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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter

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Speaker 1: and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Hello Potter Rooney Fambam. Today we have returning guests jumping

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Speaker 1: on the pod all the way from Australia. Beautiful Byron Bay, Australia.

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Speaker 1: Might I add it is Jordana Levigne and you would

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Speaker 1: know her from well from this pod. She's been on loads.

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Speaker 1: I always get her to jump on at the start

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Speaker 1: of the year to talk all things astrology. And how

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Speaker 1: exciting that she now has a book all about us

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Speaker 1: astrology that is officially out in Australia tomorrow. So it's

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Speaker 1: called All Signs Point to You Unlock your Potential with

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Speaker 1: the Wisdom of Astrology. I've read the book. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of broken down into two parts. It's really easy to digest.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun to learn about your sign, your moon sign,

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Speaker 1: your rising sign, your partner's rising sign, or your mates.

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Speaker 1: It is really fun, really easy to understand. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I sometimes find astrology a

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Speaker 1: little bit overwhelming and mathematical when you get into the

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Speaker 1: knitty gritty of it and you're starting to talk about

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Speaker 1: house placements and you're looking at the natal chart, which

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Speaker 1: is also your birth chart, and it's just an interchangeable name,

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Speaker 1: I believe, but you're looking at it and you're like,

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Speaker 1: holy smokes, this all feels like a really hard core

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Speaker 1: pythagorous math equation. It's not, and that well it is,

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Speaker 1: but you're donea makes it really simple to digest. So

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Speaker 1: I hope you love this episode. We break down astrology,

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Speaker 1: we break down the book, but again, if you're in Australia,

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Speaker 1: also in the show notes if you're in America or

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Speaker 1: somewhere else, Jordana has given me the link so that

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Speaker 1: we can buy it all over the world. So how

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Speaker 1: good Jordana. Congrats. I'm so excited to see this book flight.

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Speaker 1: It's got a beautiful cover on it. And to you

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Speaker 1: the listener, I hope you love this app. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love all things woo woo an astrology and like

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Speaker 1: all this kind of like spiritual health and personal development space.

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Speaker 1: So I hope you love this app. Geordana, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for jumping on the pod. It's always a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on. Fearless sleep failing right o,

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Speaker 1: gang hooru, big love, Hello, welcome back to the pod.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Geordana, thank you, and welcome back to your life.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen you in I know.

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Speaker 1: I was going to start this by saying, can I

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Speaker 1: have a Byron Bay update? But you just gave Matt

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Speaker 1: and I one on the Yeah, it looks rainy out

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Speaker 1: a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're having we're having apocalyptic rain today, but you

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Speaker 2: know how Byron works, the sun will be out in

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Speaker 1: Well, I've got to say your background there is giving

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Speaker 1: rainforest jungle vibes, and it's actually giving writers retreat because

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Speaker 1: I know you've got your post it notes on one side.

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Speaker 1: I'm loving this kind of I'm loving this kind of

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Speaker 1: vibe for you. I don't know, I think it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you so much. This is your

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Speaker 1: fourth time on the pod, is it not?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: I've had you on talking about I want to say,

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Speaker 1: make it happen? Would that be right.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: I think our first one was higher love. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: make it happen in higher love together. Then then you

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Speaker 2: came on and then we astrology are extraordinary twice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah two astrology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is it and oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: You've written that's about astrology, and here we are talking

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Speaker 1: about it. So, first of all, congrats. How do you feel?

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Speaker 2: I feel really great, And I have to be honest

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Speaker 2: with you, I don't always feel really great when a

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Speaker 2: book is coming out. It's very scary, but this book

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Speaker 2: feels different. I'm so excited about it, and I just

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel it's the book that people need.

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Speaker 2: And I've already sound like I'm trying to sell myself,

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Speaker 2: and I wrote it because it doesn't exist on the

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Speaker 1: Well, I have been powering through the digital version, and

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Speaker 1: just because I love you. And it's not officially out yet,

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Speaker 1: single TikTok there is about Lionsgate Portal or what's going

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Speaker 1: the gate you call that junk food astrology. Can you

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Speaker 1: break that down and explain it a bit to us. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I want to say that I love

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Speaker 2: astrology from whether it's TikTok or Instagram or reading your

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Speaker 2: horoscopes in magazines. They're what we call junk food astrology

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Speaker 2: because they're just giving you a little taste, a little tidbit,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of satiation. But they're not the heart

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Speaker 2: of astrology. And that's not to say that you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: take part in it because it's fun and I do it,

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Speaker 2: but it's having the awareness that true astrology. The kind

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Speaker 2: of astrology it can actually help you and nourish you

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Speaker 2: and expand you. Is what I like to call whole

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Speaker 2: food astrology, which is a really holistic view of it

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Speaker 2: and if we consume it, well, a really really expansive

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Speaker 2: way of looking at personal development and your own growth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love the way you reference

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Speaker 2: I don't want to take credit for that. That is

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Speaker 2: a very common thing in astrology. A lot of Carl

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Speaker 2: Jung's work is attached to what we call psychological astrology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you did credit that beautifully, I will say. But

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Speaker 1: can we talk about the book so it's called all

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Speaker 1: But yes, I know you weren't necessarily planning on writing

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Speaker 2: Well, hang on, she didn't not say that. But I

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Speaker 2: was writing a fiction book, which I'm still writing. And

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Speaker 2: I had been on holidays in Spain and I was

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Speaker 2: book into a personal development book, because the astrology books

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Speaker 2: and they're really hard to apply in a practical way

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Speaker 2: to your own life, which is how I approach every

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Speaker 3: So I had this idea and I thought, oh God,

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Speaker 2: Time to write another book. I'm trying to write this

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Speaker 2: I said what do you think? And she is a

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Speaker 3: And when she said that, I got it.

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Speaker 2: I get it because I am a student of astrology,

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Speaker 2: I practice astrology, I teach astrology, and I would agree

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Speaker 2: the books don't sell well because they're not exciting, they're

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Speaker 2: not fun. So we decided that this was a good

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Speaker 2: And I feel like I've managed to toe the line

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Speaker 1: I love it. I literally thought you must have got

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Speaker 1: some call being like Georgiana, we've got to get you

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Speaker 1: doing that. But I love that it came to you

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Speaker 1: like we're both pretty organized writers. I would describe it

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Speaker 1: you do writing courses as well. So what happened next

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Speaker 2: I do this with all my books, even before I

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Speaker 3: What if this doesn't actually work?

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Speaker 2: When you start to kind of put pen to paper

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Speaker 2: plan everything out. I get as detailed as I can.

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Speaker 2: This book, in particular was quite easy because every chapter

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Speaker 2: on a Sign follows the same struction. There's a bunch

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Speaker 2: of subheadings, which makes it very easy for my brain

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Speaker 2: I've got a real fucking gripe with love stories that

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Speaker 1: So I had no idea that there were eight phases

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Speaker 2: what that function. And then the houses, which is what

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Speaker 2: people really struggle with when it comes to astrology, tells

437
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Speaker 2: us or gives us an indication of the terrain of

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Speaker 2: our life or the area of our life where that energy.

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Speaker 3: Is going to play out for us.

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Speaker 1: You gave a good Margo Robbie example.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you like that? I don't know if

442
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Speaker 2: I remember it? Do you want to read it out?

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Speaker 2: Have you got it?

444
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Speaker 1: It was this is going off memory, but it was

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Speaker 1: like essentially, your planet is like so if your life

446
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Speaker 1: is okay, so your planet is like Margo Robbie for you. Right,

447
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Speaker 1: So if you're okay, so Jordana is Margo Robbie, your

448
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Speaker 1: planet is Margo Robbie. Your hang on what I've losen

449
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Speaker 1: my track? Here we go. Your sign is the character

450
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Speaker 1: that Margot Robbie is playing, like whether it be Harley

451
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Speaker 1: Quinn or Barbie's or.

452
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Speaker 2: Barbie very different. It's like, so whether you're Virgo or Sagittarius,

453
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Speaker 2: it's going to affect you very differently.

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Speaker 3: Margot Robbie is still the same.

455
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Speaker 2: Margot Robbie is still Venus, but let's use illuminary the sun.

456
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Speaker 2: Margot Robbie is still the Sun. But whether Margot Robbie

457
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Speaker 2: is Harley Quinn or Barbie is going to play out

458
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Speaker 2: very differently totally.

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Speaker 1: And then the houses is essentially like, is she in

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Speaker 1: barbie Land or is she.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the set where the scene is set, So is

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Speaker 2: she in the Barbie House or Barbie Land or is

463
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Speaker 2: she in the real world? And when you put her

464
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Speaker 2: in the real world that Margot Robbie as Barbie plays

465
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Speaker 2: out very differently as Margo Robbie as Barbie in Barbieland

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Speaker 2: And look, I mean.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a stretch.

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Speaker 2: That's probably not what the teachers of astrology would teach you,

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Speaker 2: but it really helped me understand.

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Speaker 1: It right totally. No, I love it. I think it's awesome.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned natal chart and I know you've explained

472
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Speaker 1: this on this podcast before, but just to like break

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Speaker 1: it down. The good thing about this book is that

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Speaker 1: if no one has any idea what a natal chart is,

475
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Speaker 1: how to read, is it a birth chart? Is it

476
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Speaker 1: the same thing? Da da da da? You know, the

477
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Speaker 1: book does break it down from day like number one,

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Speaker 1: what is a natal chart? But can you just like

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Speaker 1: briefly summarize what a natal chart is fast because it

480
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Speaker 1: is also.

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Speaker 2: Called at right. Yeah, so Americans call it a birth chart.

482
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Speaker 2: You'll also hear it called an astrology chart. I call

483
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Speaker 2: it a natal chart. It's basically a snapshot of the

484
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Speaker 2: solo system at the moment of your birth. So this

485
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Speaker 2: is why time and location of birth is really important.

486
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Speaker 2: Location is going to change the size of your houses

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Speaker 2: because they're based on the latitude and longitude of where

488
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Speaker 2: you were at that time. The time is going to

489
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Speaker 2: affect your ascendant sign, your rising sign, and the rising

490
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Speaker 2: sign determines the house placement as well. So this is

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Speaker 2: why it's really important that we say you've got to

492
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Speaker 2: know your birth time. You've got to know your location

493
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Speaker 2: of birth in order to have an accurate natal chart raading.

494
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Speaker 3: Without it, we.

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Speaker 2: Can't determine the houses, and the houses are going to

496
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Speaker 2: tell us where this all plays out.

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Speaker 3: So they're really really important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it's I think what I loved as

499
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Speaker 1: well is like natal chart, it can all get a

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Speaker 1: bit confusing, but I love the way you like completely

501
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Speaker 1: break down to the point of like, is it three

502
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Speaker 1: rings like the three yeah, can you explain them briefly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's hard.

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Speaker 2: It's hard if you don't have a chart in front

505
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Speaker 2: of you. But most natal charts will have this same

506
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Speaker 2: or similar setting. The ones I've used in the book

507
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Speaker 2: are based on the astro goold charts that I use

508
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Speaker 2: astrogolds and app that anyone can download. It is paid,

509
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Speaker 2: but it's absolutely worth it if you're interested in astrology.

510
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Speaker 2: But basically, the middle the Yeah, the middle, the center

511
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Speaker 2: ring like the inner ring is where the houses, the

512
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Speaker 2: number of the houses are. The middle ring is where

513
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Speaker 2: the planets will sit in a natal chart, and then

514
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Speaker 2: the outer ring on the outside is where the signs sit.

515
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Speaker 3: And it's really important that you can.

516
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Speaker 2: Identify where the signs sit in your chart because the

517
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Speaker 2: idea with this book is as the sun moves through

518
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Speaker 2: the signs, which is the seasons that we experience. We're

519
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Speaker 2: currently recording this in Leo season. I think it airs

520
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Speaker 2: in Virgo season. That's where the sun is and you

521
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Speaker 2: can learn a lot about yourself by tapping into that

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Speaker 2: energy when the sun is in that sign, and if

523
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Speaker 2: you know what house it's falling in, it's going to

524
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Speaker 2: tell you what part of your chart will be illuminated

525
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Speaker 2: during that season.

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Speaker 1: That makes total sense and I love that we're recording

527
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Speaker 1: this kind for you. I think in Australia be the

528
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Speaker 1: last day of lions Gate Portal today. I think it

529
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Speaker 1: closes on the twelfth.

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Speaker 3: Yes it does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, this is good juju is

532
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Speaker 1: it not?

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Speaker 2: No, I've had the wildest lions Gate portal. I've got

534
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Speaker 2: to say, have you Yeah, like in the best way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, It's fascinating. It's so funny. Like right before

536
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Speaker 1: lines like literally right before lines Gate, I was like,

537
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Speaker 1: I'm a loser. Nothing is working my way, Like I

538
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: literally was like, I was like, felt like I was

539
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Speaker 1: just bashing my head against a brick wall. And then

540
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Speaker 1: the moment, like the energy flicked into lions Gate from nothing.

541
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Speaker 1: My phone started ringing like things out of the blue. Amazing,

542
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Speaker 1: the energy literally turned completely on its head. I think

543
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Speaker 1: I had to have that little like ego death letting

544
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Speaker 1: go period right before it though, in order to receive

545
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Speaker 1: and let all that new cool stuff come in. But

546
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Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, can Linescape Portal stay open

547
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: a bit longer? Please?

548
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Speaker 2: Well, you just got to keep working with the energies. Also,

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, Lola, something I've noticed in

550
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Speaker 2: my time, sort of anecdotally, is I always have a

551
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Speaker 2: really hard season right before my birthday season. Oh and

552
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Speaker 2: so you're currently in the pre season to Virgo season,

553
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Speaker 2: and yeah, it's interesting because it's the end of a cycle,

554
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Speaker 2: right because you're having your solar return when the sun

555
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Speaker 2: returns to the time of your birth during Virgo season,

556
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Speaker 2: so right before that, you're right at the end of

557
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Speaker 2: the current solar return for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then just keep getting good. Does it get

559
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Speaker 1: good in your season?

560
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Speaker 2: Well, it's what else is going on in the chart,

561
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think so. I always think your own

562
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Speaker 2: season is a really energizing time.

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Speaker 1: For sure, it has to be for sure. But you

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Speaker 1: can see why a lot of people get really confronted

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Speaker 1: at birthdays as well, and like.

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Speaker 3: Around like I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whereas I'm like, oh, stay for celebrating me. There's

568
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Speaker 1: that sagy rising energy coming from. But I love the

569
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Speaker 1: way you talk about the three amigos and that being

570
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Speaker 1: the Sun, the moon and is sending on the rising

571
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Speaker 1: because to be honest, sometimes astrology can be a bit

572
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Speaker 1: like it's all a bit much, and if it feels

573
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Speaker 1: like some of those days I just want to like

574
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Speaker 1: tap in and learn a little bit. I'll always look

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Speaker 1: up Virgo because I'm Sun Moon Virgo, and then I'll

576
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Speaker 1: look up Saggy because I'm Saggy. You're sending, and I

577
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: can nearly always feel seen in both. But I find

578
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Speaker 1: my Sagy probably because being in La and we're in

579
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Speaker 1: like go go, Go chase dream mode. My Sagy really

580
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Speaker 1: like feels very very activated here because it's like the traveler.

581
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Speaker 1: They're exploring like new possibilities, and like all the control

582
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Speaker 1: and all of that of Virgo kind of has to go,

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Speaker 1: Like I have to work really hard to let that

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Speaker 1: pardon me go. But I guess what I'm trying to

585
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Speaker 1: say is like if you were just like dipping your

586
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Speaker 1: toe in or wanting to know a little bit more,

587
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Speaker 1: is like looking at that Sun Moon and as sending,

588
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Speaker 1: like a really nice place to start.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So, I don't know how many astrologers I'm going

590
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Speaker 2: to piss off by calling it the three Omegos because

591
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Speaker 2: I just thought that was fun. But traditionally we call

592
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Speaker 2: it the primal triad. It's the Sun, the Moon, the

593
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Speaker 2: rising sign. But yeah, I thought that the three Omegos

594
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Speaker 2: was more fun. Yeah, it's really important, and especially if

595
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Speaker 2: you're someone who's like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't really connect with my son's sign. I

597
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Speaker 3: don't feel like a Taurus.

598
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: There are so many reasons why you wouldn't, and this

599
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: is why it's really important to get a natal chart

600
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: rating if you're interested in astrology. But it might simply

601
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 2: be that you're connecting more with your moon sign or

602
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: that you're connecting more with your ascendant sign. A lot

603
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: of people do connect more with their ascendant sign because

604
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: it's the way they interact in the world, right, So

605
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people are engaging with them as that sign,

606
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: and they're choosing to engage from the space of that sign.

607
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: So I think understanding all three of them together and

608
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: how they interact with each other is really really important,

609
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: and everything else is just an adornment, you know. From there,

610
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: we move out to our Mercury, Venus, and Mars, which

611
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: you're known as the personal planets. And once you've sort

612
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Speaker 2: of nailed the understanding of your three amigos, which is

613
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: the core of who you are, then we can start

614
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Speaker 2: to look at what's going on with those personal planets

615
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: the other planets. What we call the trans personal outer

616
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: planets Satin, Jupiter, Neptune, Urinus, and Pluto. They also add

617
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: to the chart in different ways, but they're not as

618
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: important in regards to the core of your personality, which

619
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Speaker 2: is what those three amigos are telling you.

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Speaker 1: I love the way you look stick with three amigos,

621
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Speaker 1: my friend's cool. Yeah, it works and it makes it

622
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: makes such sense. I do also love the way that

623
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Speaker 1: you've written about the elements and how different signs can

624
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: fit into Like, you know, we hear the fire sign,

625
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: earth sign, water sign, air sign, and as I was

626
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Speaker 1: preparing for this, you being a Gemini, I was like,

627
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I wonder where Gemini falls into that. But it's air, right, Yeah,

628
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: you're a big thinker that tracks. That tracks getting to

629
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Speaker 1: know you like but also like as a writer as well,

630
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Like that's cerebral to me. Yeah, it's very cerebral. Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: So do you find that like the because again, the

632
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: correlation of the elements with the signs it I think

633
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: it's a really nice and kind of like digestible way

634
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: to like unpack. When you meet someone in just like

635
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: chit chatting and and they're like, you know, I'm all aries,

636
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like no shit, I can see that, you know,

637
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: or yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel when you meet someone

638
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: that's driven by fire or got a little spark that's

639
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: just regulated.

640
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: Right, it can tell you a lot about them. And

641
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: then we can also tell a lot about a person

642
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: from what elements they're lacking. So for example, I'm a

643
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: double Air with an Earth moon, I'm a Virgo moon. Yeah,

644
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: you're a double Earth with a fire rising. So for

645
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: both of us, we lack water, right, and so that's

646
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: something that we It's not to say that where the

647
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: water signs are quite emotional and sensitive and intuitive, it's

648
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: not to say when none of those things, because of

649
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: course we are human and we've had experiences and there's

650
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: other elements in the chart. But for both of us,

651
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: it's not innate for us to switch straight into the

652
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: emotional self. For me, it's about switching into the mind,

653
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: and for you it's about planning and strategizing and taking action.

654
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. If I am ever stressed, the only way

655
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: to get through it is to make plan, whether it

656
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: gets actioned or not. It's like I have to, it's

657
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: the only thing that will. I have to have a plan.

658
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: And where is Matt his moon is I believe it's

659
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: a cancer moon, and then he's rising a scorp and

660
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: he's like, you need to sit with it and feel

661
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: this with me, and I'm like, absolutely not, absolutely not.

662
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: I need to book in with my therapist. I need

663
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: to make a plan. I need to do that, and

664
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: I have to have an action list. And obviously I

665
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: usually forfeit and end up sitting with him and then

666
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: making the plan and it works out that I probably

667
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: should feel because I'm probably lacking the water. But it

668
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: is fascinating. And as I was preparing for this, I

669
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: was reading about cancer knowing that it's Matt, my partner's moon,

670
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, so it seems like you

671
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: might be a bit more nurturing than me. And he's like,

672
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: no shit. And Georgianah will know this. You've come over

673
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: dinner many a time and it's I'm never cooking, it's

674
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: always Matt. He's like the care, the nertre is. It's

675
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: just so fascinating. It's beautiful, like when you do unpack it,

676
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: especially with people that you love and have in your

677
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: world and reading your book and then kind of like

678
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: looking up and seeing the actual physical like traits in

679
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: people it's really not. It's just an I'm excited to

680
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: like to read more and to like let what I'm

681
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: learning from reading your book kind of like seep into

682
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: real life, do you know what I mean?

683
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I wanted people to get

684
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: out of it. There's ways that we can understand ourselves

685
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: ourselves through all twelve of those signs. There will be

686
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: parts of those signs that you connect with, and if

687
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: you don't, if you're rejecting the qualities of that sign,

688
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: that's also telling you something about yourself, right. And then

689
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: on top of that, we get this really beautiful insight

690
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: into the people around us and perhaps a little bit

691
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: more compassionate and understanding for what we might deem as

692
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: their weakness or they're you know, quick to fire approaches

693
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: to things or whatever it might be right, or being

694
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: overly emotional. Like I've got a friend who has a

695
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: lot of water, a lot of water, And before I

696
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: knew that about her, I was just like, why does

697
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: she take everything so personally? Why does she get upset

698
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: over everything? Like it used to drive me insane? But

699
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: then now I just have compassion for her, and I'm

700
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: extra sensitive when I'm broaching a topic with her, or

701
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: when we're talking about something knowing that she's feeling it

702
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: deeply where I'm processing it cerebrally. It's very different experience completely.

703
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: So oh, I love it. I love this. I also

704
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: love the way you talk about the mutable signs the

705
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: fixed and is it cardinal?

706
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well done, Look at you. You just like an

707
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: astrology buff Now, well.

708
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: Thanks to heye times, go out and get all signs

709
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: point to you available officially tomorrow. But I I love

710
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: it because also, like when you break down those three differences,

711
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: they track really Yeah. And you and I, Yeah, we're mutables.

712
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: We're all mutables. Yeah, yeah, which.

713
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: Is true for us, right Like you and I have

714
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: pivoted so much. We're so adaptable. We can change whenever

715
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: we need to, and we're quite fluid. Even though there's

716
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: rigidity to the virgo placements that we both have and

717
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: we like to plan and structure and organize, there is

718
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: fluidity in that. And I think we can look to

719
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: all of the modes we call them to find out

720
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: again where your strengths are and then perhaps where there

721
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: are weaknesses or laziness or complacency within the way you

722
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: move through the world.

723
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just on those street are they linked to

724
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: the times in the season. Is that happen? Yeah?

725
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean most things in astrology sort of work

726
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: like that. But the cardinal signs begin the season. So

727
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: when we say the season, I don't mean each individual season.

728
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: I mean the like solstice and the equinoxes, which are

729
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: the official weather seasons.

730
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: Or what would we call them weather seasons?

731
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the weather seasons to me, yeah yeah, and

732
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: all the times of year's season, the summer, autumns, yeah, winter, yes,

733
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Speaker 2: I don't.

734
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Speaker 3: Know why that's failing me right now.

735
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Speaker 1: I would call it a season for sure. Yeah.

736
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

737
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: So those so the summer solstice, the winter solstice, the

738
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: spring equinox, and the autumn equinox will all fall on

739
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: the cardinal signs, right. It's different for the northern and

740
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: southern hemisphere. So I'm not going to list them out

741
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: now because it's going to get very confusing for everyone.

742
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: But that's pretty much standard. And knowing that they begin

743
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: a season that they start, it tells us a lot

744
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: about the cardinal signs. Their initiators. They're leaders, they're pioneers,

745
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: they get things going right. Then we've got the fixed

746
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: signs and The fixed signs are Taurus, Scorpio, Leo, and Aquarius,

747
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: and they're a little bit more stubborn, they're a little

748
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: bit more in their ways, but they're also quite enduring.

749
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: They're also get things done because they will stick it

750
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: out right. And then we've got the mutable signs, which

751
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: are adaptable and fluid and versatile and all those times.

752
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: But sometimes it means they don't stick to the things

753
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: they're trying to do because they're onto the next thing.

754
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like a new idea. So it makes total

755
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: sense to me you being so mutable that you are

756
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: also now writing fiction because this is kind of you. Yeah,

757
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: you've sat in this personal development kind of space has

758
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: been the majority of your career, I would say, as

759
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: an author, So can you give me a little update

760
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: because I know that you writing fiction is like a

761
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: big passion of yours And yeah, I feel like I've

762
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: been lucky enough to know a little bit about it.

763
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: And I can see your post it notes stuck behind

764
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: you that I believe used to be to that I'm

765
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: pretty sure when I used to see they will into

766
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: your that's your fiction book, is it not?

767
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is my fiction book, and no one can

768
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Speaker 3: see it.

769
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: But these posters used to be very bright, and now

770
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: they've been up here for so long with the sun

771
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: beaming on them that they're losing their color.

772
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

773
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: I've been writing the fiction now for it's pushing three years,

774
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: which is just really bad. I don't have to say

775
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: I have not been writing it full time because I

776
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: wrote another book in between, and I'm running courses and

777
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: doing the podcast. But yes, I'm returning to that fiction.

778
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: I now have the support that I need behind me

779
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: to do that. And although it is again going to

780
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: be an enjoyable, fun read, it's quite a heavy topic

781
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: and so I've really just been taking my time to

782
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: be quite delicate with it. I don't want to rush it,

783
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: and I want to give it the reverence it needs

784
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: to make the impact I want it to make on people.

785
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, very different process. I was just at the

786
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: Byron Writers Festival over the weekend. Have you ever been

787
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: to Byron?

788
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: I have, but I love watching a bit of it

789
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: on your stories. I think you posted about it.

790
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: It was incredible, like it was just a bunch of

791
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: very successful authors. Candice Fox was there actually, and she

792
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: was hilarious. Oh my god, she's so funny.

793
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: So funny. Love her, so whenever I missed the Australian accent,

794
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: I go back and listen to the episode where I

795
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: interviewed her, because her accent is my favorite Ossie accent.

796
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: I have to go and listen to that episode now,

797
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: because honestly, she was so engaging. It was a lecture

798
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: on writing crime and it was her Jane Harper that

799
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: wrote The Dry and an Indigenous author who writes, I've

800
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: got to read these books as well. She writes a

801
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: police procedural set in the Northern Rivers. It's got this

802
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: main character, Kate Miller, and there's three in the series,

803
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: so I really want to read that as well.

804
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: But where was I going with this?

805
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sitting in the audience listening to these prolific

806
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: fiction writers feeling like such an impostor, you know, like

807
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: there's something about fiction that just feels next level. And

808
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: I guess it's part of the storytelling. I guess it's

809
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: part of character development and hoping at the same time

810
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: that people are not only engaged by the plot, but

811
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: they're actually taking something away from the narrative as well.

812
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: Just feels like a lot of pressure. Anyway, Hopefully I

813
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: can I agree.

814
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: With you, though I totally agree. I think fiction, I

815
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: would argue it's harder than nonfiction to write because you're

816
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: doing story theory. You know, you've got each depending on

817
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: how many characters, depending on what characters POV we the

818
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: reader are living through. Like Candice Fox has written where

819
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: she's got one like main POV and then you've got

820
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: other She's written some books where there's like eight different

821
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: POV like is and when we say PV like point

822
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: of view, so you the listen, that's not the Well, yes,

823
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: you're the listener, but when you the listener are reading

824
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: a book, you're reading it through different characters like viewpoints,

825
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: and so it is so whereas the book that I

826
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: was just talking to about the start It ends with Us,

827
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: that is now a massive movie that is all written

828
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: through Lily Blooms POV, which is who Blake Lively plays,

829
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: and you're seeing it through that person's POV view POV

830
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: the whole time, and the movie does the same thing

831
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: until one turning, but but mainly it is completely through

832
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: one character's viewpoints. So I imagine like as a fiction writer,

833
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: it is almost like it would feel like a whole

834
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: not even a different genre, it would feel like a

835
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: completely different You'd you'd be putting on a different cap

836
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: that day, you know, like it'd be a different Yeah.

837
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've written it in first person, which

838
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: is the same voice I would use for nonfiction. So

839
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: in that regard it's been quite good. But you're limited

840
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: when it's through the protagonists point of view because you

841
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: can only tell the story when they're there and what

842
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: they see and what they know, and that limits the

843
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: development of the other characters and the plot when they're

844
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: not in the scene. So yeah, look, it's been a

845
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: lot to work with. The main feedback I've gotten is

846
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: the plot is great. Everything's working really well. There was

847
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: just a few moments when my publisher was like, these

848
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: characters are too likable. I was like, Okay, I get it.

849
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: You know, you want everyone to be.

850
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: Liked, but that's not how storytelling works. So it's is, yeah,

851
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 3: rough it up a bit.

852
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, I'm excited. I'm so flip and pump for you.

853
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for you for this book. So what

854
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: happens next? Like I've asked you a lot about the

855
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Are you doing a little bit of

856
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: a press tour or are you how what's the vibe

857
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: like straining now with books? Is it all online or

858
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: is it.

859
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: It's not great the vibe when it comes to books

860
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: in Australia.

861
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: I got to say I will be.

862
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: Having a launch in my hometown of Barron Bay, which

863
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: will be really nice because I didn't launch.

864
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 3: The last book.

865
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Speaker 2: My last book came out right in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the Lismore floods. It was not a time to be celebrating,

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Speaker 2: and so I feel like I can give some energy

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Speaker 2: to this book that I wasn't able to give to

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Speaker 2: the last one, So that'll be really nice. And then

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Speaker 2: I focus really on podcasts because I just feel like there,

871
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, when we're in this sort of format, Lola,

872
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: where you can really dive deep into a book, there's

873
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: so much more value in it for the listener than

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Speaker 2: if you're doing a talk in a bookstore or a

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Speaker 2: book signing or a magazine article or you know what

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00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean. I think this is the best way for

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Speaker 2: people to really engage with the content. And also it's

878
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 2: my it's my strong suit talking. I think, oh, pods

879
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: are the best.

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00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: Pods are the best track out the rest With podcasting,

881
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: I could do it till the yeah ours come home. Yeah,

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00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: best thing ever. Well, I'm so pumped for you. To

883
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Speaker 1: the listener. The book is officially available tomorrow. Am I

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Speaker 1: saying that correct?

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Speaker 3: Or done in Australia?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So, I just want to be really clear. The book

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00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: is available in Australia from August twenty seven. If you

889
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 2: are an international listener at this stage, you can only

890
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: order it through Australia, which means the shipping is a

891
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: little bit more expensive. I'll give a link to Lola,

892
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: but the shipping at this particular bookstore is the cheapest

893
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Speaker 2: I could find. To the States. I just need to

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Speaker 2: secure that US book deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's manifest that, mate, Yeah, use your other book

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Speaker 1: to manifest it.

897
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Speaker 3: Right with my books combined?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely. And my final question is back to anyone

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Speaker 1: that's listening that might be an aspiring writer, what advice

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Speaker 1: would you have for them if if they've got like

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Speaker 1: they have that moment that you had on the plane

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00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: trip back from Spain and they're like, oh, I've got

903
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: this idea, And they may not be an author or

904
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Speaker 1: have a relationship with a publicist like you do you

905
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? They might just be like Oh,

906
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I've got this kind of dream. I don't know what

907
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: to do. What advice would you have for someone that

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Speaker 1: might want to write.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I would do is I would

910
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: get really clear on what the idea is and what

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00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: is currently available, and if there's two ways we look

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Speaker 2: at it, what are the comparable titles to A prove

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Speaker 2: that books like this cell, but b that you're offering

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Speaker 2: something that isn't currently out there. Now there's a very

915
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: fine line there because you want to do something new

916
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: and original, but we also have to prove to a

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Speaker 2: publisher that the genre or the subject or the angle cells.

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Speaker 3: It's hard.

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Speaker 2: So I would start there, have a look what's already

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00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: out there. Then I would put to gather a really

921
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Speaker 2: really thorough structure for the book, for you more so

922
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: than the publisher, just so you can convince yourself that

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Speaker 2: you know that there's an entire book in you, not

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Speaker 2: just an idea that you could probably flesh out, you know,

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Speaker 2: in five pages. And then it's about putting a really

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Speaker 2: strong proposal together. Now, every publisher in Australia has specific

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Speaker 2: proposal guidelines, so I recommend hopping on the websites of

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Speaker 2: the publishers that you're interested in and going through the

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Speaker 2: guidelines for submissions and following them to a t and

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Speaker 2: then just submit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's the best thing you can do.

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Speaker 2: We always say in Australia, like it's really important that

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Speaker 2: you have a public profile that is going to help

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Speaker 2: you get ahead with a publisher. But in saying that,

935
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Speaker 2: if you've got a really good idea and a solid delivery,

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Speaker 2: then the profile isn't the be all and end all.

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Speaker 1: It's just, yeah, it's an add on because they know

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Speaker 1: you'll hit eyeballs essentially. But like if you bought an

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Speaker 1: a good publicist that could get you on the pods

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Speaker 1: and could get you good interviews, you know there are

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Speaker 1: ways around it. I'd say, you know, absolutely, thank you,

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Speaker 1: my friend. It's been an honor to have you on

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Speaker 1: the pod. Stick around because I'm going to record a

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Speaker 1: hot Seat with you. But thank you. Giordana. Your book

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Speaker 1: is officially as of tomorrow out now. All signs point

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Speaker 1: to you in Australia. If not, if you're an Americana listener,

947
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Speaker 1: you're in the UK or anywhere else in the world,

948
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a link in the show notes

949
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: that you the listener can go and grab a cop

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Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful cover too. You must be so wrapped.

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00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: Oh thank you, yeah I am, And thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having me on again, Lawla.

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Speaker 3: It's been a treat.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll do it all over again very soon,

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Speaker 1: my friend. This is fourth, fifth one. Next We'll be right.

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Speaker 1: But thank you, thank you. You are absolutely wonderful. That's

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Speaker 1: a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo lollaberry. This potty my word

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Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

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