WEBVTT - CAREER TRIBUTE: Ray Chamberlain 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.080 Hey Lisens, Welcome back to the Amazon Cox Show. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.200 Now this week we're doing a bit of a look 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.640 back at the best interviews, and this one is an 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:19.160 absolute Jim Yes, Razor Ray the umpire who just recently retired. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.520 He talks about footy and everything that goes with it. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.960 You will respect umpire, Yes, I said it. You will 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.720 respect umpires after this. So I hope you absolutely enjoy 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:28.120 this one. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:29.800 It is a great one. I'm super proud of and 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.720 he is an incredible man. So listen in. It's gonna 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:33.400 be a great one. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:40.280 Starting now, I want to actually start off with a 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.479 quote of yours. Now, I did a bit of research 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.599 on you right as to do it. I'm my guests, and. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.440 I've read this quote and I'm really vibe with this. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.239 This is a really good one. And the quote is 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.000 elite performance is a sum of all the micro moments. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.160 It's a craft and it's what underpins the most special moments. Now, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:56.880 is that a quote from you? 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.280 It is? Yeah, that is that is good good research. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.040 I'll do I'll do my best. I'll do my best 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:03.520 work for people. Come on, and then it kind of 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.800 goes downhill once again a mine, No, but it kind 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.560 of I guess gives you a bit of an idea 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.040 the kind of personality you are. There's so many little 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:13.880 things that probably happened in your life to lead you 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.920 to where you are today. And yeah, we'll just jump 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.920 into it. Because you're born an act. You're not a 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.000 Melbourne man, not of Melbourne man. 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.039 And thank you for that. Man, that's really kind of you. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.800 I think one of the first lessons I learned here 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.080 in Melbourne. I was in the VFL and mate, you 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.720 won't this way vibe, but you will not have seen 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.520 this stuff. I'm as old as dirt, right, And so 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.760 what would happen is they would play curtain raisers yep, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.320 before the big dogs rolled out, right, So Richmond may 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.520 be playing Essendon at the MCG and so there'll be 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.240 a curtain raiser at like nine to thirty am core right, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.840 like proper early. Yeah. And you know, so this whole 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.320 notion of kicking the jew off is legit, right, So 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.280 you'd be drying the ground for when the big show started. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.560 And I remember one day I was walking across the 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.400 MCG and one of our coaches was there and he 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.480 said to me, he goes, you know, mate, he goes 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.560 I think you're a horrible Hayden Kennedy. Now, Hayden Kennedy 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.399 was the games record holder, he was our coach. He's 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.800 a legend. I have always just held Hayden on a pedestal. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.520 He's a legend, right in what we do. He goes, 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.359 you'll be a worse Darren Goldspink. So Darren goldspin compied 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.720 are Besquilian Grand Finals and whatever. Right, he goes, you're 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:36.440 a dog shit Matthew James, who was the it guys, right, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.959 and he goes but you know, he goes on that 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.120 you maker bloody good Ray Chamberlain. And it was really 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.200 funny because this guy only observed me in like three 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.000 or four games ever so early doors like I'm talking 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:54.120 two thousand you two. But I remember this conversation so vividly, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.040 like it resonated with me and the kind of thing 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.919 what I kind of came to an understanding because I 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.720 was only packed it in and went home. I trial, 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.480 you're trying to make the AFL list, missed out again, 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.680 missed out on trialing again. I was like, you know what, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.800 shove it. I'm out. And my now wife said to me, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.360 you regret it, you regret Stop being a silk have 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.520 another dig. You will regret this if you go now. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.600 And it was midway through the following season that I 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.040 got a phone call and got promoted onto the AFL. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.200 And the thing that resonated with me back then was, 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.799 you know, if you're authentically who you are, you've got 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.240 no evil to anyone, You're not trying to treat anyone poorly, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.720 You're not doing anything wrong per se, and you're just 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.000 being authentically yourself and you fall short. I can. I 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.280 can live with that, That will be okay with me. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.640 But if you're trying to put yourself forward to something 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.320 that you just it's just not who you are and 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.240 you fail, I don't think. I don't think that would old. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.560 It'd be very restless, would I would not forgive myself 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.280 for that. So I just I don't know when it 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:10.080 stopped being cool to treat people well right and just 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.280 for you right, like what is del buckleyy? Everyone else 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.320 has taken right, So like, just just be yourself and 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.680 I don't know any other way, mate. Yeah, And it's 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:20.840 it is a creat too. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.840 I mean, I don't think there's anyone that's ever done 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.200 it even remotely close to what you do like you. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.240 You're very unique and you've got such a good relationship 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.279 I feel like with the industry itself and players and 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.320 coaches and everyone else, and you're so well respected within 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.159 the AFL, and it's it is a credit to you, 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.560 and it's yeah, I look at it and at some 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.599 point I guess we're somewhat similar stories. That's probably really 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.040 going after it. That's a really stular question, attle bit, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.880 But yeah, I don't. I don't think you you grew 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.120 up probably wanting to be an umpire because you originally 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.640 were cricket players. What I've looked up, it's just did 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:55.679 a little bit of a little. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.520 Bit of creating. You're a part of a national championship, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.240 is what I actually read. I love my cricket and 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.839 I and it was something that I considered myself to 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.400 be good at. I'm okay, I'm a wicket keeper and 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.520 I could bat a little bit, and I loved the 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.200 game and the sides I played in. We won premierships 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.359 and all that sort of stuff when we weren't meant to. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.080 So I played, uh well from a kid, but I 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.960 played senior cricket for Tagronong in the in the act 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.120 that's in camera, mate, don't ask me how to say that. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.040 And we played against guys like so Brad Hadden who 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.640 was a wicket keeper for Australia and is now a 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.400 coach at the level. There were guys like there's there's 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.320 a big West Indian guy I used to play. There's 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.520 lots of names that won't resonate with you at all. Right, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.599 we're nearly on. It was. She really just tested my knowledge. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.600 But it was really competitive, and we like all these 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.440 young guys because we were out I think of south 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.760 of the city and then go further south that, like 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.719 as far south as that's where I grew up right 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.880 and that, and so we were like in a nappy valley. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.600 So we're all these young guys and I remember the 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.000 paper said, oh, you know they had us finishing last 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.440 young lots of potential too soon. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.920 Sounds familiar, right, you heard this song And we won 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.440 the comp, right, we won the comp and so you 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.000 know that was off the back of lots of people contributing. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:27.200 But I loved cricket and I played national championships and 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.880 got offers to go and play in Sydney and overseas 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.880 and stuff like that for little bits and Bobs. But 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.960 I wasn't ever going to be like elite. I wasn't 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.400 that like you look at guys like. I remember coming 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.440 down and I played at Melbourne. I got invited down 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.920 to play from a friend and I remember seeing Brad 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.560 Hodge hit the cricket ball and it just sounds different, 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.120 like they just like the guys who are the best, Yeah, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.560 like they just do it different. Hads was the same. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.520 He'd hit a ball I need a seven nine, he 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.920 like he hit a cricket ball, right, So the guy 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.919 I was never that level ever. But I was a 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.200 good clubby right, and I loved it. But umpiring I 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.760 got into by chance. So you know this whole thing 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.800 about six thousand umpires short and you know, like I 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.000 was gonna ask you about that's fair? God keep going, Well, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.240 we haven't discovered fire, because you know, twenty odd years 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:25.240 ago when I umpired my first game by accident, I 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.840 went down to watch my youngest brother play. So my 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.920 mum and dad were a bit worried about him. Come 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.040 and take an interest in him. So I went down 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.920 to watch him play and no umpire turned up. Yeah, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.160 And so then the club president comes over and I'm 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.800 playing in the under eighteen's that day goes ray. If 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.720 you umpire, the game will fill your cart with petrol, right, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.240 and we won't let anyone hang any shit on you, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.000 right Like that's literally it by college of us my career. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.880 So I can't see Marma, you still giving me twenty 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.240 bucks for petrol. She's like yep. So I pocketed that 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.760 bit of commerce and then I went back and I said, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.000 all right, nah, I'm in. And it got to halftime 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:00.960 and this old skinny I come over. His name is 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:06.160 Bob Stacey, ripping human being. I learned more about umpiring 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.840 in the three years that Bob was my coach and mentor. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:15.240 Then I've probably learned technically since he was just brilliant. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.520 This man's huge loan, right, and he is incredible. And 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.000 he says to me, oh, how long you how long 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.640 you been doing this for? And I said forty five 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.240 minutes and he has no, no, not today, like like how long? 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.840 I said, no one. I understood the question forty five minutes, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.319 face like, and he goes, you know, you can earn 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.800 six figures part time doing this. And I think at 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.640 the time, because I was in college, like I was 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.480 in year eleven, I think I was working at Eagle 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:47.120 Boys Pizza. Shout out to Eagle Boys Pizza. Let's go, mate, 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:53.080 pink Pole. And the bonus structure at Eagle Boys was 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.560 how many garlic breads you could knock off in a shifts, 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.560 so huge, So six figures part time. I'm like, mate, 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.360 I'm in. And I loved footy. I've always loved DFEL 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.160 footy and I played two hundred and fifty games for 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.720 my club. Guys like Aaron Hamil who is now coach 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.480 at Carlton, oh yeah yeah, and Craig Bolton who played 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.000 for Brisbane and Sydney. Yeah. Justin Bloomfield's a premiership player 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.600 at Essendon. So these those lads were all in the 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.400 same age group and now are a year younger than me. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.400 But that was sort of where I grew up. But 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.200 I was no good and they were awesome. So anyway, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.280 I ended up umpiring and I loved it, mate, I 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.280 loved it because it's anyway. But the point being is 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.840 that there was shortage of umpires thirty years ago. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.360 Yeah yeah, So it's been a consistent like headline for 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:40.480 thirty years. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.520 You yeah, And there's lots of reasons for that. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.120 I think it's just the fear of not having someone 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.400 like and there's always constant scrutiny around it where everyone goes, oh, well, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.280 you know, like we need to get better at this, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:52.480 we need to get better in this, and the reason 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.240 is because we don't have enough resources. We don't have 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.880 this with that, you know, And it's like it's like 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.120 an easy excuse maybe. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:02.000 I think also like there's lots of input, there's lots 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.160 of simple things we could do, I think to help it. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.560 But I know lots of people are genuinely invested in 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:14.400 trying to help recruit, retain, and make empiring something that's 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.280 more appealing to broader community, so you know what, all 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:18.000 power to them. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.800 Yeah, it's interesting, you've kind of died on a few 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.800 things and we're going to talk about definitely, but we'll 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.040 go back to so I guess you talked about recently 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.720 or sorry, just a second ago, about going and starting 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.160 I guess a bit of school and then getting into 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.120 umpiring and then from there having those kind of mentors 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.839 and everything else. Now you're a man who's got a 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.040 lot of experience in AFL and you've had a lot 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.600 of mentors along the way, and you're probably now on 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.600 the other side of the spectrum, where you're actually mentoring 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.840 young kids along the way, what is some of your 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.520 best advice Because you've had a successful career and it's 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.200 not even done, Like, yes, you're I need to actually 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.400 ask you this. How are you feeling? You've been injured, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:53.920 so I need to actually get an update here. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:58.559 So I've gone through the sorry, off the top of denial, denial, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.400 and I'll be fine, right, I'll be fine. Right, It's 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.240 only a torn tendon in the hip, You'll be fine. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.600 I mean we've run a bit, but I'll be fine. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:13.000 To trying to rehab and realizing that potentially I won't 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.320 be fine, right, So then anger, right, and then you know, 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.280 you get your The office sook for a few days, 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:25.200 and I'm at acceptance, acceptance, acceptance. So I've been I've 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.880 done my rest. I've been in the gym, building the 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.440 serreena and and just trying to yeah, get the strength 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.640 and everything back, and I tomorrow I'll do my fifth 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:41.679 run back. So I'm where we're working back in towards direction. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.959 You know what I do. I love the game, as 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.000 I said, and I have such incredible regard for those 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.679 who you know, the coaches, the players, and the fans. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.800 I mean you know that yourself, Like a couple of 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.480 years where we didn't have fans there, like it was 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:59.880 a different So I genuinely really highly value the game 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.680 and everyone who's involved in it. And so yeah, I'm 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.840 filthy when you watch these games that kicks after the 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.679 sire and draws and rarah, and you're like, it's the 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:14.000 last ten games of rus there just watching on the couch, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.600 going man. But but yeah, so I'll get there, I'll 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:19.400 get back. Yeah. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.920 Well, with all the experience you have, what is what's 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.040 some advice from maybe someone who's maybe listening, who doesn't 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.520 quite know what they're going to do with her life, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.840 maybe doesn't have a thirty year plan. I mean, obviously 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.560 you're probably life in general. You weren't probably planning to 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.280 be an mPire. You're probably you know, as a kid, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.480 wishing to be a cricket player and play for Australia 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.920 and all that and maybe playing the AFL. And then 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:40.440 now you can't take a bit of a left turn, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.240 you're kind of doing something different. Like, what is your 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.880 advice to someone who may be a bit lost in 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.320 the sense of what the career is going to be 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:45.839 going forward. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.240 This is awesome. And I was speaking to a young 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.360 fellow only just last week actually and caught up with 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.920 him and his parents. And I don't think you don't 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.440 need to have a destination in mind. Really. I think 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.840 it's great to have be aspirational and have people that 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.720 are your heroes. I love George Gregan, he played for 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.520 the Wallabies, right, And this guy was just the most 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.320 fierce competitor and he was a cricket out and he 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.760 was from Canberra, right, so I love this dude, right, yeah, absolutely, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.200 And then you know, so that's all cool, right, But 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.800 I think what it's about is just trying to understand 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.440 that being being happy, right, treating people well. So you 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.960 know we all at different times, Mason are We're givers 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.959 and takers at different times, right. And there's this saying 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.320 that I kind of like, which is, you know, takers 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.880 eat better, but give us sleep better. Right, And I 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.080 think if you can just go I'm not here to 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:47.040 be interesting. I'm actually wanting to be interested. Yeah that's 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.880 really hard. And I think I've learned some of this 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:53.120 stuff since being a dad actually to be fair, right, yeah, well, 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.200 you know, we get caught up and I'll be doing 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.720 this today because it's the nature of what we're doing, right. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:03.680 I will listen to your question and my intentions to respond, right, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.480 But when you're a dad, you actually you need to 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:13.840 listen to hear them. Yeah, is actually more important. So 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.000 then when you come back to your question, young person 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.600 not sure what they want to be, you don't need 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.680 to know the outcome. And you can have dreams and 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.160 goals and aspirations and all that bullshit, but really what 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.320 it is just bringing the best version of yourself every 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.680 day feet hit the ground and the world goes. Look out, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:32.600 old mates into it and enjoy your life. So treat 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.560 people well, find the joy, right, and then follow your nose. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.160 And I just you know, we're learning all the time. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.640 My mom is a great example. Hey, we love moms 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.320 on the show. Right, My mum's a great example of 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.840 the answer to this question, or just trying to give 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.920 an illustration as to what I'm trying to say, Right, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.240 my mom went to typing school mate, Right, I still 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.360 give a shit about that, Patricia Ellen Chamberlain, do you 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:03.720 realize you're that old type in school? Raymond John? Right, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.400 it's madness. Right, So the point being is the world 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.320 just evolves so rapidly, right, and all these different bits 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.080 and pieces and you're zigging and zagging. So you we're learning. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.720 Nothing's done. Every day is a school day, all that gear, right, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:25.400 So don't fret about the outcome, right, Immerse yourself in 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.960 what you're doing by all means, as I said, have 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.160 aspirations and goals, but immerse yourself in the day and 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:31.880 the people you're with. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:37.480 That's sharing the experience with those such a massive part 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.480 of like actually being happy. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.240 I feel like totally and I don't want to get 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.160 all number stay on people or whatever, but it is 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.480 it's like, don't worry about where you land, right, it's 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.360 that whole travel piece, and you know, winning and losing 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:52.240 together the cool, the results whatever. I can think of 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.360 some of our games we're we come up. I remember 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:55.960 coming off a game with the SCG, I thought we 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:57.320 were going to get crap beat out of it. So 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.360 well so the security guards there I've known since I 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.800 was a kid, right because I was doing with scurity. 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.160 Those boys tight right, So AFL reserves and that, and 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.040 I'd always you get the AFL would bring out these 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.800 The broadcasters have a tie every year that have a 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.200 broadcaster's tie, and I'd get one and I'd always give 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.200 it to the security guard. He loved it, and he 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.200 still looks after me today, this bloke, he's a legend 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.920 in Citney. Anyway, we do this game and there'd been 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.440 an error and this is back before your time. There's 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.840 only one boundary on pire on each side, right, so 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.080 those boys had to shammer mate. And if the ball 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.920 got rebounded out of deep fifty, there's no way they 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.360 could see it on the half of a flank, like 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.520 it's physically impossible. And this ball on the replay it 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.600 looked like the ball almost hit the fence, it was 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.240 that far out right and got the goal results on that. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.480 Now they're up by two points. Fans are cutting losing 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.160 it anyway, Essendon win and we're like Jesus, now I'm 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.120 in the field, so I'm washing my hands clear of 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.480 this has got nothing to do with me. Right where 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.560 we're about to make our way off and you've got 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.840 to walk with the crowd in Sydney and the security 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.040 guards come barreling out, now they don't normally do that. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.600 They meet us about five meters off the ground and 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.480 he's come running out Jesus and he just looked at me. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:15.840 He goes, keep your mouth shut and your head down. Right. Wow. Anyway, 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:20.919 it was a pretty ordinary reception this day, right, But 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:25.040 we still talk about that night. Yeah, Like Scott McLaren 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.160 and Chris Donlin and myself we were the three umpires 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.919 right as forever ago. But I remember that like it 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.040 was last night. So it wasn't a great night for it. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.879 Off the field, no, no, we walked off. Yeah, it 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:41.760 would have been dead spread, no chance. Yeah, it wasn't great. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.520 And I remember I learned a lot because so we 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.879 were the embryos, right and Scottie he was like the 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.800 old boy who was responsible. Now, it had nothing to 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.160 do with him that because it was a boundary on Pire, 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.159 but he knew he was going to be held accountable 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.919 boy our coaches that things didn't go the way they 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.480 meant to write. He was so flat after the game 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.320 because we had this umpiring issue, right, And I learned 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.479 the responsibility actually that is accompanied in the role. Up 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:12.879 until that, I just thought it was really cool to 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.640 be doing these games. I didn't realize for the big 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.879 dogs back and ending of it, what comes with it, right, 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.359 because I'm still too new to understand. So even in 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.760 the losses, you've got these great stories and memories and 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.000 it's because of the people that you're with. So really, mate, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.680 that's a long way for us getting to answer your question, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.080 but quite frankly that you get on with your day. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.119 It's about the people you were with and the experiences 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:40.600 you have, memories you create, agreed numbers, stake numbers. Numbers correct, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.920 We'll go back to your university. Now, your teacher, that's 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:45.560 what they're in teaching? 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:46.960 Is that right now? 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.080 I feel like teaching and the way a lot of 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.520 people know you is you. Someone might have a crack 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.040 at you and you kind of go, oh, that's inappropriate. Now, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:56.920 it put you to know, don't say those kind of words. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.960 We're not about that. You know, like you very you 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:00.480 like a teacher to the too. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:00.879 Players. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.440 I feel like sometimes there's a bit on that. Now, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.000 what lessons have you learned in teaching that you apply 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.359 to your life now? Because teaching is something that we 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.560 I think undervalue as a society. Teachers have the hardest 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.080 job that you will ever find anyone else in this world. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:20.400 To have you spent four years doing your Bachelor of education, right, 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.160 come out, you get a job. If you're any good, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.600 they load up with every other responsibility that you can 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.440 think of because they're so underresourced. Right, this is within 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.840 the system. And then so what happens then the very 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.720 last thing that you get to is actually the pedagogy, right, 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.520 the science of teaching and learning. It's the last You 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.480 don't even get to it because you're doing every other 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.200 thing within the system and your three steps from the door, 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.639 and it's like, what lesson is this? Who's here? What 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.680 are we doing today? And I found that really hard 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.200 to actually accept. I was, actually I meant to be 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.280 engaging with each of these individuals and understanding them and 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.479 then conveying things in a way that you understand versus 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.120 they understand versus. And I'm not doing any of that 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:09.480 because I'm doing administering all these other programs and whatever, right, 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.880 So that I found that really really quite frustrating. So, yeah, 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.560 teaching is a challenge. What I mean, I think one 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.400 of the cool things like if I talk to you 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.720 in a certain and we've got an issue to discuss 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.240 or whatever, I can talk in a certain way. But 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.359 if I'm talking with Dustin Martin, as an example, it 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.000