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Speaker 1: Jump mission with Jones and Amanda well.

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Speaker 2: As we came. As we come back from our summer break,

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Speaker 2: the leading question with friends and colleagues seems to be

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Speaker 2: did you get it? Not how's your holidays? But did

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Speaker 2: you get it? Jonesy, you got it?

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Speaker 3: I got it?

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Speaker 2: My son got it? Should we try and get it?

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Speaker 2: When's the peak coming?

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Speaker 1: Are we through it?

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Speaker 2: When will all be over? So many questions? Who better

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Speaker 2: to chat to than the smartest man we know? Infectious

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Speaker 2: disease specialist Dotor Sinjaya Sen and Yaki. Hello, doctor? How

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Good morning, Amanda? How are you going? I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm the smartest man you know?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know. The dumbbo's actually hands up here?

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Speaker 3: Who went to university? Ok? His show offs around here?

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Speaker 3: I will ask you this question, know, doctor. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of mixed messages about when we can get the

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Speaker 3: booster shot. So I had COVID and on the second

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Speaker 3: of January, I've recovered. I was about to get my

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Speaker 3: third shot that week, but I ended up getting COVID.

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Speaker 3: So they're saying some people are saying six months. Some

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Speaker 3: people are saying, as soon as you feel better, you

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Speaker 3: can get it, when do you actually get it?

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Speaker 1: The truth, Joones is somewhere in between. So generally, what

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Speaker 1: we're recommending is that once you've recovered from your COVID illness,

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Speaker 1: you know you feel fully recovered. If it might take

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks or so, then you can go

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Speaker 1: ahead and have your booster, but you should do it

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Speaker 1: within six months if that happening right.

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Speaker 2: People have been talking about going to COVID parties that

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Speaker 2: Brad Hazard, our health minister, said, everyone's going to get it.

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Speaker 2: Is it like the old days with chicken pox parties,

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Speaker 2: that let's just all get it and all get it

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Speaker 2: at once. Is there any validity to this?

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Speaker 1: Look, no, is the short answer. But you sort of

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Speaker 1: understand why people want to do this. This sort of

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Speaker 1: virus has been dictating terms to us for the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years and we just want to get a

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Speaker 1: bit of control back. The problem is, and even with

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Speaker 1: chicken pox parties and measles parties, is that things don't

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Speaker 1: always go right. Some people might get a mild episode

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Speaker 1: and get over it and have their immunity. But we

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Speaker 1: saw a twenty year old from the act who was

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Speaker 1: in Sydney who unfortunately died of COVID despite not having

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Speaker 1: any obvious risk factors. So the reality is that while

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of young people will be fine with COVID,

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Speaker 1: there are some who will do badly, and that's because

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Speaker 1: they might have an unrecognized risk factor. So to deliberately

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Speaker 1: go out and get COVID is not a good idea. Sure,

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Speaker 1: there's so much out there and you might accidentally get it,

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Speaker 1: but going out and looking for it isn't a great idea.

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Speaker 3: The other thing I've noticed with having as people say, oh,

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Speaker 3: did you get delta or omicron? Can they determine between

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Speaker 3: the difference between the two?

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Speaker 1: Look, it is very hard to The early data suggests

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Speaker 1: that with omicron you're not going to see as much

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Speaker 1: of that loss of smell, loss of taste, but the

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Speaker 1: symptoms are and the omicron you might get a profound fatigue,

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Speaker 1: but otherwise the symptoms are fairly similar in the hospital setting.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to work out and see how much omicron

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Speaker 1: and delta is in the hospital setting because we still

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Speaker 1: associate with more severe disease. So maybe some of those

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Speaker 1: younger people intensive care are more likely to have delta

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Speaker 1: than omicron. But we'll just have to see what the

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Speaker 1: data shows us.

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Speaker 2: The government says we're nearing the end. Are we where's

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Speaker 2: the peak? And is this predictable?

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Speaker 1: Look, it is very hard to work out this peak.

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Speaker 1: That the reason we think the peak is around here

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Speaker 1: is because of what we've seen in South Africa where

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Speaker 1: they sort of after three weeks of a lot of

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Speaker 1: cases they started to they peaked and they've started to

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Speaker 1: come down. But of course South Africa kind of similar

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Speaker 1: to us. They've got warm weather like we have in

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Speaker 1: like the northern Hemisphere winter, but they're also a bit different.

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Speaker 1: They've had lots of waves of omicron and people with

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Speaker 1: natural infection, low levels of immunity, younger population. But we're

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Speaker 1: working on the premise also that we've had such an

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Speaker 1: enormous burden of infection in such a short time that

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Speaker 1: like South Africa, we are likely to see a peak

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Speaker 1: around now, and the ACP it's been predicted that we've

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Speaker 1: just seen the peak in the community New South Wales.

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Speaker 1: It may have already had happened as well. The problem

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Speaker 1: is the numbers that we're hearing at the press conferences

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Speaker 1: about community cases aren't reflecting what's really out there. So

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Speaker 1: the hospitalization peaks will tell us when we've got to

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Speaker 1: that peak, and that unfortunately follows the community peak by

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Speaker 1: about ten to fourteen days. Can I ask you this.

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Speaker 2: I saw a tweet yesterday by Julian Burnside who said,

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Speaker 2: if fifty eight people died in which we lost yesterday

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Speaker 2: fifty eight people, if fifty eight people died in one

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Speaker 2: day in a car accident, or fifty eight people died

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Speaker 2: one day from meeting strawberries with needles, will the national

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Speaker 2: government just say push through? Is this the appropriate level

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Speaker 2: of alarm?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, I think it's finding the messaging is finding

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Speaker 1: that ballads are not panicking everyone, but by also showing

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Speaker 1: that there is concern. I think we're seeing that. As

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Speaker 1: you said, there's that messaging look keep calm. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time we've got this Code bround that has

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Speaker 1: been ordered in Victoria recognizing that the health system is understrained,

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Speaker 1: and that's with Omicron. It's not something we saw with

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Speaker 1: even Delta. So and there's also been a core federally

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Speaker 1: for healthcare workers in the private system to come in

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Speaker 1: a system the public system. We've never seen that before.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it is that mixture of Look,

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Speaker 1: this is a serious situation something we haven't encountered before.

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Speaker 1: But we are going to see a peak. It's going

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Speaker 1: to get better. Let's hang in there.

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Speaker 2: We spoke to the premiere yesterday and his big message

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Speaker 2: was what more can we do? We're all vaccinated, But

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Speaker 2: alongside this there is a public health message, isn't there?

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Speaker 2: And keep wearing masks, isolate yourself, don't put yourself in

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Speaker 2: dangerous positions. I feel like they're just saying, oh, we've vaccinated,

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Speaker 2: keep getting vaccinated. But there's another message too, surely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, I absolutely I agree with you. I think even

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Speaker 1: before Omicron occurred and we were looking at Christmas with

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Speaker 1: Delta and Christmas parties and gatherings and everyone close together,

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Speaker 1: the message was always going to be don't forget those

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Speaker 1: other COVID safe measures. Vaccination is such an important part

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Speaker 1: of our strategy out of COVID, but it's not the

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Speaker 1: only one. The vaccines aren't perfect in preventing infection hospitalization.

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Speaker 1: They're really good, but it's part of a bundle and

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Speaker 1: all those things you mentioned, all those other strategies we

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Speaker 1: have to keep using.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's always great to talk to you. You are

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Speaker 3: the smartest person on our show.

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Speaker 2: It's not much of a boast. I'm afraid take a

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Speaker 2: win when you get it.

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Speaker 1: I loved adding to you both. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Jonesy and Amanda's famation