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Speaker 1: Just a quick warning before we start that this episode

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Speaker 1: contains content that some may find distressing.

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Speaker 1: Contact the Butterfly Foundation on eighteen hundred thirty three forty

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Speaker 1: six seventy three. While Emma Jeffcote is best known as

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Speaker 1: an Australian Olympic triathlete, it was actually through surf life

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Speaker 1: After making the switch in her early twenties, Emma never

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Speaker 1: looked back, going on to win two World Cup events

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Speaker 3: While the twenty twenty one Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Which included a top ten finish, for one of the

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Speaker 1: highlights of Emma's career, they also proved some of the

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Speaker 1: hardest times of her life, with the come down from

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Speaker 1: the Games ultimately teaching her how to ask for help when.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Female Athlete Project and thanks for

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Speaker 1: pressing play on today's episode. My name is Sophie Norris

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Speaker 1: and I'm the producer here at Tea Fat. This week,

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Speaker 1: Chloe sits down with Australian triathlete Emma jeff Coat, who

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Speaker 1: opens up on the pressure faced by Olympic athletes and

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Speaker 1: her journey to overcoming comparison culture. Emma shares what it's

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Speaker 1: been like navigating the once toxic culture of endurance sport

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Speaker 1: for the next generation of triathletes. We hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this episode.

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Speaker 2: Emma jeff Coat, Welcome to The Female Athlete Project. Thanks,

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Speaker 2: it's a pleasure to be on. I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 2: to having a chat because you and I are local,

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Speaker 2: so can we bump into each other. I followed your

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Speaker 2: journey for a long time, like love what you do.

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Speaker 2: Thank you longtime fan. Oh home listener, appreciate it. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a bit about how the start to use

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Speaker 2: bender to get a bit of a Christmas. But you

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Speaker 2: went to Hamilton Island for some.

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Speaker 3: Wild competition Halton Island try. Yeah, yeah, that was in

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Speaker 3: my break. Yeah that's a weird idea of a holiday.

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Speaker 3: Hey yeah yeah, yes, get paid trip to a tropical island.

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Speaker 2: You just got to do a little trathon, Yeah, just

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Speaker 2: a little are we talking here? Sprint distance? Try?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I did the ocean some race the

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Speaker 3: back the next year. Yeah that's so it's worth going. Okay,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and then I our family has like a

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Speaker 3: so mom and dad go there for like a month

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Speaker 2: Oh, seals is beautiful. I love it.

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Speaker 3: And you get limited reception, so it forces me to

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Speaker 3: what I do. Some backgrounding that you're off your phone

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Speaker 2: Book that's chat talk that's so good for your mental health,

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Speaker 2: really really nice.

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Speaker 3: It's two weeks of a complete reset, which I feel

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's awesome. I love that. Take me back to

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Speaker 3: I mean I was always active as a kid, but

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Speaker 2: And it kind of just started snowballing because you studied nursing,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm such an advocate for athletes studying alongside training,

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Speaker 3: Like that was like your freedom.

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Speaker 3: so many and so many athletes give their whole life

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like, probably really similar to Lizzie's conversation.

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Speaker 3: going to feel good about myself. I felt like I

439
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 3: was gonna go to an Olympics and feel differently and

440
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 3: just it was going to complete part of me or

441
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 3: change how I felt about myself deep down. And I

442
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 3: woke up the next day and felt exactly the same,

443
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,360
Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, this is a bit concerning

444
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: because I don't know what else I can do.

445
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: I've gone to an Olympics.

446
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 3: And I'm still Emma. Yeah, You're like, I'm still Emma.

447
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 3: And so it's like if I don't like Emma as Emma,

448
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 3: then like I can't top this. And so it's like

449
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: going back to like working with a sports psych and

450
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 3: having open conversations where you're like, Okay, I actually really

451
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,719
Speaker 3: need to learn and learn to love who Emma is

452
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: away from what she's doing and just who she is,

453
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 3: which I think is really similar to what Lizzie tied into,

454
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: because the more you tie into your self worth to

455
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 3: what you're doing, like and it's like, how you know,

456
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 3: how many times do we hear about you set a goal,

457
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 3: you reach the goal, and it's like, where's the next one?

458
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: Because like that didn't scratch the itch. So I think

459
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: just having that period after Tokyo of really shutting things

460
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 3: down and doing the work with a psych, it was

461
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: the best thing I ever did for myself. And it's

462
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: definitely like a working progress still, but I think I

463
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: just developed a lot more respect and a lot more

464
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 3: love for just who I am and what I'm able

465
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 3: to do and what I'm able to share, and how

466
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 3: I show up off the sporting field, which then means

467
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: when you go through periods of injury or when you

468
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 3: go through periods where the results aren't where I would

469
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 3: love them to be, or vice versa.

470
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 2: Like I feel like last year.

471
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: When I won the mixed team Relate World Champs, I

472
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 3: felt like that was the first time that I was

473
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 3: actually able to celebrate a race and wholeheartedly just soak

474
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 3: it up for what it was and it just felt

475
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 3: it was unreal but it's amazing.

476
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: It was unreal, but I feel.

477
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: Like it was the first time I was like this

478
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 3: is I'm just so stoked and I didn't kind of finish.

479
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: I'd be like, Okay, what's next? What are we chasing next?

480
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: And I think there's a team aspect to that too,

481
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: like it's tied in that you're winning with a team,

482
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 3: not just yourself. But yeah, I think it's such a

483
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: wider conversation around athletes and around sport. And I feel

484
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: like in the general population population, with how many people

485
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 3: were seeing dive into endurance sport, I dived into endurance

486
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: sport before it was cool guys, I had had noise

487
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 3: before all of you had had like, so that's where

488
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: it's like, I think a lot of people can relate

489
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: to that, because, yeah, there's an element to going and

490
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: doing these crazy trathons or marathons or endurance events that

491
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: do quieten things down and do give you, like that

492
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: ability to actually just be present with yourself and have

493
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: that self respect of setting a goal and working towards

494
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: it and really learning a lot about yourself along the way.

495
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that there's definitely these conversations opening

496
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: up more, and I just wish they they were around

497
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: when I needed them.

498
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got both my brothers and runners. I think

499
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: you know my younger brother they're both runners, and they

500
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: keep saying to me now that I've retired, they're like,

501
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: I can't wait for us to run a marathon together,

502
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm petrified with the headen noise, I'll

503
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: avoid that. I don't know how my body would go

504
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: butea God, just you, I feel like you'd be with

505
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: your thoughts a lot of the time and your training setting. Yeah,

506
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 2: they're long, they are long.

507
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's when people are like, I don't know

508
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 3: how you swim, you just stare at the black line.

509
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that says a lot time.

510
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the injuries you touched on some of

511
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: those that you had off the back of Tokyo. I

512
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: also have had a number of injuries my career. I

513
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: haven't had a stress fracture, but I feel like they're

514
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: ones that take a lot of time and patience. You

515
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: have to be really careful with stress fractures, which I

516
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 2: feel like adds another layer to this mental physical battle

517
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: that's already.

518
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: Dred percent and do you want to I feel like

519
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: the thing I really have struggled with stress related injuries

520
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: over the years is it an element of guilt that

521
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: comes with them, Because I feel like with tendon I

522
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: don't know knees, like I'm not well versed in them,

523
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: but I feel like it's more of an acute injury

524
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: and it's almost like, Okay, how can we learn from that?

525
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: How could be have been stronger or avoided more adaptable?

526
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: But I feel like with bone stress injuries and overuse injuries,

527
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: there's this element of Okay, you've kind of done this

528
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 3: to yourself, and I personally just have always had this

529
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: layer of guilt to those injuries, and I think a

530
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: lot of the time it's come from I deep down.

531
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: For a long time, I didn't realize, but then after

532
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: a while I did know that I wasn't looking after myself,

533
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: but just was stuck in this toxic pattern before I

534
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: kind of corrected a lot of those habits, but yeah,

535
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: it was stuck deep down and continued to still get them.

536
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 3: But I'm talking like overtraining, doing extra sessions when they're

537
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: not required, or extra k's and underfueling, and so then

538
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: you it's like this punishment because you're like, I'm working harder,

539
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm doing what I've been told, which we now know

540
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 3: is completely wrong in terms of trying to get leaner

541
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 3: and lighter and starving your body. But you're like, I'm

542
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: getting lighter, doing what I've been told to do. And

543
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 3: then you get injured and you're like, I'm just getting

544
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 3: punished but trying to be a better athlete, And there's

545
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: this element of guilt because it's like, well, you didn't

546
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 3: look after yourself. And for me, because I was in

547
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: this cycle of getting them repetitively, it was kind of

548
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: like we've done it yourself again, And it was just

549
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: so hard because you'd build back, and you'd come back

550
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: and you race and you'd break down again.

551
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: It's like when you're someone.

552
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: That uses exercise or like leans into exercises a way

553
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 3: to cope mentally, and it's it's like, oh right, it's

554
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: expression like there's yeah, exercise to so many people is

555
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: more than just moving your body, Like it's yeah, it's

556
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: the whole paradigm. And I feel like, so when you

557
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: lose that ability to go and move, it's like this

558
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: additional punishment because now you're like, Okay, well you've broken yourself.

559
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: You've got to sit with that.

560
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: And it's a really tough cycle to be and to

561
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: then start to reverse those habits.

562
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: But I yeah, I feel like I did.

563
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: And then unfortunately, it just took a lot longer for

564
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: my body to start to turn it around.

565
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't.

566
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: I lost my period for nearly ten years.

567
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

568
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that I was in the era where it

569
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 3: was told that like, don't worry about it, that's just

570
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: a good thing.

571
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: You're training. So were you not worried about that? No,

572
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: you're training hard enough.

573
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like on food plans from dieticians that were

574
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: so restrictive, like I'm talking you could have, you know,

575
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: a glass of milk after a four hour bike ride,

576
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: like ridiculously strictive.

577
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: That's not okay, no, yeah.

578
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: Like crazy and its completely it's completely changed now. Yeah.

579
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: But that's my conversation I've had with a lot of

580
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: like high performance staff in traathlon is you really need

581
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: to respect the culture that a lot of athletes have

582
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: sat in. So it's all well and good that now

583
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: we know better and now we're educating athletes better around

584
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: fueling and carbs and sitting in you know, energy overflow

585
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: or like overfueling, but it's like, well, when you've had

586
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: athletes that have been told they need to lose weight,

587
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: they're getting weight, they're getting skin folds done, they're getting

588
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: food plans that are like shockingly tiny, and there's been

589
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: comments made about their body shape. I remember being told

590
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: it'd be great if you could lose another five kilos

591
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: two weeks out from World Champs. Two way two weeks

592
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: and I went in ranked number one to that under

593
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: twenty three World Champs and I finished I don't even

594
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: know where I finished, but I didn't finish in the

595
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: top ten, and I should all like I shouldn't, I

596
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: you know, on a great day would have been hopefully

597
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: shooting for a podium. Yeah, And I remember at the

598
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: time my coach was like he couldn't put his finger

599
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: on what happened, but I hadn't said to him, well,

600
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: I'd been told to lose five kilos two weeks earlier,

601
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: so I just kind of stopped eating, you know. And

602
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: it's like you look back on that and you go

603
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: through that alone, and then it's only in hindsight that

604
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: you're like, that was so unhealthy, And I just feel

605
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: like that's where it's like, you need to respect the

606
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: context that a lot of people have sat in to

607
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 3: be able to acknowledge that to then repair it. You

608
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: can't just come in and be like, well, we're teaching

609
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: you the right way now. It's like, no, you need

610
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: to undo the damage that's been done. And I guess

611
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: give it the respect that it deserves before. It's like anything,

612
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: when you start to turn the ship the other way,

613
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: it takes a long time for it to cause correct

614
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: And that's where I found with my body. I changed

615
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: my habits twenty nineteen, but it took me two years

616
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: to get my period back. Just before I went to Tokyo Olympics,

617
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: I got it back and I literally could like overdoubled

618
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: how much I was eating in a day.

619
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

620
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't put on anyway, but I was

621
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: so petrified.

622
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: Because you're fueling your body that was doing a ridiculous

623
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: amount of work.

624
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: I remember them being like, your estrogen is that of

625
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: a mental pausal woman, and you're twenty two years like

626
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: twenty three years old, and my bone density had declined

627
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: like all these things. That that was when it clicked

628
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: with the nurse in me that I was like, holy crap.

629
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: And I was sitting there injured and they were like,

630
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: you need to correct this otherwise you're not going to

631
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: make it in the sport. And I remember making the

632
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: decision of like, Okay, I'm going to commit. I'm going

633
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: I literally do exactly what they say and genuinely commit

634
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: to it. And we cut my running. I could only

635
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 3: run like three times a week thirty kilometers.

636
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: But go figure.

637
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: By the end of the season, I one got back

638
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: up racing and won a World Cup.

639
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: Cool, like so cool.

640
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: And it was just like those little things along the

641
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: way that you were like non like, yeah, I know

642
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: what I need to do, and I chose to start

643
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: looking after myself.

644
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: I want to talk more about that and the self

645
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: advocacy piece. It's such a tricky thing as an athlete,

646
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: particularly young athlete potentially new to the sport. You might

647
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: be fighting for a contract, you might be trying to

648
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: I guess impress coaches for selection, and obviously it varies

649
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: between different types of sports and things, but it's so

650
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: difficult when you're young to push back on things like

651
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: diet plans, training plans, when you start to feel and

652
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: niggle and it's like in your guts you know your

653
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: body better than anyone else. What is that journey being

654
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: like for you? And was there a specific moment where

655
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: you really felt that shift where you're like, no, I'm

656
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: drawing a line, I'm pushing back. Yep. Definitely.

657
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: I feel like it's such an important conversation, similar to

658
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: around the Tokyo. I feel like it was another one

659
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: where I think social media can be a blessing and

660
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: a curse, and I feel like around injuries it's maybe shifting.

661
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: I feel like it's been quite a curse in that

662
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: it's almost like, again, there was this layer of shame

663
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: around being injured, and so then it was almost like Okay,

664
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm injured. How can I conceal I'm injured? How can

665
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: I try and make it so no one knows I'm injured?

666
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: And what that does is just isolate you, and so

667
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you're injured and can't do what

668
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: you love. You're mentally struggling, and then you have no

669
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: support around you from your fellow athletes because you're like, well,

670
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: I don't want my competition to know I'm injured, and

671
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: vice versa. It kind of meant that for multiple times,

672
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: like I'm knew in my gut with a lot of

673
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: these injuries, especially early days, if something wasn't right, but

674
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: you're like, I've only got to make it two more months,

675
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: I've only got to make it a few more weeks

676
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: until this race, or until this selection event, or if

677
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: I can just keep running on it. And it almost

678
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: like there's an element in part, especially when people don't

679
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 3: know what's going on under the surface, where it's like,

680
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: you know, you do get through the training session, it's

681
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: like pat on the back, nice one, and you're like, Okay,

682
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm just going to get through the next day, and

683
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: you know, I think you nailed it.

684
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: You know in your gut when something's wrong.

685
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: And I feel like it was a moment where one

686
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: of my physios said to me, and it was when

687
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: I had the stress fracture in my foot, and it

688
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 3: was kind of like I'd just gotten back to like

689
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: a good shape and was getting ready for the domestic

690
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: season post the Olympics com games with that year, so

691
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: that was the goal. And I presented with a sore foot,

692
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: and look I'd presented with it, which was a step

693
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: in the right direction with me, because the old me

694
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't have even gone to him and told him it

695
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: was sore, given we had I think comm games like

696
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: trials in maybe like four weeks time.

697
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: So that was a step in the right direction.

698
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: But I feel like what I was saying to him

699
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: in terms of how sore it was was not accurate.

700
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: I was playing it down well and truly, and I

701
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: remember him being like, we're going to send you for

702
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: a scan and we'll just see and go figure. I

703
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: had a stress fracture in my foot, but it was

704
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: literally i'd caught it within days because it almost didn't

705
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: chop in the scan. That's how early i'd caught it.

706
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: I remember him saying to me, he was like, I'm

707
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: really proud of you. And he was like, you're finally

708
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: like looking choosing to look after yourself. And he kind

709
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: of said it, am if you just continue doing the

710
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: same thing and expecting different results, that's the definition of insanity. Like,

711
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: we really need to course correct this. And I remember

712
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: he drew this kind of graph on the whiteboard and

713
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: he's a terrific physio and he was like, we want

714
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: to try and get your symptoms and what you're like

715
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: commenting to me as your physio, as your symptoms as

716
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: accurate as possible to your actual presentation, because that's when

717
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: we close that gap. That's when we're going to pick

718
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: things up, and that's how I can help you.

719
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: I love that.

720
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, how can I help you when your

721
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: actual presentation's up here and your symptoms you're presenting it

722
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: down here, Because as your symptoms get worse and worse

723
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: and worse, I'm only being able to help you weeks

724
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: and weeks down the track, and at that point when

725
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: I scan it, it's going to be real bad.

726
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love that. I never heard that before.

727
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: And it's just like that he just did it so

728
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: kindly and there wasn't you know, what he didn't. He

729
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: didn't put shame, he didn't put guilt around it. Like

730
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: I was injured, I was going to be in a boot,

731
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to raise comm games, trials and all that.

732
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: He was having to deliver that news as well. But

733
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: just the kindness he showed in explaining that and just

734
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: giving me a pat on the back of like I'm

735
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: really proud of you, it was enough for me to

736
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: be like, oh, okay, yeah wow. I'd actually have like

737
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: someone's got my back and I'm learning and it wasn't perfect,

738
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: but maybe next time I'm going to catch it better

739
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: and go figure. I did get injured the next year,

740
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: but I'd caught it like I'd managed to catch it earlier,

741
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: and I had advocated better for myself. I was the

742
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: one asking to get a scan and repeat scanning when

743
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: it showed nothing, and go figure, the repeat scan showed

744
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: bone stress when the first one showed nothing. And so

745
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: it's like old me would have been like, oh sweet

746
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: green card. Yeah, knowing deep down I knew, and my god,

747
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: I had an injury. Like you know, when you've got

748
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: a bone stress at aches and you're not able to

749
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: physically function, you can't train it one hundred percent, and

750
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 3: you mentally takes such a toll because every waking thought

751
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: is around like this sore body part that no one

752
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: else can see because I don't have X ray vision.

753
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: So that was another big turning point, kind of twelve

754
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: months on of being like wow, like look at me,

755
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: I'm actually the one being like no, I don't believe that.

756
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: I think there's something wrong. I want you to rescan it.

757
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: Kind of good on you. That isolating part is something

758
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: that I so resonate with. I think for me, like

759
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: particularly when I had back to back injuries, it wasn't

760
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: necessarily for me, I guess keeping it secret from my

761
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: competitors because I was in a team environment, but it

762
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 2: was I actually almost stopped telling my parents. Oh gosh,

763
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: I'm getting emotional talking about it, you know what I mean, Like,

764
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: stop telling my parents. I would have close friends that

765
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: had no idea that I was even injured. People would

766
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: rock up to watch me to game and I wouldn't

767
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: be playing because I hadn't told them because I was like,

768
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: I hated being that person that had another injury, and

769
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: I had that judgment that came with that.

770
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said to a physio recently, he was asking

771
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: around like how he can help athletes with an injury,

772
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: and I said, Like, the thing I struggled with the

773
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: most was this almost pity people had on me. Oh horrible,

774
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: It's awful, and you're like, I don't need your pity.

775
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to juggle with the emotions of a

776
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: roller coast, Like my identity is tied into being able

777
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: to move and that's taken away, and I'm trying to

778
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: struggle with Like I'm struggling with that. The last thing

779
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: I need is you're pity and having people look at

780
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: you like oh, and you're like yeah, it is really isolating.

781
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: And I feel like it's really tough in today's society

782
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: when you have Instagram and things like Strava, where you

783
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: have this comparison culture and it feels like, to me,

784
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: everyone's a triathlete, everyone's an endurance athlete at the minute. Yeah,

785
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: And it's like okay, well, okay, I do like thirty

786
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 3: hours a week and I don't feel like I'm doing enough.

787
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: Heaven help the people that are juggling families, full time

788
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: jobs and trying to pick up training for a marathon

789
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: and a half fire man, How are they possibly meant

790
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: to feel like what they're doing is enough because of

791
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: this comparison culture and highlight reels continually online. And then

792
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: you throw Strava in where it's like Instagram on steroids

793
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: because it's just exercise. I can't look at that thing

794
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I don't want to. Like, I go

795
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: on there and I've had a great training day and

796
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: I leave there being like, oh crap, they had a

797
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: better session than me.

798
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

799
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: Wow, And that's where it's just like it's toxic. And

800
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 3: then you throw in the fact of injuries come into play,

801
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: and it's this whole like, well, how can I maintain

802
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: perception that I'm still training because people are going to

803
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: see if my Strava's gone from running seventy k week

804
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: to none like, and then there's this whole pressure of

805
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: maintaining this image.

806
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: It's something I just have never thought about, Like, I

807
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 2: know Strava is really big and like obviously run clubs

808
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: or popped off and all that stuff, but I've never

809
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: thought about it in the context of professional athletes. So, like,

810
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: all athletes that you compete against, is everyone on Strava.

811
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 2: I reckon ninety percent or on Strava and is there

812
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: ever like would you ever make a decision to not

813
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: be so that your competitors aren't getting insight in what

814
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: you're doing?

815
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: So I put I would put maybe fifty percent on there,

816
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm not putting my key sessions on there because

817
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want people seeing yeah, might And

818
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: also it's your own coaches.

819
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: Like.

820
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: IP because it's like that coach, My coach has set

821
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: the session for me, So it's like I actually should

822
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: be asking his permission to make it public because that's

823
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: his own work.

824
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, and.

825
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: My coach is fine with everything going on Strava, but

826
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: it's more me being like I don't really want people

827
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: being able to see what my heart rate is and

828
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: what my pace is and what my power is, Like, yeah,

829
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 3: that's on because it then just adds this whole level

830
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: of pressure of like you almost go above and beyond

831
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: what the session demands to impress what Strava Like, that's

832
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: how you break down, Yeah, and that's how like taathlon

833
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: is an elite, Like we're trying to race from March

834
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 3: all the way through till September, October, November. You can't

835
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: do that if you're trying to be a hero for

836
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: Strava in February. So it's like, I feel that's a

837
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: good way for me to keep it in check. Is

838
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: like I don't feel the need to post everything on there.

839
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: But like a lot of the apps, it's like it

840
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: automatically links, so like your garment automatically sinks, your Apple

841
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 3: which automatically sinks, your bite computer automatically sinks up. Yeah,

842
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: I actually have to go on and like delete the

843
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: activity or like hide the activity because I'm like, no,

844
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: I don't want that one being sway. So, but yeah,

845
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of athletes have and good

846
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: on them, like they're fully transparent and all their trainings

847
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: up there. You can go and see everything they're doing.

848
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: It's quite bizarre. It is kind of bizarre. You You

849
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: don't really get that in many other fields.

850
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: The more you think about it, Yeah, definitely not.

851
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: I just think that whole comparison element is another layer

852
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: that you've got to manage when it comes to Yeah,

853
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: I guess just how you feel about yourself day to

854
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: day and what you're doing and knowing what your plan

855
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: is and where you are within a season, and yeah,

856
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: and then and a whole other level of complexity if

857
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: you're injured, and also just I don't want to If

858
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm injured and can't be out there exercising, last thing

859
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: I want to do is go on and just see

860
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: all these othertivities. Yeah, no, thank you.

861
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you have a very strong content game, which

862
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: we'll discuss. But there's a there's a post that I

863
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: so clearly remember you posting in the lead up to Paris,

864
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: and I just was like blown away. I think you

865
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: were calling out your teammates who are going to be

866
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: heading over to compete and saying like follow along, like

867
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: cant to watch them, and some bought them. What was

868
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: that period of time like for you and how did

869
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: you How are you in the headspace to put a

870
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: post stuff like that?

871
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. I feel like I there was two

872
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: kind of two sides to it. I feel like there

873
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: was no expectation on myself to make the team because

874
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: I'd had injuries in like twenty twenty three. Yeah, as

875
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: I said, I had a femeral stress ee. I then

876
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 3: did chose to do two rounds of IVF egg retrieval

877
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: because I knew I was going to be out from

878
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 3: training for four months with that, and then go figure

879
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: when I came back to running, my ankle was not

880
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: handling load and we looked at that and it needed

881
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: a reconstruction. So that was another three months, and then

882
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: I got a blood clot with that procedure. So yeah,

883
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: fi'ft been sentimde a blood clot?

884
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah sent me.

885
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: It's huge, Yeah and really quite scary.

886
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: Whoa. Yes.

887
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: So the whole year, literally the whole year was just wiped.

888
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: I didn't race, okay, and so that's all the selection

889
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: events done. None of the females at the time had

890
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: been racing out of their skin. So it's not like

891
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: the team was clearly kind of you know, you knew

892
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: who was going to be picked. So there's like this

893
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: tiny glimmer of hope that if you came out the

894
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: next year firing, they could be like, hey, like she's

895
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: got great past races, she's still you know, asset for X,

896
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: Y and Z reasons. And I did put some good

897
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: runs on the board, but like, I didn't raise at

898
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: the level I needed to be competing to I guess

899
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: earn selection. So come the time they were picking the team,

900
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't. It's not like I had hope, okay,

901
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: So I think that made it a bit easier. Yeah, definitely,

902
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: And I think so that's like one part to it.

903
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: The other part, though, which is what I really didn't

904
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: expect to struggle with but did, was No one kind

905
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: of prepares you, as an athlete that's been to an

906
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: Olympics who's still in their sport, to not make the

907
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: next one. Yes, it's a really hard thing to go

908
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: through and I did not see it coming. It's really

909
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: tough because you're still that's I've been to one. I

910
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: know how amazing it is. I also know how much

911
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: I would love an opportunity to go to another, to

912
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: have a different experience, and to go through an Olympics

913
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: in the space I sit now as an athlete is

914
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: something I really really would love because I just think, yeah,

915
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: it's something I would love to Who knows whether it

916
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: happens in LA but it's something that I would love

917
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: to work towards and have the opportunity to.

918
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Gosh, I really want that for you.

919
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really want it for me to. If

920
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't happen, then I've done the work and like

921
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that and the level you know, that's

922
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: where I feel like winning that World Championships at the

923
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: mixing relay last year was like to a level, it

924
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: was almost this like that's that's awesome, that's really cool,

925
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: like icing on the cake to everything I've been through

926
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: to come back to that level with teammates I've gone

927
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: through that last few years with, yeah, and who've gone

928
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: through their own individual struggles.

929
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, So I feel like.

930
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: That was hard because everyone's almost asking your take on

931
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: things as an Olympian and you're like, hey, hey, I'm

932
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: sitting in this as someone that's still in the sport

933
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: and still that's what I I work towards every single day.

934
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here juggling these emotions of I have

935
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: this sense of pride because I have been an Olympian,

936
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: but I also I am disappointed because I didn't get selected,

937
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: but also knowing that I shouldn't almost to be disappointed

938
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: because I haven't achieved the results to have earned it.

939
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: It's this mixed bag, and I guess just almost at

940
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: the time, giving myself the grace to be like, you

941
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: know what, all these things can exist at once and

942
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: I can actually be really happy for my teammates that

943
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: I know deserve to go and support them. And give

944
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: them the support I kind of wish I gave myself

945
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: or had when I went to Tokyo, which wasn't the

946
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: case of the time. The culture just probably in Tratham

947
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: wasn't at that point. So I was like, I can

948
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: show up to my values and how I want to

949
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: be as a person for them, but I can also

950
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: acknowledge the fact that I'm disappointed and I'm allowed to

951
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: be sad, and both can happen at the same time.

952
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: I honestly reckon that's such a huge realization to have

953
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: the two pole opposite the house can be true a.

954
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: While true and I yeah, like I can be so

955
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: happy for my teammates and watch them, but also be

956
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: like I was crying watching the track and it was really.

957
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: Hard to watch.

958
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're like, these are the girls I still

959
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: race against, and that's the level I want to be

960
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: competing And you can't help but put yourself in the race,

961
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: and how do you think you would have you know, gone,

962
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: I would have absolutely loved to be swimming in the

963
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: sem you know, was drama though. Yeah, I'm like the

964
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: surf athlete in me is like, that's unreal.

965
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: I would have loved it.

966
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I was watching it back home in OZ.

967
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: But I think the only silver lining I did have

968
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: that again played into those weir pool of emotions that

969
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: were all concurrent, was I'd gotten back to racing. I

970
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 3: was healthy, I'd been back in europe racing World Cups

971
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: and was consistently at the top end of them. So

972
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 3: within myself, I was really happy and proud of where

973
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: I'd gotten myself back to at that point in time,

974
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: and knew that I wasn't done with the sports. So

975
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: I was kind of excited to see the Olympics go past,

976
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: move past it, and then almost be able to step

977
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: forward into the next cycle.

978
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Let's talk about content because I

979
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: feel like you just do very just clean, consistent, like

980
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: it just all looks very nicely curated well, but I

981
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: also respect like the hustle, like content is not easy,

982
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: particularly to do it consistently. What's your what's your driver

983
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: is it? Are you doing it to build profile because

984
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: you have to commercially like or you just love doing it? Like?

985
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: What does that look like for you just love doing it? Yeah?

986
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: Great, I feel like I could be better at trying

987
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: to market it, to try to gain more like as

988
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: a brand or like I don't know, partnerships, et cetera.

989
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: I feel like I gained like following to what I've

990
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 3: similarly got now years ago just by posting me yeah

991
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: and being authentic yeah. And I feel like there's aspects

992
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: to myself that I probably didn't respect or didn't admire

993
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: about myself that I do now that probably earned me

994
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: the following and being someone that has lots of other

995
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: like I, you know, am professional traflic That's what I do,

996
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: but like Emma is like so many more other things.

997
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: You know, I've got, you know, dogs and friends and horses,

998
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: and I like to go to the pub and have

999
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: a beer with my mates, and I go on holiday

1000
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: and actually go on holiday, you know, and I'm goofy

1001
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: and I have no problem in posting all of that.

1002
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: And I just think that then is authentic and people

1003
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 3: relate to that because they see kind of they don't

1004
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: just have. I don't want people to just see this

1005
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: perfect image. I want people to see like the I guess,

1006
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: shortcomings in between, and the moments that just like you Hu,

1007
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: I just laugh at myself. And I think just posting

1008
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 3: that regularly is something that I just enjoy doing because

1009
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: it kind of is a connection point that you are

1010
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: able to share the journey with people along the way,

1011
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: I guess, But I think the other thing that was

1012
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: probably a bit of a challenge along the way with

1013
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: social media was coming into the sport and probably looking

1014
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: differently as a triathlete. And that's been something I've like

1015
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: grown to really embrace about myself, but it has been

1016
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: challenging over the years in that I'm, yeah, I'm not

1017
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 3: your typical looking trathlete. I am a lot more solid

1018
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: than what traditionally triathletes were, And for so long I

1019
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: tried to make myself more like hence why I just

1020
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: was underfueling and continue getting injured. And then when the

1021
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: cycle kind of flipped and I had people have conversations

1022
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: with me, it made me actually then go away do

1023
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: the work and be like my strength is my strength,

1024
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: like similar to social media, like me being Emma is

1025
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: my strength. Like I don't need to pretend to be

1026
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: perfect or pretend to be anyone else. Like people will

1027
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: show up and they follow me because they want to

1028
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: see me, not anyone else. So the more I can

1029
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: just be myself, people are going to respect that. And

1030
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: similar like the more I can just respect that this

1031
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: is my body and I've gotten myself to the top

1032
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: level of my sport and an Olympics. In this body,

1033
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: I don't need to try and shape shift into anyone else,

1034
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: and it actually just respect that my strength is my strength.

1035
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: So how can I work with that? And how can

1036
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: I make that such an asset and such a tool

1037
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 3: and such almost like like something I bring to racing

1038
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: that people like, oh, I like, I don't want to

1039
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: race her because I don't know how I'm going to

1040
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: go up against her. But yeah, I feel like that

1041
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: has kind of been a double edged sword on social

1042
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: media because it's something that I'm really proud to be

1043
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: an advocate for, but it also is something where the

1044
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: commentary over years is tough, Like people don't realize that

1045
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: like whilst I am I have grown and developed a

1046
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 3: lot more confidence around my own body shape, it's still

1047
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: something that like creeps in and periods where you do

1048
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: have those like those insecurities don't go away. So when

1049
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: people then online make comments of like you, I have

1050
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: people message being like, oh, it's so nice to have

1051
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: a bigger athlete to look up to, and like people

1052
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: message you and be like it's so nice to have

1053
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: someone that doesn't look like a triathlete doing like well,

1054
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: and you're like, so they're trying to trying to compliment me,

1055
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: but also you're like or people like the yeah, the

1056
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: amount of comments like that could run wild with it,

1057
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: like I could addslutely run well. Like I remember one

1058
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 3: time I was seeing it, like again, this is different

1059
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: to social media, but seeing a doctor for a medical

1060
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: check and he was like, you do triathlon a girl

1061
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: your size? And I was like yep. And he was like, God,

1062
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: don't you just to feel defeated running against those other girls?

1063
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, I'm one of the best

1064
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: in the country at what I do, like and he

1065
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: had a picture on his desk of him with his

1066
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 3: two daughters, and I was like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm

1067
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: not I'm gonna have to school this man. And so

1068
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: then I've gone through the appointment. He then have to

1069
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: do like it's literally a general medical check and I

1070
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: have to do a skin check. He's like, are you

1071
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 3: comfortable taking your shirt off like a girl your size?

1072
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding, And I was like you, what is happening?

1073
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did? Yeah, good?

1074
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: And I finished and he was like, oh, lovely to me,

1075
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: you are the best of your racing. I was like,

1076
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: is that your daughters and he's like, yeah, yeah, theyre

1077
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: my daughters. I'm like, I hope you never speak to

1078
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: them the way you just say that, thank you. I

1079
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: hope you never speak to them the way you've just

1080
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: spoke to me, because you've made me feel like absolute crap,

1081
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 3: Like and I represent my country and I've been to

1082
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: he had no idea. I've been to an Olympics for

1083
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: trathon and you've literally just completely judged me off my

1084
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: body shape of which you have no idea about my sport.

1085
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 3: So it's things like that where it's like I'm a

1086
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: lot stronger at advocating for myself and be able to

1087
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 3: brush it off, but it doesn't mean it still doesn't

1088
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: cut through. Absolutely, it's not completely water off a duck's back.

1089
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 3: And the same with people are like, God, you're looking good,

1090
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: and you're like, this is where it's like, you have

1091
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: no idea of the work I've done to look after

1092
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: myself with fueling. So when you're now complimenting, and these

1093
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: are people quite often that are like within not in

1094
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: a circle, but within a close enough network and it's like, Okay,

1095
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 3: well you're you know, say, I'm coming up to World Champs.

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00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: You feel the need to tell me that I'm looking

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00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: fit and looking lean. You don't have no idea that

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00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: like how that plays into like historically where you're like, well,

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00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: last time back rewine five years ago, I got total

1100
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: these five killers before World Champs. And it's like they're

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00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: the comments I don't need. Yeah, I just need to

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00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: keep doing what I'm doing because I've gotten myself back

1103
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 3: to performing at this level through looking after my I

1104
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 3: don't need you reinforcing that like the leaner I'm looking

1105
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 3: you mate, looking lean must be ready to go, you're like,

1106
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 3: And that's where it really I am so passionate about

1107
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: changing that narrative for the next generation because that's the

1108
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: last thing we need to be telling our young girls.

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Speaker 3: While we're trying to like raise generation of healthy triathletes

1110
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: and get them through periods uninjured so that they can

1111
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: just build this base to then be world champions in

1112
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: their twenties. How they going to do that is looking

1113
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: after themselves and keeping healthy. The last thing we need

1114
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: to be doing is commenting on their body shape and

1115
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: what they look like. Like we're already racing, as you know,

1116
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: I've seen your conversation with Lizzie.

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Speaker 2: It's like we're already.

1118
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: Racing in costumes. We don't need you commenting on our body, yeah,

1119
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: like ye, and I don't Yeah, I don't need you

1120
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: commenting on other girls and how they're looking, because it's

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00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: actually got nothing to do with And quite often those

1122
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: girls who you're commenting on saying they look lean, they

1123
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: look ready to go are the ones that aren't looking

1124
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 3: after themselves, the ones that actually need someone to tap

1125
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: them on the shoulder and ask if they're right, and

1126
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: actually probably check in because chances are if they're looking

1127
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: super lean, they're probably not feeling themselves well and they're

1128
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: probably running on this adrenaline cycle and they will break

1129
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: down and it's like pandemic in our sport, the amount

1130
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: of bone stress, overuse underfueling related injuries where I just think,

1131
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: all too often it's this continuation of just a toxic

1132
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: culture that still is underlying.

1133
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: And why can't it be you're looking strong? Yes? Why

1134
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: is that never the language? Yes? You know, like right,

1135
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 2: you're looking strong? Yeah, ready to go? Yeah, ready to go?

1136
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even just don't need to comment on how

1137
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: it looks probably that, yeah, But like I do it

1138
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: all the time. I catch myself doing it all the time.

1139
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: It's really hard today's society not to so I fully

1140
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: respect that. Like I can pipe up here and be like,

1141
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: don't comment on how people look, and I still catch

1142
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: myself doing it. But that rather than like, why do

1143
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: you need to comment on how someone looks? Have about it,

1144
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: just be like are you feeling for the weekend?

1145
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: Totally, I'm so.

1146
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: Excited to watch you, like yeah, And it's just like,

1147
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 3: that's so much that I've learned over time, Like gosh,

1148
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: my awareness has just grown. And that's just part of

1149
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: just being able to be vulnerable and learn along the

1150
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: way and have open conversations. So hopefully you help other

1151
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: people reflect and be like, oh that's it. Yeah, I'm

1152
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: going to take that one away with me.

1153
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Two questions I ask everyone on the podcast.

1154
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: First one is who has had the biggest impact on

1155
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: your life? Oh?

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00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: Good question. Who's had the biggest impact to me in

1157
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: my life? I would have to say it's got to

1158
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 3: be it's a really good question. Probably my early coaches.

1159
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 3: I would say my coach, my first coach in triathlon, Nick,

1160
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: He was brilliant for me. He kept me in home,

1161
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: he really valued me just being happy and healthy. He

1162
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: had really healthy conversations, and he just allowed me to

1163
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: grow up into this sport where I feel like if

1164
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 3: I had grown up in a different environment, I wouldn't

1165
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: have gone to an Olympics. I wouldn't still be in

1166
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: the sport. So I have a lot to thank for him,

1167
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: and we still have a great rapport. And the other

1168
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: one I would say is my great family friend Marty

1169
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 3: Quinn who from Dysurf Club. Still to this day he

1170
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: just has my back and whatever I do is the

1171
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: greatest thing ever. And he was the one that kind

1172
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: of gave me like that pat on the back that

1173
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 3: made me actually believe I could be an Olympic tratholt

1174
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: one day when I don't think anyone else saw that coming.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Mick and Marty, Yeah legends, they're really good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they're legends. They're just good people and they're Yeah

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00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 3: they get your back.

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00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 2: Love that. What is your favorite failure? Good one?

1179
00:54:53,600 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: My favorite failure? Oh, I've had plenty of them. I

1180
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: feel like, oh, this is gonna be so cliche, but

1181
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 3: I feel like the amount of like things I would

1182
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: deem as like a failure, aren't really a failure because

1183
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 3: I feel like every time I have a setback, I

1184
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: really strive to like sit in it for a little bit,

1185
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 3: but then learn from it and be like, Okay, let's

1186
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 3: make a plan. How can I learn from what I've

1187
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: been through, put some things in place, and come back stronger.

1188
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: And I really do put myself on the back that

1189
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: I generally always do come back stronger. So I'd say

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00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: maybe my greatest failure would be something more comical in

1191
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: terms of, oh, there was a race. I've got a

1192
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 3: handy scar on my knee that I were racing National

1193
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: championships and I just got a little bit too cocky

1194
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: and I came around the We're literally about to get

1195
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: off the bike, and I came round the last corner

1196
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 3: way too quick and just came literally flying off my bike,

1197
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 3: absolutely flying, And I, yeah, I ripped that knee to shreds. Yeah,

1198
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: I know, but I was fine. I went to Hong

1199
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: Kong Race the next weekend like there was no damage

1200
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: to it was just literally stitches. But it was a

1201
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: failure in terms of that was my ego.

1202
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: Just needing a biture.

1203
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: So I mean, I learned from that one, but that

1204
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: was just like more lighthearted where I was able to

1205
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: laugh at them be like, oh, that was entirely me

1206
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 3: just getting carried away and trying to show off.

1207
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: I love that, And that's part of.

1208
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: The sport, right, Like that's trathlon. We come off out. Yeah,

1209
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: it's an analogy for life. We're always coming off our bike.

1210
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 3: You got to get back on the bike.

1211
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. Thank you so much

1212
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: for your time today. I feel like I can very

1213
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: much see why you and Lizzi a friends. I feel

1214
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: like you're both just very lovely people. But I don't

1215
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: know just your ability to like go through all of

1216
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: these challenges, but I think just like how you've grown

1217
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: learned to advocate for yourself, but also the way that

1218
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: you articulate what you've been through is just quite amazing.

1219
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: Like I genuinely similar to what I said to Lizzie,

1220
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: Like I genuinely so loved sitting down and talking to

1221
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: so thank you for being so open and honest.

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00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: It's really nice to have a platform that you can

1223
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: have these conversations because I feel like a lot of

1224
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: the time, as I kind of touched on, you go

1225
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 3: on and have the ability to tell your story and

1226
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: people only want to hear the highlight.

1227
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: And it's really really nice.

1228
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: To be able to share a more authentic story and

1229
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: have conversation that then just hopefully opens up conversations for

1230
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: other people.

1231
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: I love that. That means a lot to hear that,

1232
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: So thank you, thanks, thanks so much for listening. If

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Speaker 2: you got something out of this episode, I would absolutely

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