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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, the Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy

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Speaker 1: yesterday issued a public disorder declaration for Alice Springs, i e.

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Speaker 2: A curfew.

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Speaker 1: Now that declaration includes a restricted movement provision in the

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs CBD for all residents and visitors to the

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Speaker 1: town between ten pm and six am, So essentially no

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Speaker 1: one can be in the CBD unless they've got a

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Speaker 1: good reason between those hours. Not just dudes this time,

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Speaker 1: but adults as well. Joining us on the show live

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Speaker 1: from Alice Springs is the Northern Territory Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Now how did things go last night?

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Speaker 3: Very polating, very well, higher levels of cooperation. That's in contrast,

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Speaker 3: completely different place than the preceding nights. We had some

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Speaker 3: dedicated office to the declared area with the disorder the

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Speaker 3: geographical area. Initially at ten pm there still the large

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Speaker 3: one hundred people around the CBD that dispersed after engagement.

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Speaker 3: They continuing on from ten pm, forty four persons were engaged,

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Speaker 3: twenty three were actually directed to leave the area and comply,

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Speaker 3: eighteen others had lawful reasons to be there. They were

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Speaker 3: two youths provided to the youth workers or alongside us.

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Speaker 3: One of the adults went to night patrol and a

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Speaker 3: youth was arrested for a serious preacher bail who came

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Speaker 3: into declared area. So there was obviously a lot of

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Speaker 3: proactive engagement as well. So I went into the saber

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Speaker 3: d just after fall this morning just to sense check

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Speaker 3: and speak to the officers. Made a commitment to help

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Speaker 3: the community and their colleagues and our springs as well.

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Speaker 3: Then we saw a number of people getting into the

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Speaker 3: ATM interstate visitors. They weren't aware of the declaration and

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Speaker 3: were informed and irrespective or there for a lawful reason.

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Speaker 3: We had a number of people walking through through the

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Speaker 3: we had a particular customing episode from intoxicated mail and

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Speaker 3: was consuming liquor who was un comprehended and given a

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Speaker 3: band drinkers order. But realistically it was a pretty good night.

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Speaker 3: We did have a number of three vehicles and a

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Speaker 3: the declared area that were monitored bearing a company's logo,

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Speaker 3: and some police work found out that the business had

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Speaker 3: been lented and we worked with the owner. The vehicles recovered.

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Speaker 3: The three vehicles south of town. We haven't made any

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Speaker 3: identify who's responsible.

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Speaker 2: So there were still three vehicles. Three vehicles still stolen

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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 3: The three vehicles so on last night where they came

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Speaker 3: through the CB day obviously driving a bit radically mino

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Speaker 3: to ones I think in a river bed that's bogged

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Speaker 3: and that'll bit of recovery a bit later on. But

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Speaker 3: there we haven't actually made an arrest associated with that yet,

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Speaker 3: but a continent Bible World.

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Speaker 1: Now Commissioner tell us in terms of the in terms

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Speaker 1: of the you know the declaration that was made earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week, why was that decision made for the lockdown.

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Speaker 3: I think a cumorably what we saw across a lot

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Speaker 3: and outside the territory for school holidays, a show which

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Speaker 3: was on Friday and Saturday. We've seen estimating between five

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Speaker 3: or over five thousand additional people in town. A lot

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Speaker 3: to alcohol was a concern and visible as well. We

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Speaker 3: to undergo surgery. On Saturday evening, we saw a large

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Speaker 3: group congregate on the council lawns at the town council

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Speaker 3: was ASR was deployed. We eventually dispersed them. They ran

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Speaker 3: officers and were walking home on Paris. And then we

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Speaker 3: saw a stabbing between two women the following day on

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Speaker 3: other little things happening as well, but the amount of

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Speaker 3: stop the levels of that type of violence. So this

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Speaker 3: was very considered and important vision. I had to consider

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Speaker 3: a lot of things about the impact on the society,

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Speaker 3: the community, the impact upon movement, of people, the geographical location,

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Speaker 3: the day, we can provide a really short term relief.

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Speaker 3: That's what we've done. We'll consider it over the next

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Speaker 3: few days about what the future holds that are now

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Speaker 3: But what I've got is a whole group of police

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Speaker 3: to make a difference because they live here. Alice Springs

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Speaker 3: is a great place. We want people to be safe.

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Speaker 3: We've got serious to come here. We don't want to

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Speaker 3: see the high level of harm we've seen, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we can't see officers assaulted or they're doing their job

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty appalling, I think the behavior that you've just

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Speaker 1: spoken about there. So how many additional officers have been

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Speaker 3: So I've got fifth day and I spoke to some

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Speaker 3: officers last night that threw him from Darwin. So he

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Speaker 3: just to assist with the policing and the zone around

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Speaker 3: the Claar area. So it's about that engagement and education

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Speaker 3: and using discussion as well, making sure people know that's

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Speaker 3: really important as well suggest the platform where the harm occurs,

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Speaker 3: and it is a very small geographical area. It's a

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Speaker 3: lot smaller than the restricted the high risk area that

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Speaker 3: we previously saw in the earlier lockdown. So this is

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Speaker 3: in essence new legislation that seem tan is to reduce

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Speaker 3: and prevent and stop the harms we saw, and it's

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Speaker 3: in a short period of time it's been successful.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there'll be some people listening wondering what exactly

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Speaker 1: the threshold is going to be for something like this

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Speaker 1: to be enacted. Look to me, I think when you've

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Speaker 1: got eighty odd people on the lawns across from the

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Speaker 1: it seems like that is quite a high threshold to meet.

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Speaker 1: Even then when you look at what's happened with those

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Speaker 1: off duty officers and others, you know, being involved in

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Speaker 1: different incidents. But what would you consider was the threshold

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Speaker 1: for you in terms of calling this.

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Speaker 3: I think it's about the connectedness in geography, the high

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Speaker 3: level of people who are not impoused or accommodated, who

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Speaker 3: levels of harm we experience. So we see stabbing on

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Speaker 3: the town council lawns that domestic violence related, which is

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Speaker 3: someone's been charged with recklessly and danger life. It's probably

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Speaker 3: lucky that the other party hasn't been killed. We'd see

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Speaker 3: higher levels of disruption, intoxicated disruption and assault on four

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Speaker 3: been four other citizeners who are trying to do their

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Speaker 3: who has three times over the limit has run over

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Speaker 3: one of our post officers doing the job. I think

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Speaker 3: those whole things connected and the geography of the space

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Speaker 3: and the consideration and we see the events occurring, and

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Speaker 3: that's why the time zones between ten and six and

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Speaker 3: I have to consider about the impact on movement and

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Speaker 3: liberty do have made off Wete which is a really

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Speaker 3: important divration and most of the conduct during the day

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Speaker 3: is pretty good. That's a night as later hours where

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Speaker 3: we see high levels of harm and that's where we

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Speaker 3: that prevention and reduction structure strategy.

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Speaker 2: So the commissioner in relation it is.

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Speaker 3: To legislation, and you know it it's you know where

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Speaker 3: we're going to learn as we apply it and think

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Speaker 3: through it. And you know, I previously thought about applying

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Speaker 3: this across Catherine as well, that the Catherine was quite

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Speaker 3: expansive geographically. We did have some instances of some bagsnatually

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Speaker 3: and smash windows in the CBD. That the poor Lie

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Speaker 3: type is domestic violence and high levels of it expansion

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Speaker 3: a careful consideration and as we work through the application

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Speaker 3: we'll probably work through that threshold.

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Speaker 2: Means, look, I am keen.

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Speaker 1: To talk about Catherine, but I might get to that

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. I want to ask you in

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Speaker 1: terms of the the four off duty officers who were assaulted,

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Speaker 1: has there been any arrests now in relation to that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Criminal Investigation Brands has still got that matter.

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Speaker 3: So there are a number of people involved in that.

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Speaker 3: You know, where we're thinking of over twenty and I

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Speaker 3: was initially reported as youth. We're learning to want all adults.

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Speaker 3: But you know, they're the people that were on the

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Speaker 3: town council lowns, so I've got ACTV. We can examine.

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Speaker 3: It's dark there as well on the fringes of the river,

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Speaker 3: so it's identification evidence is something they need to overcome.

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Speaker 3: But the detectives are working through that at the moment.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we call the witnesses, anyone with information,

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Speaker 3: all those responsible who may have some information, just reach

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Speaker 3: Do you work underway?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that those police officers were targeted or

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Speaker 1: was it just an opportunistic situation.

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Speaker 3: There's no indication at all that they were targeted known

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Speaker 3: to be police officers. Badly was a brand new recruit

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Speaker 3: who don't graduate on the twin deth consume who the

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Speaker 3: There's no indication they were targeted. The fact that the

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Speaker 3: that's an opportunity opportunity and they've just made a really

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Speaker 2: Commissioner, is she still going to be starting work tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: No, No, she's not spoken into the four officers involved.

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Speaker 3: Our two officers were at work if today and the

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Speaker 3: other two who were went to hospital and will be

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Speaker 3: taking some time off to get to rest. They you know,

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Speaker 3: they got some moderate physical injuries, but I think you

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Speaker 3: know the impact about the four of them psychologically, actually

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Speaker 3: being assaulted and kicked and punished and robbed has had

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Speaker 3: an impact on them. So they just need some time

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Speaker 1: I hope that they make a full and speedy recovery.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how they must have felt after going

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: In terms of this large scale disturbance as well, involving

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Speaker 1: up to eighty people on those council lawns, the group

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Speaker 1: had been, as I understand it from the statement that

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Speaker 1: you guys had issued yesterday at two licensed premises earlier

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Speaker 1: in the evening before crossing the road to the council

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Speaker 1: lawns and engaging in disturbances. As I now understand as well,

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police have served a notice of suspension two

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Speaker 1: licensed premises both located on Todd Street in Nalls. Were

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Speaker 1: they the locations where those people have been drinking at?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're suggesting there's a connection between the sailor

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Speaker 3: about whole the licensed premises and the direct linkage two

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Speaker 3: problems and the civil distandances across the road. But this

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Speaker 3: isn't just a one off. The management team have engaged

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Speaker 3: with both these licensed premises on a number of engagements

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Speaker 3: about how they're conducting their business and the intoxication levels,

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Speaker 3: responsible service of alcohol and working with licensing. So we

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Speaker 3: just work together to correct it and we've got powers

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Speaker 1: Is the accusation that they were serving people who are intoxicated,

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Speaker 3: It's probably too early to call. We're assessing that day

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Speaker 1: There has been some sort of questioning I guess as

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Speaker 2: Was it yours and yours alone?

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Speaker 3: So that's going to help us understand the demand in Catherine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know this is the thing obviously, as

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Speaker 3: We'll have forty three additional police in Alice Springs by

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Speaker 1: Well, Police Commissioner Michael Murphy, we are going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave it there. Really appreciate your time this morning,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having a chat with us today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Lendie, Thanks your time.

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Speaker 2: We have a nice day you too. Thank you