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Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledge the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia

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Speaker 1: and their connections to land, see and community. We pay

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Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Wiggle Talk, a podcast for parents. I'm Simon Price,

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Speaker 2: Simon James Price. I'm the Red Wiggle and once again

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Speaker 2: Lockie has left me. I'm flying solo and I thought,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I don't want to fly solo. I

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Speaker 2: can't talk to myself. You know, I do talk to

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Speaker 2: myself quite a bit. No like I'm doing now. My

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Speaker 2: way to work as an hour drive and I find

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Speaker 2: myself speaking out loud to myself having conversations. Anyway, that's

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about today, So I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: talk to myself. Been joined by Caterina and John. Catherine, John,

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Speaker 2: thank you for coming to wiggle Talk.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and James. I was Simon James. I was

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Speaker 3: just made me think I don't have a middle name.

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Speaker 3: Don't you do you have a midle name.

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Speaker 4: My middle name is my twin brother's name. So I'm

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Speaker 4: John Lenn He's Len John.

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Speaker 2: Just to complicate, so Lenny's Lenny's not Lenny Lenny's lenn Yes,

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Speaker 2: just call him Lenny.

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Speaker 5: It's just like Johnny. Yeah, so he's Leonard.

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Speaker 4: Is named after my dad, Leonard Leonard lenn it's honestly passport.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you're John Lennon, I'm John.

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Speaker 3: So you don't have a middle name.

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Speaker 2: Lockey doesn't either, what does he on the podcast? There

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Speaker 2: you go.

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Speaker 3: I thought I was weird, but that's good to know.

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Speaker 3: Locke's in the same boat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I spoke to a friend of mine

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Speaker 2: the other day, Brian. He asked me randomly what my

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Speaker 2: middle name was. Told him James, and he's got two

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Speaker 2: middle names. He was like, Brian Leonard Francis, he's like

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Speaker 2: a saint.

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Speaker 3: Well, when you if you're a Catholic and you get confirmed,

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Speaker 3: you get a saint name yours. Well, I chose Joseph.

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Speaker 3: You get to do Actually I wanted Josephine, but there's

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Speaker 3: no Saint Josephine. Well there wasn't at the time, so

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Speaker 3: I had to have Joseph. So my confirmation name is

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Speaker 3: Joseph Joseph.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so is there a Josephine?

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Speaker 3: Now? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Actually, do they add saints.

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Speaker 3: I think they do, but I think it's quite a process. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like there's a lot they have to do. But I

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Speaker 3: don't know if there's a I could be wrong. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I didn't reap do my research, and.

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Speaker 2: They might be Dolly and Gig and Henry. Are they

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Speaker 2: being baptized?

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Speaker 3: And yes, my girls. But I like I've baptized them Catholic.

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Speaker 3: But I'd like them to believe in something. I think

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Speaker 3: that's nice. I found it nice as a child having

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Speaker 3: something to believe in. And when they turn whatever age,

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Speaker 3: if they want to change or they don't want to

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Speaker 3: believe in anything, I'm not going to be Yeah, give

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Speaker 3: them option. But I know I felt, did you guys

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Speaker 1: I did?

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Speaker 5: No, Henry was baptized too.

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Speaker 4: You know, baptism day, you got a few other families

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Speaker 4: standing up with the front, and every other child was

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Speaker 4: Henry was screaming and we had to bring a book

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Speaker 5: Put him in the water.

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Speaker 4: Let's get out of here. We're standing up there for

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Speaker 4: a good half an hour. It's got like three hours sweating.

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Speaker 3: Sat My girls were too and I had did the

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Speaker 3: timing wrong. I didn't it was time for food or

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Speaker 3: other child that was getting baptized near sk So I'm like,

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Speaker 3: we have ruined there beautiful ceremony.

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Speaker 2: I assume I was baptized. I grew up Pentecostal. What's

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Speaker 2: that in the Pentecostal church? Were just speaking in tongues

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Speaker 2: and the healing and we've net This is the first

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Speaker 2: time I ever talked about religion. Maybe it's a discussion

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Speaker 2: for another time. But we're here for Dear Wiggles, so

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Speaker 2: let's get into it. Wiggle talk, talk Talk, wiggle talk.

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Speaker 5: It's Dear Wigle.

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Speaker 2: Authorized by Simon Lockeye.

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Speaker 4: So today's Dear Wiggles episode is brought to you by

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Speaker 4: Carrikere Toddler, made for happy little Tommies. So let's get

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Speaker 4: into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said that already. Let's get in Johnny, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So Dear Wiggles, this is a question from Michael. Michael says,

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Speaker 2: I've got two year old twins and I'm finding it

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Speaker 2: that comparison spiral. That's an interesting dilemma from Michael. Now

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Speaker 2: you can both talk about it quite differently, because Caterina

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Speaker 2: you've got twin girls, and Johnny you are a twin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, I can understand Michael, because yeah,

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Speaker 3: to other people, because sometimes they might say which twin

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Speaker 3: and think, well, hang on a minute, if if it

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Speaker 3: was one child, you'd never compare it with another chilt

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Speaker 3: well generally speaking, but you sort of do. And perhaps

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Speaker 3: it's just a normal reaction that you do as a

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Speaker 3: twin parent then, but you try not to. Did you

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Speaker 5: John the line?

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Speaker 4: I am sure, like my memory only goes back into

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Speaker 4: maybe preschool, but I feel like we were always compared,

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Speaker 4: not in a bad way. I didn't feel like it

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Speaker 4: think it affected me that way. I think naturally you

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Speaker 4: Because you see twins, people go twins, well, you're the

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Speaker 4: same person to ursions, like, not a clone of two people.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I bet you would hear that

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Speaker 3: so you must have heard it a lot going.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know any better. Like I've always

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Speaker 2: I heard you the other day saying might have been

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Speaker 2: a relative talking about Dolly is the one with the

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Speaker 3: Yes, I know, and you feel like, oh, no, she

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Speaker 3: And Dolly was like maybe two hundred games bigger when

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Speaker 5: You can tell them apart could pretty easily.

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Speaker 3: Oh easily. It's only in photos when they were really small.

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Speaker 5: I don't like in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think you probably switched in the berth.

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Speaker 3: Which ones well, I remember when they were born, like

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Speaker 3: they both have this web toes? Do they their second

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Speaker 5: Really doesn't affect that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, they're walking well, they're walking.

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Speaker 5: Well if they look like.

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Speaker 3: I haven't had swimming lessons yet because I found it

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Speaker 3: But I can't so so hopefully.

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Speaker 2: Because I mean you didn't grow sim either, did you.

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Speaker 3: I can't swim at all.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say that, but I was trying to.

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Speaker 3: I have tried my whole life. I have had swimming

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Speaker 3: It was the most spooky thing.

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Speaker 3: Know, maybe it's my technique, but she yeah, And it

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Speaker 4: I would never see exactly telling you yes, and you

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Speaker 4: can't I can't swim, no, no, no, no, I can swim to

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Speaker 5: But I avoided every swimming carnival from kindergarten.

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Speaker 2: Really, so I was sick. What about Lenny did.

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Speaker 5: He exact same really? One time?

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Speaker 4: You know they make you jump in the pool to

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Speaker 4: get a point for your house at school. Yeah, he

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Speaker 4: once jumped in to get that point and I watched

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Speaker 5: I had to get rescued and well he's six or something.

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Speaker 3: But oh, you're a good swimm at those Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always swam. Yeah, an Ash, he's so good.

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Speaker 2: He swims freestyle, he's bubble breathing, he's doing that'zy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's quite incredible, but it is. You know, you can

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Speaker 2: get a false sense of swimming with toddlers. They're a

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Speaker 2: good swimm, they're doing their lessons. It doesn't actually mean

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Speaker 2: that's a whole other which we have spoken about, you know,

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Speaker 2: I freak out about with children, So I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm always with that Asher in the pool, never away.

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Speaker 2: So back to the twins competitive nature. So growing up, John,

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Speaker 2: were you and Lenny competitive with each other.

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Speaker 4: I think naturally we were not seriously, but we would

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Speaker 4: each other's times and things like that, and that was

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Speaker 4: with sprinters growing up, and that's how we started our

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Speaker 4: Korean athletics. But that was our form of competing. Yes,

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Speaker 4: we didn't really do anything else. Yeah, we didn't bully

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Speaker 4: each other. We didn't fund very much or you probably

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Speaker 2: I guess for Michael. With Michael's question, it's about whether

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Speaker 2: that people the comparisons people gay were, you know, who's faster,

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Speaker 5: You need to say.

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Speaker 3: It's so true, because I even noticed with my girls

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Speaker 2: Me and Mum, but they're both they're totally accepting that

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Speaker 3: To know that, yeah, exactly, these.

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Speaker 2: Comparisons might be happening, but it's not. We won't have

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Speaker 3: Look at John Lenny.

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Speaker 5: A little bit happened to Lenny.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would love to.

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Speaker 2: You need to make sure you're in the pool.

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Speaker 5: I get it in theory.

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Speaker 2: Yes, just try breathing, and.

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Speaker 5: I just want to get in there choking coffin around.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's funny. Yeah, this isn't about swimming, but it's

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Speaker 2: about twinning twins. Yeah, not swimming. So Michael, look, I

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Speaker 2: these Johnny is a wonderful example and Caterina's girls are

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Speaker 2: a wonderful example that life is going to be Okay, yes, great,

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Speaker 2: Well that's it for Deer Wiggles today.

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Speaker 3: This Dear Wiggles episode was brought to you by carry

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Speaker 3: Care Toddler Made for Happy Little Tummy.

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Speaker 2: And a big big thank you to John and Katerina

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Speaker 2: for joining us today and talking about something actually very

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Speaker 2: specific to both of you twins. And look, if you've

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Speaker 2: got a question for the Deer Wiggles segment, you can

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Speaker 2: just send us an email at Podcastthwiggles dot com dot au.

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Speaker 2: That's all for Wiggle Talk this week. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: To bye bye bye bye