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Speaker 1: Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, do you think we need a clear plan

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Speaker 2: We do need a plan, of course, you know, the

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Speaker 2: government were able to prepare a plan for opening up

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Speaker 2: crickets from the Gunner government. Of course, we had seventeen

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Speaker 2: despite the fact that we had nearly fifteen thousand cases

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Speaker 2: two weeks. And not that I want to listen to

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Speaker 2: to them for two years bang on about COVID and

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Speaker 2: Now we've got people dying and everything's going berserk and

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Speaker 2: clear plan. People want to know what the most current

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Speaker 1: Look, I definitely take on board what you're saying about

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Speaker 3: We know that is unfair, Katie.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it. Wrong. No, no, wrong, sorry, no, you.

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Speaker 2: Did absolutely reject Katy one question situation question time ludicrous.

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Speaker 2: Absolute rubbish, Katie. On Monday, we asked questions in Parliament

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Speaker 1: About question time. You know that my job is to

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, And we don't know because the government

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Speaker 1: I certainly ask the Health Biniester of us, the Chief

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Speaker 2: Why so under the Emergency Act, what was always envisaged

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Speaker 3: You have to do it at law at the end

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Speaker 2: You know, this has widespread support because what have they

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Speaker 2: This is an absolute disgraceful discussion we're having.

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Speaker 2: Police use these measures as an absolute last resort, and

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Speaker 3: And if someone is spitting in the.

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Speaker 2: The number of times police use these measures speak for itself,

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Speaker 2: and we need to start backing our police men who

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Speaker 2: do a difficult job in the most horrific circumstances. They're

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Speaker 2: not walking around just restraining people because they feel like it.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah. It's been reported today by Tom Morgan at

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Speaker 1: the NT News said eyewitnesses have reportedly told the paper

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Speaker 1: that they saw the Prime Minister filming a promotional video

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Speaker 1: with Tina McFarlane on at the same time when the

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Speaker 1: memorial service was being held for the uss PIERI. Do

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Speaker 1: you think this is appropriate?

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Speaker 2: What I do know is that the Prime Minister came

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Speaker 2: Minister Andrew G. Veterans Minister Andrew G represented the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister at the uss PIY. The Prime Minister had given

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Speaker 2: last year, and of course had an important meaning about

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine, which is a very very complicated and hot

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Speaker 2: issue at the moment. If he took five minutes to

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Speaker 2: have a photo with the candidate, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: is an issue. Of course, he was there, he spoke

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Speaker 2: at our Bombing of Darwin service. He's the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: of our country and I think it's fantastic he was here.

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Speaker 1: So fair enough obviously that he did that.

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, absolutely, If he had to have a

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Speaker 2: meeting about the developments between Russia and the Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: was represented by the Federal Veterans minister at the event,

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Speaker 2: but came to the bombing of Darwin where he spoke,

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Speaker 2: where he later wreathed, where he paid commemoration and tribute.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair enough.

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Speaker 1: And film a promo video at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if he spent two minutes having a photo,

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Speaker 2: do people really expect him to rock up halfway through

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Speaker 2: a commemorative service. I mean that's not what people wouldn't

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Speaker 2: think that was appropriate either, So I think a bit

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Speaker 2: of context, this is an excellent opportunism by Labor and

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Speaker 2: you know, ten points to Gosling for seeing an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to put his name up in headlights.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that our listeners will have very differing opinions.

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Speaker 1: Lea Fanochiaro was an interesting interview. I've got to tell you.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting it to get so fiy so early,

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Speaker 1: but I'm always interesting in here is Noche

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, thank you, Take care everyone,