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Speaker 1: And Amanda gem.

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Speaker 2: Nation from The Daily Os. Here is Emma Gillesbie and

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Speaker 2: let's talk about Mormons. Well, there's a juicy new doco.

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Speaker 3: This is part of the because just to set the

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Speaker 3: scene here, Mormon seemed to be in popular cultural a

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Speaker 3: lot at the moment. There's one of the women the

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Speaker 3: Housewives of Wherever, Salt Lake City City and Dancing with

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Speaker 3: the Stars.

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Speaker 2: There's Mormon Wives, a reality show Mormon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the tradwife movement on social media, which is

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Speaker 3: this kind of really nicely pr packaged up.

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Speaker 2: Version of Mormonism.

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Speaker 3: I suppose that goes back to the traditional family values

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Speaker 3: of you know, women making bread from scratch.

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Speaker 2: On, dressing appropriately in farm clothes. Yes, all of that.

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Speaker 3: And here we've got Heather Gay, who is a personality

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Speaker 3: from the Real Housewives of Real Housewives of Salt Lake

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Speaker 3: City here to shatter the mirage with this documentary, this

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Speaker 3: three part series called Surviving Mormonism.

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Speaker 2: Now, I thought a real housewife.

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Speaker 3: Doing an investigative series, it's going to be salacious, it's

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Speaker 3: going to be over the top, it's going to be dramatic,

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Speaker 3: and yes, it is kind of all of those things,

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Speaker 3: but it is brilliant It is so much realer than

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Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be, and it really

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Speaker 3: centers around a bunch of interviews that she does with survivors,

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Speaker 3: people who have left the church, who have their own

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Speaker 3: fascinating stories. She herself, Heather Gay, was in the Mormon Faith.

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Speaker 3: She grew up in it. She's generationally Mormon, but she

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Speaker 3: got divorced, was kind of excommunicated, and it is a

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Speaker 3: little bit about her, but it's much less about her

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Speaker 3: than I was expecting. The first episode, we hear from

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Speaker 3: this guy called David Matheson. He is referred to as

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Speaker 3: the Godfather of gay conversion therapy. He essentially pioneered gay

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Speaker 3: conversion therapy in the Mormon Faith, later came out as

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Speaker 3: gay himself. He's now in his sixties living for the

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Speaker 3: first time in his life openly as a gay man.

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Speaker 3: He's with in a long term relationship with a guy.

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Speaker 2: And denouncing gay conversion therapy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he sort of breaks down discussing all of

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Speaker 3: the shame that he carried, all the shame that he caused.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those you know, hurt people, hurt people, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: and it's incredible. Here's a little bit about what he

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Speaker 3: had to say about the kind of image of the church.

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Speaker 1: Mormonism is a cruel culture. What's weird about Mormonism is

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Speaker 1: that it's the kindest cruel culture there ever was, because

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Speaker 1: it does feel like a plushy toy on the out side,

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Speaker 1: but there's a knife in it. The younger people they're

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Speaker 1: in the church going, I can do this. The knife's okay.

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Speaker 1: The knife doesn't hurt that much, doesn't feel like abuse,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of abuses that feel like abuse.

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Speaker 2: So his story fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Then in episode two and three there is some horrific

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Speaker 3: details of child sex abuse survivors, and I guess the

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Speaker 3: through line is how the church is systematically built to

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Speaker 3: protect its image, to protect its senior leadership much more

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Speaker 3: prioritized than protecting the children. So the church is the

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Speaker 3: most important thing. The children are second to that. There's

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Speaker 3: this hotline that people in the church can call to

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Speaker 3: discuss alleged abuse, and this hotline is run by dozens

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Speaker 3: of lawyers. So the church employs a whole legal department

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Speaker 3: and they are the people that handle the alleged abuse.

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Speaker 3: There's no focus on sensitivity. It's all about, all right,

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Speaker 3: how do we protect the alleged abuser. How do we

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Speaker 3: help them to repent and move forward and make this

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Speaker 3: go away? Yes, and there is no accountability. There is

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Speaker 3: no obligation to report it on to law enforcement, to police.

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Speaker 3: It is fascinating these kind of mind control games from

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Speaker 3: a church in the US that is worth one hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty billion dollars. The Mormon faith in the US

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Speaker 3: is the fifth largest private land owner in the country. Really,

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Speaker 3: so it is a mega mega economy in and of itself.

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Speaker 3: It was just really really interesting, I think at a

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Speaker 3: time when there is so much I guess trivialization of

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Speaker 3: this church and how we're seeing it play out on

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Speaker 3: social media. I mean, I'm not suggesting that all Mormon

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Speaker 3: people are like this. I think the Australian community is

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Speaker 3: very different to the US community in Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 2: But it is fascinating. Where can we see this.

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Speaker 3: It's on Hey you, which I know you might not

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Speaker 3: have a subscription, but they have a seven day free

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Speaker 3: trial so you.

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Speaker 2: Can sign so you can watch it and then bugger

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Speaker 2: off watch Surviving Mormonism and then bugger off exactly.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they wouldn't want that campaign rule like the

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Speaker 3: other churches don't have these sort of things.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a real endorse it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: M Lesbie from the Daily Eyes