WEBVTT - The Viral Henne Cardigan 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.840 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.880 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.440 Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, the blow 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.799 up over the viral Henny Cardigan, Sky Wheatley's partner's business 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.680 goes into external administration, and m Davies touching baby news. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.159 But first, Sophie, you're still reeling from Molly May and 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.200 Tommy Fury's breakup news. As the official Outspoken correspondent, can 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.560 you tell us the latest yet? Well, we haven't heard 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.040 any confirmation yet from Molly May. She has remained silent 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.000 on this topic, but that hasn't stopped the rumor meal 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.199 from going into absolute overdrive. We are swimming in a 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.760 lot of rumors on the internet at the moment. The 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.000 one gaining the most traction is the rumor that Tommy 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.760 cheated on Molly during an alcohol field lad's holiday to 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.800 North Macedonia with a Danish girl. Well, this was actually 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.960 printed in the Sun. Yeah. According to the Sun, Tommy 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.840 was seen kissing a blonde woman in a nightclub during 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.360 what they described as a two am vodka binge. Now, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.680 this was reportedly just days before Molly May announced their 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.240 split on Instagram. A source who claims to have witnessed 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.680 the kiss told the son he was down in gray 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.360 Goose vodka and didn't seem to care who saw him 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.280 with the girl he kissed her. This will be heartbreaking 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.440 for Molly May. There was also a quote that interested 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.240 me from Molly's so called friend, and the friend, of 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.800 course isn't named in this article, but I would not 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.119 be surprised if her manager, Fran was briefing the press. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.479 So the friend was quoted in the newspapers saying Molly 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.760 was told he had cheated on her with a Danish 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.959 woman he'd met while he was away in Macedonia. She 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.880 didn't want to believe it was true. When she confronted 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.760 him and asked him if he had cheated on her, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.920 Tommy didn't deny it. It told Molly May all she 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.680 needed to know, and she ended it. He's moved out 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.360 of the house and she's absolutely reeling from it all. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.360 Tommy's management team have also been working hard in the 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.920 background trying to shoot down some of them rumors. They 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.840 released a statement saying that he has been left horrified 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.920 by the false rumors and he's also consulting currently with 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.000 his lawyers because of these rumors that are being circulated 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.240 by the meeting. It's pretty bold of his team to 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.359 come out and label these allegations as false, because surely 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.040 there is a woman waiting in the wings, just getting 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.360 ready to tell her story. Yeah, but when they're talking 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.799 about false rumors, I think what they're referring to other 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.480 rumors that we touched on on Friday's episode, and that 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.720 was in relation to a TikTok rumor that Tommy had 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.320 impregnated a boxing coach's daughter. Oh yeah, Now that gained 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.240 a lot of momentum online and people were harassing the woman, 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.120 leaving comments saying, tell us that this isn't Tommy Fury's child, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.480 and her dad had to come out and say, I 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.800 couldn't believe what we woke up to. She has a 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.000 lovely partner. Here's a photo of them together. So I 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.600 think that his team is saying, look, this rumor is 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.240 not true. It's been proven to be und true. So 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.800 you've got to be really careful about what you're going 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.519 to post in the future. Yeah, you need to get 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.240 your source is not from TikTok. Makes right, I met 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:03.680 that could be a good start. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:04.079 Now. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.799 The paparazzi have been camped outside Molly's house for days now, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.919 which would just be so incredibly tough when you're going 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.840 through a breakup. That being said, I was very interested 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.640 to see who were her support people in that moment 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.880 because we do know that her sister is currently away 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.720 on her honeymoon. And it was so cute because her 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.840 dad rocked up with a bunch of flowers and he 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.560 has also unfollowed Tommy on Instagram, which sends a strong 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.320 message from her manager was also there as well as 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.960 a handful of her other friends and everyone has been 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.560 waiting to catch the first glimpse of Molly since the breakup, 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.720 where everyone wants to see if she's doing okay. Yeah, 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.040 and it didn't disappoint because the paparazzi snapped Molly and 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.080 her friends in the car at the McDonald's drive through. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.280 Can she be any more relatable? That's the first thing 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.640 that anyone does when they're going through a breakup. They've 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.440 got to get in the car with their friends, put 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.800 on breakup music and get McDonald's like it is the 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.680 best therapy. I would have loved to know what was 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.040 on their playlist and what they were discussing. You want 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.160 to know what they ordered? What about the person who's 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.320 serving Molly bay though? How awkward? Like tell me everything now. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.200 The paparazzi also snapped photos of Tommy returning home Briefly. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.160 He was only there for forty minutes on Friday, but 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.960 it's believed it's the first time Tommy and Molly have 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.440 seen each other since they're split, and everyone is talking 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.479 about what is going to happen to their beautiful six 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:29.560 bedroom mansion. So interestingly, there are reports that, according to 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.760 the land registry papers, this house, which was bought for 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.520 three point eight pounds in twenty twenty two, was solely 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.520 purchased in Molly's name, So this means that Tommy is 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.400 unlikely to have any financial stake in this property. I 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.599 am so happy to hear that because you can just 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.760 tell what a safe haven that home is for Molly. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.640 It has her written all over, it is her interior design, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.480 so I'm glad it looks like she'll get to keep 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.800 that in the split. I'm wondering how that works, because 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.600 if you're a de facto's in Australia, regardless of if 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.320 your name is on the paperwork, you still have some 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.760 claim to the property. I don't know if the rules 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.200 are different in the UK, but I'm hoping that Molly's 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.760 able to keep the house. Now for those who are 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.000 hoping that maybe Tommy and Molly might be able to 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.520 work through their issues, is looking more and more unlikely 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.840 because a large skip has been seen outside the mansion 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.279 with a suitcase poking out the top of it, and 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.359 many think that this skip is slowly going to be 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.560 filled with Tommy's belongings and that suitcase is his. If 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.920 a picture doesn't paint a thousand words, I think that 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.760 she wants the paparazzi to see him having to fish 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.760 that suitcase out of the skip, because that would be 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.719 absolutely iconic. It just sends the strong message that he 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.400 has done something and we're all waiting to unpack what 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.000 that is. He needs to be put in the bin, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.880 doesn't he Yes, I. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.279 Don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear? 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.239 Author Kate Forster says she's been inundated with prank calls 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.159 and online abuse since creating a TikTok video calling out 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.719 the viral Henny Cardigan. The fifty three year old questioned, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.880 young people all want to look the same by wearing 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.440 the cult cardigan created by fashion influencer Nardier Bartel. So 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.680 this cardigan has been all over my for you page. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.080 It is everywhere. Every time I go on TikTok, I'm 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.400 seeing a fashion influencer either reviewing this cardigan or showing 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.880 how to style it. Now, the cardigan is called Selene, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.320 and what makes it stand out is the fact that 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.159 it's fluffy. So it's made from our packer blend and 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.200 it comes in a range of different colors. It currently 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.520 retails for two hundred and twenty nine dollars, which is 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.400 quite expensive for a cardigan. I mean it is pricey. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.800 I don't own the viral Henny cardigan, and I want 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:41.839 to put it out there. Please no one come after me. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.440 But I know that this is one item of clothing 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.960 that my husband would pay me out for wearing. So 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.680 it's more of like girls get this kind of fashion. Yeah, definitely, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.039 this is something that I don't think guys would get. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.679 And for the purpose of this podcast, I ask my husband, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.800 what is your take on this cardigan? And he said 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.000 that he thinks I would look like a little kiwi 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.880 fruit wearing it, which isn't actually that bad, Like, that's 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.400 kind of cute, a little kiwi fruit with fur on it. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.080 I actually think it's quite a cute way to describe it. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.880 But I pushed him even further and he said that 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.119 it kind of looked like the designer got a glue 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.520 stick rubbed it all over the cardigan and then someone 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.560 rolled around in hair. Are you trying to get Brandon canceled? 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.920 Because people are very passionate about this cardigan. Well, after 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.320 he gave me his honest review, I told him that 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.520 women are coming after anyone who speaks badly about this cardigan, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.760 and he looked genuinely horrified, and he pleaded with me 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.000 not to mention his comments. So it looks like a 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.960 really cozy cargan. Yeah, it has been touted as this 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.360 perfect winter staple because it looks very warm, especially if 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.480 you're living in Melbourne where it's extra cold. Now. This 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.640 cardigan is currently so hard to get your hands on 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.400 because it is so hyped up on TikTok. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:51.880 I have been trying to get my hands on the 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.360 items in this package for quite literally months, so I'm 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.760 very excited to open them. We've all seen it, the 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.320 viral handy cardigans I got it in two colors, so let's. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:01.680 Try them up. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.600 I have noticed that TikTokers are always leaving their LTK 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.160 codes that their followers can go and shop their Henny 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.000 look and on the Henny website. This cardigan is currently 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.000 out of stock, but there's a little countdown to when 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.160 it will be back, so I think it's almost a 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.320 way to build hype, like, oh my god, I've got 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.800 to get my hands on this cardigan. Yeah, but despite 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.680 it being out of stock, the Henny marketing team is 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:27.840 continuing to drip feed gifted cardigans to micro influencers purely 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.240 so they'll post about it, creating more hype around this item. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.240 Well yeah. I recently saw one TikToker who has four 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.400 thousand followers, saying that Henny had just dropped her the 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.840 out of stock cardigan, which then motivated her to create 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.480 a try on video about it. Here's what she said, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.360 I must be in Henny's good books today. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:53.320 Unannounced, the postman arrived with the delivery and inside was 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:58.679 the sold out Selene CARDI it's basically impossible to get 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:04.080 your hands on. Somehow, I got said one. I am 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:05.120 so obsessed. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.120 I think this is a really clever tactic because if 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.920 Henny were to gift this out of stock cardigan to 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.079 large influencers, I think that that would create a lot 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.400 of animosity and jealousy. But because they're gifting it to 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.800 micro influencers who feel like our friends, it's subtly reminding us, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.120 don't forget about this cardigan. It's coming out soon. And 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.800 also at the same time, we're hearing a micro influencer 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.400 who was so appreciative to get it. Yeah, and this 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.640 brand is one of those cool girl brands. It's very chic, 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.360 it's very Melbourne. It was founded by influencer Nadia Bartel 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.360 in twenty nineteen with her sister, and it has quickly 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.080 become a cult favorite. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:43.440 Yeah. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.800 Now this is where author Kate Forster enters the chat. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.160 So she is a best selling author who recently joined 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.320 TikTok and in the space of a few weeks, she's 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.320 gained over twenty four thousand followers, and that's by sharing 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.960 advice and fashion reviews. And I have to put it 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.920 out there. I am a big fan of her content. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:04.840 She is refreshingly honest and absolutely hilarious. Her content is 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.000 very satirical and she just says it how it is. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.160 She's been popping up a lot for me, and I 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.720 find her content it's like, it's nothing serious, it's just funny. Yeah. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.400 I first came across her content when she created a 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.240 couple of tiktoks about the Witchery rebrand. Here's a snippet 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.320 of what she said, Why why. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.640 Do you give a fuck about a mid brand like 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:31.960 bloody Witchery? But Witchery is just not it. It was never it. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.720 It was always low rent Mimco and I hate Mimco. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:42.800 So stop worrying about it. Go and invest in better fashion, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:48.679 better quality, better style, support young creators. I don't know, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.640 just fucking get over Witchery. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.800 As you can hear from this clip, she is hilarious, 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.640 but she's also very passionate about women supporting other brands, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.440 and not just the mainstream brands. Since that video, she's 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:06.160 reviewed Zimmerman, Country Road, Sports Girl, Cookie, Suzanne's Spell, and 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.240 also White Fox. White Fox was one of my favorites. Yeah, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.400 go and check it out, like, oh my god, so 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.720 spot on. But it wasn't until she shared her thoughts 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.040 on Henny that her account really took off. Here's what 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:18.880 she said. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.839 So hear me out right I say all those girls 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.080 I saw an influencer yesterday to say that all the 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.040 women of Australia except for the fat ones, are wearing 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.840 the Henny Cardi. So I don't understand why girls who 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.760 say their influencers are then all wearing the same uniform. 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.960 It's this Henny Cardi that you know. I'm in my 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.560 late twenties early thirties version of a white Fox sweater. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.880 I'm just questioning because I do see it a lot, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.520 and I'm just wondering, if you're going to be an 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.920 influencer and a fashionista, why are you not looking at 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.760 other brands for cardigans? For example? Like, it's a fucking cardigan. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.719 How do you want to wear the same thing as 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.520 everyone else? Now? 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.079 She is bang on describing the Henny cardigan as the 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.800 late twenties to thirties version of the white Fox jumper, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.240 because it is exactly what it is. She has hit 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.960 the nail on the head now. Kate then proceeded to 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.839 show her followers a range of cardigans that other small 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.600 brands sold and questioned why you'd want to look like 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.400 the same person walking down the street. She then finished 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.720 by saying this, Can. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:33.720 I stop saying the same fashion influences, wearing the same friggin' things. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:38.120 It's not a uniform. Start showing me what's good, not 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:39.720 what everyone else is wearing. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.600 In a now deleted video, she also compared Henny wearers 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:50.000 to bogans. Now that frustrated and upset a lot of people, 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.679 shots fired. They again, I had the feeling it was satirical. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.720 I think she really hit the nail on the head 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:01.160 about this concept of people wearing a uniform. Ever since TikTok, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.960 there's been this real desire to replicate trends and follow 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.640 whatever the cool girl is currently wearing on there. It's 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.199 not a platform that encourages people to be different and 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.719 stand out, because you get rewarded if you copy other 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.160 people's fashion trends. It's all about making sure also that 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.160 you fit this cool girl aesthetic that's being dictated to us. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.679 And I think that with the cost of living crisis, 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.600 we're also being told to look at capsule wardrobes and 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.240 buy items that we can mix and match with others, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.560 and people are moving away from statement items. I'm always 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.320 hearing stylist talk on TikTok about this is how you 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.520 can create a uniform for work or a uniform for 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.040 the weekend. Even no one has their own style, as 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:42.880 you said, anymore, no one wants to stand out from 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.920 the crowd. There's been so many times I've gone to 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.600 a cafe and it's the white fox hoodies, like as 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.080 Kate said, everyone wears. And I think, how embarrassing would 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.240 that be if teenage? Yeah, all tenagers. It's kind of 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.240 like when we were at high school and you'd have 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.599 casual day. But back when we were high Scott was 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.679 the billabong jacket and you'd be so embarrassed because you'd 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.600 rock up and two other people would be wearing the 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.760 same bang. It would be awful. As an adult, it's 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.040 really awkward wearing the same thing as someone as well. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.960 I went to a wedding recently where I wore this 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.680 bright blue dress. It was my sister in law's wedding 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.520 and one of her friends wore the exact same dress, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.480 but we just had to own it. We ended up 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.960 getting photos together and it was something we could bond over. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.720 But I do see the irony of going out to brunch. 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.560 For some reason, I always envision in Melbourne and there's 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.400 just a swarm of thirty something women in this fluffy 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.720 jumper than Dewey is walking around little Kiwi fruits. Thank 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.280 god there are different colors though, that might at least 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.560 make you stand out a little bit. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:42.160 Now. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.680 Kate's video went absolutely viral, with a large portion of 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.720 women actually agreeing wholeheardly with what she said, but it 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.200 was also met with a lot of criticism. So one 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.960 user told Kate that she is giving pick me vibes 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.880 and finished by saying that the Cardi slap so you 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.520 can tell that it's a there these girls sounds so triggered, 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.440 I know. Another person said, have you actually tried it on? 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:10.120 It's popular for a reason. Now, her video definitely seem 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.520 to ruffle the feathers of fashion influencers who began sharing 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.040 their thoughts on her video, But the catch was that 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.960 they were doing what she described was a dog whistle. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.920 So what a dog whistle is is that you don't 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.320 actually name the person that you're speaking about, but you 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.200 act as if it's just a general thought about some 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.800 like a trend that's happening, even though it's clearly one 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.880 person that you're directing it out. Hate this this happens 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:40.560 all the time. We've had this where people will literally like, 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.520 they'll be talking about something our podcast has spoken about, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.600 but they won't reference the podcast because they know that 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.240 people will go over to it and agree, Yeah, why 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.840 no context is what they're saying either because they're like, oh, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.280 you know, it doesn't really matter. It was you know, 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.640 it was some gossip thing. And then and it's like, no, 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.120 just name it. Own it. You gotta call something out, 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.760 name it. The funniest thing is I think that we 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.240 were actually just dog whistling ourselves then. But I think 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:07.840 people will be able to read into it. Will we 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.080 name and name and shame all the time. We may 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.680 go into that in a subs episode because we're getting 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.440 off track now. A fashion influencer called ari Yasman, who 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.080 has over twenty thousand followers on TikTok, created a video 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.280 not naming Kate, but saying she doesn't like the current 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.960 trend of people critiquing viral outfits in a passive aggressive way. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.920 Here's what she said, quick one, When did we start 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.760 being mean to people about liking and wearing popular items 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.760 of clothing. There's a genre of video I really like 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.520 on here, which is kind of talking about trends, maybe 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.720 critiquing trends, maybe critiquing brands when they're not doing good enough, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.280 like the Witchery rebrand. Then there's another trend that I 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.200 don't think I like so much, and that's kind of 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.200 critiquing individual creators or people for wearing what we don't 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.920 think are interesting enough outfits, or wearing something that's really 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.480 viral or really popular. Some of the stuff I've seen 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.200 recently kind of just seems to be being passive aggressive 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.280 to people who like wearing things that are popular in 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.639 Australia right now. But I feel like, are we not 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.760 just making women feel bad about themselves for something that's 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.800 not problematic and not hurting anyone. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.600 She finished by asking everyone else's thoughts on the matter 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.880 and says she's forming her opinion on it as she speaks. However, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.760 Kate Forster actually accused her of removing any comments that 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.520 didn't agree with her opinion. So it's interesting to ask 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.439 for comments but then not like it when someone shares 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.840 a different opinion. Now, there was a very mixed response, 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.000 as I said in the comment section, and one of 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.199 the notable responses was from Victoria Devine, who runs the 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.560 She's on the Money podcast, and she agreed with Ari's sentiment, writing, 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.840 it's not even being passive aggressive, She's being a bully. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.280 I can't believe in twenty twenty four so many people 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.560 are supportive of her content. Now, a follower reply to 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.159 Victoria saying, I'm genuinely surprised to see you making this comment. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.520 I followed you for a while now which part is bulling? 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.399 And I shared the same sentiment as this commenter now, 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.560 Victoria responded, if you don't see the content I'm referring 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.320 to as blatant bulling, perhaps you shouldn't follow me. She continued, 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.320 saying her body shaming and name calling should be glaringly 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.359 obvious signs of bullying. No, I'm really surprised that Victoria 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.800 would weigh into this and have this opinion. I mean, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.840 she is a friend of the podcast, we have heard 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.040 her on the show before. Though maybe she owns a 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.600 Henny Cardigan and just saw red like I don't know. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.560 I do think that the word bulling by the general public, though, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.159 has been weaponized in twenty twenty four. I think that 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.400 people are so quick to label any sort of critical 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.280 thinking as bulling, and just because someone might critique something 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.080 or challenge your way of thinking, I don't think that 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.520 we can categorize that as bulling. I have never seen 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.720 Kate body shame anyone. I've consumed a lot of her content, 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.600 and if anything, she is the one who has been 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.240 copying a lot of derogatory remarks about her appearance. There's 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.520 been a lot of young women seeming to take issue 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.080 with the way that she looks, calling her fat, saying 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.840 she looks like Hagrid, and she's had a laugh about that, 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.760 but I can tell that it has actually affected her. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:13.919 It's just so nasty. The whole thing to me seems 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.800 quite ageist. It's like, how dare you a woman who's 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.560 in her fifties have an opinion on fashion? Yeah, that's 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.480 ultimately what I think it comes down to. You know, 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.480 in this day and age where everyone's so woke, maybe 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.960 this content might be surprising to some because it's quite 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.560 refreshing to see someone actually being satirical. She drops the 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.679 odd F bomb, she pokes fun. It's very lighthearted. But 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.200 do any of these Jen Edison have like a sense 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.959 of humans? Yet? How can people not tell this is 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.439 a jog and it's not even as you said, it's not. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.640 She hasn't body shamed anyone. It's simply a joke about fashion, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.400 but it's also the fact that she is actually very 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.320 passionate about fashion, and she's just calling out the fact 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.760 that there's no individuality and she wants people to support 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.520 smaller brands because a lot of smaller fashion brands are 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.520 going under now. Kate hit back to the critique, saying this. 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.480 Say, a lot of these fucking young women on here 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.960 who are afraid to actually say what they think. Do 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.320 you know what, that's the number one thing that will 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.440 get you through life is fucking sticking to your ideals 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.600 and your values and having a fucking inner moral compass. Right. 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.640 I don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:33.560 I actually really don't care. It's all a fucking meme. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.040 This app it's all a meme simply asking people to 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.320 look at other brands because the Australian industry, fashion industry 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.399 is in the fucking toilet. So if you're all wearing Hanny, 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.240 what about the other nitweb providers. 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.720 Kate also raised a really interesting point about kickbacks which 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.760 influencers receive for pushing certain brands. So a common theme 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.080