Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, the blow
Speaker 1: up over the viral Henny Cardigan, Sky Wheatley's partner's business
Speaker 1: goes into external administration, and m Davies touching baby news.
Speaker 1: But first, Sophie, you're still reeling from Molly May and
Speaker 1: Tommy Fury's breakup news. As the official Outspoken correspondent, can
Speaker 1: you tell us the latest yet? Well, we haven't heard
Speaker 1: any confirmation yet from Molly May. She has remained silent
Speaker 1: on this topic, but that hasn't stopped the rumor meal
Speaker 1: from going into absolute overdrive. We are swimming in a
Speaker 1: lot of rumors on the internet at the moment. The
Speaker 1: one gaining the most traction is the rumor that Tommy
Speaker 1: cheated on Molly during an alcohol field lad's holiday to
Speaker 1: North Macedonia with a Danish girl. Well, this was actually
Speaker 1: printed in the Sun. Yeah. According to the Sun, Tommy
Speaker 1: was seen kissing a blonde woman in a nightclub during
Speaker 1: what they described as a two am vodka binge. Now,
Speaker 1: this was reportedly just days before Molly May announced their
Speaker 1: split on Instagram. A source who claims to have witnessed
Speaker 1: the kiss told the son he was down in gray
Speaker 1: Goose vodka and didn't seem to care who saw him
Speaker 1: with the girl he kissed her. This will be heartbreaking
Speaker 1: for Molly May. There was also a quote that interested
Speaker 1: me from Molly's so called friend, and the friend, of
Speaker 1: course isn't named in this article, but I would not
Speaker 1: be surprised if her manager, Fran was briefing the press.
Speaker 1: So the friend was quoted in the newspapers saying Molly
Speaker 1: was told he had cheated on her with a Danish
Speaker 1: woman he'd met while he was away in Macedonia. She
Speaker 1: didn't want to believe it was true. When she confronted
Speaker 1: him and asked him if he had cheated on her,
Speaker 1: Tommy didn't deny it. It told Molly May all she
Speaker 1: needed to know, and she ended it. He's moved out
Speaker 1: of the house and she's absolutely reeling from it all.
Speaker 1: Tommy's management team have also been working hard in the
Speaker 1: background trying to shoot down some of them rumors. They
Speaker 1: released a statement saying that he has been left horrified
Speaker 1: by the false rumors and he's also consulting currently with
Speaker 1: his lawyers because of these rumors that are being circulated
Speaker 1: by the meeting. It's pretty bold of his team to
Speaker 1: come out and label these allegations as false, because surely
Speaker 1: there is a woman waiting in the wings, just getting
Speaker 1: ready to tell her story. Yeah, but when they're talking
Speaker 1: about false rumors, I think what they're referring to other
Speaker 1: rumors that we touched on on Friday's episode, and that
Speaker 1: was in relation to a TikTok rumor that Tommy had
Speaker 1: impregnated a boxing coach's daughter. Oh yeah, Now that gained
Speaker 1: a lot of momentum online and people were harassing the woman,
Speaker 1: leaving comments saying, tell us that this isn't Tommy Fury's child,
Speaker 1: and her dad had to come out and say, I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe what we woke up to. She has a
Speaker 1: lovely partner. Here's a photo of them together. So I
Speaker 1: think that his team is saying, look, this rumor is
Speaker 1: not true. It's been proven to be und true. So
Speaker 1: you've got to be really careful about what you're going
Speaker 1: to post in the future. Yeah, you need to get
Speaker 1: your source is not from TikTok. Makes right, I met
Speaker 1: that could be a good start.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The paparazzi have been camped outside Molly's house for days now,
Speaker 1: which would just be so incredibly tough when you're going
Speaker 1: through a breakup. That being said, I was very interested
Speaker 1: to see who were her support people in that moment
Speaker 1: because we do know that her sister is currently away
Speaker 1: on her honeymoon. And it was so cute because her
Speaker 1: dad rocked up with a bunch of flowers and he
Speaker 1: has also unfollowed Tommy on Instagram, which sends a strong
Speaker 1: message from her manager was also there as well as
Speaker 1: a handful of her other friends and everyone has been
Speaker 1: waiting to catch the first glimpse of Molly since the breakup,
Speaker 1: where everyone wants to see if she's doing okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it didn't disappoint because the paparazzi snapped Molly and
Speaker 1: her friends in the car at the McDonald's drive through.
Speaker 1: Can she be any more relatable? That's the first thing
Speaker 1: that anyone does when they're going through a breakup. They've
Speaker 1: got to get in the car with their friends, put
Speaker 1: on breakup music and get McDonald's like it is the
Speaker 1: best therapy. I would have loved to know what was
Speaker 1: on their playlist and what they were discussing. You want
Speaker 1: to know what they ordered? What about the person who's
Speaker 1: serving Molly bay though? How awkward? Like tell me everything now.
Speaker 1: The paparazzi also snapped photos of Tommy returning home Briefly.
Speaker 1: He was only there for forty minutes on Friday, but
Speaker 1: it's believed it's the first time Tommy and Molly have
Speaker 1: seen each other since they're split, and everyone is talking
Speaker 1: about what is going to happen to their beautiful six
Speaker 1: bedroom mansion. So interestingly, there are reports that, according to
Speaker 1: the land registry papers, this house, which was bought for
Speaker 1: three point eight pounds in twenty twenty two, was solely
Speaker 1: purchased in Molly's name, So this means that Tommy is
Speaker 1: unlikely to have any financial stake in this property. I
Speaker 1: am so happy to hear that because you can just
Speaker 1: tell what a safe haven that home is for Molly.
Speaker 1: It has her written all over, it is her interior design,
Speaker 1: so I'm glad it looks like she'll get to keep
Speaker 1: that in the split. I'm wondering how that works, because
Speaker 1: if you're a de facto's in Australia, regardless of if
Speaker 1: your name is on the paperwork, you still have some
Speaker 1: claim to the property. I don't know if the rules
Speaker 1: are different in the UK, but I'm hoping that Molly's
Speaker 1: able to keep the house. Now for those who are
Speaker 1: hoping that maybe Tommy and Molly might be able to
Speaker 1: work through their issues, is looking more and more unlikely
Speaker 1: because a large skip has been seen outside the mansion
Speaker 1: with a suitcase poking out the top of it, and
Speaker 1: many think that this skip is slowly going to be
Speaker 1: filled with Tommy's belongings and that suitcase is his. If
Speaker 1: a picture doesn't paint a thousand words, I think that
Speaker 1: she wants the paparazzi to see him having to fish
Speaker 1: that suitcase out of the skip, because that would be
Speaker 1: absolutely iconic. It just sends the strong message that he
Speaker 1: has done something and we're all waiting to unpack what
Speaker 1: that is. He needs to be put in the bin,
Speaker 1: doesn't he Yes, I.
Speaker 2: Don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear?
Speaker 1: Author Kate Forster says she's been inundated with prank calls
Speaker 1: and online abuse since creating a TikTok video calling out
Speaker 1: the viral Henny Cardigan. The fifty three year old questioned,
Speaker 1: young people all want to look the same by wearing
Speaker 1: the cult cardigan created by fashion influencer Nardier Bartel. So
Speaker 1: this cardigan has been all over my for you page.
Speaker 1: It is everywhere. Every time I go on TikTok, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing a fashion influencer either reviewing this cardigan or showing
Speaker 1: how to style it. Now, the cardigan is called Selene,
Speaker 1: and what makes it stand out is the fact that
Speaker 1: it's fluffy. So it's made from our packer blend and
Speaker 1: it comes in a range of different colors. It currently
Speaker 1: retails for two hundred and twenty nine dollars, which is
Speaker 1: quite expensive for a cardigan. I mean it is pricey.
Speaker 1: I don't own the viral Henny cardigan, and I want
Speaker 1: to put it out there. Please no one come after me.
Speaker 1: But I know that this is one item of clothing
Speaker 1: that my husband would pay me out for wearing. So
Speaker 1: it's more of like girls get this kind of fashion. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: this is something that I don't think guys would get.
Speaker 1: And for the purpose of this podcast, I ask my husband,
Speaker 1: what is your take on this cardigan? And he said
Speaker 1: that he thinks I would look like a little kiwi
Speaker 1: fruit wearing it, which isn't actually that bad, Like, that's
Speaker 1: kind of cute, a little kiwi fruit with fur on it.
Speaker 1: I actually think it's quite a cute way to describe it.
Speaker 1: But I pushed him even further and he said that
Speaker 1: it kind of looked like the designer got a glue
Speaker 1: stick rubbed it all over the cardigan and then someone
Speaker 1: rolled around in hair. Are you trying to get Brandon canceled?
Speaker 1: Because people are very passionate about this cardigan. Well, after
Speaker 1: he gave me his honest review, I told him that
Speaker 1: women are coming after anyone who speaks badly about this cardigan,
Speaker 1: and he looked genuinely horrified, and he pleaded with me
Speaker 1: not to mention his comments. So it looks like a
Speaker 1: really cozy cargan. Yeah, it has been touted as this
Speaker 1: perfect winter staple because it looks very warm, especially if
Speaker 1: you're living in Melbourne where it's extra cold. Now. This
Speaker 1: cardigan is currently so hard to get your hands on
Speaker 1: because it is so hyped up on TikTok.
Speaker 3: I have been trying to get my hands on the
Speaker 3: items in this package for quite literally months, so I'm
Speaker 3: very excited to open them. We've all seen it, the
Speaker 3: viral handy cardigans I got it in two colors, so let's.
Speaker 2: Try them up.
Speaker 1: I have noticed that TikTokers are always leaving their LTK
Speaker 1: codes that their followers can go and shop their Henny
Speaker 1: look and on the Henny website. This cardigan is currently
Speaker 1: out of stock, but there's a little countdown to when
Speaker 1: it will be back, so I think it's almost a
Speaker 1: way to build hype, like, oh my god, I've got
Speaker 1: to get my hands on this cardigan. Yeah, but despite
Speaker 1: it being out of stock, the Henny marketing team is
Speaker 1: continuing to drip feed gifted cardigans to micro influencers purely
Speaker 1: so they'll post about it, creating more hype around this item.
Speaker 1: Well yeah. I recently saw one TikToker who has four
Speaker 1: thousand followers, saying that Henny had just dropped her the
Speaker 1: out of stock cardigan, which then motivated her to create
Speaker 1: a try on video about it. Here's what she said,
Speaker 1: I must be in Henny's good books today.
Speaker 4: Unannounced, the postman arrived with the delivery and inside was
Speaker 4: the sold out Selene CARDI it's basically impossible to get
Speaker 4: your hands on. Somehow, I got said one. I am
Speaker 4: so obsessed.
Speaker 1: I think this is a really clever tactic because if
Speaker 1: Henny were to gift this out of stock cardigan to
Speaker 1: large influencers, I think that that would create a lot
Speaker 1: of animosity and jealousy. But because they're gifting it to
Speaker 1: micro influencers who feel like our friends, it's subtly reminding us,
Speaker 1: don't forget about this cardigan. It's coming out soon. And
Speaker 1: also at the same time, we're hearing a micro influencer
Speaker 1: who was so appreciative to get it. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: brand is one of those cool girl brands. It's very chic,
Speaker 1: it's very Melbourne. It was founded by influencer Nadia Bartel
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen with her sister, and it has quickly
Speaker 1: become a cult favorite.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now this is where author Kate Forster enters the chat.
Speaker 1: So she is a best selling author who recently joined
Speaker 1: TikTok and in the space of a few weeks, she's
Speaker 1: gained over twenty four thousand followers, and that's by sharing
Speaker 1: advice and fashion reviews. And I have to put it
Speaker 1: out there. I am a big fan of her content.
Speaker 1: She is refreshingly honest and absolutely hilarious. Her content is
Speaker 1: very satirical and she just says it how it is.
Speaker 1: She's been popping up a lot for me, and I
Speaker 1: find her content it's like, it's nothing serious, it's just funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I first came across her content when she created a
Speaker 1: couple of tiktoks about the Witchery rebrand. Here's a snippet
Speaker 1: of what she said, Why why.
Speaker 2: Do you give a fuck about a mid brand like
Speaker 2: bloody Witchery? But Witchery is just not it. It was never it.
Speaker 2: It was always low rent Mimco and I hate Mimco.
Speaker 2: So stop worrying about it. Go and invest in better fashion,
Speaker 2: better quality, better style, support young creators. I don't know,
Speaker 2: just fucking get over Witchery.
Speaker 1: As you can hear from this clip, she is hilarious,
Speaker 1: but she's also very passionate about women supporting other brands,
Speaker 1: and not just the mainstream brands. Since that video, she's
Speaker 1: reviewed Zimmerman, Country Road, Sports Girl, Cookie, Suzanne's Spell, and
Speaker 1: also White Fox. White Fox was one of my favorites. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go and check it out, like, oh my god, so
Speaker 1: spot on. But it wasn't until she shared her thoughts
Speaker 1: on Henny that her account really took off. Here's what
Speaker 1: she said.
Speaker 2: So hear me out right I say all those girls
Speaker 2: I saw an influencer yesterday to say that all the
Speaker 2: women of Australia except for the fat ones, are wearing
Speaker 2: the Henny Cardi. So I don't understand why girls who
Speaker 2: say their influencers are then all wearing the same uniform.
Speaker 2: It's this Henny Cardi that you know. I'm in my
Speaker 2: late twenties early thirties version of a white Fox sweater.
Speaker 2: I'm just questioning because I do see it a lot,
Speaker 2: and I'm just wondering, if you're going to be an
Speaker 2: influencer and a fashionista, why are you not looking at
Speaker 2: other brands for cardigans? For example? Like, it's a fucking cardigan.
Speaker 2: How do you want to wear the same thing as
Speaker 2: everyone else? Now?
Speaker 1: She is bang on describing the Henny cardigan as the
Speaker 1: late twenties to thirties version of the white Fox jumper,
Speaker 1: because it is exactly what it is. She has hit
Speaker 1: the nail on the head now. Kate then proceeded to
Speaker 1: show her followers a range of cardigans that other small
Speaker 1: brands sold and questioned why you'd want to look like
Speaker 1: the same person walking down the street. She then finished
Speaker 1: by saying this, Can.
Speaker 2: I stop saying the same fashion influences, wearing the same friggin' things.
Speaker 2: It's not a uniform. Start showing me what's good, not
Speaker 2: what everyone else is wearing.
Speaker 1: In a now deleted video, she also compared Henny wearers
Speaker 1: to bogans. Now that frustrated and upset a lot of people,
Speaker 1: shots fired. They again, I had the feeling it was satirical.
Speaker 1: I think she really hit the nail on the head
Speaker 1: about this concept of people wearing a uniform. Ever since TikTok,
Speaker 1: there's been this real desire to replicate trends and follow
Speaker 1: whatever the cool girl is currently wearing on there. It's
Speaker 1: not a platform that encourages people to be different and
Speaker 1: stand out, because you get rewarded if you copy other
Speaker 1: people's fashion trends. It's all about making sure also that
Speaker 1: you fit this cool girl aesthetic that's being dictated to us.
Speaker 1: And I think that with the cost of living crisis,
Speaker 1: we're also being told to look at capsule wardrobes and
Speaker 1: buy items that we can mix and match with others,
Speaker 1: and people are moving away from statement items. I'm always
Speaker 1: hearing stylist talk on TikTok about this is how you
Speaker 1: can create a uniform for work or a uniform for
Speaker 1: the weekend. Even no one has their own style, as
Speaker 1: you said, anymore, no one wants to stand out from
Speaker 1: the crowd. There's been so many times I've gone to
Speaker 1: a cafe and it's the white fox hoodies, like as
Speaker 1: Kate said, everyone wears. And I think, how embarrassing would
Speaker 1: that be if teenage? Yeah, all tenagers. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like when we were at high school and you'd have
Speaker 1: casual day. But back when we were high Scott was
Speaker 1: the billabong jacket and you'd be so embarrassed because you'd
Speaker 1: rock up and two other people would be wearing the
Speaker 1: same bang. It would be awful. As an adult, it's
Speaker 1: really awkward wearing the same thing as someone as well.
Speaker 1: I went to a wedding recently where I wore this
Speaker 1: bright blue dress. It was my sister in law's wedding
Speaker 1: and one of her friends wore the exact same dress,
Speaker 1: but we just had to own it. We ended up
Speaker 1: getting photos together and it was something we could bond over.
Speaker 1: But I do see the irony of going out to brunch.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I always envision in Melbourne and there's
Speaker 1: just a swarm of thirty something women in this fluffy
Speaker 1: jumper than Dewey is walking around little Kiwi fruits. Thank
Speaker 1: god there are different colors though, that might at least
Speaker 1: make you stand out a little bit.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Kate's video went absolutely viral, with a large portion of
Speaker 1: women actually agreeing wholeheardly with what she said, but it
Speaker 1: was also met with a lot of criticism. So one
Speaker 1: user told Kate that she is giving pick me vibes
Speaker 1: and finished by saying that the Cardi slap so you
Speaker 1: can tell that it's a there these girls sounds so triggered,
Speaker 1: I know. Another person said, have you actually tried it on?
Speaker 1: It's popular for a reason. Now, her video definitely seem
Speaker 1: to ruffle the feathers of fashion influencers who began sharing
Speaker 1: their thoughts on her video, But the catch was that
Speaker 1: they were doing what she described was a dog whistle.
Speaker 1: So what a dog whistle is is that you don't
Speaker 1: actually name the person that you're speaking about, but you
Speaker 1: act as if it's just a general thought about some
Speaker 1: like a trend that's happening, even though it's clearly one
Speaker 1: person that you're directing it out. Hate this this happens
Speaker 1: all the time. We've had this where people will literally like,
Speaker 1: they'll be talking about something our podcast has spoken about,
Speaker 1: but they won't reference the podcast because they know that
Speaker 1: people will go over to it and agree, Yeah, why
Speaker 1: no context is what they're saying either because they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't really matter. It was you know,
Speaker 1: it was some gossip thing. And then and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: just name it. Own it. You gotta call something out,
Speaker 1: name it. The funniest thing is I think that we
Speaker 1: were actually just dog whistling ourselves then. But I think
Speaker 1: people will be able to read into it. Will we
Speaker 1: name and name and shame all the time. We may
Speaker 1: go into that in a subs episode because we're getting
Speaker 1: off track now. A fashion influencer called ari Yasman, who
Speaker 1: has over twenty thousand followers on TikTok, created a video
Speaker 1: not naming Kate, but saying she doesn't like the current
Speaker 1: trend of people critiquing viral outfits in a passive aggressive way.
Speaker 6: Here's what she said, quick one, When did we start
Speaker 6: being mean to people about liking and wearing popular items
Speaker 6: of clothing. There's a genre of video I really like
Speaker 6: on here, which is kind of talking about trends, maybe
Speaker 6: critiquing trends, maybe critiquing brands when they're not doing good enough,
Speaker 6: like the Witchery rebrand. Then there's another trend that I
Speaker 6: don't think I like so much, and that's kind of
Speaker 6: critiquing individual creators or people for wearing what we don't
Speaker 6: think are interesting enough outfits, or wearing something that's really
Speaker 6: viral or really popular. Some of the stuff I've seen
Speaker 6: recently kind of just seems to be being passive aggressive
Speaker 6: to people who like wearing things that are popular in
Speaker 6: Australia right now. But I feel like, are we not
Speaker 6: just making women feel bad about themselves for something that's
Speaker 6: not problematic and not hurting anyone.
Speaker 1: She finished by asking everyone else's thoughts on the matter
Speaker 1: and says she's forming her opinion on it as she speaks. However,
Speaker 1: Kate Forster actually accused her of removing any comments that
Speaker 1: didn't agree with her opinion. So it's interesting to ask
Speaker 1: for comments but then not like it when someone shares
Speaker 1: a different opinion. Now, there was a very mixed response,
Speaker 1: as I said in the comment section, and one of
Speaker 1: the notable responses was from Victoria Devine, who runs the
Speaker 1: She's on the Money podcast, and she agreed with Ari's sentiment, writing,
Speaker 1: it's not even being passive aggressive, She's being a bully.
Speaker 1: I can't believe in twenty twenty four so many people
Speaker 1: are supportive of her content. Now, a follower reply to
Speaker 1: Victoria saying, I'm genuinely surprised to see you making this comment.
Speaker 1: I followed you for a while now which part is bulling?
Speaker 1: And I shared the same sentiment as this commenter now,
Speaker 1: Victoria responded, if you don't see the content I'm referring
Speaker 1: to as blatant bulling, perhaps you shouldn't follow me. She continued,
Speaker 1: saying her body shaming and name calling should be glaringly
Speaker 1: obvious signs of bullying. No, I'm really surprised that Victoria
Speaker 1: would weigh into this and have this opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: she is a friend of the podcast, we have heard
Speaker 1: her on the show before. Though maybe she owns a
Speaker 1: Henny Cardigan and just saw red like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I do think that the word bulling by the general public, though,
Speaker 1: has been weaponized in twenty twenty four. I think that
Speaker 1: people are so quick to label any sort of critical
Speaker 1: thinking as bulling, and just because someone might critique something
Speaker 1: or challenge your way of thinking, I don't think that
Speaker 1: we can categorize that as bulling. I have never seen
Speaker 1: Kate body shame anyone. I've consumed a lot of her content,
Speaker 1: and if anything, she is the one who has been
Speaker 1: copying a lot of derogatory remarks about her appearance. There's
Speaker 1: been a lot of young women seeming to take issue
Speaker 1: with the way that she looks, calling her fat, saying
Speaker 1: she looks like Hagrid, and she's had a laugh about that,
Speaker 1: but I can tell that it has actually affected her.
Speaker 1: It's just so nasty. The whole thing to me seems
Speaker 1: quite ageist. It's like, how dare you a woman who's
Speaker 1: in her fifties have an opinion on fashion? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: ultimately what I think it comes down to. You know,
Speaker 1: in this day and age where everyone's so woke, maybe
Speaker 1: this content might be surprising to some because it's quite
Speaker 1: refreshing to see someone actually being satirical. She drops the
Speaker 1: odd F bomb, she pokes fun. It's very lighthearted. But
Speaker 1: do any of these Jen Edison have like a sense
Speaker 1: of humans? Yet? How can people not tell this is
Speaker 1: a jog and it's not even as you said, it's not.
Speaker 1: She hasn't body shamed anyone. It's simply a joke about fashion,
Speaker 1: but it's also the fact that she is actually very
Speaker 1: passionate about fashion, and she's just calling out the fact
Speaker 1: that there's no individuality and she wants people to support
Speaker 1: smaller brands because a lot of smaller fashion brands are
Speaker 1: going under now. Kate hit back to the critique, saying this.
Speaker 2: Say, a lot of these fucking young women on here
Speaker 2: who are afraid to actually say what they think. Do
Speaker 2: you know what, that's the number one thing that will
Speaker 2: get you through life is fucking sticking to your ideals
Speaker 2: and your values and having a fucking inner moral compass. Right.
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear.
Speaker 2: I actually really don't care. It's all a fucking meme.
Speaker 2: This app it's all a meme simply asking people to
Speaker 2: look at other brands because the Australian industry, fashion industry
Speaker 2: is in the fucking toilet. So if you're all wearing Hanny,
Speaker 2: what about the other nitweb providers.
Speaker 1: Kate also raised a really interesting point about kickbacks which
Speaker 1: influencers receive for pushing certain brands. So a common theme
Speaker 1: through the viral Henny Cardigan videos is influencers offering up
Speaker 1: their LTK links to shop the law. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen LTK before, it is basically an app
Speaker 1: where you can shop your favorite influencers content. So they
Speaker 1: don't just put clothes up there. You can also shop
Speaker 1: their furniture and their house, or their paintings or their homeware.
Speaker 1: It's very clever marketing. It's basically an affiliate link, so
Speaker 1: everything is for sale, that's right. So what happens with
Speaker 1: the Henny cardigan is an influencer will share their LTK
Speaker 1: link and it will then direct you to the Henny website.
Speaker 1: But what a lot of people don't know is that
Speaker 1: the influencer actually receives a commission for each purchase you make.
Speaker 1: It can be very lucrative for fashion influencers because they
Speaker 1: can make anywhere between ten to thirty percent off that
Speaker 1: affiliate link. So when it comes to an item like
Speaker 1: at the Henny cardigan, which is two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: nine dollars, they are making twenty two dollars ninety of
Speaker 1: every cardigan you purchase from their link, So clearly they
Speaker 1: have an incentive to be pushing that cardigan, to be
Speaker 1: creating content around that Cardigan and Hennier also very clever
Speaker 1: to be on LTK because they get access to over
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand influencers who were signed up to it,
Speaker 1: and when you search Henny on LTK, you can see
Speaker 1: just how many people are collaborating with them, just how
Speaker 1: many people are building hype over this cardigan. Now, this
Speaker 1: discovery led Kate to question are the kickbacks the reason
Speaker 1: so many influencers are pushing this cardigan? Here's what she
Speaker 1: had to say.
Speaker 5: So is the Henny Cardigan viral because it's a great cardigan,
Speaker 5: because I've heard mixed reviews and I don't give a shit.
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna wear it. Is it viral because everyone
Speaker 5: loves it? Or is it viral because all the influencers
Speaker 5: are getting a percentage of when they sell it, so
Speaker 5: you have to be transparent as an influencer.
Speaker 1: Kate also questioned the transparency, saying if influencers have to
Speaker 1: declare paid partnerships, why don't they have to say they're
Speaker 1: getting a cut each time they push a cardigan? Which
Speaker 1: is such a good point. It is such a valid
Speaker 1: point because if I'm shopping in influencers, look, I want
Speaker 1: to know what they're making from it, because are they
Speaker 1: telling me that this pair of jeans is great because
Speaker 1: they genuinely like it, or is it because they're making
Speaker 1: a huge commission of it now. Things really escalated when
Speaker 1: Kate started receiving prank calls to her house, so she
Speaker 1: posted a TikTok at one am on a Saturday night
Speaker 1: saying she hadn't slept because of repeated calls from people
Speaker 1: abusing her for calling out influences over a cardigan. Here's
Speaker 1: what she said.
Speaker 2: I have received repeated phone calls to my house to
Speaker 2: my mobile phone, which I don't know where they got
Speaker 2: my fucking number. I probably didn't hide it very well.
Speaker 2: They have called me many times and made fun of
Speaker 2: me over the phone about this. So if you think
Speaker 2: you're standing for Henny, you're actually putting a massive skid
Speaker 2: mark on it, because now on and my I don't know,
Speaker 2: NOI sixteen thousand followers probably are going to look at
Speaker 2: this brand and gone say, well, you kind of aren't
Speaker 2: pretending to be something that you're not more power than
Speaker 2: you think by threatening me over the phone, by invading
Speaker 2: my personal space because I asked an influencer who always
Speaker 2: talks about fashion to try other brands and then ask
Speaker 2: general Australian influencers to try other brands because Australian fashion
Speaker 2: is in a crisis. You have actually done this brand
Speaker 2: a disservice because you have made the brand look like
Speaker 2: main girls. I don't know if they are or aren't.
Speaker 1: Kate finished by saying she was worried for her safety.
Speaker 1: This is shocking that things have escalated this much over
Speaker 1: a cardigan. It would be really terrifying for her as well.
Speaker 1: I mean she's got ten age kids, she's hopped on
Speaker 1: TikTok really for the first time. I mean, she's no
Speaker 1: stranger to the industry. She's had radio shows before, she's
Speaker 1: a very successful author. But it would be a very
Speaker 1: strange feeling to be targeted in this way over something
Speaker 1: that you see as lighthearted. For TikTokers are just next level,
Speaker 1: aren't they. Yeah? I mean I think strolling and the
Speaker 1: commentary's disgusting. Absolute cesspool of people. Now I want to
Speaker 1: point out what an absolute class act Nadia Bartel is
Speaker 1: because following this revelation, she DMed Kate to apologize. She wrote, Hi, Kate,
Speaker 1: I am reaching out to you because of a few
Speaker 1: of your tiktoks I've seen. I'm so sorry you have
Speaker 1: been receiving threatening calls to your home. Neither Henny nor
Speaker 1: I support bulling of any form. So Kate shared this
Speaker 1: DM to her TikTok, saying she told Nadia the tea
Speaker 1: and they both agreed. Some people in privileged positions should
Speaker 1: know better what an absolute burn she is sharing this
Speaker 1: to her TikTok to say that your queen, Nadia Bartell
Speaker 1: is siding with me. It's just a big fuck you. Basically,
Speaker 1: I just think that this is a really fantastic pr
Speaker 1: move by Nadia. She could have blocked Kate or got
Speaker 1: angry that she was commenting about her brand, but she
Speaker 1: rose above her and befriended her. And I think we've
Speaker 1: seen so many influences in the past take any sort
Speaker 1: of criticism or feedback badly. They blow up and they
Speaker 1: don't even take the chance to actually look at what
Speaker 1: people have said about them. Yeah, here's some free PR
Speaker 1: advice for influencers. If you get called out, don't go
Speaker 1: on the attack. Go in there with kindness. Because of anything,
Speaker 1: Kate has actually pumped up this cardigan even more. She
Speaker 1: has shown how devoted these Henny fans are. I want
Speaker 1: it now exactly. I might have looked at Henny I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't think the Kiwi cardigan is
Speaker 1: for me. But she's got some k Selene, Selene, She's
Speaker 1: got some really amazing bomber jackets and jeans. Nadia just
Speaker 1: looks cool in anything. I stand that so hard. Did
Speaker 1: you bring out like a penny plastic bag for freakin
Speaker 1: two hundred bucks and people would buy it? Or maybe
Speaker 1: not plastic, maybe paper.
Speaker 2: You guys are gonna be her best friend.
Speaker 1: Perth influencer m Davies has announced the birth of her
Speaker 1: first child, and surprisingly, this is an influencer baby name.
Speaker 1: I think that outspoken can get behind. Yeah, I really
Speaker 1: like it. So Em and her partner Joel Gamban have
Speaker 1: named their daughter Eila Sue Gambon, and perhaps this is
Speaker 1: a sign of the times that we're going to see
Speaker 1: more influencers going for traditional names. Well, Eiler was actually
Speaker 1: crowned as the most popular girl's name in Queensland in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and as you said, Amy, it is
Speaker 1: quite unusual to see influencers go for a name that's
Speaker 1: very mainstream.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Em previously told her followers not to expect a
Speaker 1: weird baby name from her because she said she much
Speaker 1: prefers the traditional names, and she even gave her followers
Speaker 1: an insight into the style of baby names she liked
Speaker 1: before give birth. So for the girls that included Delilah, Maye, Sadie, Stevie, Rommy,
Speaker 1: and Alaura, I'd say there are a few unusual names
Speaker 1: the way. Well, I think that they're pretty normal by
Speaker 1: today's stand Yeah, it's not like kombucherous because my algorithm
Speaker 1: is constantly feeding me kids' names and these ones are
Speaker 1: very popular at the moment. And for boys' names, she
Speaker 1: also liked Blue, Carter, and Kai. And it was really
Speaker 1: beautiful because Em selected her baby's middle name as Sue,
Speaker 1: and that's named after her mum, who sadly passed away.
Speaker 1: Some followers were quite intrigued because em had said that
Speaker 1: no matter what, she wanted, to call the baby's middle
Speaker 1: name Sue. So people were thinking, well, if you were
Speaker 1: going to call your boy blue, would it have been blue?
Speaker 1: Sue sounds like blues clues. Surely she wouldn't have given
Speaker 1: the name Sue for a boys, I know now. Her
Speaker 1: mom did sadly pass away a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and em has spoken in great depth about feeling very
Speaker 1: connected to her mum during her pregnancy, particularly being pregnant
Speaker 1: with a baby girl, and she shared a really sweet
Speaker 1: photo showing a little red birthmark near her daughter's eye
Speaker 1: and wrote angel kisses from Nanny in the sky, which
Speaker 1: was really sweet. Well, m broke the news on Instagram,
Speaker 1: sharing a carousel of photos of her newborn with the
Speaker 1: caption thirteen eight twenty four six seven pm Isla Sue Gambon,
Speaker 1: I've never felt a love like this. We did it,
Speaker 1: and she tagged her partner Joel Gambon. The post received
Speaker 1: over eighty eight thousand likes and the Blue Tick Brigade
Speaker 1: were out in force in the comments section. So Sammy
Speaker 1: Robinson wrote congratulations, beautiful family. Tammy Hembro added crying She's
Speaker 1: so perfect. Love you guys, while Skywheetly commented looks like
Speaker 1: an actual doll. I'm crying. She is a very beautiful baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a gorgeous little girl. And Chloe Zepp, Gracie Piscapo,
Speaker 1: Indy Clinton, so for dof jar Da Tunci, Tylia Skeaines
Speaker 1: and Lucy Jackson were also amongst the well known Aussie
Speaker 1: influencers commenting, I'm assuming Lily Brown did as well, but
Speaker 1: she's blow I couldn't see her comment well. I also
Speaker 1: noticed that Nicky and Lucy took time away from their
Speaker 1: amazing trip of Mikinos where they are celebrating Nicky's hands
Speaker 1: to face time with EM. I wonder if they'll be
Speaker 1: competing with Lily Brown to be sort of like the
Speaker 1: best to your well, A lot of the time, when
Speaker 1: someone has a baby and there's baby showers and then
Speaker 1: birthday parties following it, you realize it's such a special
Speaker 1: time in someone's life that you sort of drop all
Speaker 1: of that shit. So maybe this will be an opportunity
Speaker 1: for the gang to get back together bybee Now, EM
Speaker 1: has been really active on TikTok and she's even added
Speaker 1: Eila's mamma to her name, and her birth video has
Speaker 1: wrapped up one million views on Instagram already. So this
Speaker 1: video shows all the highlights of the birthing experience. So
Speaker 1: we see EM and Joel walking into the hospital, as
Speaker 1: well as EM in the hospital bed strapped up to
Speaker 1: all of the monitoring systems and EM opted for a
Speaker 1: vaginal birth, and you can see a photo of EM's
Speaker 1: mum propped up by her bed as she gives birth,
Speaker 1: which was just such a sweet touch. The video also
Speaker 1: shows snippets of Em crying as Joel comforts her and
Speaker 1: shots of the delivery. Now, a lot of people were
Speaker 1: commenting who actually filmed this content? I think maybe people
Speaker 1: were thinking, was it the nurses, it like the midwife videography. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was actually two of EM's friends who were
Speaker 1: support people, like they were allowed in the birthing sweet
Speaker 1: and they did such a good job. It has only
Speaker 1: been five days since Em gave birth, but she is
Speaker 1: delivering on the newborn content. So she shared the hot
Speaker 1: dad style TikTok video of Joel carrying baby Isler out
Speaker 1: of the hospital in her capsule. That is a very
Speaker 1: viral video that I'm seeing a lot of creators making.
Speaker 1: She also shared a hilarious video of her holding her
Speaker 1: baby in the hospital bed surrounded by sushi, with the
Speaker 1: caption It's good being zero weeks present. She has been
Speaker 1: missing that a lot.
Speaker 4: Are you doing those?
Speaker 5: We're running?
Speaker 1: Aaron Snow, a shop fitting company run by Guy Wheatley's
Speaker 1: partner Lockie War, has gone into external administration after reportedly
Speaker 1: being unable to pay its debts now. Amy. This came
Speaker 1: as a bit of a surprise because Lockie's business, which
Speaker 1: is called shop fit Co, has recently been running a
Speaker 1: large social media as campaign talking about how they're expanding
Speaker 1: their operations. Yeah, this kept popping up on my Instagram
Speaker 1: feed for some reason. And shop fit Co is a
Speaker 1: very well known business on the Gold Coast. It has
Speaker 1: completed fit outs for a number of high profile shops,
Speaker 1: including Quicksilver, Muffin Break and also Sassin Byte. There has
Speaker 1: been no official word yet from Locke or Sky about
Speaker 1: the company going into external administration, and even on Thursday,
Speaker 1: the company was still uploading posts on as social media account. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and shop fit Co is regularly featured in Sky's YouTube videos.
Speaker 1: So they are renovating their Gold Coast mansion. They've been
Speaker 1: renovating it for what feels like forever, It's been five years,
Speaker 1: and in recent videos we've seen Locke's staff popping up
Speaker 1: in their shop fit Ko shirt carrying out the renovations.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because there's not much work for
Speaker 1: them to be doing on other projects, so like, better
Speaker 1: get my money's worth and get them working on my
Speaker 1: own house. Well, the image that they've been portraying, is
Speaker 1: this is a very successful business. Yeah, they definitely give
Speaker 1: off this impression that they're very successful. That being said,
Speaker 1: there have been some whispers about financial issues within the
Speaker 1: business because there were reports that Locke's company had been
Speaker 1: locked in a very bitter court battle with a Sydney
Speaker 1: man since twenty twenty three, and Shopfit Co says that
Speaker 1: the man still owes them close to sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for a fit out that they did for a Portuguese
Speaker 1: burger bar. Now things got murkier because the business owner
Speaker 1: is now countersuing Shopfit, alleging that the work was not
Speaker 1: up to scratch and they're wanting damages for a breach
Speaker 1: of contract and also loss of opportunity. So it sounds
Speaker 1: like a very stressful time. Yeah, And I think there's
Speaker 1: also a bit of confusion over this term external administration
Speaker 1: and what it actually means. So for those who are unaware,
Speaker 1: it basically means that someone from outside of Locke's business,
Speaker 1: known as an external administrator, has been appointed to either
Speaker 1: try and save this business, to sell it, or to
Speaker 1: wind it down to try and repay its debts. And
Speaker 1: according to the Gold Coast bulletin. Shop fit Co is
Speaker 1: being administered under the Small Business Restructuring Program, So this
Speaker 1: program gives companies with debts of less than one million
Speaker 1: dollars a last ditch attempt to avoid liquidation. And interestingly,
Speaker 1: documents show that the majority of the money that shop
Speaker 1: fit Co actually owes is to the ATO, and there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of reports that the ATO is
Speaker 1: undergoing a massive crackdown. So we're seeing a lot of businesses,
Speaker 1: especially construction businesses, currently being chased by the ATO for
Speaker 1: unpaid taxes. And this is because there was a pandemic
Speaker 1: induced hiatus on the ATO enforcing these tax payments. Now,
Speaker 1: this story has been making a lot of headlines, particularly
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast, and it's good to see the sky.
Speaker 1: Wheatley has been very sensitive handling this situation with her
Speaker 1: partner because she has been poking a lot of fun
Speaker 1: at him about it. So over the weekend she shared
Speaker 1: an Instagram story of Lockey washing her car and she wrote,
Speaker 1: never seen him do this. I'm giving him pocket money
Speaker 1: since he's broke now with three cry pass Well, surely
Speaker 1: things aren't that die if she's paying him out all.
Speaker 1: I just think it's her sense of humor. A lot
Speaker 1: of fans have noticed that Locke has had much more
Speaker 1: of a presence on a social media account, because previously
Speaker 1: he would protest to being in a TikTok videos and
Speaker 1: he'd begrudgingly appear. But now he seems sort of down
Speaker 1: to be in it, and I wonder if it's because
Speaker 1: now that his business isn't doing so well, he thinks, fuck,
Speaker 1: maybe I've got to have a social media presence online.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a secondary income for me. I think
Speaker 1: maybe it's made him appreciate Sky more and he's thought, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: is Sky's actually going to be bringing in most of
Speaker 1: the income into this family? Maybe I need to support her. Well,
Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for listening to another episode. Please don't forget to
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Speaker 1: the Underscore podcast. Also, you can follow Kate, Sophie and
Speaker 1: I on Instagram. Will be sharing some fun behind the
Speaker 1: scenes videos soon. A bit of a fun fact. This
Speaker 1: is the second time we have recorded this episode and
Speaker 1: that is why it is a day late because we
Speaker 1: had a major technical difficulty. We have new recording equipment.
Speaker 1: But we have very old microphones and old microphone cards,
Speaker 1: and one of them is faulty. So you went to
Speaker 1: sit down on Monday night and edit a amy and
Speaker 1: my whole microphone was crackling. I tried to edit it
Speaker 1: around it, but it was just absolutely impossible. My husband
Speaker 1: was so mad at me. I was literally sitting on
Speaker 1: the toilet when you're cold, and I just was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: every time you get some kind of news, you're sitting
Speaker 1: on the toilet. Last week it was the Molly and
Speaker 1: Tommy News. Now it was the podcast is when you're
Speaker 1: on your phone, you've got time to scroll anyway, leaving
Speaker 1: everyone with that beautiful image. But this episode was recorded
Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the
Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.
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