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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of the sit Down.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Trolope from ozopen dot Com.

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Speaker 2: And I'm viv Christie from Australian Tennis magazine and Matt.

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Speaker 2: This week we delve into the life of an award

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Speaker 2: winning tennis photographer who is currently hard at work at

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Speaker 2: Roland Garross. Tell us more about your interview with Krinjibra.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great to chat to her just before

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Speaker 1: Roland Garross qualifying started, So she's doing i think her

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Speaker 1: thirty eighth consecutive Roland Garross working for the French Tennis

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Speaker 1: Federation Photography Team. I was lucky enough for a couple

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Speaker 1: of years to work with Karin when I did some

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Speaker 1: work with the FFT. One of the best tennis photographers

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Speaker 1: in the world and has won lots of awards, and

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Speaker 1: I was very lucky to get a little bit of window,

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Speaker 1: busy period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a fascinating interview. Karinn starts by telling

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Speaker 2: us how she got started in her dream tennis career.

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Speaker 1: Can you take us back to nineteen eighty seven. What

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Speaker 1: do you remember about your first Roland Garross.

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Speaker 3: So eighty seven. I was sixteen years old, so at

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Speaker 3: this time it was very easy to buy tickets. You know,

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Speaker 3: to have a general ticket to be able to go

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Speaker 3: on nearly every court. So I bought my ticket, took

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Speaker 3: my camera with me, and I went to Onlong House.

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Speaker 3: I was living in the suburb of Paris, so I

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Speaker 3: took the train and everything. When I arrived, I remember

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Speaker 3: that I went to the corner Merojuan number one court,

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Speaker 3: who is not there anymore. I loved that court. It

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Speaker 3: was one of the best, maybe the best in the world.

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Speaker 3: And at that time, Chris Evart, Chris Evert was playing

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Speaker 3: on that court, and I was watching her and said, wow,

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Speaker 3: I like her. She's great. And at the end of

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Speaker 3: the match, I said, okay, I would like to get

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Speaker 3: an autograph from her. But I didn't know how, so

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Speaker 3: I tried to know where she was staying in Paris.

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Speaker 3: I found it. I found a hotel. I went there.

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Speaker 3: I was waiting with other people, and then she when

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Speaker 3: and then I don't know how, we started to talk

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Speaker 3: and every day more and at the end of the tournament,

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Speaker 3: I got her shoes from her last match in Rongos.

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Speaker 3: She gave me her shoes, and she gave me a

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Speaker 3: phone number in Florida, and like this, I was able

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Speaker 3: to call her like hello, this is Coren from Paris

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Speaker 3: to get tickets to go anywhere. So I went to Wimbledon,

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Speaker 3: to US Open, to Germany, and Christy gave me tickets

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Speaker 3: to enter the tournaments. That's how it started. And when

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Speaker 3: I was traveling to tournaments, I was taking pictures okay,

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Speaker 3: of players at practice on court, and I was selling

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Speaker 3: that pictures through a little how do you say in magazine?

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Speaker 3: You could put some word and say selling Diffron ten

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Speaker 3: Francs or pictures, pictures of Agacy, graph Baker, Chris Evert

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Speaker 3: and everything. And with that money I was able to travel.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it is a fantastic story. I read that even earlier,

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Speaker 1: when you were fourteen, I think you were Were you

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Speaker 1: playing tennis as a teenager and you wanted to be

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Speaker 1: a photographer? Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct. I think I started playing badly tennis

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Speaker 3: at six or seven. I spent all my weekends and

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Speaker 3: and play in a team or individual or everything. I

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Speaker 3: loved the competition, but I was not good. And my

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Speaker 3: when I was like, I think around eleven, he just

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Speaker 3: and I remember really that I went to my parents

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Speaker 3: and said, I will be a tennis photograph. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: And years after the dream came true, and yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: Because after eighty seven I was still going to school,

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Speaker 3: and he said, he told me, why don't you bring

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Speaker 3: So that's what I did in eighty seven, and my

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety, I had a phone call from Tennis Magazine saying, Colin,

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Speaker 3: September ninety. So if you want, that's for you, I say,

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Speaker 3: drove me directly to Tennis Magazine. So I started my

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Speaker 3: job at Tennis Magazine. I was nineteen years old. I

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Speaker 3: stayed there for thirty years. I learned everything with another guy,

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Speaker 3: after thirteen years, for different reasons, I really thought that's

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Speaker 3: I started to be freelance. And I'm still freelance.

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Speaker 1: And you're still freelancing. Oh, it's incredible. I love. Not

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Speaker 1: many people can say they are living their dream.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean sometimes you get bored with work

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Speaker 3: with it's hard, it's long days. But I say, please quiet,

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Speaker 3: you're living your dream. Don't forget that. That's so amazing

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Speaker 3: to be able to leave your dream. So no, I

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Speaker 3: know I'm lucky, but it didn't happen Like you know,

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Speaker 3: I push to be there. I mean I did what

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Speaker 1: Today, and you worked hard to make it happen. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't just land in your lap. I know you've done

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Speaker 1: other projects and worked in other spaces, but tennis is

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Speaker 1: your main one. So what is it about tennis that

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Speaker 3: I love the game first, and I think sports in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. What is a typical day at Roland Garris?

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Speaker 1: Like for you? When do you arrive? What are the

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Speaker 1: kinds of things you have to do? Where do you go?

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Speaker 1: What do you have to bring with you? How many

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Speaker 1: steps do you do? Like it must be a big duy.

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Speaker 3: So Roloaos is a little bit different than the other

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Speaker 3: everybody has something to do, the qualities, the practice, and

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Speaker 3: love it. It's very nice. You have to be patient. This

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Speaker 3: so I don't have to edit the pictures myself, which

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Speaker 3: is very different than the other slams. The other slams,

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I go to my

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting. I was going to ask you about

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Speaker 1: working at the other slams. What makes their unique? Do

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Speaker 1: you like them as well? Or is Roland Garross your favorite?

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Speaker 1: Like I know that the story is with slams. They

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Speaker 3: So it's not because you're Australian mad. But I love

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Speaker 3: work there. It's very easy, very easy, and it's also

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Speaker 3: I would say my favorite. My favorite one is Horus

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Speaker 3: But I love Australian Open. I like Wimbledon, even if

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Speaker 3: it's nice also. And the US Open I like it,

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Speaker 3: they are all unique and different. But I would say

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Speaker 3: Australia Open are my favorites?

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Speaker 1: Yes, well that's fantastic. I'm sure you get asked this

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Speaker 1: Also, yes, and I understand that you have won an

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Speaker 1: iconic twenty years of Rafa and the Dove photography.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, first picture is from two thousand and four,

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Speaker 3: I think. And the first memory I have of Rapha

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Speaker 3: I remember in Kibiskane two thousand and four he met

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Speaker 1: So he won an award for that book. I just

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Speaker 1: was kind of curious about how that all came to be.

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Speaker 1: And I saw that you post there's a photo of

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Speaker 3: As you understood, Rapha is my favorite in my heart.

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Speaker 3: It's more than three kilos, and it was even better

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Speaker 1: And it was yours. It's so good. I love it,

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Speaker 3: So it's one of my favorite pictures because I I

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Speaker 1: Yes, obviously you've Macro said it. You've met rafa on Nadal.

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Speaker 3: So for me, Serena is like on a stage that

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Speaker 1: Yes they recognize you and yes they get confident.

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Speaker 3: takes time to be in this little world to be

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Speaker 1: Yes, like any industry respectful. Yes. So, going back to

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the interview, you said you are living

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Speaker 3: It's not a dream, but it's it's a kind of

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Speaker 3: So I think in a few years, I don't know

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Speaker 3: And one of my dream would be to open a gallery,

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Speaker 3: So I would like one day to open a small gallery.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I saw one in Sydney. What is

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Speaker 3: In Bon Dy, there is a gallery. I don't remember

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Speaker 3: what I want to do in ten fifteen years. So

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Speaker 3: that would be nice to live in garrets, relax, play golf,

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Speaker 3: enjoy my friends, and have this gallery selling the pictures

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Speaker 3: And I have one last thing to tell you.

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Speaker 1: Oh please tell me.

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Speaker 3: We mentioned the iconic Nadad and I'm very happy to

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Speaker 3: tell you that I'm working on another iconic, iconic ferrier

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Speaker 3: will be available in October twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's coming up soon. Yes, our congratulations. That's exciting.

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Speaker 3: And that time it will be French and English, so

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Speaker 3: it would be good for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Great interview, Matt, Congratulations. Next time we stop and appreciate

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Speaker 2: a great tennis photo, we'll also think about the hard

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Speaker 1: And I was really intrigued when she talked about that

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen that, so I would recommend people to

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Speaker 1: google Coringe Broil, Brian Brothers US Open and it'll come up,

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Speaker 1: and it is. It's a work of art what she

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Speaker 1: did there. And we'll be back next week with another

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Speaker 1: episode of The sit Down, where our colleague Luke Dennehy

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Speaker 1: catches up with nineteen eighty eight Roland Garros semifinalist Nicole Bradkitt.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, you can tune into John of the

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Speaker 1: Team this Thursday on the AO Show.

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Speaker 2: show notes. Remember to subscribe, rate and review. See you

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Speaker 2: next week, Matt ce viv