WEBVTT - Pauline Hanson is being sued for hate speech

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this this is the DAILYA.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Daily OS.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 3>the first of May.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Zara, I'm sam.

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<v Speaker 3>This week, a hate speech trial against One Nation leader

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<v Speaker 3>Pauline Hanson has begun in the Federal Court.

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<v Speaker 1>A defamation trial between Deputy Green's leader Marine Ferruki and

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<v Speaker 1>One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has begun, with Australia's hate

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<v Speaker 1>speech laws expected to be put to the test.

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<v Speaker 2>Well National leader Pauline Hanson has been accused of unleashing

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<v Speaker 2>a torrent of public racist abuse against Green senator Marine Ferruki,

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<v Speaker 2>including threats against her life. The case, brought by Green

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Marine Ferruki, centers around an exchange on social media

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<v Speaker 2>following the death of Queen Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes after Hansen was accused of racially discriminating against

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<v Speaker 3>Green's deputy leader Marie Ferruki in a social media post

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<v Speaker 3>from twenty twenty two. Hanson and Faruki have both faced

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<v Speaker 3>questioning so far in the hearing, so on today's podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to explain a bit about the context of

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<v Speaker 3>the case and what could happen next before we get

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<v Speaker 3>formulated so sam this week, a hate speech trial against

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<v Speaker 3>One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has begun in the Federal Court. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>It all centers around comments that Hansen made on social

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<v Speaker 3>media back in twenty twenty two, when she was accused

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<v Speaker 3>of racially discriminating against Green's deputy leader Marine Feruki. So

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<v Speaker 3>far we've seen both Hanson and Feruki face questioning this week.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was the post that actually kicked all of

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<v Speaker 1>this off if we go right to the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 3>So in a social media post following the death of

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<v Speaker 3>Queen Elizabeth this second, you'll remember that was in September

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty two. You were on holidays. I was

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<v Speaker 3>slicsfully unaware.

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<v Speaker 1>I was away what you werewa.

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<v Speaker 3>Was sleeping anyway at that time Marine Ferruki, who as

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<v Speaker 3>I said, is a Green senator. She wrote it was

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<v Speaker 3>then on Twitter now on x saying condolences to those

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<v Speaker 3>who mourn the queen. I cannot mourn the leader of

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<v Speaker 3>a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth

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<v Speaker 3>of colonized peoples. She called for a treaty with First Nations,

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<v Speaker 3>justice and reparations for British colonies. In response, Pauline Hansen

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<v Speaker 3>told Feruiki to quote piss off back to Pakistan. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's that comment that Mariene Feruki is claiming was hate speech.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pauline Hanson fires off a tweets towards Marine Ferruki

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two. What's happened from then to now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So, shortly after the tweets were posted, Marine Ferruki

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<v Speaker 3>moved to what's called censure Pauline Hanson in the Federal Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>And essentially what a center is is a formal statement

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<v Speaker 3>disapproval of a politician's actions or policies, doesn't have any

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<v Speaker 3>legal consequences and doesn't really hold much weight. We've seen

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<v Speaker 3>a number of politicians censured and never really translates outside

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<v Speaker 3>of Parliament House.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like being told off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so Fariki urged her fellow senators to condemn Hanson's

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<v Speaker 3>quote divisive, anti migrant and racist statement, which she had

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<v Speaker 3>said unleashed an avalanche of hate. Instead, Labor and Coalition

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<v Speaker 3>senators passed a general motion at the time condemning racism

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<v Speaker 3>and discrimination in all its.

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<v Speaker 1>Forms, so she didn't really get the response from the

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament that she'd hoped for.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't, and so from their Marine Ferruki moved to

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<v Speaker 3>lodge a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission. However,

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<v Speaker 3>when Pauline Hanson refused to participate in an investigation. There,

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<v Speaker 3>Marine Fruki ended up pursuing legal action instead, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how we get to hear So Marine Feruki is arguing

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<v Speaker 3>in this legal action that Pauline Hansen engaged in unlawful

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<v Speaker 3>offensive behavior and that that is a breach of Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>racial discrimination laws. As part of this case, Ferruki has

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<v Speaker 3>also provided expert analysis of social media users responses to

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<v Speaker 3>Pauline Hanson's post.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's what Farruki is arguing in court. What

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<v Speaker 1>does Pauline Hanson say in response to all of this?

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<v Speaker 3>Pauline Hanson is denying that the tweets were made based

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<v Speaker 3>on race. Her lawyers have made two main defenses. So

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<v Speaker 3>the first is that the post is protected by fair

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<v Speaker 3>comment on a matter of public interest, so arguing there

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<v Speaker 3>that Hanson therefore had a right to make a statement

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<v Speaker 3>defending the monarchy right. The second point that her lawyers

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<v Speaker 3>are arguing is that the post is protected by an

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<v Speaker 3>implied but not an expressly stated right of political communication,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning that both Pauline Hanson and Marine Ferruki have a

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<v Speaker 3>right to engage in political debate.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Interesting, So Pauline Hanson. Ultimately, there isn't denying she

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<v Speaker 1>ever said it. I mean it's there in writing what

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<v Speaker 1>she's said.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't deny it. Yeah, millions of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So what she's saying is she was allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>say it because of those political and public interest defenses.

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<v Speaker 1>So both sides are bringing those arguments to court this week.

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<v Speaker 1>What have we heard in the court so far? So?

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<v Speaker 3>Day one started with Marine Ferruki up as a witness,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was arguing, as expected, that Pauline Hanson's tweet

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<v Speaker 3>was racist. She said that she felt like she had

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<v Speaker 3>been silenced on colonization and made to feel like she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't belong here. She said that she started experiencing racism

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<v Speaker 3>in an overwhelming way once she entered into public life.

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<v Speaker 3>In response, Hanson's lawyer, Sue chrisent Thau argued, and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>quote it here, the racism that you've experienced is far,

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<v Speaker 3>far worse than the conduct that you complain about in

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<v Speaker 3>relation to my client. Christentthu went on to claim that

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<v Speaker 3>the barrage of abuse that Feriki said she had faced

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<v Speaker 3>was actually due to her own tweet, which was described

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<v Speaker 3>by the lawyer as provocative. Fariki rejected this premise, and

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<v Speaker 3>she said that Hanson was a well known, longstanding and

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<v Speaker 3>prolific sayer of racist things.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So then Marine Feriki went off the stand in

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<v Speaker 1>Pauline Hanson then took over. What did she have to say?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So on day two, Pauline Hansen took to the

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<v Speaker 3>stand and over the course of the day she was

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<v Speaker 3>essentially just played a number of clips of comments that

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<v Speaker 3>she had made over a number of years, including in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen when she said, and I quote here, Islam

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<v Speaker 3>was a disease that people need to vaccinate themselves from.

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<v Speaker 3>So Faruki's lawyers were claiming that Hansen told her to

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<v Speaker 3>go back to where she came from because she is

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<v Speaker 3>a Muslim woman. Hanson rejected this premise and said that

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty two, when she published the tweet about

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<v Speaker 3>Marine Ferruki, she didn't know that she was Muslim. So

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<v Speaker 3>is that kind of questioning and back and forth that occurred.

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<v Speaker 3>On the second day of the hearing, Hanson spoke of

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<v Speaker 3>feeling incensed and insulted by Ferruki's tweet.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is ongoing. We'll keep everybody updated as this

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<v Speaker 1>case progresses. But Fariki brought this case against Hanson in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, what is she actually looking for here?

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<v Speaker 3>If she wins, she's asking for an apology from Pauline

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<v Speaker 3>Hanson and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in compensation

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<v Speaker 3>to be paid towards a charity. Whether or not she

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<v Speaker 3>gets that, we will have to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for taking us through that, Zara. We'll bring everybody

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<v Speaker 1>the result, perhaps in a news story when that gets

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