1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Banjelung Kalkotin woman from Gadighal country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres, 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: straight and island and nations. We pay our respects to 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: the first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday, 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: the eleventh of May. 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 3: I'm zara, I'm sam. 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: Former Pakistani Prime Minister Imraan Khan has been arrested on 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: corruption charges, sparking violent clashes between his supporters and security forces. 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 4: Huge crouds gathered outside the court in Islamabad as furious 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 4: Pakistan Terikain staff leaders and workers expressed outrage over the development. 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 4: Protests also erupted in other Pakistan cities. 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: We're going to tell you what you need to know 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: about this story in the Deep Dive, but first Sam 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: It's making headlines. 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: Opposition leader Peter Dutton will give his official reply to 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: the federal budget tonight. Dudden has already said some of 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: the spending in the budget could exacerbate inflation pressures and 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: has called some measures for cost of living relief a 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: short term fix. For more on what actually is included 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: in the budget, have a listened to yesterday's deep dive. 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: The Australian Securities and Investments Commission otherwise known as ASSEK 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: intervened with businesses over greenwashing concerns thirty five times in 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: the nine months to March this year. As a reminder, 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: greenwashing is where a business attempts to be seen as 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: more sustainable or more ethical than they actually are. ACIK 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: has issued eleven infringement notices for greenwashing so far and 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: commence court proceedings against one business. 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: Phone calls and encrypted messaging will be added to the 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: newest version of Twitter. What wonderful? What could possibly go wrong? 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: That's all we heard in an announcement from Elon Musk yesterday. 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: The updated version will allow voice and video chat between 35 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 3: users without disclosing their phone numbers, and the first version 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: of the encrypted messaging system is expected to be rolled 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: out today. 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: Finally, some good news for your Thursday. Four Aussies have 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: run from the southern tip of the US to the 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: Canadian border in under eighty days to raise funds for 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: cancer research. The four friends finished the journey on Tuesday 42 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: and round the distance of eighty marathons to cross the 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: US East Coast. They're about fifty k away from their 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars fundraising goal. Legends. The 45 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: arrest of former Pakistani Prime Minister im Uran Khan has 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: divided the nation. There's those on the one hand who 47 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: accuse him of corruption, and then on the other hand, 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: there's those who claim that he's being politically targeted or 49 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: set up. 50 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: That's quite a spectrum of opinions there. Why don't we 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: start with who Imran Khan is. 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: Khan was Pakistan's primary from twenty eighteen until last year 53 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: when he was removed from office. But we're going to 54 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: get back to that in a little bit because that 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: is the gist of this whole story. But there's a 56 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: bit of explaining before then. He was a star cricket player, 57 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: so that's why a lot of people know him, even 58 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: if they weren't following his political career. He captained Pakistan 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: to their first ever Cricket World Cup Championship back in 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two. 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: He's one of those legendary cricket players. 62 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he has had quite the career because in 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen he ran a successful election campaign on policies 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: that would fight corruption and poverty. His successful election was 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: attributed in part to his mainstream popularity of course as 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: a cricket star, but also the support that he had 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: from Pakistan's extremely powerful military establishment. And so to understand 68 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: how things are playing out now, I think you really 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 2: need to understand just how powerful that military has been 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: historically in Pakistan. Pakistan has had four military dictatorship, the 71 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: most recent of which ended in two thousand and eight, 72 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: and while the military is no longer officially in power, 73 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: the hangover of their influence is felt very strongly to 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: this day in the country. 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: So initially in Ruan Khan, when he came to power, 76 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: had the support of the military. In the military was 77 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 3: pivotal to getting him there. What went wrong? 78 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: I think the short answer here is a lot. But 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: if we go to the particulars, Khan was facing criticism 80 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: for his management of the economy. It's funny how all 81 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: of these stories just end up revolving around the economy money. 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: He was accused of eroding the nation's relationship with China, 83 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, the UAE and the IMF, all of which 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: are very important sources of financial support for Pakistan, and 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: analysts say that Pakistan's weakening economy and a perception that 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: Khan didn't respect the lawmakers or the generals who helped 87 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: him into office ultimately resulted in the military withdrawing their 88 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: aforementioned support. In April of last year, kar One was 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: ousted as PM after losing a vote of no confidence, 90 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: which you might remember is a term that we use 91 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: in our parliament as well. Basically that there was no 92 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: confidence in his leadership and so as a result he 93 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: lost his Prime ministership. He claimed that the vote was 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: part of this foreign conspiracy to depose him and tried 95 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: to dissolve the parliament to avoid the vote, but in 96 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: the end Pakistan Supreme Court actually overturned that. 97 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: What happened after the vote of no confidence, well. 98 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: The opposition took over power. But it is fair to 99 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: say that Imraan Khan did not go quietly. He held 100 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: rallies and he delivered speeches that criticized the military, the government, 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: and he was going around saying that his removal from 102 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: office was part of a US organized plot. Though he 103 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: did eventually backtrack that specific claim. These protests and then 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: one of his speeches in particular actually resulted in him 105 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: being charged under an anti terrorism law. But that is 106 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: just one in dozens of cases that have since been 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 2: brought a against Iman Khan by the now government. 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 3: So this has been ongoing saga. What led to him 109 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: being arrested this week. 110 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: As I said, there are a number of charges that 111 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: Imraan Khan is facing. There's those terrorism charges that I 112 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: spoke about before, but he's also been accused of corruption 113 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: and his arrest was actually on these corruption charges and 114 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: they relate to the transfer of land for a university 115 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: near Islamabad. Khan is being accused of giving favorable treatment 116 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: to a real estate tycoon in return for donations while 117 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: he was PM. His aides have said that the donations 118 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: were for charitable purposes and that the charges are exaggerated, 119 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: but the people bringing them have obviously said otherwise. 120 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: And we've seen some really striking footage of the arrests 121 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: itself and some subsequent protests give us a sense of 122 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: what was happening there and then. 123 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: It really is striking vision. We posted it on the 124 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: dally Os Instagram yesterday if you want to go have 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: a look. But what you can essentially see is dozens 126 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: of paramilitary troops dressed head to toe in riot control 127 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: gear and they're all surrounding Imran Khan leading him into 128 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: a black van. There are dozens of these men, all 129 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: really pushing him into the kr This arrest has led 130 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: to clashes across the country. There are some provinces that 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: have actually imposed emergency orders and of banned gatherings as 132 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: a way to quell these protests. We've already heard reports 133 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: of deaths, and there are other reports that mobile services 134 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: have been suspended and that access to social media has 135 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: been restricted. Despite crackdowns, though, we've heard that protesters have 136 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: reportedly targeted the military, breaking into the army's headquarters in 137 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: rawal Pindi and the home of the top general in Punjab, Zarah. 138 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: Let's zoom out. Now, what does Khan's arrest mean for 139 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: the country. 140 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: The concern here is that Khan's arrests will lead to 141 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: further instability in what I think is fair to say 142 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: a pretty precarious political situation already unfolding in Pakistan. There's 143 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: already been contention over the date of Pakistan's General election, 144 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: but one is due to take place at some point 145 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: this year. And I think it's important to remember there 146 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: that according to opinion polls, Imran Khan is actually Pakistan's 147 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: most popular potential leader at the moment. Well, yes, but 148 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: his party claims that the government and the military are 149 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: trying to disqualify him from the election by either putting 150 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: him in prison or assassinating him. And that claim, that 151 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: latter claim goes to something that happened at the end 152 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: of last year, when Khan was shot in the leg 153 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: in what was labeled an assassination attempt that he claims 154 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: military officials were behind. The military had issued a statement 155 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: this week saying that Khan's claims were insinuations and sensationalist 156 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: propaganda that was furthering his political agenda. And so in 157 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: that context, Khan's arrest adds fueled to a political fire 158 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: in a country which a lot of media reports have 159 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: emphasized already has nuclear power. 160 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: And there were also some terrible natural disasters in the 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: kind as well. 162 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Pakistan is already recovering from catastrophic flooding last year, 163 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: and then you couple that with this precarious economic situation. 164 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: There's the threat of bankruptcy with Pakistan dangerously low on 165 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: foreign exchange reserves and currently in negotiations with the IMF 166 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: on a bailout deal, which we have covered. 167 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: Before on the Aurrios. 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us on the Daily OS this morning. 169 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: If you learned something from today's episode, don't forget to 170 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: hit subscribe so there's a TDA episode waiting for you 171 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: every morning. 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