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Speaker 1: This episode is proudly sponsored by Indigenous Business Australia, who

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Speaker 1: serves partners and invests with Aboriginal and torrest right island

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Speaker 1: of people who want to own their own future. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bails.

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Speaker 2: Us Aboriginal people.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of title. You know, relationalism not war making.

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Speaker 2: It's the best way to have secure.

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Speaker 1: Is the best time to be a black color, specially

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Speaker 1: in business, so powerful the successful Ariiginal women.

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Speaker 3: I am a survivor of the stolen generations.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to begin this podcast by acknowledging the kubby

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Speaker 1: cubby and gubby gubby peoples here on the Sunshine Coast.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to also pay my respects and acknowledge their

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Speaker 1: elder's past and present, and extend my acknowledgment of traditional

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Speaker 1: owners right across this country. From wherever this podcast has

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Speaker 1: been listened to, Welcome to the IBA Partnership Series, Podcast

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Speaker 1: number three. We've got another special guest joining us today,

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Speaker 1: and as always, you know, we're we're having conversations about

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Speaker 1: who we are, where we come from, what our experiences

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Speaker 1: have been like growing up in this country, in particular

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Speaker 1: as black fellows in this country now known as Australia.

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Speaker 1: And also you know why we do what we do.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to say welcome to the Black

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Speaker 1: Magic Woman podcast. Isaac. It's great to have you on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Gora and one yard, so hello and welcome.

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Speaker 2: You know, Copic cover country some copy copies, so you know,

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Speaker 2: welcome to yourself, and thank you so much for hosting

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Speaker 2: on our beautiful land. Like to refer to it as

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Speaker 2: God's country, which stares up the rest of the mob.

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Speaker 3: But no, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: No whereas it or so Isaac Harrison tell us, tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about yourself. You know, obviously you

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Speaker 1: you're a covey coby man. But yeah, you know you

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Speaker 1: do your introduction for our.

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Speaker 3: Yeah sure, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's funny when you say introductions because it

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Speaker 2: always depends on who's in the room with, you know,

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Speaker 2: depending on the setting. You know, last night I was

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Speaker 2: at an event in the mp there for our Eridana

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Speaker 2: and Kabula. His heritage's kanaka, but he doesn't he can't

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Speaker 2: but he doesn't know the connection. So when I'm talking

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Speaker 2: and bridge that connection. So yeah, my grandfather was a

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Speaker 2: he married into so you know, gorgeous kubby cubby woman

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Speaker 2: in particular Numbi clan, which is the word meaning people

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Speaker 2: and then Nna's bury Berry go so from up north,

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Speaker 2: so you know, people know the smaller family and all that.

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Speaker 2: That's all my bloodline there. But he used to live

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Speaker 2: Not much to do, I suppose, but do you know

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Speaker 3: But I'm sure we'll probably get to that further.

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Speaker 1: So which way you come from? Big family, your brothers

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Speaker 2: I was playing I played did you do for professionally?

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Speaker 2: Digery stew and Oka. Uh okay, I can't, I can't

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Speaker 3: And so it turned out and became a new ditch player.

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Speaker 2: So it has such a great experience, you know, because

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Speaker 3: She's two gone on the three.

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Speaker 1: The youngest is the youngest is always the boss of

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Speaker 1: tiger Lily, the youngest of five. You know, she's going

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Speaker 2: father's actually South Indian, so he's from Bangalore and he

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Speaker 2: so we got that Indian culture too, which is something

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Speaker 1: Well they could, they kind of just well not slot

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Speaker 1: to understand, like you said, to understand some of those complexities.

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Speaker 1: It's more of a not a smoother transition, but it's easier.

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Speaker 2: You know, the studies show about our DNA being linked

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Speaker 2: And when I got to know Larichi nation for different

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to the South Sea Islander

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Speaker 1: of when you mentioned CSR the colonial Sugar Refinery, I

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Speaker 1: did not know that that's what is that what CSI

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you double Wikipedia, you'll be able to find it.

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Speaker 1: that re examining Australia's blackbirding past and its roots in

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Speaker 1: I did not know that they went beyond places like Vanuatu,

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Speaker 1: that they actually did steal. You know, obviously people slaves,

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Speaker 1: And you've got suburbs in the central coast of New

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Speaker 1: So what's your thoughts on that? Knowing that this is

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Speaker 2: One of the internal struggles and we you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about lateral violence is a lot of jealousy gets

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Speaker 2: So when we wind it back, it's actually it's love

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Speaker 2: all black and ducks again, get along. They all spoke

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Speaker 2: that instilled into a lot of the South Sea islander

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Speaker 2: there was like a winner a loss where we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be taken a stolen but then we wouldn't receive any

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Speaker 2: benefit because we were neither You're neither Aboriginal nor.

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Speaker 1: You weren't indigenous to this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they say, well you're not indigenous, but it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: we didn't want to be here because you tricked my

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Speaker 1: Because when you look at the Bunderberg population with the

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Speaker 1: And I've heard of this tension in places like Bunderberg

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Speaker 1: That's the Queensland government right that acknowledged the south Sea

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Speaker 1: So this is something that I want to look into

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Speaker 3: Of the capital of the Torres Straits.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go, there's a lot of more here,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I love the fact that, you know, now

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Speaker 1: Now, I know you're pretty kind of well read with history.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say before that I recently

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell me about the party I want to know.

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Speaker 1: So I think It was after the First World War

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Speaker 1: And they came across the restriction of the sale of

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Speaker 1: I think it was eighteen sixty seven. And then it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and the Brits love opium because opium pubs

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Speaker 3: Mentality that they had to bring in a new world

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Speaker 2: Would fire up the Chinese to take back what's been

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Speaker 1: And that's why that legislation, right, the restriction of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is funny because the Chinese have had ancient

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Speaker 1: Especially when you think about the history with the mcassons,

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Speaker 1: And as soon as you know, Australia was i think

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Speaker 1: think about business started in this country, you know, we

435
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: go back at least one hundred and forty thousand years.

436
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: This is where business started. And when you think about

437
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: the fact that we were so isolated as a continent,

438
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: we still had international relationships through those trade routes with

439
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: the macassons and also through the terrest Rate and Papua

440
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: New Guinea. Yeah, so we weren't that isolated. We still

441
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: had those those relationships, but they never invaded us. Yeah,

442
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: we had a relationship, a trading relationship, and that's a

443
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: good relationship to have.

444
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And that's why I keeps saying to mob

445
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: like business isn't like, oh I'm going to get in

446
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: the business.

447
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: It's like it's.

448
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: Actually, if you're a blackfellow and you're one of the

449
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: you know, two percent of population here, your God ordained

450
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: destiny is to steward this country. Yeah, so it's in

451
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: our blood, right, it's in your blood. It's your responsibility.

452
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: So I always say whether they are starting in life

453
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: and we're here in the modern Bay and there's a

454
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: lot of communities debate where MOB are stuck down there.

455
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: It's okay, you're now in that.

456
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: I see you as on the trajectory being who you're designer,

457
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: who you're supposed to be, right, and so it's like

458
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: we're called into that because there's just this ingrained sustainable

459
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 2: sustainability mindset that we have where you're not taking more

460
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: than you need, you know, you're not just pounding things

461
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: out so you can make a profit so you can

462
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: buy the best house and to rack for West End

463
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: Brisbane in a relative So I just that's what inspires

464
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: me about MOB is like they just don't know. And

465
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: our mob are phenomenal soft skills people like they can

466
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: read a person, sense what's going on.

467
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: You know, they definitely have.

468
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: That intuition, that that gut that you know, kind of

469
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: guides us through it with our with our decision making.

470
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: I absolutely love that we're talking about this because when

471
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: I think about the fact that in Australia, the Indigenous

472
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: business sector, well, let's just think about this. In Australia,

473
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: there's two million businesses I think, small meeting, but two

474
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: million businesses, right, and the Indigenous business sector makesar is

475
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: it less than one percent? I don't even think we've

476
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: reached one percent. Yeah, well right, so, but we are

477
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: the fastest growing in terms of the Indigenous business sector

478
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: is growing at faster at a faster rate and the

479
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: mainstream business sector. So things are happening. There's been a shift,

480
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: and I would say that even though intergenerational trauma holds

481
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: a lot of our mob back from reaching their full potential,

482
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: from contributing to society, there's still a lot of us

483
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: that are managing the trauma, dealing with a lot of

484
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: the obligations in our community and family, you know, cultural obligations,

485
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: family obligations, and still trying to you know, get that

486
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: startup off the ground, or still trying to you know,

487
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: finish that university degree, or just climb the ranks, or

488
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: not even climb the ranks, but just to turn up

489
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: or just to hold a job down. I don't think

490
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: people realize what a lot of our mob go through

491
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: on the daily to then also and manage a family

492
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: and raise children, and look after other people's children, and

493
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: look after older people that are not doing too well.

494
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: So I love the fact that with this podcast we're

495
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: bringing these stories to the forefront. We're giving a lot

496
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: of mob an opportunity to talk about, you know, not

497
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: just about being in business or not just about being homeowners,

498
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: but how deadly it is that we have all these

499
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: other skills and all these other strengths, and our aboriginality

500
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: or our identity, whatever we identify as right should not

501
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: define us. We shouldn't. Sometimes that holds us back because

502
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: we're put into this box. Oh you're indigenous, so you're

503
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: limited to only doing this, or you've got to work

504
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: ten times harder to get your foot in the door,

505
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: especially in business.

506
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

507
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: So anyways, I'm going to ask you a question because

508
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: I was at the inaugural IBA Futures Forum and I

509
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: know that you was one of the successful because it

510
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: was an expressions of interest and people were selected to

511
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: participate in Newcastle on where am I and aerobical country.

512
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: What was that like? Tell us about your experience being

513
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: part of that futures forum that I.

514
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: So the start I was so interesting when they asked

515
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: me to come along my business journey. I would have

516
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: been going for two and a half three years with

517
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: bun Bunje of energy. So to give the invite, they said, well,

518
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: we know you've you've already started your journey by you know,

519
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: we'd love for you to come along and like just join.

520
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: And there was a couple of other black feoves that

521
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: had their businesses. I've been going as well. You know,

522
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: Marcia playing toon who was the leander swim. Yes, so

523
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: we were putting the little group there and we had

524
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: kids too, so we're they're like the young adults kids section.

525
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: No, so but I brought the old family.

526
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: We drove up, went past our heaps of beautiful country.

527
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: You know, there's some places I've seen where I could say,

528
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, I could I could probably do wordre country.

529
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: You know, I could probably do you know in some

530
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: spots that's so beautiful in the drive up and yeah,

531
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: the whole aim of like futures for him and Tristan,

532
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: the facilitator was amazing explaining that, and you see it

533
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: here in a stress.

534
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: So when White Fellow.

535
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: Comes to new lands and new environments, potential new markets,

536
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: he goes and set ups Chambers of Commerce or Lions Club,

537
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: Broadie Club, whatever club it is, Freemasons, whatever they go,

538
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: they go to it up straight away because it brings

539
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: everyone together on the same page to network, and they

540
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: use that ability to then pretty much funnel any any

541
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: work opportunity through this system. You know, our system, as

542
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: Black Fellows are organic and it moves its ships and

543
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: shapes of seasons. We read country, read the animals to

544
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: see the rivers. So White Father, he's very systemic.

545
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: You know.

546
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: You think of Germans and their design, how they brain

547
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: processes and how many things come out out of their

548
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, like Volkswagen, all those sort of things. Side note,

549
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: they were in Nazi Germany anyway. Another side note, So

550
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: going into our futures for him. You if you watch

551
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: like Iron Man, you know the movie he goes to

552
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: like the Stark Expo, you know, this is what's the latest,

553
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: this is what's the greatest. You know, come be partners

554
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: with me in the future. And so a futures forum.

555
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: They literally did this fifty sixties, they would have these

556
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: things where, you know, the middle upper class echalon of society,

557
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: you know, black fellows, no Asians would come down here

558
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: and learn about what's going on and who's who in

559
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: the zoo. So this whole goal was, why don't we

560
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: get a bunch of young black fellas he's walking in

561
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: both worlds at different stages of the journey, in the

562
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: room to converse and scrope out and design what a

563
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: future looks like for us, you know. And so that's

564
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: where that's what caught my attention that it wasn't just like, oh,

565
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: this facilitation, you know, have a cup of tea.

566
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: And been to many of them, been and many of them.

567
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: I've been pap yes under the pavement, you know, I'm

568
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: falling asleep in the back, especially when I had Baby Girl.

569
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: Some was he was he wasn't a sleeper when baby

570
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 2: Girl came along, and so like half asleep, Yeah listening,

571
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: so deadly, guys. But so it was really good to

572
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: just be in the room talking to everyone. And then

573
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: in war my country where they hosted it, you know,

574
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: it was like a multimillion dollar complex where they had

575
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: like four or five businesses running out of there.

576
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tourism operation right with all.

577
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: Those podmassive yeah, massive, and we've got the same I've

578
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: here met a more singular lady, lovely old ossie girl,

579
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: and she's just like, please come to Briby and run tours.

580
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: And so it was just like we're like desperate for it,

581
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 2: you know, please, you know. I was like, and we're

582
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: so under serviced here, we have the so much opportunity.

583
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: It's just and like you said about overcoming with our mob,

584
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: there's just certain phrases of words, or circumstances or smells

585
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: can trigger trauma or trigger a defence mechanism which becomes

586
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: an objective. And I saw that with Blinder, with some

587
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: of our staff. We've got to meetings and you walk

588
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: in the room and I've got one of my bdms

589
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: as a long a girl, and you've been sitting there

590
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: before white guys in suits, you know, and the level

591
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: you know, twenty on whatever building, and so it can

592
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: be intimidating for me as a black man, I'm just like, ah, whatever,

593
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: the whole white dudes, you know. But for a woman

594
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: who's come from w A, that's another experience for that

595
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: black woman. And so by then I'd find the personality

596
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: class of different things. So we had to learn to

597
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: work around that and then put in place systems to

598
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, how can we overcome this long term?

599
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: You know, would you like to have them visit us

600
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: in a familiar place at our office and if they

601
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: can't meet our boundaries, then it's probably not a relationship.

602
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: Or meet or meet on your terms. That's yeah, you know,

603
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: I kind of hear saying, you know, how can they

604
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: meet on our terms?

605
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: Yep, that's it.

606
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: And so so yeah, there was a better experience. And

607
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: then you come out of it and you see people

608
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: going to launch their businesses. Kaylor with our daily bag,

609
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: our song lines, amazing stuff she's doing, and so yeah,

610
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: it's just incredible. It still takes me back that these

611
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: are just other mob. When you grow up as a

612
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: black fellow, sometimes you think you're alone. You think, oh,

613
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: and I'll mix my dad's wife and im'm blackfellow. You know, yes,

614
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: I do culture, but then I do my busie stuff

615
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: over here. You know, get a job, feel a bit

616
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: isolated because you come from this very hybrid upbringing.

617
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: But when you get chucked.

618
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: In a room with mixed mob for blood and you

619
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: know Torus stray kannaka Bloodlines.

620
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: It's so encouraging.

621
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there, so I could see everybody kind

622
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: of just everyone was kind of feeding off everybody's energy, right,

623
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: It was amazing. So this is a youth forum, So

624
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about First Nations youth. Why is it important

625
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: that we invest in and support the economic aspirations of

626
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: First Nations youth.

627
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

628
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: So there's a guy old texting that I followed for

629
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: personal finance, and he talks about, you know, your the borrowers,

630
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: slaves to the lender. And I think in the Western

631
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: society it's built around depth. Okay, you owe me, So

632
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: this is what you've got to do to sustain that criteria.

633
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: And so as Aboriginal people, that's not really something we're

634
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: very like, you know, First Nation people in America. In Americas,

635
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: we're very covenant center of people. So we're like, if

636
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: you gave me your word, you know, I'll show up.

637
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: You know, if you I'll have you back, you know, brass,

638
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: no matter what happens. You know, if you go off

639
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: on a bend, I'll still come pick up. You know,

640
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: I'll still do that. And so for us, it's about

641
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: understanding how the system works, and then how we cannot

642
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: get entangled with things, because I think there's a lot

643
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: to get us in tangled with the sidetracked. There's a

644
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: lot of some of the my clients that I work

645
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: with now because I do consultancy after leaving BUNDL so

646
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: helping other Aboriginal businesses with their branding and different things

647
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 2: that I did with bund. It's about finding the perfect

648
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: balance between activism and social change, but also then making

649
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: getting in the black with the business. And so if

650
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: you get on one side on the other and then

651
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: you're unbalanced, you know, community will tell you so. But

652
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: if you know too much in the in the dollars

653
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: and see everything as dollars, you're going to miss on

654
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: those relationships. But if you're two side on the social side,

655
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to progress conversations with

656
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: people because a lot of our second people's I like

657
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: to call them, I just ignorant. So I pulled up

658
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: a good mate the other day who was scanning Navy

659
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: and heritage and he said, yeah, but like, what percentage

660
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: are you you know? Like if you had I said, bro,

661
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: never ever anyone of color that question. And he's like,

662
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 2: what do you mean, like, because you're blonde, blue high.

663
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: He doesn't know.

664
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: I said, well, they'd have this thing called the half

665
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: cast act and then they explaining to him, and.

666
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was mortified. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry.

667
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: I just He's like, where would I know happed because

668
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: he grew up middle class Brizie Like, who would tell

669
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 2: me this?

670
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: You know who?

671
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: I said, no one, because no one's from that world

672
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: unless they're there on a scholarship, you know, from for sport.

673
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: And then they're like, you know, it's crazy.

674
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: It is And you know what, I think it's so

675
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: important that you know your people, like yourself that can

676
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: educate other people that have no idea because a lot

677
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: of us. I was one of them, right, you get

678
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Really it's triggering. That's still today in twenty twenty one,

679
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: we as first nations people are having to justify our

680
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: identity to people. I've going to justify it, not just

681
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, hey am aboriginal. You know it's like no,

682
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: hold a minute, are you part or are you full?

683
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 1: Or you know what else?

684
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: Are you like? How?

685
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: And for listeners listening to this conversation, it is highly offensive,

686
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: highly disrespectful, highly inappropriate, to ask anybody First Nations or

687
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: non First Nations to justify their identity to you and

688
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: you don't know them. It's not the way to start

689
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: a relationship or a conversation. For a lot of us

690
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: that are out there, you know, engaging with a lot

691
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: of non Indigenous people walking in two worlds, being in business,

692
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: we're having to do that as well, right, And we

693
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: choose to do it because it's something that I do

694
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: nine to five and I get into an ub and

695
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: I'm doing it again. And some of us are really

696
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: good at explaining and educating people. But it is exhausting.

697
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

698
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: That's why I see with our old fellows who were

699
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: just they just disconnect, go walk about.

700
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: I don't invite many of those things.

701
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: Women are so frustrated angry because our matriarchs are often

702
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: the voice in our communities, you know, according to law

703
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: al Iri, and our men quite quite reserved you doing

704
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: their things still decision makers, you know, and people just

705
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: like don't understand that that it's yeah, it can be frustrating,

706
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: but like you just said, it's you can use it.

707
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: And I would encourage mob if you can find that

708
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: place to use that conversation starter as a door opener

709
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: in business, Like I met with a big water provider

710
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: here today and that was the first topic.

711
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: You know, Oh we've got rec week.

712
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: We're trying with our wrap, you know if you think

713
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: so straight away, I'm given a platform that pretty much

714
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: no other person Australia unless the Aboriginal will have because

715
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be able to go knock on the

716
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: door of a big you know company that's procuring you know,

717
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: out millions of dollars and started. And so for now

718
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: that we can have that conversation and use it to advantage.

719
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: But like you said, it does require us to mentally

720
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: and spiritually be filling ourselves up to go out and

721
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: do it, because yeah, otherwise you'll be so drained exactly.

722
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: So what are you doing now? You said you've left

723
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: jun Joe parted ways there. What are you doing now?

724
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: What's keeping you busy?

725
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: Yes?

726
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: So I felt, you know, it's funny. My wife had

727
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: a dream mid last year, early last year the word Butterham, budroom,

728
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: sunshine posts and she said, I don't think that's real,

729
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: and she's found it and she's like, oh, it's one

730
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: country and for you know, for ages in Victoria. I've

731
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: always missed home, you know, the humility, the sweat, the heat,

732
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, the limbo and beer Burham and that in

733
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: the background beaches perfect amazing and so I was always

734
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: ready to go, and so we felt to move last

735
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: year back to country. And then in that time my clan,

736
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 2: but then Dumby Clan, have started to not distance ourselves

737
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: from a lot of Native title stuff that's going on.

738
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: But just say is there is there a better way?

739
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: You know, is there a better way to do this?

740
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: And so it's not so divisive, right.

741
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's it because everyone sees it as like

742
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: in kwonder Muca, you know who are doing amazing stuff

743
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: like Kwondu Muka. You can see you go there, you

744
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: go across the road the old town hall with the

745
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: elders and then you got the five star heigh you know,

746
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: high end amazing resort. So can someone explain to me

747
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: how that is an outcome that I want my people

748
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: to achieve. So our mindset, with our planners will still

749
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: be involved with native title, but now we're going to

750
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: create and all inclusive for all too groups based on

751
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: Cob Cob Country to be involved in a business conversation

752
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 2: that puts us all in the same room like a

753
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: you know know, mini chamber of commerce or a mini

754
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: business group. And you know, I go to a few

755
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: of the wa follow ones here and theret me doing

756
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: it for decades. So what do you think when they

757
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: go to build roads, develop housing estates, build dams, who

758
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: do you think wins the work? You know, they were

759
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: chosen two three years before the project drops. And so

760
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: we need to shape our mind to say, all right,

761
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: we need to be in those conversations for long term

762
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 2: for you know, we get this business up and running

763
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: and our children will take it, you know, even further.

764
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: And so coming back to country, that was one of

765
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: the main objectives is to get Kubby Cubbybuby business up

766
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: and running so that we have this advocacy body which

767
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: talks the community and then in between then to help

768
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: pay the bills. I work with a few clients Victoria

769
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: in Queensland, New South Wales helped out consulting on their

770
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: branding because everyone likes like what I did with Bundel. Yeah,

771
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: and they also have my little podcast not as good

772
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: as yours.

773
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: I'll catch you one day.

774
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: So I've got up to about thirty six thirty seven episodes,

775
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: just interviewing other people around social entrepreneurship. Yeah, what's it black,

776
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: black and whites. It's called Deadly Discussions podcast.

777
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Deadly Discussions And can people just download that on like Spotify?

778
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, on Spotify podcast platforms, yeah, on it is a

779
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: stitcher and a few other ones as well. So yeah,

780
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: I was doing that as because I'm probably you probably

781
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: the same feedback. I would be talking at events on

782
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: panels and just talking to other people and one of

783
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: my guys was like, man, you should just record this

784
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: and upload it, and so I did it. So it's

785
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: super raw, super authentic, just real, you know, we record it, bang,

786
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: put it up, snip snip, that's it, you know, And

787
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: so I haven't put much stuff in it, but it's

788
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: it's cool.

789
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: It's and that as well as example in itself.

790
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: You know, I've only got you know, I saw you'll

791
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: posted that about twenty thousand downloads probably high now, but

792
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: so mine's on two thousand. But the doors that it

793
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: opens is just incredible and I encourage more. But it

794
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: doesn't matter the size of like your your marketing or

795
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: even budget or getting out there. Sometimes you feel like, oh,

796
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: that was just a waste of time. But you never know,

797
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: you never know who's listening or who's watching eye And

798
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: so you find people on like LinkedIn, right who are

799
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: like C suite CFO CEOs and you're like at an event,

800
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: right and everyone's in suits black tie. They're like, mate,

801
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: you know, I love your work and I just want

802
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: to say your podcast is great, you know, keep it up.

803
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: And they're like, I want to pay sex companies see

804
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: cr phone.

805
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 3: You're like, why are you listening to my podcast?

806
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: How did you hear about my podcast? I know, I

807
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: don't need to be kind of shame, right, you go,

808
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, no, I know.

809
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: So it's just like you just yeah, you just like

810
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: stand it another mob. You try different things. I see

811
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: sister girls and some brother boys they're doing like stuff

812
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 2: on TikTok, like and you're reaching people in the corporate world. Yeah,

813
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: and so you just never know who's watching and who's listening.

814
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: So it always just be yourself, you know, don't worry

815
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: about it. And you know, finding that value system I

816
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: think as well is really important, you know, from you

817
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: know culture the positives, because you know a lot of

818
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: people try to soociate a lot of negatives of our culture.

819
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know it's about to taking those positives.

820
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: I hear. All right, So listen, I got one last

821
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: question before we wrap up. Yes, what is your fifty

822
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: year vision? Because I know with the Futures Forum it

823
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: was about looking fifty years and planning fifty years ahead

824
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: of us. So what is your fifty year vision for

825
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: the indigenous business sector?

826
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, So I put mine from so I played.

827
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: I worked in Elston Wick corefields around a very Jewish area.

828
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: I even played soccer for the mccabi, the Jewish team

829
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: for two seasons, and so I had this immersion of culture, right,

830
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: and they all thought I was Jewish. They would call

831
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: me Jitsak, which is my name in Israeli, and that

832
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: abused me.

833
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: And is you know Jewish? I mean Israeli. I would

834
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: remember clue what's going on.

835
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: So one day one of them was like, hey, like,

836
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: you're a better know how to say like you're an Aboriginal.

837
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, is that like a problem, Like no,

838
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: we're so happy we've never had like an indigenous person

839
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: playing our team. And so I had this connection into

840
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: their culture. And I would speak at panels at a

841
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: synagogue and different things like that. But one thing they

842
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: did so well coming out of like World War two

843
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: and other places where they've been persecuted, is they were

844
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: just up through.

845
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: They would plant themselves in a new area.

846
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: They would all work with each other, they'd buy off

847
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: each other's businesses. They would try to get our school

848
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: going with one of the mums or that running it,

849
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: the dad's running it. So they would internally look to

850
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: how they could touch, you know, touch points with other

851
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: black fellows as much as possible.

852
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, I've got an event.

853
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: So I'll get a brother boy here, I've got to

854
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: get a car, get that with such and such car,

855
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: you know, And they would everything was connected, and then

856
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: over time you've just got this economic and social and

857
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: positive benefit just circulating through like.

858
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: A black economy, like a black economy.

859
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: And so that's my vision is getting our mob to

860
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: maturity where we can and then if there are disputes,

861
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: we can have some sort of system that's culturally appropriate

862
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: where we can say, hey, Bras, you know, you said

863
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: you're going to do this contract, and you let down

864
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: such and such, you know, And so we have this

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Speaker 2: internaling and not let external culture dictate on what we

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Speaker 2: do and what we don't do because we do have

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Speaker 2: systems of law and cultural you.

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Speaker 1: Know, obligations, obligation.

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Speaker 3: Believe obligations.

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Speaker 2: But then we also have mob who are very you know,

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00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: Christian Judaic in their law ali so they believe in

872
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: a creative God and son and spirits. And then we

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00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: have other mob who are very paganistic in their law,

874
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, medicine, menuage, doctor, spirit, serpents, and so you've

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Speaker 2: got to you know, everyone get along three hundred plast

876
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: nation sort of thing. But I would imagine fifty years

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Speaker 2: fingers crossed, that would what would look like that We've

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Speaker 2: got this national economy where we're not just looking at

879
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: indigenous for kurment policies to go get a chunk of change.

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00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: We're like, okay to turnover from working with governments two bill,

881
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: but you know we circulated you know, ten bill in

882
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: our own economy. That's new homes, cars, education, you know, holidays,

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Speaker 2: you know, investing social impact and so that would be

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Speaker 2: like my vision and I'm like, yeah, just super stoked

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Speaker 2: to see how that unfold. And because I did coming

886
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Speaker 2: into Bunjol, I was on the tail end of the

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, seven seventeen, so I was on the tail

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Speaker 2: end of twenty fifteen with the IPP launched. So when

889
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Speaker 2: I went to my first supply nation connect, I was

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Speaker 2: at the tail end of like the gen I'd like

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Speaker 2: to call Gen one Aboriginal business. So you had a

892
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Speaker 2: lot of jvs. You had a lot of like unsure

893
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: about what is this? You know, you know, what is

894
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: this thing? And so I was coming on the tail

895
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: end of that and into the new generation of Aboriginal

896
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: people who are now in business and going, hang on, oh,

897
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Speaker 2: there's this thing called and vision for kurement or social fulfillment.

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Speaker 2: And so I was in this really cool spot. And

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Speaker 2: the one thing as well, with our mom we might

900
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: be a bit hard on themselves. And I finished with

901
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 2: this is you know this recession on what's correct, you know,

902
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: COVID done is it's caused this a first real recession

903
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: for our sector. And so I think our mob can

904
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: be a bit hard on themselves. And I just say,

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00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: you know, we've gone through so many trials and tribulations

906
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: like we've got this.

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00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Well, look on that note, I

908
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: just want to say it's been an absolute pleasure to

909
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: have a year with you, because we have never yarned

910
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: before I know each other.

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00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 3: At a distance, I don't know like I know.

912
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: You, but I don't know you so like, I just

913
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: want to say, thank you so much for everything that

914
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: we've yarned about. And it's just amazing that a lot

915
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: of our our mob, like yourself, are doing you know,

916
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: so much more than I thought. Like I had no

917
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: idea that you had a podcast. I had no idea

918
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: that you're doing other stuff and you're part of with Bunjo,

919
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: So there's so much that I've just learned. I didn't

920
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: even know you were at the Futures Forum and I

921
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: was there too, So I just want to say, look,

922
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being part of the IBA

923
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: partnership series with Black Magic Women. And I just want

924
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: to say, can't wait to actually meet you now that

925
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm here on.

926
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Speaker 3: So you're down near the Old Fellas.

927
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: Yes, so you and I I will have to catch

928
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: out pay I'll make sure after this podcast I reach

929
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: out to you and let's have a yarn. No worries,

930
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: but thank you so much, and I guess we will speak.

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Speaker 3: Soon, beautiful.

932
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: Thanks now, eys, we're rather have an amazing afternoon.

933
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Speaker 3: I will thank you.

934
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: How amazing like literally we're talking about history, talking about

935
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: articles that I read just this morning about the history

936
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Speaker 1: of blackbirding, which is slavery here in Queensland, and like

937
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: I said, something that our Prime Minister wants to deny,

938
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: but there's a whole lot of evidence there. And I

939
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: just hope that people start to really try and understand

940
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: the fact that aberysnall and touch under people as well

941
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: as solves down under people. What we've been through to

942
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: be able to do what we do today and to

943
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: participate in society today, and like I said, and some

944
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: of the things that hold us back from reaching our

945
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: full potential, but also despite all of the odds that

946
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: are a gangst us, that we're still able to kind

947
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: of smash things, set businesses up and do things that

948
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: we want to do. And I love when we can

949
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: do business on our terms of reference. That's what's important

950
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: to me as an average woman who's in business, that

951
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: we participate at the table. We have a seat at

952
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: the table, but we participate on our terms. So I

953
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed that yarn And until next time, by

954
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Speaker 1: for now, if you'd like to know more about IBA

955
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956
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Speaker 1: start or grow a business or invest in your future.

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