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Speaker 2: Hour two days until Share My Mood launchers at every

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Speaker 2: chemist warehouse in the country, the mental health app that

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Speaker 3: That's what the journey has been about. Woods.

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Speaker 2: But once again, in the lead up to the launch,

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Speaker 2: I am once again blindfolded because you're the head of marketing.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, my friend business.

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Speaker 5: Let's get down.

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Speaker 3: Let's get down, first marketing.

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Speaker 2: Let's get down.

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Speaker 3: Let's get down to first.

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Speaker 6: Down, Woodies week of marketing madness. The madness rolls on,

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Speaker 6: and my goodness, gracious to me, have I got an

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Speaker 6: amazing surprise for you to market the app. Honestly, you're

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Speaker 6: going to lose your mind of all the things I've done. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: this is going to lose your marvel.

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Speaker 3: When we say of all.

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Speaker 2: The things you've done, do you mean that including your

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, it's hard to top that, but trust me,

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Speaker 6: I've done it today.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to rip this off like a band aid.

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Speaker 6: A band aid on the phone right now, I have

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Speaker 6: neuro signed Sam Harris. Now here's the thing though, that

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Speaker 6: negativity that you're throwing at me right now is why

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Speaker 6: I'm going to make you jump through a few hoops

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Speaker 6: before you talk to Sam Harris, because the head of

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Speaker 6: sales at this station is also called Sam Harris. Now,

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Speaker 6: there are two phone lines. There are two phone lines

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Speaker 2: No offense to Sam Harris, the head of ours, by

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: All I want. Okay, fair enough, very political.

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Speaker 6: You can either choose Sam Harris one or Sam Harris two.

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Speaker 3: How do I know they're both not? Just Sam Harris

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Speaker 6: I promise you, I swear on my life, and I

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Speaker 3: But if you Pickwick, how do I pick just just luck?

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Speaker 6: Just say Sam Harris one or no, that's not fair,

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Speaker 6: which one it is, to be honest, the producers put

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Speaker 6: I can't believe you from sales mate. I am blowing

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Speaker 6: away away Sam, You're a champion. And then Malison, while

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Speaker 6: You've done a great job, so.

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Speaker 1: Really what he can run the show.

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Speaker 6: He's got this.

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Speaker 1: Come with me now, seriously, you can go.

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Speaker 6: You have got one of your favorite people.

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Speaker 6: Now you're actually you've got one song to prepare what

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Speaker 6: You can run the app pasted him, you can ask

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Speaker 6: I mean I don't know, yeah, because you are you

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Speaker 6: But well, I didn't really think about that. But that's

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Speaker 6: Sam Harris. And if you don't believe me, how much

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Speaker 1: Will's a big fun would be an on a misstatement.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good, Thank you, Hey Sam, how's it going?

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Speaker 5: Happy to be here?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I don't really know where to start.

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Speaker 2: About seven eight years ago, I was very depressed and

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Speaker 5: Actually some people find it anything but relieving. Yes, them

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Speaker 6: Now, I'm sorry to cut you off, Sam, but well

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Speaker 3: As Sam, we know we do have to let you go.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that you've got you're a very very

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Speaker 6: But if you do want to hear more of Sam Harris,

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Speaker 6: see more of Sam Harris. You've got an incredible app,

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Speaker 6: Sam Waking Up. I know the podcast. You've got a

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Speaker 5: We were just having some fun phone calls and we realized,

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Speaker 2: the fruit of that is is honestly a ripping chat.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely mental dot com if you want to buy and

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Speaker 3: Sam, thanks so.

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Speaker 2: Much for coming on, like honestly, man, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for you've brought in.

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Speaker 5: Tomorrow to Yeah, thanks thanks for the invitation, goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, ill put up on the show Mood podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably be tomorrow. But I think the whole chat

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Speaker 2: is also going to be the Will and Woody podcast.

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Speaker 2: If you go and hear the full chat with us

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Speaker 2: Will?

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Speaker 3: Perfect? Okay, let's go to traffic.

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Speaker 4: Hear more of the boys on the full show podcast.

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Speaker 5: You know you want to