1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: El Chief Minister Natasha Philes and Attorney General Chancey Paike 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: have traveled to Canberra overnight for crisis talks with the 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Prime Minister in an effort to really try to sort 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: through the situation which is unfolding and has continued to 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: unfold in Alice Springs. We also know that the report 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: ordered by the Prime Minister is going to recommend that 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Government urgently reinstate alcohol bands in Aboriginal 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: town camps around Alice Springs. The report, which has indeed 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: been prepared by Central Australia Regional Controller Darrell Anderson, has 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: been handed to Anthony Albanezi and the Northern Territory Chief Minister. Now, 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: sources have told Sky News that the report recommends the 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: NT government urgently legislate amendments to its Liquor Act to 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: impose alcohol restrictions in Central Australia, including in town camps. 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is the 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: Member for Lingiari, Marion Scrimjaw. 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Marion. 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: How are not too bad? Marian? Have you seen this 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: report this morning? 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: Unfortunately no, Katie, and so you know having it lead 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: to the media or some way making its way to 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: the media. I suppose in some ways I was a 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: bit cranky on hearing that because we've been advocating and certainly, look, 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: I think it's out there. We just need to all 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: work together to try and resolve this issue. And I think, 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 3: you know, yes, Ellas S. Franks is in the spotlight 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: at the moment, but we've got issues right across the 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 3: Northern Territory and I think it's more than just alcohol. 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: There's you know, the anti social behavior. There's a lot 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: of law and order issues and the Commonwealth does need 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: to work with the Northern Territory government in a serious 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: way and put the resources on the funding, you know, 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: the funding that is needed. There's need based funding that 34 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: has been highlighted for some time to the federal government, 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: not just to our government but previously. It's time to 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: get serious about this stuff, Katie. And let's you know, 37 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: we've just got to take the politics out of it 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: and work together to try and turn the territory around. 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: Your spot on. 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: People are fed up, you know, and your spot on 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: in the fact that you've said this is right across 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. I know that Alice Springs is in 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: the situation that they're in right now and it needs 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: to get sorted urgently. But we've got concerns right around 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: the end when it comes to domestic violence, when it 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: comes to alcohol, when it comes to you know, children 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: breaking the law and also not being in safe environments. 48 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: So there is so much that needs to be worked upon, Marion, 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: I will just take you to what, you know, what 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: is being reported about the report, sources obviously telling Sky News. 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: I know that it's on the ABC nowationally as well, 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: that the report recommends that the Northern Territory Government urgently 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: legislates amendments to its liquoraic to impose alcohol restrictions in 54 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Central Australia, including town camps. The restrictions would remain in 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: place until alcohol management plans were developed by the community 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: if they chose to opt out of these restrictions, Marion, 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: is that the right move. 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: Look with certainly a move that the health and other 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: experts were calling for some time ago. Katie, we shouldn't 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: have been dragged to this point. I think if a 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: knocked out process was put in place, so what would 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: have happened was even before the you know, the band 63 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: had you know, the stronger futures legislation had lapsed, we 64 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,839 Speaker 3: would have seen the restrictions. The Northern Territory government could 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: have legislaated like there now it's being called for. They 66 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: could have legislated to extend the restrictions, particularly in tan 67 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: Camp and I don't And it's not just Dallas Springs, 68 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: you know. I think these restrictions need to go right 69 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: across the territory so that we can start addressing some 70 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: of those critical issues that are impacting on families, on children, 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: and to make sure that we make inroads into domestic 72 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: and family violence problems across the Northern Territory. Look, I 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: know people aren't going to be happy in terms of 74 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: any form of restrictions help Katie, but we have to 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: do it. I think you can't. You can't address this 76 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: if you know alcohol is driving, you know, is one 77 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: of the main driving causes of the violence that's happening, 78 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: particularly around Alice Springs. But you know, I've seen it 79 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 3: in Darwin. I was in Darwen recently doing some stuff 80 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: in the rural area and there are problems right across 81 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: the Yea. We've just got to get on with the 82 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: job and fix this. 83 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: So Marian, you reckon that there does need to be 84 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: restrictions right across the Northern Territory if we go down 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: this path, and if we do, you know, as the 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: report recommends, have urgent legislation amendments to the liquoric to 87 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: impose alcohol restrictions in Central Australia and in town camps. 88 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: It shouldn't just be in those locations. It needs to 89 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: be right across the NTA. 90 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, and we saw recently residents in Baggett community 91 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 3: in Darwin saying we want the restrictions to start. You know, 92 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: we're not going to We don't want to go back 93 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: to what we had before. So look, there will be 94 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: the process of opting out if people after consultation, and 95 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: there has to be consultation, particularly with women and young 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: people in those communities as well, and if they choose 97 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: to opt out of the restricted zone, then there has 98 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: to be and I called for this in Federal Parliament 99 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: when I was sworn in. There has to be a 100 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: very clear harm minimization process by the way of an 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 3: alcohol management plan as to how is that community going 102 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: to manage the fallout and address alcohol abuse in those 103 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: down games. 104 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: Now, Marion, I know that you've said, you know that 105 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and federal governments need to work together 106 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: on this. But I do know that the Chief Minister 107 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: has just finished an interview in fact on Sky News 108 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: and the Northern Territory government really seemed to be digging 109 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: their heels in on this. You know, even on the 110 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: show on Monday, the Chief Minister saying that she thinks 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: that there needs to be a ballot in those town 112 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: camps you know in Central Australia before, you know, and 113 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: allowing that ballot to happen before determining whether restriction should 114 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: be in place more permanently. 115 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: Why do you think they're digging their heels in here. 116 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: Look, I think that it's I'm willing to work with 117 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: the Chief Minister and you know the Northern cherished government. 118 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: The ballot can come after Katie. I think the restrictions 119 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: need to be put back. They need to legislate immediately. 120 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: They managed to do that before Strong the futures lapsed 121 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory, which then created this opt in process. 122 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: They need to legislate have an opt out process. Now 123 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: they can hold the ballot after they put the restrictions 124 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: back in place. Under the LIQUORAC. So if a community 125 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: wants to opt out, they can go to a ballot process, 126 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: but it shouldn't be The Chief Minister should be trying 127 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: to as soon as possible get the Director of Licensing 128 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: and other people to look at how do we get 129 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: you know, the changes to the LIQUORAC. They're about to 130 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: go back into Parliament on the thirteenth. There should be 131 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: on the thirteen of February, legislation waiting to be introduced 132 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: and passed. Our urgency that those restrictions can come back 133 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: in Marion. 134 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: You know, I think that that much of what you're 135 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: saying people are going to go, Yeah, that's fair enough. 136 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: If there's going to be a ballot, it needs to 137 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: come after, you know, the legislative changes come into play. 138 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 1: If the Federal I mean, if the Northern Territory government 139 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: don't step up here and don't do that, don't have 140 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: that legislation drafted by the thirteenth of February ready to go. 141 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: Is the federal government prepared to step in? 142 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: Look, I haven't been. I haven't had any of those discussions, Katie. 143 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: I think the Prime Minister will be making it very clear. 144 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: I think to the Chief Minister that it was never 145 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: the Federal government's intention to want to come in over 146 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: the top. Yeah, but we are fearful that the numbers 147 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 3: and all of the evidence that is emerged is that 148 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: this is a critical crisis issue and we can't ignore it. 149 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that the discussions that will happen with 150 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: the Chief Minister and the Prime Minister this afternoon that 151 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: there will be consensus for the Northern Territory government to 152 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 3: legislate as we want them to do and as they 153 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: should as the elected government and not not you know, 154 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: procrastinate on this issue and you know, further delay these 155 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: reforms now. And that's I haven't even seen the report, Katie, 156 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: but I'm certainly looking forward to looking at that report, 157 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: and I'll be making sure that you know, as I've said, 158 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 3: the Lingiari electorate is the electorate that is impacted the 159 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: most and will be impacted the most by these restrictions, 160 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 3: and we need to have consultation with those communities as 161 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 3: well and to let them know what's in the report 162 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: and how that report will will roll out for those 163 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: Cawn Camp residents. 164 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: So, Mariam, from your understanding, that meeting is going to 165 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: happen this afternoon with the Prime Minister, the Chief Minister 166 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: and the Attorney General. 167 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: Yes, and that's my understanding. 168 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: CONTI, and will you have the opportunity, you know, to 169 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: have a word to the Prime Minister before then and 170 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: ensure that you know, the points that you've just made 171 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: to me are heard really loudly and clearly. 172 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: Yep. Look, I will be talking to the pmo's office 173 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: but also the Federal Minister for Indigenous Affairs to make 174 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: sure that people hear that message loud and clear to 175 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 3: what that process should be going forward. If that report 176 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: recommends that, then you know everyone should be working here 177 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: to make sure that we implement that. If it means 178 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: wide restrictions run across the charityarticularly in town camp because 179 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 3: bear in mind most of the Aboriginal communities, Katie and 180 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: the remote communities in the Northern Territory are restricted. Yeah, 181 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 3: so that hasn't changed. This is town camp in urban 182 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: centers that we need to get those restrictions. 183 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Kind Marion, as you mentioned right at the start of 184 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: this interview, you know, so much of the discussion has 185 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: been about alcohol, and rightly so, but it is not 186 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: the only issue here. You've spoken about that needs based funding. 187 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: What do you think could be happening urgently aside from 188 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: the alcohol restrictions in Central Australia, to try and sort 189 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: the issue that we've got right now with kids that 190 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: are on the streets. You know, we've all seen the 191 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: vision from earlier in the week, kids on the street 192 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: just running a mark. 193 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I think Katie, what needs to be done 194 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: and I'm hoping that that body of work gets done 195 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: as soon as possible. But there is a lot of 196 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: common funding that flows to you know, organizations but also 197 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: to the Northern Territory government for various programs. Now, for 198 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 3: whatever reason, those programs aren't effective where they're not producing 199 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: the outcomes that we should be there needs to be. 200 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: I've heard for the last six months since I've been 201 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: in this position that people are developing a matrix, they're 202 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 3: looking at this issue. Well, you know, instead of ringing 203 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: hands and people looking at this issue, this is a 204 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: body of work that is really urgent and important and 205 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: we need to have a look at where is this funding, 206 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: you know, what's happening with it and are we is 207 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: it going towards addressing you know, domestic and family violence 208 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: programs use programs we're missing. You know, there's a gaping, 209 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: great big hole, you know, right across the teritory in 210 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: chants as young people, and we need to have a 211 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: look at if young people are wandering the streets at night, 212 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: and you know there are programs aimed for those young 213 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: people to work with them, why aren't they making a difference? 214 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: And you know, we've got to stop doing the same 215 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: thing over and over again and repeating the same mistakes. 216 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 3: We've just got to start looking at innovative policy and 217 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: be more strategic and targeted so that we can get 218 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: the outcomes, Katie, instead of more talk and very little action. 219 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you'll be hard pressed to find anybody 220 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: who's listening this morning that disagrees with that. You know, 221 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: we can't keep doing the same thing over and over 222 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: and thinking that there's going to be a different outcome, 223 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I think people are so frustrated that 224 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: that seems to have been the case for really quite 225 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: some time. Marian, How are you feeling today, Loti, Are 226 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: you feeling as though this is going to be the 227 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: point where we start to see some urgent action? 228 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: Look, I hope so, Katie. I'm I'm feeling a bit 229 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: actually just all the travel and you and you know, 230 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: and I'm hearing this despair right across the Northern Territory 231 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: and we've got to do something about it, you know, 232 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 3: like and this is you know, this is Aboriginal people, 233 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: this is non Aboriginal people, it's territorians. People are despairing, 234 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: and people want to work to the solution, you know, 235 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: and become part of the solution. And that's what we 236 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: have to do. What we've got to work towards. 237 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: Marion Scrimjaw, I always appreciate your time and I appreciate 238 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: your honesty. 239 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so very much for coming on the show 240 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: this morning. 241 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: No worries, Katie, talk soon. 242 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: Thank you.