WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - Free the Nip, Take the Dip!

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land. Hi guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Us gun cut, where we will answered you're dark and

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<v Speaker 3>you're burning questions. However, there is something that I think

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<v Speaker 3>will live rent free in my head for the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of my life, like my Roman Empire. I cannot and

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<v Speaker 3>will not stop thinking about the video of Timothy challow

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<v Speaker 3>May and Kylie Jenner at the Indian Wells Open or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it's called, the tennis match. If you haven't seen it,

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<v Speaker 3>we are putting it on our social media right now.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, to be up there, I have never seen

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<v Speaker 3>something more uncomfortable in my life. So okay, if you

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen this already, it's making the rounds online. But

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<v Speaker 3>Kylie Jenner, who great love love their relationship, think they're adorable.

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<v Speaker 3>She leans over to kiss him, and she's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>kiss him. I think it's for a camera. I think

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<v Speaker 3>someone's taking a video because there's a camera in the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>They also they know that they're constantly on camera wherever

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<v Speaker 2>they go. Every time they're in public, they are constantly

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<v Speaker 2>being watched, especially at a big tennis tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Is why Timothy Shalla Maye needs to control his face.

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<v Speaker 3>He can't control his face. He looks he looks so disinterested.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just there's so many different mixed body language

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<v Speaker 3>things that are going on, and I just can't I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some thoughts. Basically, if you haven't seen it,

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<v Speaker 2>Kylie's trying to kiss Timothy in the middle of this

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<v Speaker 2>huge match with Holgaroon and Ugo Unbird or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is, so at lafeon cut podcast because we'll

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<v Speaker 3>be on our Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>And he Timothy doesn't look like he wants to kiss

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<v Speaker 2>her in that moment. It's very awkward. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>will say is I understand both sides. She's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>kiss him and put on this united front because there's

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<v Speaker 2>very obviously a paparazzi or a cameraman that's right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of them that is filming them. She's seen that

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<v Speaker 2>and she probably knows, hey, let's just put on like

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<v Speaker 2>this united front because if they just sit there looking so,

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be a story about them having a fight and

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<v Speaker 2>hating each other. So she's tried to kiss him, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's in the middle of a point, you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>that the game is still going, it's not between sets.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a forensic lip reader that has come out

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<v Speaker 2>and said they know I was really invested. They know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what they were saying to each other. So what

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<v Speaker 2>they were saying is and Timothy, apparently I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it liver and free in my head, but

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<v Speaker 1>clearly in yours more, I love that. A forensic lip

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<v Speaker 1>reader is a job. How do you become forensic?

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<v Speaker 2>It's really common now. Every single time there is a

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet for anything in the world, there are forensic

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<v Speaker 2>lipreaders that are employed to see what they're saying on

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<v Speaker 2>the carpet.

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<v Speaker 4>What distinguishes the difference between a lip reader and a

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<v Speaker 4>forensic lip reader, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't be sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Rhyme.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually they lend themselves to important things, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fighting crime, but in this case, no, so things we

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<v Speaker 3>care about.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So first of all, Timothy says, wait a minute, love.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he says to her. He says, wait a minute, love.

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<v Speaker 2>And because you can tell he's kissing right with his lips,

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<v Speaker 2>but his eyes are on the court, like he's not

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<v Speaker 2>giving her any attention. He says, wait a minute, love,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she says eye contact. This is allegedly sorry

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<v Speaker 2>eye contact. Then he responded, go on, yum.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's not what he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Then then when he sits back and she starts to

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<v Speaker 2>rub his tummy, he says ol and she says are

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<v Speaker 2>you okay? And he says, no problem, I'm good, don't

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<v Speaker 2>worry about it. Then he says to her watch the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch the point. So he's literally just trying to say, babe,

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<v Speaker 2>like I fucking love you, let's do this after the tennis.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so invested in the tennis, so it's really awkward

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<v Speaker 2>to watch and I hate watching it. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>turn it off. But I understand both sides.

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<v Speaker 4>At first, because like he's super locked in right, and

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<v Speaker 4>at first I was like, oh, he could have just

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<v Speaker 4>turned and gave her a quick kiss and back to tennis.

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<v Speaker 4>But then what I don't understand is when she didn't

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<v Speaker 4>get that, why did she start rubbing his tummy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a weird thing for someone to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be sitting next to you and start rubbing their barely.

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<v Speaker 4>I cannot have one time that I've rubbed someone's belly,

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<v Speaker 4>especially in public, especially after they've just rejected my advance

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<v Speaker 4>for like a kiss, because they're doing something that is

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<v Speaker 4>clearly important.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I do like that she seems completely oblivious to it.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just smiling and happily, like waltzing through the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder how she must feel today we've all been rejected.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she couldn't kive a fuck today. She's a

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<v Speaker 2>billionaire who's living her best life. I don't think she cares.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how Timmy's tummy's going. It's good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the tummy thing doesn't bother me. I think she's

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<v Speaker 2>just a physical affection person. I would probably do the

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<v Speaker 2>same to Ben. I don't think she's rubbing his tummy

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<v Speaker 2>like get better. She's just putting her hand and being affectionate.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care about that part. I care about the

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<v Speaker 2>part where he's trying not to kiss her and she's

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<v Speaker 2>like forcing his face back to her, and he's pulling

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<v Speaker 2>away and she's pushing it back.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very hard to watch, but well, I hope that

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<v Speaker 3>we all enjoyed it as much as I did, because,

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<v Speaker 3>like I said, I'll be thinking about it for a

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<v Speaker 3>very long time before we get into your question.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's do our vibes and unsubscribes of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>My vibe this week is a new Netflix series. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called Running Point. I don't know if you've seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely loved it. So it's Kate Hudson. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you've seen it advertised. It's basically about a

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<v Speaker 2>basketball team in America. It's did you guys ever watch

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<v Speaker 2>ted Lasso? You remember years ago I recommended ted Lasso,

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<v Speaker 2>which is this really feel good series, comedy series about football.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the same kind of a thing, but about basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>and long story short, Kate Hudson has taken over this

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<v Speaker 2>basketball team. It's purely like a male dominated industry. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a man's world and it's about the family dynamics between them,

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<v Speaker 2>but also running of this team. I saw it advertised

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought it was going to be really cringey.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good. It is so funny, it is so

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<v Speaker 2>feel good. It's filmed really well. I feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of shows that these streamers churn out lately seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be done really quickly with low budgets, But this

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<v Speaker 2>felt like I was watching a movie at the cinemas,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's really high quality. If you ever watched New Girl,

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<v Speaker 2>which I loved was a series of very long running

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<v Speaker 2>series in America. One of the main actors from that

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<v Speaker 2>is in it too, and I haven't seen him in

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<v Speaker 2>a while. But it's just brilliant. I loved it. Kate

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<v Speaker 2>Hudson was brilliant. Her comedic timing is amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm interested to hear this because I saw some chatter

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<v Speaker 4>about this online and it was getting really bad commentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting because Mindy Kayling was one of the creators.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the creator and producer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which I thought was interesting with the timing of

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<v Speaker 4>the whole Meghan show, you know, like get Mindy on

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<v Speaker 4>Megan show, because she's also got this other Netflix you know,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone's in the Netflix family.

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<v Speaker 3>And well, Mindy even came out and said, like anything

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<v Speaker 3>that she does that involves Megan, obviously and understandably absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>blows up. So she's like, if she wants to do

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<v Speaker 3>cross promotion, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. So it's called

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<v Speaker 2>Running Point. It's just a very easy watch. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to learn anything, but like it's not a docu series.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a lot of fun, right, up my alley

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<v Speaker 2>my vibe this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you guys ever get on the match A train?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Did you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I got off it real quick, Okay, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been able to get into it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm told it's got all these health benefits and it's

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<v Speaker 4>all good for you because it's all like green tea extract,

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<v Speaker 4>But for me, it's just always tasted too much like

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<v Speaker 4>lawn mower clippings.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's not for me either, Kisha.

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<v Speaker 2>You ordered it on the weekend when we went to lunch, Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that one.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is actually quite interesting that you say that,

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<v Speaker 4>because I've been trying to get myself into it and

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<v Speaker 4>I found this product from Tea too. It is salted

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<v Speaker 4>much a milkshake powder, So basically it's a much a powder.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that they have added a bit of this

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<v Speaker 4>salted caramel toffee flavoring too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Matcha, well, it is much, but it's got

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a.

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<v Speaker 4>Little addition to it that takes away a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>of that bitterness, and it doesn't make it sweet, Like

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<v Speaker 4>the overall flavor is definitely not sweet, but for me,

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<v Speaker 4>it makes it palatable instead of it being really really grassy,

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<v Speaker 4>because we went to lunch last week and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm new on this march a train, but why do you.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep trying to drink something that you don't actually like

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<v Speaker 3>because it's got good stuff in it for you? It's

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<v Speaker 3>like totally yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could also just get like a green soup

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<v Speaker 2>powder that you can put in anything it tastes delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to force yourself to have the mucho

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't want a giche, like if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it, you don't have to add salted caramel to

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<v Speaker 2>it too. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this one.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have actually been having this for the past

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<v Speaker 4>two weeks every morning, and it's palatable to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not palatable. It's not even good, it's just palatable.

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<v Speaker 3>You can force yourself to drink healthy things you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want as well if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to just get it down.

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<v Speaker 3>People who are drinking that, what is it? It's like

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<v Speaker 3>a sea something like a sea kelp thing in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been watching.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like a few influencers who like drink their sea

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<v Speaker 3>kelp and they literally look like they're about to gag

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<v Speaker 3>and vomit every time they do it, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay, it's okay to not drink every health thing

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<v Speaker 3>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>If it tastes awful, you don't have to do it

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<v Speaker 1>on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just doing cocaine and putting all these other stuff

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<v Speaker 2>into their body.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have to have my seaweed. Yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>take them a plants. Same help anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, anyway, if you want to try and get yourself

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<v Speaker 4>on the march to train, but like me, you haven't

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<v Speaker 4>quite been able to make the jump because it's too grassy,

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<v Speaker 4>I recommend this one. It is from Tea two. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not the cheapest. The smallest tin is thirty eight dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>so like, it's not a massive outlay, but yeah, salted

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<v Speaker 4>much of milkshake flavored green tea powder.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm currently enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm currently sort of enjoying it that Keisha is

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<v Speaker 3>fighting palatable. I have a recommendation for anyone who owns

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<v Speaker 3>their own business and is looking to scale their business

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<v Speaker 3>or is like actually very much working on the trajectory

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<v Speaker 3>of getting more people onto their websites, growing their organic

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<v Speaker 3>growth and also growing their paid growth. So we use

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<v Speaker 3>a website. And I was thinking about this last night

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<v Speaker 3>because we use it all the time, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is actually a great vibe for anyone who is

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<v Speaker 3>either a small business or an established business. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>called similar Web. Now anyone can go on and use

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<v Speaker 3>similar Web. You could just use it because you're curious,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's particularly great if you're trying to do market

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<v Speaker 3>research based on other brands or brands to the brand

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<v Speaker 3>that you have. And basically what you do is you

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<v Speaker 3>go on them you type in. So for example, I

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<v Speaker 3>can type in Tony May, and then I can type

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<v Speaker 3>in by Charlotte, I can type in Temple of the Sun,

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<v Speaker 3>I can type in Francesca, and I can compare traffic

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<v Speaker 3>flow to my website based on all the traffic flow

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<v Speaker 3>to all my competitive websites. I know how long people

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<v Speaker 3>are spending on their pages, how many pages they've seen,

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<v Speaker 3>how many hundreds of thousands of people have been to

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<v Speaker 3>the website in a month's time.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can tell how many people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>your website versus like a competitive website.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely so, because basically anytime you visit a website, your

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<v Speaker 3>IP address is tracked, and that's how all that information

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<v Speaker 3>is public information, so it's really great if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to look at, for example, you might have really high

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<v Speaker 3>clickthrough and really high product engagement, but you might not

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<v Speaker 3>have very good organic growth for example, so you can

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<v Speaker 3>compare where you sit to other brands. So it gives

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<v Speaker 3>you a really clear understanding of the pillars that you

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<v Speaker 3>traffic flow to your website. It also gives you a

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<v Speaker 3>really good understanding of where you sit in the market

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<v Speaker 3>against your competitors, because you might think, oh, they're doing

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<v Speaker 3>so much better than me, and look online and they

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<v Speaker 3>have fifty thousand less people to their website per month

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<v Speaker 3>than what you have. So it really is such a

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<v Speaker 3>great gauge for figuring out where you sit in the

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<v Speaker 3>market and the areas that you need to put some

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<v Speaker 3>focus into and work better on. In terms of subscriptions

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff for it, so like you can pay but

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<v Speaker 3>it's quite expensive, whereas they have a free user, so

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<v Speaker 3>I don't pay for it at all, and that still

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<v Speaker 3>that gives you loads of accessibilities. So even if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't pay for it, it's very very very worthwhile tool.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, sounds great.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Question number one, I want to do a nudy swim,

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<v Speaker 2>but my boyfriend's against it. Hear me out. I live

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<v Speaker 2>in Hobart and every year there is a really big

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<v Speaker 2>nud to swim to celebrate the winter solstice. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to register, there's no photography allowed. You all wear robes

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<v Speaker 2>and swim caps, drop them then running into the water

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<v Speaker 2>really quickly. Of course there's a lot of nudity, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the whole point, but it's absolutely freezing, so it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone's hanging around stark naked looking at each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I told my partner that I want to participate in

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<v Speaker 2>the swim this year, and it did not go down well.

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<v Speaker 2>He believes that it's a perverse event, just full of perverts.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't really understand why it has to be nude,

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<v Speaker 2>Like why can't you just go and do a swim

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate, which I sort of also get, like you

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<v Speaker 2>could just go and do a normal swim. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand why I would quote put myself in a situation

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<v Speaker 2>with purves and to parade myself like meet in front

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<v Speaker 2>of lions.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just wow, it's bittraumatic.

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<v Speaker 2>I find this language incredibly shaming. I'm sorry, I'm only

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<v Speaker 2>laughing because the quote, Like, I just can't imagine a

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<v Speaker 2>man saying that, Like why would you put yourself as

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<v Speaker 2>meet in front of lions, Like it's just a swim.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it incredibly shaming. It furthers the sexualization of

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<v Speaker 2>female's bodies in a negative way. Am I the asshole

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<v Speaker 2>for going ahead and doing it regardless of his feelings

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<v Speaker 2>and his attitude?

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, you're not Nashole.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, if you want to go for a

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<v Speaker 3>Nudi swim because you think it's liberating, you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to ask for your partner's permission. You're not doing anything

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<v Speaker 3>wrong in that case, like by any means, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It will depends on the circumstance.

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<v Speaker 3>You will have to like deal, Yeah, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're going for a Nudi swim with some random DUDEIA

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<v Speaker 3>met at a nightclubbe mean at midnight, sure, But if it's

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<v Speaker 3>like an organized event, there's like seventy year old women

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<v Speaker 3>out there doing it, I don't you know. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's sexualizing an event that's not a sexual event.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like a hymn problem.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also think if you can explain to him

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons why you want to do it. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>think it's liberating, whatever it is, like, it's something that

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<v Speaker 3>puts outside your comfort zone that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to be involved in.

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<v Speaker 3>But his version of it, like what he has presumed

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<v Speaker 3>is in his head, seems to be a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a twisted kind of reality based on what actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, two minds about it, because I agree with

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you just said, Laura, absolutely, but I've always

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<v Speaker 2>said that it is something where you need to take

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<v Speaker 2>partner's feelings into consideration. Now that doesn't mean you have

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<v Speaker 2>to do what they say, but it means you need

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<v Speaker 2>to have a conversation where you say, hey, I totally

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<v Speaker 2>understand what you're saying, why it makes you uncomfortable, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is why it's important to me, or this is

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<v Speaker 2>why I want to do it, Like I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. I do think it's important. Like if Ben

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<v Speaker 2>came to me and said he wanted to go and

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<v Speaker 2>do something nude, I would say, Okay, cool, what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you want to do it? And in all honesty,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, this isn't a perverted event. It's an event

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone does every year. Having said that, if I

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<v Speaker 2>was a pervert. I would be looking up these events,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where I'd go. If I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>a PERV, I would go to a NEWD event. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I do. So I don't want to say there's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be a PERV there. Maybe there is,

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<v Speaker 2>like it checks out, but obviously that's not what the

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<v Speaker 2>event is. I don't imagine there's going to be that

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<v Speaker 2>many people lingering around nude having a cup of tea after.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be so quick you'd barely

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<v Speaker 2>see it. Robes are off, you're freezing, you run into

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<v Speaker 2>the water, you're underwater, you run out, you put your

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<v Speaker 2>robe on. I think, go for it, but you do

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<v Speaker 2>have to take your part in the feelings at least

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<v Speaker 2>into consideration a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I question. I think the PERF to normal

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<v Speaker 3>people ratio is going to be pretty slim.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, the ratio is going to be. There's more

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<v Speaker 1>pervs just out of the beach anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're a PERV, laws you're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the new events, right, You're going to look up

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<v Speaker 2>new events. Everyone in the room knows that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I mean, I don't I think maybe because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think it's a big deal, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>weird to have such adverse reactions around it. Like to me,

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<v Speaker 3>there's like this kind of like sense of ownership and insecurity,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that that's kind of what you're getting

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<v Speaker 3>to when you say that it further sexualizes female bodies

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<v Speaker 3>in a negative way.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I the aursehole for going aheab?

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<v Speaker 3>You don't need permission to do things that you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do that have you know, an r about your body.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's going to upset him, you can have a

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<v Speaker 3>conversation with him, and then if you're willing to and

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<v Speaker 3>you want to, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to deal with that upset ask for forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to ask for permission, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 3>not everyone approaches their relationship that way, But I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if that's.

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<v Speaker 2>The best way to approach relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>But sometimes sometimes I guess what I'm saying is like, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>don't do it with things that like deeply imp at

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<v Speaker 3>your relationship. But when it's things like this, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that he's being a little bit controlling to say that,

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<v Speaker 3>and his reaction to this, the way he's using words

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<v Speaker 3>like put yourself in a situation with pervs and parade

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<v Speaker 3>yourself like meet in front of lions. He is creating

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<v Speaker 3>something that this isn't Like the shame comes in him saying, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>You parading yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>You're behaving in a way that's like not conducive to

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<v Speaker 3>being faithful within the relationship. Like there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>accusatory tone in that without him even realizing that he's

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<v Speaker 3>being accusatory. And that's because his perception of this is

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<v Speaker 3>not the reality. So I just think it's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of conversations around it. But also ultimately, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to go and do it and it's something that you

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<v Speaker 3>think is fun and wild and whatever, like, go and

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<v Speaker 3>do it, Go and do it, and then deal with

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<v Speaker 3>the consequences of his weird ass reactions afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree. I don't think go and do it

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<v Speaker 2>and deal with it later. I still think you need

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<v Speaker 2>to have the conversation, and I give him the benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of the doubt. I don't think he realizes come watch.

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<v Speaker 1>You can be the perv.

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<v Speaker 2>Come with me, yeah, fully clothed, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch me run down and jump in a creek and

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<v Speaker 1>get out like eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when it comes to normally, I completely agree,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think when it comes to full nudity in

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<v Speaker 2>a situation, I don't want to say that that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation to have with your partner, because I absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>do think it is. People get funny about their partners

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<v Speaker 2>be nude in front of other people, Like I think

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be remiss of us to say it's normal, go

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<v Speaker 2>and do it. It's absolutely not. And if I went

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<v Speaker 2>and did a nude swim completely Starkers in broad daylight

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<v Speaker 2>with people that could look at me take photos and

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't told Ben, Ben would also be like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>was that not something like you should have told me

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<v Speaker 2>you were doing? Not a control thing. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>when we're talking about being completely naked, it is something

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to talk to your partner and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to do this. This is why I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the right thing is to say sucked in.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it, and I asked for forgiveness later. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a question for you. Do you think you

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<v Speaker 3>need to ask a permission to someun back topless at

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<v Speaker 3>the beach?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but this isn't about permission. I don't think she

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<v Speaker 2>needs to ask permission. I just think it's the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that you have first, not asking for fear life.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but she's already asked him.

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<v Speaker 3>She's already told him that she wants to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's made it very clear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is essentially asking for permission now. She's at

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<v Speaker 3>a point now where she needs him to say it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like, Okay, if you went to the beach

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<v Speaker 3>and you some baked topless, and your boyfriend turned around

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<v Speaker 3>and said, why would you put yourself in a situation

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<v Speaker 3>where you're flaunting yourself in front of pervs, parading yourself around?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I would have a real issue with that language.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, I'm not laying at the beach. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>also I don't sunbake, So like that's not what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 3>But like I would be angry at them for trying

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<v Speaker 3>to imply a sexualization of it or that I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing it to be and to do something that's like untrustworthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think she needs to ask for permission,

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what I'm saying. I do not believe it

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<v Speaker 2>is and ask for forgiveness later. Thing I think out

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<v Speaker 2>of respect for your partner, you need to make him

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<v Speaker 2>understand the language that he used and why it's not right,

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<v Speaker 2>and make him understand why you want to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is okay for a partner to have insecurities

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<v Speaker 2>about their partner being naked with other people in Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to take that away and say that

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<v Speaker 2>that's normal. It's also not normal, but it's okay as

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<v Speaker 2>long as the communications there. That's what That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get at.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what you're getting at is that there is

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<v Speaker 4>a difference in the intention of whether he's been controlling

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<v Speaker 4>about your body and the sexualization of your body, or

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<v Speaker 4>whether he's trying to be protective of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Like? Yeah, I think the intention behind why he has

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<v Speaker 4>a problem with it is important in this case, but

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what the intention is because of some of.

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<v Speaker 1>The words that he's used. That's what I mean. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit controlling.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with what you're saying, Okasha, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>that that's what we're landing on. But the use of

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<v Speaker 3>why would you want to parade yourself around implies that

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<v Speaker 3>she's doing something that is wrong. And that she's seeking attention.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I have issue with. If he was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just am so worried about your safety

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<v Speaker 3>because there's people out there who are just gross, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a super different conversation. But he is the one that

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<v Speaker 3>has m shame into this and that's why she's sitting

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<v Speaker 3>there go oh way, okay, this is really odd. I

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<v Speaker 3>would also question, does your partner have super conservative views?

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<v Speaker 3>Is he a very conservative person, in which case maybe

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<v Speaker 3>there is things that you're not aligned on in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of how conservative you are versus him. Does he have

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<v Speaker 3>like specific ideas around like how a woman should behave

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<v Speaker 3>in a relationship, Like is that something that has ever

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<v Speaker 3>come up before? Maybe not, Maybe it's not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe this is an isolated incidence. But I do think

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<v Speaker 3>that there's other little bits that you can unpack in this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think there's just like I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to break this down a little bit. We're all for

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that women's bodies shouldn't be sexualized. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you said it further is the sexualization of female bodies?

0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.359
<v Speaker 2>It absolutely does. But that's because he's a male. He

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<v Speaker 2>knows how men think. He knows that women's bodies are sexualized.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean it's okay, and that doesn't mean it

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<v Speaker 2>should be. We know it shouldn't be, but we still

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<v Speaker 2>live in a world where it is. So he's still

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<v Speaker 2>hyper aware of knowing that if you are naked as

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<v Speaker 2>a young female in public in daylight, he knows that

0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.399
<v Speaker 2>there'll be people that are going to sexualize you. He

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<v Speaker 2>knows that they're could be people with cameras. He knows

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<v Speaker 2>that people will look at you. So I just think

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<v Speaker 2>these are all things to take into consideration. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>communicated it in the right way, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the issue. I'm not convinced this is about being controlling.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't sound that way.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what you said was interesting was I think

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<v Speaker 4>it actually does depend on how you've u nudity. Like

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<v Speaker 4>even between my relationship, I will walk from my bedroom

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<v Speaker 4>down to the bathroom and there are multiple windows, and

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't give a shit if.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone seems me naked, like blind as much.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben's always like people would pay for that. It's like, Babe,

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<v Speaker 2>your neighbors are like literally looking at you right now

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone to me naked, and I'm like it's cool,

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<v Speaker 2>Like whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, if they don't want to see it, they

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<v Speaker 4>can turn away to an extent. I'm in my own house.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think some people just view nudity differently.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people are like I could never even imagine ever

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<v Speaker 4>being comfortable doing that around a big group of people,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's just not anything I would ever want to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And so maybe he falls into that category. And like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, he is a bit more conservative and didn't

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<v Speaker 4>grow up in like a naked household.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I do come back to this idea, and

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<v Speaker 3>it it reinforces what you just said, Britt, that some

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<v Speaker 3>men do sexualize women's bodies, and I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a protection thing. I think he sexualizes women's bodies. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the problem. I think he is of that mentality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably, so his viewpoint of.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the issue, and that's what I have taken

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<v Speaker 3>a stance against in terms of, like just do it

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<v Speaker 3>anyway and ask for forgiveness because his opinion of this

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<v Speaker 3>is not the correct one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I thought I'd be doing it. Go for

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<v Speaker 2>a swim free, the nip take the dip CLP dip free,

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<v Speaker 2>the nip free, the clip take the dip too far. No,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's complete nudy to get a clit out she is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's nudity, it's out.

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<v Speaker 1>How is her clit out? What she pulling it out? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean out is in and no unders on. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>take us so literally. She's not going to run down

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<v Speaker 2>with a point of vagina apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, next question.

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<v Speaker 3>My partner and I have been together for five years, engaged,

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<v Speaker 3>very much in love and happy in our relationship. We

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<v Speaker 3>have an open phone policy, meaning having no issues with

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<v Speaker 3>being on each other's phones or for whatever reason on

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<v Speaker 3>road trips, which have been frequent lately. My service cuts

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<v Speaker 3>out regularly and I love a doom scroll through reels

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<v Speaker 3>and also Instagram just to pass the time. He's happy

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<v Speaker 3>for me to do this on his phone while mine

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 3>is out of service. Every single time I open his Instagram,

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<v Speaker 3>his for you page is just flooded with women who

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<v Speaker 3>hold only fans accounts posting pics of their enormous, wonderful body.

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 3>I say good for them in that regard, and I

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<v Speaker 3>have no shame on women who choose to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>I have tried to joke slash banter with him about

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<v Speaker 3>this in the past, and he mentioned that it's simply

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<v Speaker 3>because his algorithm is based around him being an average

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<v Speaker 3>thirty year old male. When I look at my for

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<v Speaker 3>you page, my algorithm is formed by stupid reels, memes,

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<v Speaker 3>and animals that I engage with daily. My question is,

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<v Speaker 3>does Instagram form an algorithm based on your age and

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<v Speaker 3>gender or for what you show interest and consume in

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<v Speaker 3>most frequently, I have no issue with him watching porn. However,

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<v Speaker 3>just for some reason, the idea that my partner may

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<v Speaker 3>be frequently scrolling through or searching for posts related to

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<v Speaker 3>OnlyFans or women with body types that are poll the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite to my own leaves this unsettling feeling in my

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<v Speaker 3>stomach and perhaps shatters my ego slightly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's full of bullshit, to be honest. The

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<v Speaker 2>start the Instagram doesn't say, oh, you are a thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven year old male, I will feed you OnlyFans models.

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:23.439
<v Speaker 3>That feeds you specifically wonderful, full bodied women who have

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<v Speaker 3>only fans.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not how it works. Let's open our Instagram quickly, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I want to share a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of more.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine is okay. I've got multiple weddings, I've got pregnancies.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've got a hen's party.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>I have pimple popping, which I don't really watch much

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<v Speaker 3>of those. I've got a girl with lobsided boobs and

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<v Speaker 3>she's posting about it's literally says lobsided breasts like and save.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a snake being caught in a water bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have.

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<v Speaker 3>A person picking hair out of silicone. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why I have lots of like human picking things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not against it, We're just.

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<v Speaker 1>Proving that these are actually specific.

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<v Speaker 4>Mine's all hair stuff because I got my head on

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<v Speaker 4>last week, so I was searching that last week hair stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>a bit of fashion and ADHD content.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my whole for you page.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mine's literally one on like supplements I use in

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<v Speaker 2>menstrual follicular ovulation and lutell phases for pregnancies. Mine's very like,

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<v Speaker 2>I am not being fed typical things. I'm being fed

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<v Speaker 2>things that are very specific to me now and what

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<v Speaker 2>I search and probably what I'm talking about a lot

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<v Speaker 2>because your phone listens.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I look at my for you page and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't look at that and think that that is

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<v Speaker 3>a perfect representation of the stuff that I Google or

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm at in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, sometimes I'm on my for you page that.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't surprise me.

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<v Speaker 2>We recommend me.

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<v Speaker 1>How many times have you googled Brittany Hockley Though.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't that's what I'm saying, but it's obviously just thought. Hey,

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>here's someone that's your age that's like putting content out there.

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It's also on radio. I'm like, that is me, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that most people are pretty aware that

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<v Speaker 3>generally a for you page is catered to the things

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<v Speaker 3>that you have interest in.

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, obviously it doesn't always get it right.

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 3>There's going to be times when it's fed something because

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's picked up on something that you've searched

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 3>or you've potentially liked or whatever, and you will find

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<v Speaker 3>yourself in an algorithm that wasn't meant for you.

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 1>We've all been there.

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 3>It's all happened to us, and you kind of wonder,

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<v Speaker 3>how the fuck did I end up in this corner

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<v Speaker 3>of the Internet. However, the consistency of the type of

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 3>content that he's receiving would indicate that the reason why

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<v Speaker 3>he's receiving it is because he's engaging with it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's the question as much as

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<v Speaker 3>is it a bad thing, Like if he's very honest

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<v Speaker 3>with his phone, if he has no qualms with you

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 3>going through his Instagram, and I mean like he's cool

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 3>with you sitting there scrolling next to him. He sounds

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 3>like he's incredibly trustworthy with what he's doing on his phone.

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<v Speaker 3>If he hovers a bit too long on a woman

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<v Speaker 3>who he finds interesting, is that that triggering? Like is

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<v Speaker 3>that to you something that you would start to feel

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<v Speaker 3>insecurities around your own sense of ego like you've said,

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 3>or sense of that it leaves this unsettling feeling in

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 3>your stomach. I think that sometimes we worry too much

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 3>about things that don't necessarily indicate a big problem, and

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:11.919
<v Speaker 3>you could create a problem that shouldn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the number one thing here for me is like

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<v Speaker 2>your open phone policy. The guy doesn't have anything to hide, Yeah,

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't think that he's done anything wrong. We also,

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 2>in terms of what we can control our partner looking

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 2>at you can't like, you can't tell your partner you

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 2>can never look at a hot female on Instagram Like

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>that's impossible, And that comes down to being controlling where

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that boundary is crossed is when someone is engaging in

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.120
<v Speaker 2>pawn or actually communicating with OnlyFans models like where they've

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 2>subscribed and totally. But when we're talking about what pops

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 2>up on your Instagram, it's like, you've just got to

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 2>accept that they're going to look at things as much

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.159
<v Speaker 2>as you're going to look at things. And unless they

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>are messaging them and engaging with them, I think you

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>need to sort of I don't want to say you

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 2>need to be okay with it, but you probably can't

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 2>be not okay with it. In a way you need

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 2>to tell yourself, Hey, he loves me, he is with me. Yeah,

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 2>we are creating a life together. We trust each other

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>because we have this open phone policy. Is it the

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 2>end of the world if he looks at something online? Like,

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>we're all human beings, We're all gonna look at stuff,

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 2>even the way we've been joking the past couple of

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>weeks about fake chatting Tatum two point zero. Like we

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.199
<v Speaker 2>joke about him, we say he's whole, We say whatever

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 2>are we joking?

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Totally joking better, But like, but in terms of that's

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>such a normal part of human nature is to look

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 2>at other people, be interested, be curious be attracted, Like

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 2>you can't help being attracted to someone you see online.

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>How often we see someone where you're like, Wow, she's beautiful,

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Wow he's a smoke show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's an interesting one because I think sometimes when

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 3>we answer these questions, it's very obvious that we're like, oh,

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, he's doing the dirty or he's not doing

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 3>the dirty. But like, if he's engaging exactly like you said,

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 3>that's a whole different story. I think the for you page, yes,

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 3>it's an indication of content that someone might be pausing

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 3>on to look at. But just because they're pausing on

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 3>to look at it doesn't mean that they're going deep

0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 3>on it, you know what I mean.

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And like the algorithm is weird. It is not a one.

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Hundred percent full proof situation where every single thing you're

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 3>fed is because it's exactly the person or the type

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 3>of content that you engage with in terms of like comment, share, follow,

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's a perfect recipe. And also, you know,

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 3>just because he stops and he looks like Instagram is

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.239
<v Speaker 3>now flooded with women who have only fans accounts, and

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<v Speaker 3>I stop and look, you know, it's not because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sexually wanting to, you know, do anything or think anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes I'm like.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's that's a great photo. I can't take a

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 3>photo like that, you know, like and I'll stop and look.

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Then the for you page might start suggesting it's not

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 3>because it's content that I'm necessarily like deeply engaged with.

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure he is more engaged with it than I am. However,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't think that it's worth the argument at

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<v Speaker 3>this point. If that's the only red flag that you've

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<v Speaker 3>got in your relationship, I'm like, let the guy fucking

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 3>look at Instagram every swaften and see a hot chick.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it's really hard because the end of this is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think every woman will relate to this of

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 2>this is like it shatters my ego that they look

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 2>a certain way and I'm never going to look like that.

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>And I get that, and that's every woman gets that.

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Actually probably most men get that too. Like comparison is

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the thief of joy, very deep quote, and it's almost impossible.

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.959
<v Speaker 2>It's so easy to sit here and say like, you're beautiful,

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>know you're worth We understand that. That's one thing to say,

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>it is another thing to really do It takes a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty big person to have done a lot of work

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to never feel a sense of insecurity or wish that

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 2>they could change something about them. Even the most confident

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>people will always have that feeling. So I don't want

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>to come here and say like, that's silly. Don't feel

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>like that, as much as it is silly, don't feel

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>like that you're in this loving, secure relationship. I do

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 2>want to validate you. Saying hey, I do it makes

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>me feel pretty shitty and a little bit crushed. But again,

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that comes down to literally the basic of

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>saying to him, I feel really shit when I say

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel good when I see this, because that

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 2>conversation might be exactly what you need, where he's like, babe,

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 2>you are perfect to me. Yeah.

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 3>But my response to that is, how often do you

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 3>check Ben's for you page? I don't think I've ever

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 3>checked matts for you page. Stop checking it.

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just talking I'm not talking about that. I'm

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>just talking about like validating feeling the ego totally.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 3>But I think the thing is is take some self

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 3>initiative in this. If you're looking at his for you

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 3>page and it's making you feel sad, but you also

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 3>know he hasn't done anything wrong. I think we need

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 3>to have some self control and stop looking at things

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>that make us feel negative, because it's like you can't

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 3>project that on him and make that his problem. When

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 3>we don't have a clear cut and to find way

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.959
<v Speaker 3>that the algorithm spits out every single piece of content

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 3>that's fed to you, I would just say, like, I've

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 3>never looked at Matt's for you, Paige, I'm so interested.

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go home and look at it now.

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we should all go and ask for screenshots.

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna look at this for you page. I'm gonna

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>report back on next episode.

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 3>But the thing is is, even if there are hot

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>chicks in bikinis and girls who look so incredible and

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 3>who comparatively are way hotter than me, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>to look at that and then be angry at him

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 3>that he found that attractive.

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Do you know?

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean I'm not gonna be angry at him that

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 3>he paused and looked at that. I would be angry

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 3>at him if he was paying a subscription on her

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 3>only fans and messaging him. Yeah, that's a whole different conversation.

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>But that's not what this is. So I think if

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 3>something's triggering you, you also got to be responsible for

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 3>the trigger. Stop going and scrolling his Instagram just because

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>you don't have service. Like he's being honest and open

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 3>with you, don't punish him for that honesty.

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<v Speaker 2>Question number three, This is for you, probably, Laura, because

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<v Speaker 2>you are in this position. Sure is a surname that important?

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<v Speaker 2>If you're Meghan Michael, yes, it's Meghan Sussex.

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, she's told you that.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're Megan Sussex, yes, I've been with my partner,

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<v Speaker 3>Meghan write this.

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<v Speaker 1>In it is actually, oh my god, it is. It's

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 1>for Megan.

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.959
<v Speaker 2>It says it's from the Duchess of anonymous guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry Megan, Sorry, sorry, sorry.

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 2>I've been with my partner for six years and we

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<v Speaker 2>have two beautiful children.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Megan.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the last one in his family to get married,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's just decided to leave the royal family. So weird. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the last person in his family to get married,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always said to him that I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to at least have the same surname as my children

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>before my eldest goes to school. Now, our eldest is

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<v Speaker 2>enrolled to start school next year, and I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>us getting married this year. It makes me sad that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't all have the same surname, because that's always

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>been something that I have wanted coming from a divorced family.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it too much to put an ultimatum on him?

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Am I overthinking this? Does a surname really matter? I

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<v Speaker 2>know how many women want to keep their maiden names. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I personally do not have a solid relationship with my dad,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've never really wanted his surname. Anyway, A surname,

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<v Speaker 2>to me solidifies the family unit. I also don't really want.

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>A big wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be very happy to just go and sign

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of paper. What are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 3>This is a really tricky one because I also think

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<v Speaker 3>and like look, surnames are not important to me. I've

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<v Speaker 3>kept my last name. I grew up in a household

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<v Speaker 3>that had heaps of last name, so for me, it

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<v Speaker 3>was the true well three there were three separate last

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<v Speaker 3>names at one point. To me, a last name doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>signify family. But I know that other people feel differently.

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:11.760
<v Speaker 3>And the difference in this question is that you communicated

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 3>that early on with your husband, or you're sorry with

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 3>your partner that a last name was important, and when

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 3>your children were born, you forfeited the opportunity for your.

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Children to have your last name.

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because that's a decision you could have made had

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 3>you thought that your partner was never going.

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 1>To actually marry you and that you were never going

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>to have his last name.

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, Because when you give birth, you make a decision

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 3>whose last name you put on that birth certificate. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing that you've made this clear throughout this entire

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<v Speaker 3>part of your relationship, that this is something that means

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to you. So I understand why you're now

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 3>at a point where you're like, Hey, this sucks, Like

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 3>I wanted this. I gave our children your last name.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a family unit in terms of like the

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<v Speaker 3>recognition of that with them, and you have not given

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<v Speaker 3>me the same respect.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Have very honest and I know it comes down to

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation, but I would have a very honest conversation

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<v Speaker 3>with him around that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it is, and I don't know if it's.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Even legally possible. Can you change your last name to

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.320
<v Speaker 3>someone's last name without being married?

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Is that weird?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you can change your name. You can literally go

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 2>and change any part of your name without getting married.

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 2>You just have to file a change of name, so

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>you can go and do it. But I don't think

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 2>you can just go and surprise him and be like,

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 2>change my name without the wedding.

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 3>No, But I mean you can have a conversation with

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 3>him and be like, hey, I know we've spoken about marriage.

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 3>I know it's on the cards at some point in

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 3>the future. I don't want to force you into that prematurely.

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Ten years and two kids. It's not prematurely.

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 3>No, six years, six years and two kids. But also, like,

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, if he said I'm going to do it

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.359
<v Speaker 3>before school, then didn't do it like I think you

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 3>can if you wanted to take that into your own

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 3>hands and be like, hey, it's really important to me

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 3>that we all have the same last name. I've communicated

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 3>this many times, You've always been on board with it,

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 3>and now we're at this point where it just feels

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 3>like laziness more than it feels like it's actually a.

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Stance against you not knowing what you want.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's not like I don't know I read that,

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 3>and I don't think that he's turned around and being like, oh,

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure whether I want to marry who or not.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 3>I think that some people are just complacent and lazy.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I think he can't be bothered. But that's all it is.

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:10.919
<v Speaker 3>You know, he's got his beautiful family, he's got two kids,

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 3>everyone's happy. Organizing a wedding is a pain in the ass,

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, ah, just I'll do it when I

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 3>do it, even though that's not like a good enough reason.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 3>I do think that that can sometimes be the outcome.

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 3>But I understand. I want to validate you, like I

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 3>understand why this is important to you.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. And that's the thing here. If it's not

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 2>important to you, it's not important. If it is, it is,

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>That's what it comes down to. Every single person is different,

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and for you, it's something that really matters. It's literally

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.359
<v Speaker 2>what you're thinking about. You've written in to us about it.

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>To me, this just screams it's not a priority. You together,

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 2>You've been together a long time, the kids are going

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>to school. It's not a priority for him. Evidently, I

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 2>think you need to double down on how important it

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.959
<v Speaker 2>is to you and also just let him know that, hey,

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 2>can we literally just go and sign the registry, get

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 2>married together. It doesn't have to be a big thing,

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have to be expensive. We can go in close.

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 2>We've already got However, basic need to make that for

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>him if you're happy with it. But if, of course,

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.439
<v Speaker 2>if you actually want a wedding, then I don't want

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>you to sacrifice that moment either to get the surname. Yeah,

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>but I think you do need to tell him how

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 2>important it is to you. Alternatively, as we did say,

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 2>I do know people that have just changed their names

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 2>without marriage. You do have to just go and file it.

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>But then if the marriage part is equally as important

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 2>as the changing of the surname, you're also sacrificing that.

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I think if you present this into him in a

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>way where you're like, hey, we can literally Elope, let's

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>do it, I would find it hard for him to

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.800
<v Speaker 2>not be on board with that. From the information you've given.

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Us, I don't know, it's really tricky.

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 3>My only thing though, is you've said, is it too

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 3>much to put an ultimatum on him?

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's the ultimatum? Like, what are you going to say,

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 3>marry me or I'm leaving? Like do you want that, like,

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 3>is it that important to you? I mean, an ultimatum

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 3>always has to come with a consequence. That's the point

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 3>of an ultimatum, And I just don't know what the

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 3>consequence would be in a situation apart from you leaving

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:01.280
<v Speaker 3>your relationship, which sounds proper to me a little bit crazy.

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 3>When you've said that you've been with your partner, you

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 3>have a beautiful relationship, and you've got two kids together

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 3>and you're very happy. That seems extremely like reactional. If

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 3>it's not a wedding, or if it's not married yet,

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 3>maybe he's not ready. Maybe he's not, and that's a

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 3>very real possibility. We can't force the guy into marrying

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 3>you if he's not. But maybe there is a situation

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 3>where you could change your name or use the same

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 3>last name, even if it's not legally binding, use the

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 3>same last name when it comes to you know, discussions

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 3>at school and everything else, so that the kids feel

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 3>as though it's a unity in terms of a last name. However,

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 3>the only thing I want to end this on is

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 3>that a last name is only important because it's important

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 3>to you, and it's really like kids understand family units

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 3>beyond what a last name looks like.

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you made a really good point too. We're

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.800
<v Speaker 2>talking about this the other day, like believe it or

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 2>not as friends off Mike, but Laurie, you were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it is as much as you didn't care

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<v Speaker 2>about it, You're like, wow, it does make things harder

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden. There are different names for passports.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to be able to prove that you're not

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<v Speaker 2>kidnapping a child, and like, oh, y's a lot that

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<v Speaker 2>comes with it logistically as well. That will make your

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<v Speaker 2>life easier.

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<v Speaker 3>So like to give you guys a bit of insight,

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<v Speaker 3>Like obviously, flying to Africa recently with my two children,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was flying with them solo. Matt was already overseas.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't have the same legal last name as

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<v Speaker 3>my kids. My last name's burned. Their last name is

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Johnson on their passports and also on their

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<v Speaker 3>birth certificates, which means that anytime I travel internationally to

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere that is part of the Geneva Convention, I have

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<v Speaker 3>to have all of the documents that are signed by Matt.

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 3>I have to have copies of his passport to prove

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm able to travel with my children without their father,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a lot of preparation that I need to

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<v Speaker 3>go through in order to travel with them solo. It's

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<v Speaker 3>to protect children from child trafficking. Evidently it's a very

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<v Speaker 3>important thing that exists. But for me it adds an

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<v Speaker 3>extra layer of complications because we have separate last names.

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<v Speaker 2>So would you think about changing your name? Not that publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>but just for that purpose, just like for the documentation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because once every five years I might travel somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>without Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I can't bother that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more than that too. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>like tying a sense of family, like growing up. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. For me, I totally understand wanting to have

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<v Speaker 2>the same name, but I also understand how hard it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in this discussion at the moment with Ben what

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<v Speaker 2>name do we take? And obviously we don't have kids yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but we plan on it. But like do I take secrets?

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Do we do hockey secrets? Does Ben take Hockley?

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<v Speaker 3>My interpretation of this is that when you say a

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<v Speaker 3>tying of a sense of family, that sense of family

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<v Speaker 3>and that sense of tying is totally your own personal

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<v Speaker 3>interpretation of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not for your kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think kids grow up questioning what family looks

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<v Speaker 3>like to them based on a last name.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sorry I might have said that wrong. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean more is in like and this isn't the right word,

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<v Speaker 2>but like ownership, that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>The right word.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean like when teachers are in a class reading

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<v Speaker 2>a roll call, it's like putting which families are with which,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how to explain that. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't mean like you belong to a family because you

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<v Speaker 2>have the name in terms of your sense of belonging.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean more outwardly facing too, like when you're checking

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<v Speaker 2>into a plane, when you're doing a role calling class.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean that kind of thing. There's a lot there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ease that would come from everyone in

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<v Speaker 2>the family having the last name, but it does not

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<v Speaker 2>signify what a family unit is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I find the most interesting though, and I

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<v Speaker 3>would say that there are a lot of women who

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<v Speaker 3>have been in the same boat as what I was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was interesting to me that, even though I knew

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't going to take Matt's last name, that I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't consider what last name our children would have. I

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<v Speaker 3>just assumed that my children would have the last name Johnson,

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<v Speaker 3>and that that assumption comes from so many years of

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<v Speaker 3>like gender stereotyping in relationships. And when I think about

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<v Speaker 3>it now, I mean, there's no part of me that

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<v Speaker 3>regrets it, obviously, like it makes no difference to me.

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 3>But I do think, like, why didn't I consider Burn?

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Like why was Johnson so obviously and immediately more important

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<v Speaker 3>than my last name when I had every intention to

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<v Speaker 3>keep my last name And Matt would never change his

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 3>last name to Burn in a million years. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>why is it that his last name was the more

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<v Speaker 3>important one in terms of our family unit than mine.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a friend, Sam Blacker, he was a radio friend,

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 4>and he has a baby who's won.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're talking about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Just last week, they gave the baby his wife's name

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 4>because he was like, she birthed the baby, you know.

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 4>He kind of made a joke that he was like,

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 4>there's so much misogyny in this world. If this is

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<v Speaker 4>the one thing I can do to try and combat

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 4>it in my own family, I'm going to give my

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.720
<v Speaker 4>kid my wife's last names. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fascinating thing, and unfortunately for a lot of

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 3>women because they do give their children a different last

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:32.800
<v Speaker 3>name to their own, they give that up, you know

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, Like, they give that up forever, and

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<v Speaker 3>if the relationship doesn't work out, if they do never

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 3>get married, Like potentially, I'm not saying that that's what's

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.319
<v Speaker 3>going to happen in this instance, but potentially you then

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<v Speaker 3>forever never have the same last name as your children

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<v Speaker 3>because you didn't even consider that as an option when

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<v Speaker 3>they were born.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was thinking of hyphenating them, so if

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<v Speaker 2>anything happens, I can just drop one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 4>At the airport though, being the one who grew the

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.879
<v Speaker 4>baby and still having to have documentation like that would

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<v Speaker 4>actually annoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, It's for me. It didn't annoy me at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, thank god, we have systems in place

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<v Speaker 3>that protect our kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that make it a place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that make it so hard to take.

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<v Speaker 4>All.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, look, guys, that is it from us.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have any questions, but ask Uncut, slide into

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 3>the DMS at Life Uncut Podcasts sent us your dilemmas

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 3>and we would do our best to answer them. And like,

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<v Speaker 3>also with that last question, I'd love to hear from

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<v Speaker 3>anyone who have different dynamics in terms of like how

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<v Speaker 3>they chose to name their children, and whether you kept

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 3>your last name, whether your husband changed their last name

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 3>to yours, like how do you navigate those situations?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the only other thing that I did want to

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<v Speaker 2>say but that we didn't say, but I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>say now, is that it's so dependent on your individual situation,

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>so many aspects in terms of do you have a

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 2>particular connection with your last name, do you have zero

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 2>connection with your last name? Does your partner have zero

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>connection to the last name. Like if my partner hated

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<v Speaker 2>their family, hated their dad, hated the name, hated the connection,

0:43:58.320 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 2>and I was close to mine and they still want

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to keep their name, I wouldn't understand that. So I

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.399
<v Speaker 2>think that it's really individual to every situation. Some people

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.760
<v Speaker 2>are more attached to it than others. Maybe the family

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<v Speaker 2>name is not going to be passed on, Like if

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I have two brothers that have like twenty eight thousand

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 2>kids between them, Hockley is being passed on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Burn is rife, so no one cares

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 3>about that name. Every second street and island is Burn.

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:23.360
<v Speaker 2>But if I was if it was just Sherry and

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<v Speaker 2>I we're only females, then I probably would feel more

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<v Speaker 2>of a connection to want to keep my name and

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 2>pass on the heritage. So I think it's dependent on

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<v Speaker 2>every situation. Anyway, I'll shut up now, I see you later. Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget too, mum's don't dad, tet dog tea, friends

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<v Speaker 2>and share the love because we love love