline Hanson wanted to

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Speaker 4: Whatever our own beliefs may be, the sort of disrespect

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Speaker 1: One politician who defended Hansen was Barnaby Joyce, who is

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Speaker 2: A very interesting comment from Barnaby Joyce Billy, because as

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Speaker 2: Back to Pauline Hanson, though I know that the disruption

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Speaker 3: Dress is a matter for individual senator's conscience.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, So we have Pauline Hansen trying to table

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Speaker 2: saying that the Senate cannot resume until Pauline Hanson removes

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Speaker 3: I am pleased now to be given the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: This is not the first you've done it to me.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So no more Pauline Hanson in the Senate at

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Speaker 2: we wrap up today, Billy, the fact that this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite crazy how similar the two instances are.

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Speaker 1: the burker, she said, to demonstrate that point. It caused

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Speaker 2: Wow, a bit of deja vous there, but a fascinating

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Speaker 2: update in the Pauline Hanson story. Billy, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for explaining that to us. Thank you, and thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening to today's episode. That's all we've got

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Speaker 2: time for today, but we will be back a little

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Speaker 2: later on with your evening news headlines. Until then, have

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