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Speaker 1: Now we know the latest crime statistics. They were released

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Speaker 1: by five percent from one thousand, eight hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: the number of adults on remand has increased by eighteen percent,

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Speaker 1: from one thy one hundred and thirty six to one thousand,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty eight. Now, the Chief Minister, Lea Finocchiaro,

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Speaker 1: said the figures highlighted the effectiveness of the government's commitment

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Speaker 1: little earlier. In my experience, it can be a bit

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Speaker 1: of a dicey game using stats to highlight the effectiveness

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Speaker 1: of legislation. But I know that the Chief Minister has

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Speaker 1: said the effect of Decklan's law and its impact has

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Speaker 1: been immediate. And she joins me in the studio, Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and tier listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, what do you think that these statistics

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Speaker 1: have shown.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you're right, it's really hard visited and that's

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Speaker 3: why we've always been really clear the measure of successes

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Speaker 3: when people feel safe. But it was really important for

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Speaker 3: us to highlight this early data because it shows, with

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Speaker 3: the right laws and the right support for our police,

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Speaker 3: that we can actually make a difference in this space.

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Speaker 3: And I say that because so many of your listeners

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Speaker 3: after the horrendous decade we've had. So Declan's Law is

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Speaker 3: going really, really well. And for these stats to come

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Speaker 3: out virtually on the second anniversary of Declan's death, I

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Speaker 3: just felt so proud to have been able to deliver

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Speaker 3: this for Samara and for Declan and so and for

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Speaker 3: the community. At the end of the day, it's the

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Speaker 3: community who benefits from it. And so it is early days,

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Speaker 3: but we're seeing it moving in the right direction, and

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Speaker 3: we'll just keep going back into Parliament strengthening the laws

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Speaker 3: until we get it right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Chief Minister, you would have heard me reading

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Speaker 1: my opener just a short time ago. You know, those

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Speaker 1: numbers do sound as so the good. Unfortunately, on the weekend,

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Speaker 1: I mean, a couple of pretty horrendous incidents out of

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Speaker 1: Central Australia. One of those the domestic violence LOOK related

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Speaker 1: incident by the Look of things, a twenty four year

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Speaker 1: also had a situation we're a nineteen year old female

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Speaker 1: I mean, first off, that makes it makes me really angry,

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Speaker 1: different feelings that I feel reading those out, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it goes to show you that there is definitely still

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Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done, absolutely, and I

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Speaker 1: feel all the same things you've felt, Katie. Reading that out,

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Speaker 1: it is atrocious, appalling and unacceptable, and that's what we're saying.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's been a really good start. We've only

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Speaker 3: every time we go to Parliament. We've been doing a

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Speaker 3: little bit more, a little bit more, and this week

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Speaker 3: is the same Katie. I've got a bit more police

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Speaker 3: so we'll just keep working on it. It is our

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Speaker 3: and we've already seen some really good results with attrition.

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Speaker 3: So that is now at the lowest level since twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: We've got wonderful recruits, so many of which are locals,

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Speaker 3: So it is all coming together, and some of it

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Speaker 3: never have zero crime, but we're moving in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: We're committed to it, and we'll just keep pushing as

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Speaker 1: You did just say that this week in Parliament the

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Speaker 1: government planning to debate and past the Police Administration Amendment spill.

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Speaker 1: How is that legislation going to help domestic violence victims

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Speaker 3: This has come from police. Which is the best part

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Speaker 1: So essentially that's going to pass this week, you hope,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll pass this week, is certainly our plan, and

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister a question here from Gregin Catherine. He said, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Katie and Coke, could you please ask the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: what the juvenile bail crime stats are. There's no mention

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, you and I have spoken about this on

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Speaker 1: What about with you though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that data isn't there, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: actually sure why, so thank you to listen never for

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Speaker 3: to highlight the adult defenders rather than youth offenders. But

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Speaker 1: It's just that we see so often, like in press

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Speaker 1: How do you feel, like, do you feel as though

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Speaker 1: there is a reduction in crime at the moment. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: No, Look, and everyone's experience is different and where you

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Speaker 3: I said, there will never be zero crime, but we

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Speaker 3: not I just want people to really understand this is

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Speaker 3: and now this is new status quo. We are continuing.

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Speaker 3: So for example, I have a massive rewrite of the

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Speaker 2: Be I think introduced in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it's the end of July, Katie might

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Speaker 2: So that's huge.

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Speaker 3: Plus writing the Traffic Act, which it gained laws coming

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Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about the police force at the moment,

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. Now, in terms of his entitlements and final payment,

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Speaker 3: very well have been paid by now already, Katie, I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure. And then all those other bits and pieces

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Speaker 1: So what's the process now in terms of recruitment for

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Speaker 3: So I will not commence that process until Justice Blow

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Speaker 3: So we'll just let that take its cause I've got

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Speaker 3: no deadline for Justice Blow. He will take as long

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Speaker 1: So no recruitment's going to happen for a new commissioner

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Speaker 1: until that process has been finalized. But no real idea

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Speaker 3: No no idea about that yet. So we've obviously got

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Speaker 1: Has he got a budget?

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Finister. Last week there were revelations during

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, at the end of the day, we

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Speaker 1: When I spoke to Colin quin last week, she said

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Speaker 3: Out, Well, I think that might be borne out in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, during part of that investigation, and then ultimately when

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Speaker 3: Well, again, it's about looking at what comes next, and

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Speaker 2: But certainly, like I said, I think there's more water

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Speaker 1: The bride, but it's not something that you're planning on doing.

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Speaker 3: Today or no, Katie, No, we're focused on the job

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Speaker 1: know about? Have you gone and checked that? No?

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Speaker 3: And honestly, it's just about every day we uncover some

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Speaker 3: And I mean that's, you know, part of the charm

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Speaker 3: It's what territories wanted. And that sound focusing.

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't, Katie. I don't know if anybody else has. Well,

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Speaker 1: Right, So you won't look at whether there is a

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Speaker 3: None at this point, Katie. But again that's the Attorney

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Speaker 1: But surely if there is a reporting to that, we

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Speaker 3: which labor really bungled this type of thing. I'm not

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Speaker 3: willing to make these knee jerk type of interventionist decisions.

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Speaker 3: What I want to do is make sure the coronial

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Speaker 3: has resolved and then whatever has to happen after that.

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Speaker 3: Of course it can and will happen, Katie. But one

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Speaker 3: thing first, Chief Miness.

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Speaker 1: Through a couple of people messaging through some Katie, when

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Speaker 1: is the IKA Commissioner coming back to work?

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Speaker 3: Yes, good questions. So that remains ongoing. He remains on

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Speaker 3: leave and the what was it the inquiry or the

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Speaker 3: process that was happening, is still on foot. So again,

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Speaker 3: unfortunately I have no new information on that. It is

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Speaker 3: status quo for that one.

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Speaker 1: All right, something else I want to ask you about

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Speaker 1: this morning. I know you're pressed for time and I've

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Speaker 1: kept you for a long time. The AFL Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: in collaboration with Stadiums in North Australia and Larachie Development Corporation,

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Speaker 1: they've announced the release of the Darwin City Stadium Plan.

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Speaker 1: This plan has now been released to the public for consultation.

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Speaker 1: It includes a wide range of facility types and site options.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, do you have a preferred site look.

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Speaker 3: Katie, I haven't looked at it. It couldn't be further down

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Speaker 3: my list of priorities, I have to say. And whilst

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Speaker 3: it's good to be aspirational, the state of the territories

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Speaker 3: books and budget and debt and crime and need for

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Speaker 3: other priorities like prisons and hospitals is faster passes the

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Speaker 3: need for an AFL stadium. So people can dream and

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Speaker 3: think big and that's great, But where I live, Katie,

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Speaker 3: is in reality, and the reality is right now, we've

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Speaker 3: got plenty of other things. Any funding from you, no,

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Speaker 3: not that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: So has there been a discussion with you about the stadium. Oh?

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Speaker 2: I did get briefed on it from opposition.

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Speaker 3: I haven't since being in government, and nor would I

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Speaker 3: really engage in that. Katie's probably something for the Minister

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Speaker 3: for Sport, but it's certainly not a it's not a

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Speaker 3: pressing priority now And.

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Speaker 2: As we've been really clear to territorians, you know, this is.

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Speaker 3: About steadying the ships that we can move forward and

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Speaker 3: sure in the future, how lovely would that be?

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Speaker 2: But right now we are pretty bloody broke.

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Speaker 1: Do you want an AFL tape? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Look, all of these things are great.

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Speaker 3: Of course it would be great, but you know, I'd

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Speaker 3: like a lot of things, Katie, And what.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, I suppose, is that we just don't have

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Speaker 1: the money for it.

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Speaker 3: It's not even just the money we just don't have.

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Speaker 3: We're just not in a position sody for that at

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Speaker 3: all right now.

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Speaker 1: It kind of sounds unless it's fully funded by the

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Speaker 1: federal government, it's not something that you're going to be pushing.

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Speaker 2: Ahead or no, it won't be.

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Speaker 3: But sure the Feds can come in and drop a

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Speaker 3: billion dollars into a project like that. But again, even

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Speaker 3: if the Feds were going to stump up a billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't get it put in an AFL stadium, Katie.

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Speaker 3: There's much more economic building infrastructure that we need.

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Speaker 2: So it's just a question of priority.

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Speaker 3: But again, you do need people thinking big and looking

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Speaker 3: at those exciting possibilities down the road, and so credit

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Speaker 3: to them for doing the work.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's important people do that.

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Speaker 3: But where we sit right now is much more in

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Speaker 3: the trenches, and there's plenty of work to be done.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Leah Fanocchiaro, we better leave it there. We've

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Speaker 1: already taken up plenty of your time, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: That's all right, And people won't hear from me for

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Speaker 3: a few weeks because I'm having my first family holiday

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Speaker 3: in an extraordinary long time. First time is chief as well.

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Speaker 1: So alright, so going to be away for a couple

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Speaker 1: of ye yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I appreciate people's support and having a break.

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Speaker 1: Look, I know there's always whenever we have a leader

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Speaker 1: go and leave, people sort of ask questions and say

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Speaker 1: is that appropriate should they go and leave at this

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Speaker 1: point in time? I mean, what do you say to

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Speaker 1: anybody that's maybe questioning that at this point?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I made sure I didn't go anywhere. It's been

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Speaker 3: six months now. I worked straight through Christmas and supported

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Speaker 3: Alice Springs and all those things.

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Speaker 2: And last year was a big year for my family.

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Speaker 3: I've got little children as well, and it's just time

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Speaker 3: for me to be mum and regroup and I'll come

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Speaker 3: back from leave a better leader. You do, you know,

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Speaker 3: everyone needs to have a break, and so Jared Maylee

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Speaker 3: his deputy, will step up as acting chief and everyone

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Speaker 3: will be in good hands. The ship will continue to

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Speaker 3: sail and.

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Speaker 1: Should an emergency arise, do you come back?

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends how big the emergency is. I suppose Katie,

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Speaker 2: but let's hope not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good luck. We will talk to you again

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Speaker 1: very soon. I'll be away as well for a week,

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Speaker 1: so you won't have to worry about here, but I'll

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Speaker 1: be I'll be back, I think before you. Chief Minish

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Speaker 1: de Leah Finocchio, thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Take everyone,