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Speaker 1: we should play like I don't know why, but we

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Speaker 1: I thought I'd get three different car engines.

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to find out if you could guess which

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Speaker 1: is which? Yes, I like that. All right, let me

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Speaker 1: sort of see if I can work this out. He's

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Speaker 1: the first one. Are you listening, yes, listen carefully give

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Speaker 1: it some more, just stubi. I feel like you would

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Speaker 1: have owned this car. There's your clue.

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, you're giving me cars that aren't new.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to struggle with this. It sounds it sounds

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Speaker 2: a four cylinder of some sort potentially, and let's not

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Speaker 2: reveal it on this episode. We'll get people to email.

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Speaker 2: Let's at contact at the Drive show dot com, dodate

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Speaker 2: you tell us.

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Speaker 1: First off, I will say one thing, the four cylinder.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, I'll give it to you all more time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, jesus, this would be you as a teenager.

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Speaker 1: You can't, Polly, Let's go give this car a harden

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Speaker 1: pull into that survey, would you?

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Speaker 1: I need to get some darts. You're always feasting on

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Speaker 1: me smokes, I can't feast it together. Really? All right?

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Speaker 1: Should we move on to the second one? Yes, go on, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. Now, I've got a feeling you've been

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Speaker 2: Yes, goat, do the start again. It sounds familiar. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so I think it's a Ferrari okay, good, good, And

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Speaker 2: four thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Ferrari four or fifty okay, right, okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Third one. You're ready?

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Speaker 2: Okay. Here we got never a good idea around you going?

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Sorry, sorry I made that manually.

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Speaker 1: People literally just stood up in my seat A pans

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Speaker 1: of better than the water. Get it done better than always? Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go, Here we go, Hi, hang on, this

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Speaker 2: This sounds like it was when you were young. It

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Speaker 1: There we go. Not the old joke is it that one.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. Let's with this game in the future.

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Speaker 2: Can we just make it new cars?

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Speaker 1: So it's stuff that I thought it would be better

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, if you're listening right now, contact at

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Speaker 2: the Drive show dot com today, you email us and

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Speaker 2: let us know what it is, and Gordy can raid

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Speaker 1: Here we go, one more time, Here we go. This

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Speaker 1: One more time?

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Speaker 2: It sounds like an old Volkswagen or something. Oh really,

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Sorry, at this point, Paul's just

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Speaker 1: Who do you reckon would be using this data? Because

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're going to launch something like six hundred and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Ford gave this car everything it

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Speaker 1: What kind of car do you drive?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 1: What kind of cars? Have we got a sound effect

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Speaker 2: Yes, email us at contact at the Drive Show dot

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, do you want to Uh? Well, I was

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Speaker 1: He's got a couple of great questions here. Boomers at

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Speaker 1: So good on me. I'm trying to read Paul, I'm

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Speaker 2: lot of precious metals inside these batteries. They're hard to source,

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Speaker 2: and the process of building this evs the same except

439
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Speaker 2: the batteries, because that's where a lot of this a

440
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Speaker 2: lot of the bad stuff is. The problem is though,

441
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Speaker 2: that once they are produced, as in the day they

442
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Speaker 2: roll down the production line, they are going to be

443
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Speaker 2: emitting less than an internal combustion car until you reach

444
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Speaker 2: a point where those two crossover. So the reason I

445
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: say that is every single day the energy grid globally

446
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: is getting greener. So here in Australia you have more

447
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: renewables coming online where focusing less on coal powered energy,

448
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: and then over time your EV will be powered by

449
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: green energy as the grid becomes greener, whereas your internal

450
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: combustion car, you will always be feeding that with a

451
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: fuel that gets burnt and then it emits something into

452
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: the atmosphere. So during the production process, yes, an EV

453
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: is incredibly energy intensive and bad to produce, but I

454
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Speaker 2: think what we'll find is over time, as we rely

455
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Speaker 2: less on lithium ion batteries and more on solid state

456
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: battery tech that requires less of these precious materials, we

457
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: will be in a position where they will actually be

458
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Speaker 2: more energy efficient to produce and emit less during that

459
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Speaker 2: production process.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they're already starting that too. A lot

461
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Speaker 1: of the interiors and stuff, for instance, it made out

462
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Speaker 1: of old plastics and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like I just had a look at the

464
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Speaker 2: new key or EV six the other day and that

465
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: basically has carpets that are made from old plastic and

466
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Speaker 2: the dashboards made out of bottles and stuff.

467
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Speaker 1: So from Paul's house because he has a drinking problem.

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Speaker 2: Of what is this friend telle the perfect traveler water?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's what we're saying public.

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Speaker 2: Okay. His second point was about the batteries, right, yeah,

471
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Speaker 2: so he said, tying into that. Same boomers mentioned above

472
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: also state that batteries only last ten years and once

473
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Speaker 2: they can no longer hold charge, they cannot be recycled

474
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Speaker 2: and end up in the ground somewhere. Is this true? No,

475
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: So they can absolutely one hundred percent be recycled. So

476
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Speaker 2: the way that it works is old batteries from old

477
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: evs are currently used in in appliances. They can be

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Speaker 2: used to power a house for example. Obviously, these batteries

479
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Speaker 2: once they get down to around sort of eighty percent.

480
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Speaker 2: Their serviceable life becomes reduced because you get less range,

481
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Speaker 2: the less you can store in a battery. But if

482
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Speaker 2: you can use that battery to store energy overnight for

483
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 2: your house, for example, you don't really care that it

484
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Speaker 2: has eighty percent left in it as long as it

485
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Speaker 2: runs your house overnight. You find when they get to

486
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Speaker 2: the point where they're not usable for energy storage, you

487
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Speaker 2: can actually now recycle one hundred percent of the contents

488
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Speaker 2: of that battery. So it is expensive, which is why

489
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Speaker 2: it's not a great business. At the moment. There really

490
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Speaker 2: isn't an incentive to do that. But as governments move

491
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Speaker 2: towards incentive this stuff, we'll see more of this happening. So, yes,

492
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: you absolutely can recycle batteries at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he had a great one with hydrogen, George Is asked.

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Speaker 2: The mirror has an alleged range of five hundred and

495
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Speaker 2: fifty kilometers and can be refueled in a matter of minutes.

496
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Speaker 2: Surely this is a better alternative to battery powered evs. Look,

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that. I think hydrogen absolutely

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Speaker 2: has legs. Whether it's in consumer cars though I don't

499
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Speaker 2: know so. One of the big advantages is if you

500
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Speaker 2: have a petrol station, surely you can produce hydrogen there,

501
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Speaker 2: store it locally, and it can fill cars and off

502
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Speaker 2: you go in a matter of minutes. As George says,

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Speaker 2: the problem is the process of producing hydrogen is incredibly

504
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Speaker 2: energy intensive. So if you compare to the way that

505
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Speaker 2: you'd power an EV, for example, all you're doing is

506
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Speaker 2: plugging in electricity and pumping electricity into the batteries. With hydrogen,

507
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: you have to use electricity to create hydrogen, and then

508
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Speaker 2: once you've done that, you have to use electricity to

509
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Speaker 2: compress and then push that hydrogen into your vehicle. You're

510
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: using energy along the way there that you wouldn't be

511
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: doing in an EV. That's not so much of an

512
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Speaker 2: issue if you're producing that hydrogen with renewables, because who

513
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Speaker 2: cares if it's twice as you know, it requires twice

514
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: the amount of energy because you've got solar power, wind power,

515
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: we don't really care. So it really is just a

516
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: process of efficiency. And I think longer term hydrogen will

517
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: work really well in commercial applications because you'll be able

518
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Speaker 2: to store much more of it to offer longer distance driving,

519
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: which you can't really do an EV's at the moment

520
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: in the trucking industry, for example, it's just not there yet.

521
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Speaker 2: And also with that process, if you go back to

522
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Speaker 2: base with your truck, for example, you can refill it

523
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: at the depot, which means you don't have to have

524
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Speaker 2: these things all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that hydrogen could be definitely like a

526
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Speaker 1: more popular fuel down the road, because I feel like

527
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Speaker 1: it hasn't really been. If whoever's doing pr for hydrogen

528
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: You need a Maybe Jeff Bezos can do it. You've

530
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: got Elon Musk for evs.

531
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Speaker 1: Yes, we need, we need There needs to be an

532
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: Amazon hydrogen powered car.

533
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, look I think it needs better marketing. But equally,

534
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: you don't have all of the benefits. So, for example,

535
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: at the moment with EV's you have hugely quick acceleration.

536
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: You don't have that with hydrogens. Hydrogens are effectively just

537
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: an EV. The hydrogen power plant is running an electric

538
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: motor and they use a small battery as well, so

539
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: they are effectively just an EV but it's just creating

540
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: hydrogen currently isn't very energy efficient.

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Speaker 1: Do you think evs will have a place in the

542
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: off road space? Interesting. I think it's already happening. Sort

543
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: of rivian that is a company that doesn't really produce

544
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: profit cars, but they're doing that right, Yeah, they are.

545
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Speaker 2: And part of his question asks about salt water and

546
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: creek crossings batteries under the floor. Waiting depth look to

547
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Speaker 2: be honest. As long as it's sealed, it really doesn't

548
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Speaker 2: make a difference. I mean, salt water in a diff

549
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: breather is not good news. So it's any car as

550
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Speaker 2: long as you don't get water in parts that you

551
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: don't want water, it's fine. Obviously electricity and water don't mix.

552
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: But again, as long as it's all sealed, it won't

553
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: be an issue. Waiting depth should actually be better in

554
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: an EV because in theory you don't have those diff

555
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 2: breathers and you don't have air filters and stuff like

556
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: that that you're trying to stop water getting into. So

557
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: if anything, they should be better with sort of driving

558
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: through water crossings. In terms of off roading itself, the

559
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Speaker 2: only thing I would be concerned about is running out

560
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: of power. And the thing with evs is before they

561
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: run out of they don't just literally just stop. They

562
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: become slower and slower. It's an issue. If you're on

563
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: a mountain somewhere off roading and you've run out of

564
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: power in the valley and you can't actually use any

565
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: electricity to get yourself up because it just doesn't have

566
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: any that's obviously going to be an issue because you

567
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: can't just run a jerry can over to the car

568
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: and get someone to help out. So that is something

569
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: to think about. But again, longer term, you're going to

570
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: find that there will be ev charges of caravan parks

571
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: and places nearby that you can fill up at before

572
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Speaker 2: you actually go on your off road journey.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. Whatever and out. Yes, we should

574
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: think about a prize, yes, let's Yeah, we're trying to

575
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Speaker 1: guess the comp is to try and guess can't number one?

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I guess can't number one.

577
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Now there's some clues in there.

578
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Speaker 2: I really am just it is so beyond me that

579
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Speaker 2: I really I don't know. It could be like an

580
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: FX Holden or something. It's it sounds old and you

581
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: said it wasn't a four cylinder, so it might be

582
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Speaker 2: a six cylinder. It doesn't sound like a V eight

583
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: and it sounds old, so yeah, I don't know. Well,

584
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Speaker 2: contact at the Drive Show dot Com today you. I

585
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: don't know what the prize is, but well I've got.

586
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Speaker 1: It's a date with Paul, and yes he will do anything.

587
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: Generally there's a look but you can't touch policy. But

588
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: with Paul dinners on, I would.

589
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: Like someone to touch me at some point, would be nice.

590
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Wife doesn't anything. She doesn't listen to this either. She

591
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: will never hear that. Yeah, I've got a whole bunch

592
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: of stuff on my desk, so let's see. Yeah, if

593
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: anyone enters to start with. But if they do, I'll

594
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: find something to send you on my desk.

595
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Speaker 1: God, you better deliver. I hope you don't rock up

596
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: and it's just shit like it's just stuff from the

597
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Speaker 1: Christmas party that the friend till perfect traveler.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: You are not. There is nothing perfect about traveling with

600
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Speaker 1: this thing one. It makes a lot of sounds. I mean,

601
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Speaker 1: it's good because you can squish it into well. Paul

602
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Speaker 1: uses who contacted the Drive Show dot Com Dot you

603
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Speaker 1: and we'll

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Speaker 2: Chat to you all in a fortnight