Speaker 1: Mate. I was shook, as I was likely. I did
Speaker 1: not believe what I just seen. I was like, did
Speaker 1: that just happen? What has gone on? Everyone was stunned.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Live Uncut.
Speaker 3: I'm Laura and I'm Brittany.
Speaker 2: And it's good to be here, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Just My favorite part about the podcast is as soon
Speaker 3: as we do our intro, one of us looks at
Speaker 3: the other and they're like, where do we go?
Speaker 2: What do we do? It's like, this is our one
Speaker 2: hundredth and thirteenth episode and we still do not know what.
Speaker 2: I'm going to correct you.
Speaker 3: I think we're actually up to like one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty six now, and escales quickly.
Speaker 2: Oh that's true, So I was only counting season two.
Speaker 2: We've been around for a while, guys. This is not
Speaker 2: our first rodeo, even though it's like it might sound
Speaker 2: like it is exactly So, Okay, I'm going to tell
Speaker 2: you guys what we have in store for you today.
Speaker 2: Something we've been talking about on literally every single episode
Speaker 2: for the past X amount of months is married at
Speaker 2: First Sight, and we've been talking about the editing and
Speaker 2: the production and the gas ladding and the toxic relationships
Speaker 2: and what not to do, the absolute dumpster fire. Once again,
Speaker 2: that is Maths. But we do have someone from mass
Speaker 2: on the podcast today and they are going to be
Speaker 2: telling us the inns, the outs, the down and the
Speaker 2: dirty of this season that's just passed, and that is Booker.
Speaker 2: So we're going to sit down with Booker today and
Speaker 2: she was really open and vulnerable and she didn't really
Speaker 2: hold back on some of the things that I thought
Speaker 2: maybe she wouldn't be able to share with us. So
Speaker 2: she's really telling us a lot of the editing and
Speaker 2: producer side of questions, which both Britt and I find
Speaker 2: really interesting coming from a Bachelor.
Speaker 3: Background, and it actually surprisingly did differ a lot from
Speaker 3: the Bachelor, which I found really interesting. But we didn't
Speaker 3: shy away from what we asked her. We did ask
Speaker 3: the hard questions. We asked about Bryce, we asked about beck,
Speaker 3: we asked about Melissa. So it's a really really interesting chat.
Speaker 3: But Laura, before we do that, we want to tell
Speaker 3: you guys about something that we read this week and
Speaker 3: we just I thought it was absolutely hilarious. There's a
Speaker 3: part of me that's like, well played. Bravo then there's
Speaker 3: another part of me that's like, what the fuck you
Speaker 3: actually crazy? Man?
Speaker 2: There is a man in Japan.
Speaker 3: Who has thirty five plus girlfriends, all simultaneously, purely, purely
Speaker 3: for the fact, not for sex, not for anything else.
Speaker 3: He told every single girlfriend that he had a different birthday,
Speaker 3: So we must have kept a spreadsheet for who he
Speaker 3: told for what birthday, so that he would get really
Speaker 3: expensive gifts from them. And this sounds funny, but he's
Speaker 3: actually just been charged with fraud. Because the man has
Speaker 3: gotten something like twenty thousand dollars worth of gifts out
Speaker 3: of these poor women.
Speaker 2: It's actually wild. So what happened was that the women
Speaker 2: had somehow found out we don't know exactly how one
Speaker 2: or two of them or twenty of them had found
Speaker 2: out about the others, but it had come to their
Speaker 2: knowledge that this guy, his name is Takashi Miagawa, he's
Speaker 2: thirty nine years old, and these women came together and
Speaker 2: started at victims are so to try and uncover if
Speaker 2: there was any more of them that had been targeted
Speaker 2: by him. So in total there was thirty five women.
Speaker 2: They went to the police and he's been criminally charged
Speaker 2: for defrauding these women out of birthday presents, which just
Speaker 2: sounds wild, and I know it sounds funny, but in
Speaker 2: the same sense, I'm actually kind of happy that the
Speaker 2: police took these women seriously and was like, no, that's
Speaker 2: a really shit bloke and he deserves to be charged
Speaker 2: for something. The police at the moment are kind of like,
Speaker 2: we don't know what we're.
Speaker 3: Charging him for.
Speaker 2: We think it's fraud. It's all very up in the
Speaker 2: air for what the allegations and what criminal charges he
Speaker 2: may face, but this is it. He's been arrested.
Speaker 3: I thought my ex was bad having eight on the
Speaker 3: go at once, but this guy having thirty five. Can
Speaker 3: you imagine how organized you need to be. You need
Speaker 3: to have spreadsheets, powerpoints, you need to have everything in
Speaker 3: order in your house. Is he bringing them like logistically?
Speaker 2: How does his work?
Speaker 3: Is he bringing them back to his apartment? How does
Speaker 3: he have nothing personal from every single woman's that he's dating?
Speaker 2: Okay, but also who is even meeting third five women?
Speaker 2: Like all thirty five men, there are not thirty five
Speaker 2: eligible men that I could date in any one time,
Speaker 2: So how is he meeting thirty five women to date?
Speaker 3: I mean, we're having to laugh about it. But people
Speaker 3: like this, they are predators. They're praying on people that
Speaker 3: are vulnerable and praying on people that you know, have
Speaker 3: a lot of love to give, and I are looking
Speaker 3: for that. So what this man was doing, which is
Speaker 3: classic behavior, as soon as he met these women, he
Speaker 3: knew that they were all people looking for relationships, so
Speaker 3: he started to promise quite early on marriage and things
Speaker 3: that he was looking for this serious relationship. So he
Speaker 3: was luring them into a false sense of security from
Speaker 3: day one. Then he would just drop that at his
Speaker 3: birthday and that.
Speaker 2: This is what he wanted.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You're so right, and I think, like it's one thing
Speaker 2: to sit here and laugh, like the article is funny.
Speaker 2: The article is in Daily Mail. We shouldn't promote them
Speaker 2: because we hate them, but anyway, it's in Daily Mail.
Speaker 2: But I did look at other news sources and there
Speaker 2: are many many other new sites that have reported on this,
Speaker 2: and obviously the news articles of themselves are taking a
Speaker 2: bit of a comical stance. But what the guy has
Speaker 2: done is so shit, and we all know anyone who's
Speaker 2: been misled in a relationship does feel like, okay, there
Speaker 2: needs to be some accountability here. And very rarely is
Speaker 2: there ever any accountability or very rarely does anyone ever
Speaker 2: have to own up to the fact that they've lied
Speaker 2: and misled. But the thing that is wild to me
Speaker 2: is that if this happened in Sydney, three quarters of
Speaker 2: the population of men would be down at the Downy
Speaker 2: Center right now. That'd all be charged. The amount of
Speaker 2: men that I've dated who have had multiple women on
Speaker 2: going at the goal at the same time and have
Speaker 2: also made a lot of promises. Yeah, I feel victimized.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like we know what his love languages. Anyways,
Speaker 3: it's like one hundred gifts. This man does not need
Speaker 3: to unpack. There is no acts of service. Ain't doing
Speaker 3: it for him. He wants a Louis Vuitton Walllet okay,
Speaker 3: let me tell you something that I do want to
Speaker 3: talk about something quickly that in this chat today with
Speaker 3: Booker from Married at First Sight, Laura, I don't know
Speaker 3: how you felt. I got quite nostalgic, and I got
Speaker 3: like all these feelings when she was talking about the
Speaker 3: production and the behind the scenes and the feelings with
Speaker 3: the producers and you know, walking down the aisle, and
Speaker 3: I got taken back to my first night of the Bachelor,
Speaker 3: and in all honesty, I've got nothing but good memories.
Speaker 3: And I got really like nostalgic for that time, realizing
Speaker 3: that it really was like this one opportunity, in this
Speaker 3: one crazy experience that we lived and we'll never get
Speaker 3: to live again. Did you get emotional or is it
Speaker 3: just that I'm off the pill again and my hollmost crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm breastfeeding. My hormones are also wild as whack, But no,
Speaker 2: I feel exactly the same. One of the things that
Speaker 2: I think coming off the back of reality TV show
Speaker 2: is that reality TV shows in its entirety get a
Speaker 2: really bad rap and everyone says, oh my god, never apply,
Speaker 2: never do it. You don't know how you're going to
Speaker 2: get edited. But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 2: look at our lives and I look at so many
Speaker 2: other people who have gone and done reality TV, and
Speaker 2: I think it is truly a life changing experience. It
Speaker 2: changed my life completely. I have a fiance and two
Speaker 2: children out of going on Like what the hell is
Speaker 2: that I have a whole family because I went on
Speaker 2: a reality TV show. I definitely never would have thought that.
Speaker 2: This is my kind of advice to you guys out there,
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to say everybody should go and
Speaker 2: sign up for reality TV. It takes a very specific
Speaker 2: type of person who's.
Speaker 3: A specific type of crazy.
Speaker 2: But you also have to have a really strong sense
Speaker 2: of self and you have to have a really thick skin,
Speaker 2: not an inflated sense of your own ego. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that, you know it's a narcissistic thing to go
Speaker 2: on and do reality TV. You just have to be
Speaker 2: confident and comfortable that even if people don't like you,
Speaker 2: your sense of self worth doesn't lie within what other
Speaker 2: people think of you. I think that's a really important thing.
Speaker 2: But if you do feel confident and you have had
Speaker 2: the thought, maybe I want to apply for reality TV,
Speaker 2: don't just be scared off by what other people say
Speaker 2: about it, because you know, Brita and I are here
Speaker 2: and we can both vouch for the fact that we
Speaker 2: both had really wonderful experiences. And even though at sometimes
Speaker 2: it was one of the most challenging things I have
Speaker 2: ever done in my entire life, it fundamentally changed me
Speaker 2: as a person. Like it's pushed me and pulled me
Speaker 2: into different directions in my life that I never thought
Speaker 2: it would. It's made me really front up to some
Speaker 2: things about myself that I don't think I had fully realized,
Speaker 2: especially the actually because it makes you be super emotional
Speaker 2: and talk about your feelings on national TV, and I
Speaker 2: felt so nostalgic listening to Booker speaks. I was like, God,
Speaker 2: that I was a good time in my life, and
Speaker 2: I meant to say that to your best days about
Speaker 2: LAB I meant.
Speaker 3: To say to you when we hung up the phone
Speaker 3: from Booker after the interview, because we interviewed her yesterday,
Speaker 3: Guys one day in advance, purely for scheduling, but it
Speaker 3: was the first time in ages I've thought about it,
Speaker 3: because I don't often think of my time back on
Speaker 3: The Bachelor. And I know that sounds crazy, because you know,
Speaker 3: we are together every day, Laura and I, and we
Speaker 3: do have this podcast and it was a huge part
Speaker 3: of our life, and I know on the podcast over
Speaker 3: the years we have a solid laugh at the Bachelor
Speaker 3: production what goes on behind the scenes. But I honestly
Speaker 3: have nothing bad to say about my experience, and I
Speaker 3: really wanted to reiterate that because Yesterda, I got all
Speaker 3: these feels and I was like, fuck, imagine if I
Speaker 3: went on now I would be I don't know how
Speaker 3: I would be edited because I would be crying in
Speaker 3: every single episode. Now I'd be like a whole different human.
Speaker 2: But you're in touch with your feelings. After doing this
Speaker 2: podcast for so long, you are a new and well
Speaker 2: connect did a rounded human.
Speaker 3: I'm an emotional train rate.
Speaker 2: This fucking podcast has driven me into the ground of
Speaker 2: broken mows.
Speaker 3: But guys, before we get into that, you know, we
Speaker 3: do our favorite segment, which is Accidentally Unfiltered.
Speaker 2: We wanted to keep this intro short and sharp because
Speaker 2: we do have a great, great interview for you guys today,
Speaker 2: and you know, if you have watched reality TV and
Speaker 2: you want to know a little bit more about the
Speaker 2: production side of things and like how much of it
Speaker 2: is manipulated and scheduled and how much of the conversation
Speaker 2: is forced, and I think this is going to be
Speaker 2: a really eye opening interview for you. But yes, Accidently
Speaker 2: Unfiltered it's where you guys share your most embarrassing stories.
Speaker 2: We read them out, we all have a laugh together
Speaker 2: at you guys. You can go, sir, do you want
Speaker 2: me to go first? Outrop In mind, BRIT's been laughing
Speaker 2: about her accidently unfiltered since the second we sat down.
Speaker 2: So I'm so excited to hear this one. Guys.
Speaker 3: We often read your accidentally unfiltered, and I want you
Speaker 3: guys to know we can't physically respond to all of
Speaker 3: your messages because we do get thousands of them, but
Speaker 3: we do them all. So just know that if we've
Speaker 3: left you on scene, we have seen it. But this
Speaker 3: one I read it and I had to.
Speaker 2: And if we have left you and read, we're not
Speaker 2: ourseholes either. We're trying to get back to everyone. Heause
Speaker 2: read not read. This is why I love Laura.
Speaker 3: I keep leaving all these people on read, but I
Speaker 3: actually rode straight back to this girl and I was
Speaker 3: just like fucking dead, like thank you for writing that.
Speaker 3: I just really felt for her. It comes from overseas,
Speaker 3: which I also love. She's come all the way from
Speaker 3: Switzerland with this story. Girls, bear with me. This is
Speaker 3: a semi longish one. This happened to me a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago. I met this guy who works for
Speaker 3: one of my favorite bands at a concert. We stayed
Speaker 3: in touch after that. Fast forward a couple of months.
Speaker 3: He happened to be in Switzerland for work and he
Speaker 3: wanted to meet up. Fyi, I'm from Switzerland. I didn't
Speaker 3: just fly over for a date.
Speaker 4: Loll.
Speaker 3: That's good girl. Anyway, he really wanted to go to
Speaker 3: this luxurious bar place in Zurich, which I could never
Speaker 3: even afford. But as if I was going to say no,
Speaker 3: I was already super nervous because I hadn't seen him
Speaker 3: in months, and also spending my first date with him
Speaker 3: in a bikini, well it's not really my exact idea
Speaker 3: of a perfect first date. Arriving in Zurich, I realized
Speaker 3: that I had forgot my bikini, so I had to
Speaker 3: buy one at the train station, which, of course you
Speaker 3: can imagine, didn't work out that well.
Speaker 2: The fit was terrible.
Speaker 3: We eventually made it to this really super fancy, luxurious,
Speaker 3: high end spa and it was my time to shine
Speaker 3: in my new bikini.
Speaker 2: In my twenty dollars service station bikini, I've just died.
Speaker 3: So we both got changed and then I walked towards him,
Speaker 3: trying to look really hot. But the floor was so
Speaker 3: freaking slippery, so of course I slipped, and what.
Speaker 2: A fall it was.
Speaker 3: My legs were up in the air, I fell on
Speaker 3: my bump and somehow someone had spilt the water all
Speaker 3: over the floor. I managed to.
Speaker 4: Slide three meters into a sunbed head first. It was
Speaker 4: dead silent after that, and everyone was staring at me.
Speaker 4: I laughed it off, because you know what else can
Speaker 4: a girl do. I got up suggested that we head outside,
Speaker 4: you know, far away from anyone that just witnessed what
Speaker 4: just happened.
Speaker 3: So we turned around. I led the way, trying to
Speaker 3: make up for it by sauntering outside looking semi hot again.
Speaker 3: I walked straight into the glass door that I hadn't seen.
Speaker 2: Wow, girlfriend, you are a hot mess and I'm so
Speaker 2: here for it. Yeah, it went pretty well for me.
Speaker 3: We ended up dating for a couple of months, so
Speaker 3: at least the pain was kind of worth it. I
Speaker 3: just died at this series of unfortunate events, from the
Speaker 3: ill fitting scene, through awkward bikini that you've bought at
Speaker 3: the train station, just liding across the ground head first
Speaker 3: in front of everyone and your date, to then topping
Speaker 3: it off and walking through the door like you can't
Speaker 3: script this shit, You just can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know why this reminded. This has nothing, it's
Speaker 2: so got nothing to do with it, but I just
Speaker 2: had this moment the other day, we went to the
Speaker 2: Wiggles concert with Marley. Right, Oh, very similar. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: truly like my real life is vastly different to this person.
Speaker 2: In Switzerland, we went to the Wiggles concert and then
Speaker 2: after the Wiggles concert we went to a pub for lunch,
Speaker 2: and everyone there had been to the Wiggles concert. I
Speaker 2: love the contrast Wiggles to the pub and once again
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with this story, so I like,
Speaker 2: just like follow my weird brain dump for a story. Anyway,
Speaker 2: throughout the pub, everyone has ordered meals. The meals are
Speaker 2: taking forever, like an hour, it's already been since we ordered.
Speaker 2: But every single person that's there is an adult who
Speaker 2: has a child the same age as Marley, which means
Speaker 2: that it's now run over all of their naptimes, like
Speaker 2: because babies usually go and have their naptimes around twelve.
Speaker 2: It was a rave.
Speaker 3: It was holy shit.
Speaker 2: There was one second where I looked around and there
Speaker 2: was just a lot of screaming happening in this pub.
Speaker 2: And I looked around and there was one kid screaming
Speaker 2: like crying, having a tantrum, laying on the ground. Another
Speaker 2: kid was in her high chair, screaming, throwing her food
Speaker 2: on the floor. Another kid had gotten nude and was
Speaker 2: walking around the restaurants like Saturday night. It was like,
Speaker 2: this is a real, like this is just escalated. It's
Speaker 2: a real kind of like series of unfortunate events. And
Speaker 2: then there's Marley. She just pulled her pants down and
Speaker 2: was standing there trying to under her nappy, and I
Speaker 2: was like, We're all, fuck, this is her life. This
Speaker 2: is a boogie Switzerland. This is just a mom after naptime.
Speaker 2: I love that thing. I love it for me. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 2: so not the story, Okay, my accidentally Unfiltered that I
Speaker 2: have for you guys. Today, we had one that came
Speaker 2: in which was almost identical to the story that I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell, and it reminded me of this accidently
Speaker 2: Unfiltered which I had screenshot from like a year ago
Speaker 2: when we first started the podcast, and then I freaking
Speaker 2: lost it, as in I couldn't find the screenshot. Not hysteric.
Speaker 2: So I was like, wow, I can't want to hear
Speaker 2: this one. I thought you knew anyway, I couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: But then I got this new accidently unfiltered story came
Speaker 2: through and it reminded me of this one that I screenshop,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna kind of paraphrase it because I can't
Speaker 2: tell you a word for word because they do not
Speaker 2: have it. But here it is. I was going on
Speaker 2: my first Tinder date with a guy who I was really,
Speaker 2: really into. We'd been speaking for weeks. It was that
Speaker 2: time to meet up in real life, so we decided
Speaker 2: that we'd go to a restaurant for a first dinner.
Speaker 2: We get to the restaurant and he's there, and he's hot,
Speaker 2: and I'm really flustered, and I'm standing at the sign
Speaker 2: that says wait here to be seated. And so we're
Speaker 2: standing there behind a couple of other couple waiting for
Speaker 2: our turn to go to the table. We're making small
Speaker 2: talk and as they become increasingly nervous, one of the
Speaker 2: things I do when I'm nervous is that I always
Speaker 2: put on chapstick. She's like, it's a nervous habit that
Speaker 2: I have, but it always makes me feel a little
Speaker 2: bit safer.
Speaker 3: We all love moist lips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some something about having a well hydrated mouth that
Speaker 2: makes you feel less nervous.
Speaker 3: I chapstick like a hundred times a day.
Speaker 2: So here she is. She's like, I put my hand
Speaker 2: into my handbag and I pull out my chapstick. I
Speaker 2: take the lid off it, and I put the chapstick
Speaker 2: on whilst I'm still talking to the guy at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 3: Anyway, trying to look cute. Of course, doing it beIN cute.
Speaker 2: My lips still feel a little bit dry after I
Speaker 2: put the chapstick on, so I proceed and put on
Speaker 2: another coat of chapstick. While I'm putting on my second
Speaker 2: coat of chapstick, I realize that the guy is looking
Speaker 2: at me like I've literally just taken a shit in
Speaker 2: a cup. And I look down and I realize it's
Speaker 2: not chapstick at all. I've just put two coats of
Speaker 2: fluo zinc on my lips.
Speaker 3: In the middle of a restaurant.
Speaker 2: Please tell me it was like Fluoro green, you know,
Speaker 2: like Floro green see that you would use if you're
Speaker 2: gonna go like surfboarding around in the ocean for the day.
Speaker 2: And here she's standing in a nice restaurant with a
Speaker 2: guy that she just met with Floro green lipstick on.
Speaker 2: I wish I knew how that ended. I love her,
Speaker 2: whoever you are.
Speaker 3: I love you please tell me you didn't sit down.
Speaker 2: And have the meal. You're like, hey, let's get this takeaway.
Speaker 2: You would have to say, like because you could. You
Speaker 2: would be hysterics doing it with such purpose as well,
Speaker 2: like you meant to do it, Like you're looking him
Speaker 2: in the eye, You're having a conversation. You're trying to
Speaker 2: seduce the guy, like, oh maybe I like you?
Speaker 3: Who knows cute day.
Speaker 2: You're like, I meant to do that.
Speaker 3: Do you just own it?
Speaker 2: Live in it? You can die on that hill.
Speaker 3: Girlfriend, you don't know what'd been funny, Because this is
Speaker 3: like a trick that I do. I don't know if
Speaker 3: anyone else does this. I'll put like lip balm on,
Speaker 3: like a clear lip balm, but then I will put
Speaker 3: it on my eyebrows as well, because because like it
Speaker 3: actually is a secret little it's a secret squirrel trick
Speaker 3: to like keep your eyebous in place. It gives them
Speaker 3: a little bit of sham. Imagine if that was me
Speaker 3: and I had like two green swipes across my eyebrows,
Speaker 3: across my lips.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm laughing at. Like, imagine you living your
Speaker 2: best nineties life. I'm here for that, Okay, The reason
Speaker 2: why that one reminded me of a one that we
Speaker 2: received from ages ago was because someone had just written
Speaker 2: in that they did it on the couch in front
Speaker 2: of their boyfriend, and their boyfriend was like, girl, what
Speaker 2: the hell are you doing? So this isn't the only
Speaker 2: one time this has happened, It's happened to other people.
Speaker 2: Still a rarity. But if you guys have an accidentally
Speaker 2: unfiltered for us, please send it to our dms on Instagram.
Speaker 2: It's at Life Uncut podcast because we absolutely lived for
Speaker 2: these accidentally unfiltered stories. They make our day. Now it's
Speaker 2: time to get into the conversation with Booker. All right, life.
Speaker 2: As you know that we have been pretty much obsessed
Speaker 2: with maths this season and it has provided many of
Speaker 2: the conversations that we've had across the podcast in past
Speaker 2: episodes and today we are super excited to have Booker
Speaker 2: with us to be able to share with you some
Speaker 2: of the inns and the outs of married at first sight. Booker,
Speaker 2: welcome to Life Uncut.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for having mecause.
Speaker 3: Now Booker, look, I just want to start. I'm all
Speaker 3: about honesty and transparency here at Life I cut Laura
Speaker 3: is sick for Married at First Sight, shed the drama
Speaker 3: or else every single series. I am going to put
Speaker 3: my hand up and say I have never watched an
Speaker 3: episode of Married at First Sight of any season. But
Speaker 3: what I do do is I follow up the next
Speaker 3: day and I get all the articles, and I do
Speaker 3: all the googling, and I watch the little highlight videos.
Speaker 3: But I've never been able to bring myself to watch
Speaker 3: an entire episode. I just want to be honest before
Speaker 3: we go into the.
Speaker 5: Chat, that's before going on the show.
Speaker 1: So like, that's so so fine that I'd heard of it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, sounds like a cool idea, and.
Speaker 3: I should go get married.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the extent of my knowledge. So like
Speaker 5: the I feelia, I am.
Speaker 2: The one that every episode, I'm like, so we're going
Speaker 2: to talk and unpack this thing that happened on Maps
Speaker 2: last night, and that has literally brought us so many
Speaker 2: I mean, we did a whole episode on gas lighting,
Speaker 2: we had did a whole episode on micro cheating, and
Speaker 2: so many of these different like relationship themes have been
Speaker 2: the byproduct if watching Married at First Sight. So for that,
Speaker 2: I'm grateful, and so is Brittany. Even if she hasn't
Speaker 2: seen an episode.
Speaker 3: No, I'm loving talking about it because this season of Maths,
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy shit, this is such a toxic lava field, drama, field,
Speaker 3: hectic TV show. I was like, there's so much going
Speaker 3: on and there is so much wrong with it. But
Speaker 3: then you see a lot of the contestants come out,
Speaker 3: and I guess it's like The Bachelor in a way.
Speaker 3: You see a lot of the contestants come out and
Speaker 3: they're still friendly and they're all meeting up, and you're like,
Speaker 3: something's going on behind the scenes that we're not seen.
Speaker 3: But how have we seen this toxic part? But we
Speaker 3: want it, We do want to unpack that with you
Speaker 3: because we are just as interested as the listeners. But
Speaker 3: before we do Booker, we always get all of our
Speaker 3: guests to bring an accidentally unfiltered. Now this is essentially
Speaker 3: it's just your most embarrassing story or a very embarrassing story.
Speaker 2: We just feel like it breaks the eyes and.
Speaker 3: Unless the people know you a little bit better. So
Speaker 3: do you have an accidentally unfiltered for us today?
Speaker 5: Yes, I've got a lot. I got a lot feeling.
Speaker 1: One time I was married to this guy and I
Speaker 1: covered the entire apartment in photos of his face and maybe.
Speaker 5: Out of a cool like can you even imagine?
Speaker 2: So imagine it on national TV though, really to escalate things.
Speaker 5: I woke up the next morning.
Speaker 1: I was like, what did you do? But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I actually, I mean, believe it or not, have also
Speaker 1: done some really uh some embarrassing things before that.
Speaker 5: That was not my first rodeo. It's a tour story.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting on this one band's too of us,
Speaker 1: and I'm plastered, and I don't really remember what happened,
Speaker 1: but I whipped out wigs. So at some point in
Speaker 1: the night, I'm whipping out these wigs. I'm wearing like
Speaker 1: an orange, like bright orange lilow wig. Apparently what happened
Speaker 1: was I was sitting there and I was just looking
Speaker 1: very very happy and just but silent, and then I
Speaker 1: just smoke bombed and no one knew where I went.
Speaker 1: We had a bed set up in the back of
Speaker 1: our tour van from my band, and I just gone
Speaker 1: and crawled into there and passed out. They found me eventually,
Speaker 1: like my band found me and I just passed out
Speaker 1: in my wig everything and we started, you know, driving
Speaker 1: off to the next city and I don't remember any
Speaker 1: of this, but apparently I just started throwing up because
Speaker 1: you know the motion of the But I woke up
Speaker 1: the next morning, sunlight streaming through like the winners of
Speaker 1: the van, and I'm feeling like, like, have I woken up?
Speaker 1: Am I dead? I'm not sure. At this point, I
Speaker 1: look next to myself and I'm like, oh, there's my wig,
Speaker 1: And then I noticed that it's just like this perfectly
Speaker 1: formed cup that is just holding my vomit in it.
Speaker 1: I've thrown up in my old wig, Like hello, am am,
Speaker 1: I a senior citizen. And did I just play like
Speaker 1: wind bing go? No?
Speaker 3: Only shouldn't put the wig back on without knowing it
Speaker 3: would have been a whole next level.
Speaker 1: So we then roll up at the next venue and
Speaker 1: we're playing like this small town and the venue sucks.
Speaker 1: Usually these venues I have great shower facilities and bathrooms
Speaker 1: and stuff. Oh no, no, no, no, this venue did not.
Speaker 1: So I have vomit in my hair and stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: feeling very seedy and like I want to shower more
Speaker 1: than I've ever wanted anything in my life. But there's
Speaker 1: no there's no shower at this venue. So I go
Speaker 1: and I stroll down to like this gas station which
Speaker 1: is just sort of nearby. So I go and I
Speaker 1: have like this bird bath shower in the disabled bathroom
Speaker 1: of this like crappy gas station in the middle of America,
Speaker 1: and to try to like make myself feel a bit better.
Speaker 1: And then I proceed to try and wash the vomit
Speaker 1: out of my wig in the public.
Speaker 2: No, you just have to admit to feed at this
Speaker 2: point and be like, you know what, WIGGI it's been fun.
Speaker 2: Please tell me you didn't pack it back into your
Speaker 2: very full suitcase and take it home right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the week. It looks great. It came up
Speaker 2: really well exactly.
Speaker 1: So that was the time I threw up in my
Speaker 1: own wig and then washed myself in the disabled toilets
Speaker 1: of a servo in the middle of America.
Speaker 3: Well, we really love that for you, and I guess
Speaker 3: what you're really doing is living your real, best, most
Speaker 3: authentic life. So congratulations on that. But book, tell us
Speaker 3: a little bit about your background in terms of how
Speaker 3: and why did you apply for married at first site?
Speaker 2: How long were you single?
Speaker 3: Was it disastrous? As my background, how did you end
Speaker 3: up in the audition room for married at first site.
Speaker 1: Well, basically I was single for like, I think five
Speaker 1: years at this point, and I had just been traveling
Speaker 1: around the world.
Speaker 5: So even though I was surrounded by dudes literally.
Speaker 1: All the time on these tours, like it'd be me
Speaker 1: and like thirty dudes, there's definitely the opportunity. But when
Speaker 1: you're touring, if you don't really want to, you know,
Speaker 1: every time you go on tour, engage in romances and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Unfortunately, as women who are trying to
Speaker 1: make it in a male dominated scene, you unfortunately you'll
Speaker 1: get that rep and I don't agree with it, but
Speaker 1: I have to accept that it's a reality. So I've
Speaker 1: had a few romances along the years, but you know,
Speaker 1: also if they live in Paris, it's like, well, this
Speaker 1: is not probably going to go much further than this tour.
Speaker 1: So I hadn't met anybody and Corona hit and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, our tour was canceled halfway through when
Speaker 1: we were in Europe, flown home, shove into isolation. We're
Speaker 1: sitting there and I was like, what the hell has happened?
Speaker 1: Did I just like, in my life just pretty much end.
Speaker 1: And I was scrolling through Facebook like devastated, going I'm alone.
Speaker 5: I'm thirty years old.
Speaker 1: And I have no prospects as far as like, I
Speaker 1: think my career just ended. I have no way of
Speaker 1: even meeting anyone because the whole world has just kind
Speaker 1: of gone into lockdown. And so I just filled out
Speaker 1: the application and the next day I got a skypephone call,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, I wasn't actually expecting to
Speaker 1: get contacted, but yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Was the application process? Like, That's something that I always
Speaker 2: found really interesting with the Batch because the application process
Speaker 2: to go on The Bachelor takes at least forty five
Speaker 2: minutes just to do the online forms, and then there's
Speaker 2: several interviews that follows, which are pretty messed up and
Speaker 2: they're really intensive. Yeah, and so what is the application process?
Speaker 2: Also part of that question as well is how much
Speaker 2: to the people who are interviewing you and the casting
Speaker 2: agents really drilled down on what you're looking for in
Speaker 2: a relationship and the type of person that you're looking for.
Speaker 1: The interviews themselves they spanned over like a period of
Speaker 1: like like a long time. So I would have an
Speaker 1: interview like over Skype and stuff, and then after maybe
Speaker 1: like a month later, I just get contacted again and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you're free for another interview. So for me,
Speaker 1: I applied for Mouths back in like March or something.
Speaker 1: Considering my wedding was on September twenty four, there was
Speaker 1: a long period of time in between there, so my
Speaker 1: interviews are so spread out. The actual application itself, I
Speaker 1: don't from memory, it didn't take that long, and I
Speaker 1: didn't put a lot of, I guess effort into it
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to go and invest actual emotional
Speaker 1: energy into this because like sure like it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. It's just it's kind of like how you'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, I'll enter this raffle, but I
Speaker 1: probably won't win type thing.
Speaker 5: So I actually when it said how many raffles do
Speaker 5: you enter?
Speaker 1: I almost never enter raffles, guys, because I never Woulin.
Speaker 3: So you didn't have to do any and I guess
Speaker 3: this might be different because we were in COVID for
Speaker 3: your audition application process, but you didn't have to do
Speaker 3: any like group applications where you were in a room
Speaker 3: with any other people or interacting with other people. None
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: No, No, I would just like have different people, you know,
Speaker 1: call me so it was the same girl the first couple.
Speaker 1: Then I start getting interviewed by different people over Skype. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, they're like, you want
Speaker 1: to get married?
Speaker 2: And I was like, Wow, how do they drill down
Speaker 2: on what you're looking for in partner? Because the one
Speaker 2: thing that really sets mass apart is this idea that
Speaker 2: people are expertly matched together to try and create successful relationships.
Speaker 2: And probably also, I think we can or deduct the
Speaker 2: fact that there's probably some people who are matched for drama,
Speaker 2: not necessarily because they're well matched people. So when you
Speaker 2: were sitting through these interviews, how do they actually like,
Speaker 2: what questions are they asking you or how are they
Speaker 2: figuring out whether or not they're matching you with a
Speaker 2: good partner.
Speaker 1: So they asked me questions like who are some of
Speaker 1: your celeb crushes, people that you're really attracted to that
Speaker 1: you would sort of say, are you're ideal man?
Speaker 3: And I was like, and who is your hall pass?
Speaker 1: Oh, Ragna Loftbrook not the guy who acts as Ragna loftbook,
Speaker 1: but like him as Ragna Suck Me Up.
Speaker 3: Fam.
Speaker 1: I watched it like I've stopped following the storyline because
Speaker 1: I'm just like getting lost.
Speaker 3: Do you think that after you saying what you want
Speaker 3: and what you were looking for and who you're looking for,
Speaker 3: do you feel like you were met with that match
Speaker 3: in Brett to an extent? And I'm saying that, as
Speaker 3: we all know, it didn't work out. You know, you
Speaker 3: had your ups and downs. But do you feel like
Speaker 3: you were genuinely matched by the experts or do you
Speaker 3: feel like you were a bit well, you know that
Speaker 3: they probably matched you knowing you weren't perfect for each other.
Speaker 1: I feel like there were a few things that were
Speaker 1: designed to test me. I had said that I really
Speaker 1: liked tall guys, and obviously Brett was not tall, Like
Speaker 1: he's exactly the same height as me with no shoes,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as I put any type of
Speaker 1: footwear on, I'm taller than him. So that for me
Speaker 1: was something that I had to kind of like just
Speaker 1: like get over, I guess and actually look past.
Speaker 5: But I think otherwise, I think we were supposed to work.
Speaker 1: I think that they matched us really really having quite
Speaker 1: high hopes for us. They never encouraged drama between us.
Speaker 1: If anything, they tried to really encourage the relationship to work.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt anyway, aside from Patrick's letter, everything like,
Speaker 1: there was nothing that I feel like they put on
Speaker 1: us to try and create something explosive. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that we were supposed to match and we did
Speaker 1: actually really were really compatible straight away, but actually did
Speaker 1: do a quite a good job in many ways. But
Speaker 1: there's of course people are really complex and they're intricate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also I guess you can put down a
Speaker 2: list of the things that you think you want in
Speaker 2: a person, but if you don't have great self awareness,
Speaker 2: you might meet someone who has all those things and
Speaker 2: still disregard that person because you're not mentally or physically
Speaker 2: at a point in your life where you're like ready
Speaker 2: to accept that or ready to be open to those things.
Speaker 2: As well. It's not a case of putting two people
Speaker 2: in the same room who have all the right components.
Speaker 2: We all know that there's an X factor there with
Speaker 2: relationships that has to exist as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And for your wedding day, when you walk down
Speaker 3: the aisle, how many times do you feel walking down
Speaker 3: the aisle And is it really the first time that
Speaker 3: you two lay eyes on each other?
Speaker 1: So I walked down the aisle three times that first
Speaker 1: time that I walked down the aisle was unlike anything
Speaker 1: I've ever experienced as far as like how I was feeling.
Speaker 1: I was like, what are these emotions? I have not
Speaker 1: had this before. It was really full on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first time I've ever seen Brett in
Speaker 1: my life, and it was bloody, terrifying and like exhilarating
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I'm just like reeling from
Speaker 1: this experience of just meeting this guy. They're like and
Speaker 1: one more damn, And I was like, clearly and I
Speaker 1: just see I had to.
Speaker 5: I was like, can we just we just hang out
Speaker 5: for a little bit, please, Like.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to hang out with him at that point,
Speaker 1: but of course I understand they have to do.
Speaker 3: That so three times.
Speaker 2: Do think that this is kind of why people start
Speaker 2: to think that these shows are overly produced, because you
Speaker 2: do have to sort of re run through scenarios multiple
Speaker 2: times in order for the cameramen to get their angles,
Speaker 2: to get all the right reactions, and to make sure
Speaker 2: that everything's captured on the day. But there's different things
Speaker 2: with The Bachelor, be cause I kind of compare the
Speaker 2: two in the way that it's filmed. Every single person
Speaker 2: who walks up and meets the bachelor. Only gets filmed once.
Speaker 2: That only happens one time, and it's a one hit wonder.
Speaker 2: If you fuck that up, you're on your own. You're yeah,
Speaker 2: you're totally on your own.
Speaker 3: Like you get your one shot and then you walk
Speaker 3: off and you kick yourself after.
Speaker 2: I guess, for example, like if they haven't captured something,
Speaker 2: do they try and encourage you to go back and
Speaker 2: do it in the exact same way? Or if you
Speaker 2: make a mistake or you do something that you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: on second thoughts, that was a terrible idea. Could you
Speaker 2: be like, no, I'm absolutely not fucking doing that again.
Speaker 2: I'm going to walk down this aisle and not make
Speaker 2: a dick of myself. Here we go.
Speaker 1: I've never have asked to like redo something, so I'm
Speaker 1: not actually sure about that question. They would need to
Speaker 1: like recapture certain moments, like my reaction when I first
Speaker 1: saw Brett and Brett's reaction when he first saw me.
Speaker 1: It was definitely the actual reactions we had. They used
Speaker 1: that footage, but there's certain stuff like if they want
Speaker 1: to sort of show that sort of more aerial view,
Speaker 1: say of me walking down the aisle, you know, they're
Speaker 1: wide shots things like that, but the close ups and
Speaker 1: like the actual emotion that people are experiencing, they're probably
Speaker 1: going to be using that original footage so that it
Speaker 1: is organic, because that is something that they're really big on,
Speaker 1: and that's why they don't want relationships and incidents occurring
Speaker 1: off camera because if they're not able to capture that authenticity.
Speaker 5: I feel like they know the audience can see through it.
Speaker 3: You know what's actually from You know, it's cooked. I
Speaker 3: had to film my dumping twice that and so shit,
Speaker 3: it's so shit. But that's another topic for The Bachelor.
Speaker 3: We put our phones in day one. You go into
Speaker 3: a hotel, you're going to lockdown. You lose everything. There's
Speaker 3: no TV, there's no phone, there's no contact to the
Speaker 3: outside world. There's no newspapers, magazines. You're literally not allowed
Speaker 3: out of their site. I guess Marrimo site's different, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's like, you guys have got you more freedom. But
Speaker 3: do you have your phones the whole time or are
Speaker 3: they confiscated? Who looks after them?
Speaker 2: Sort of? What's that sort of world?
Speaker 1: Like we have our phones all the time, except we
Speaker 1: get them taken away just before we head to the
Speaker 1: dinner party and just before we head to the commitment ceremony. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I think there was maybe a few certain time.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: They also took our phones away just before the parent
Speaker 1: meeting task because they didn't want us to cheppy chatting
Speaker 1: with our family and find out that we were going
Speaker 1: to be seeing them at that cinema.
Speaker 5: But that that was pretty fair enough.
Speaker 1: I would have had a complete mental collapse if I
Speaker 1: didn't have my ability, like the ability to contact my mum.
Speaker 1: If I didn't have the ability to contact my best friends,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have been able to cope,
Speaker 1: to be honest. So I don't know how you're what
Speaker 1: the Bachelor set up is like for you.
Speaker 3: I find it interesting because I think that I imagine
Speaker 3: the experiment would go a totally different way if they
Speaker 3: did the same thing as a Bachelor, where they took
Speaker 3: your guys phones and they just had you living together
Speaker 3: and communicating together and like being forced to you can't
Speaker 3: google each other, you can't find each other's instagrams and
Speaker 3: like learn about them, you know, from this outside source.
Speaker 2: The conversations with phones tend to come up quite a
Speaker 2: bit on maths in that like people from inside the
Speaker 2: experiment have been texting each other, or there's been like
Speaker 2: someone from an external source outside being texting someone. If
Speaker 2: you have full autonomy over your phone, how do the
Speaker 2: producers know what conversations are going on via text message?
Speaker 1: Then they don't. They tell us the rules, They run
Speaker 1: it through it with us, and they explain to us
Speaker 1: why it's important not to sort of break those rules.
Speaker 2: It did seem like whilst the show was actually airing
Speaker 2: on TV that that's when your social media accounts had
Speaker 2: kind of been taken away from you. Were these moderated
Speaker 2: by somebody else whilst the show was on TV, so
Speaker 2: you didn't have access to your social media accounts. So
Speaker 2: that was the first time that Channel nine had removed
Speaker 2: our abilities to be on our phone.
Speaker 1: So we actually did have the option to keep access
Speaker 1: to our Instagram, but in doing that we have to
Speaker 1: just go silent on it. No content. Channel nine wouldn't
Speaker 1: have it on their Instagram, like as you know their following,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be included in that, you wouldn't be verified
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And it is because of the
Speaker 1: investment I guess that viewers have in maths and how
Speaker 1: other like people from the past have had to cop
Speaker 1: just the most insane, horrific abuse from the public who
Speaker 1: just really feel that urge to like contact you and
Speaker 1: slide into those dms and send people things like threats,
Speaker 1: death threats, the rest of violence to them their families,
Speaker 1: things like that. It takes the biggest toll on mental
Speaker 1: health to receive a barrage of that and to feel
Speaker 1: like everyone just hates you and wants you harmed. So
Speaker 1: this year they actually had to make that decision. They
Speaker 1: had to protect us. They deleted every single DM because
Speaker 1: they'd learned I guess from what they ca that have
Speaker 1: happened in the past, but they actually had to go
Speaker 1: to that next level. And yeah, so we would get
Speaker 1: we would write all the captions and choose the photos
Speaker 1: from stills that they would send us. We would we
Speaker 1: would go, yeah, no, I look terrible in that, And
Speaker 1: can you zoom a little bit closer to my face
Speaker 1: in this photo? Like are you kidding me? Like that
Speaker 1: is literally just my nose, Like there were some photos
Speaker 1: I was like, who chose this? This is just like
Speaker 1: a really shiny patch on my forehead and like one
Speaker 1: eyeball in this shot.
Speaker 5: Like, there were so many that one.
Speaker 3: There are so many times I used to get my
Speaker 3: photos and I'd be like, great, so are these really
Speaker 3: the only options you've got?
Speaker 2: Is there one other options? I'd rather not post anything.
Speaker 1: Honestly, sometimes I'm like, oh, you're doing me so dirty here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so and there we were a few times
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want anyone in the world
Speaker 1: to see these ever, so I'm going to post nothing tonight,
Speaker 1: And they be like, Okay, here's some more options. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So we would have agency in that sense. We would
Speaker 1: be able to choose from those photos and we would
Speaker 1: write our own captions. They know that if they were
Speaker 1: to try to like emulate our different personalities and stuff,
Speaker 1: people would see right through it.
Speaker 2: But also I guess like at taking that agency, we're
Speaker 2: taking some agency in like being able to moderate the
Speaker 2: comments that are coming in also means that they're able
Speaker 2: to stop contestants going rogue, which has been a big
Speaker 2: thing in the past, because you know, the more that
Speaker 2: you're getting this pylon and the more that you're receiving
Speaker 2: this negativity from the public, well, the more you have
Speaker 2: to consider your edit. And if you feel as a
Speaker 2: contestant that you've had a poor edit or something has
Speaker 2: been left out in order to really sort of push
Speaker 2: a narrative. That's when contestants in the past have been like, actually, no,
Speaker 2: fuck this, and they've gotten on their own socials and
Speaker 2: they've taken matters into their own hands. And we saw
Speaker 2: a lot less of that this year than what we
Speaker 2: did in past years, because in past years it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you'd watch the show and then straight afterwards you'd fire
Speaker 2: up everyone's Instagram to see what they're unloading. But like,
Speaker 2: nobody could do that this year.
Speaker 1: No, But either that is interesting to hear that, because
Speaker 1: I heard that. I think last year Channel nine also
Speaker 1: had access, so they had access to their accounts. Channel
Speaker 1: nine was doing all the posting on their behalf, but
Speaker 1: they could still read and see their accounts. So if
Speaker 1: they've gone and posted stuff like Channel nine very easily
Speaker 1: could have deleted it. And we also still have Twitter,
Speaker 1: we have Facebook, you know, if we can get our
Speaker 1: story out there and breach our contract if we really
Speaker 1: want to. They organize press for a lot of us
Speaker 1: as well, go and do radio interviews, which really, if
Speaker 1: you do the whole I've copped about edit, and that's
Speaker 1: not really what happened, and people have done that. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no way to sense to anybody at the end
Speaker 1: of the day.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've been seeing it with Liam and Liam's
Speaker 2: story that was not discussed on the show. I think
Speaker 2: everybody who watched that last dinner party where he didn't
Speaker 2: hug Georgia hello, it didn't make sense and it really
Speaker 2: painted him as the bad guy, and it really was
Speaker 2: like quite I mean I remember watching it and I
Speaker 2: was like, well, you are a piece of work. But
Speaker 2: then it makes sense in the context once you see
Speaker 2: that video that had come out that he's now really
Speaker 2: sort of taken on his social media is to be
Speaker 2: able to get that out in the world. So I
Speaker 2: think it does kind of work in two ways that
Speaker 2: producers can create a story and create a narrative by
Speaker 2: leaving out context.
Speaker 1: Yes, omission, not showing the full picture absolutely is going
Speaker 1: to paint a picture. And you know, there was so
Speaker 1: much in my own relationship. I mean people probably saw
Speaker 1: cumulatively five minutes of me and Brett throughout the whole
Speaker 1: season until we were ending.
Speaker 5: I feel we'd say some quirky, weird.
Speaker 1: One liners to each other, and that that was pretty
Speaker 1: much or you'd get so we looked like we were
Speaker 1: just you know, love and life. But there was of
Speaker 1: course intricacies and problems and fights and all sorts of
Speaker 1: things that were going on behind the scenes. There's also
Speaker 1: stuff that happens off camera because the camera crew can't
Speaker 1: be there twenty four to seven to film us all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: We need to ask something pretty big. We have to
Speaker 3: ask the question because Australia has been obsessed with it,
Speaker 3: this whole scandalous toxic Bryce debarcle and I'm talking Bryce
Speaker 3: with Melissa and also Bryce with Beck. We want to
Speaker 3: hope what your thoughts off.
Speaker 2: Let's start with.
Speaker 3: Bryce and Beck first, because bryceon Melissa. A whole other
Speaker 3: thing Bryce and Beck was that relationship is do they
Speaker 3: hate each other as much as we saw? And was
Speaker 3: the fighting as much as we saw? Plus more? Was
Speaker 3: it off screen on screen? Was there any love between them?
Speaker 3: Or what's the gossip?
Speaker 1: I feel like at the start because Okay, during filming
Speaker 1: and stuff we were we're not supposed to talk to
Speaker 1: the other couples. We can talk to them if there's
Speaker 1: like somebody there to sort of monitor the conversation to
Speaker 1: ensure that there's not plot lines developing off screen, which
Speaker 1: is pretty much exactly what's gone and happened with Bryce
Speaker 1: and Beck. We know this conversation that occurred at a gym,
Speaker 1: so Bryce is obviously, you know, we've seen from the
Speaker 1: photo ranking task other things that he had sort of
Speaker 1: said I guess that he thought she was pretty hot.
Speaker 1: That was very evident, and he's gone and sort of like,
Speaker 1: I guess had this conversation with her in the gym,
Speaker 1: and then they've gone their separate ways and she's gone
Speaker 1: and then disclose that information to her friends in the experiment,
Speaker 1: and that's how it's then turned into a rumor and
Speaker 1: all of this has happened off camera and that's what's
Speaker 1: not supposed to happen. But as well, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like in this situation, it kind of worked for
Speaker 1: what the audience saw because we didn't see the conversation either,
Speaker 1: so what the audience was getting what we were getting
Speaker 1: as well. And that was really part of the whole
Speaker 1: thing that drove this, was that there was no way
Speaker 1: of knowing what happened in that, you know, during that
Speaker 1: gym conversation, even though Bryce kinda did say it is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did talk, but I didn't say I'd buy a
Speaker 1: gift for my girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, He's like, I mean I kind of
Speaker 2: implayed I had one, but I'm not going to get
Speaker 2: her anything.
Speaker 3: So, So did Bryce have a girlfriend? I mean we've
Speaker 3: seen her, we've seen his people talk about it. But
Speaker 3: like from someone that was in the experiment and in
Speaker 3: those dinner parties, do you think that Bryce had a girlfriend?
Speaker 1: I think that he did. Yeah, if not a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: a girl that there was the intent to have the
Speaker 1: relationship upon leaving. Because okay, number one, what would Beck
Speaker 1: get out of making up a story like that? And
Speaker 1: she told me that story off camera in confidence. I
Speaker 1: didn't tell anybody, but she had also told or two
Speaker 1: of the other girls about what had happened too, and
Speaker 1: it took a while for her to actually tell that
Speaker 1: story to them. She'd also told Jake immediately after the incident,
Speaker 1: because Jake was the one who came and into the
Speaker 1: gym as that conversation was happening and was kind of
Speaker 1: her out from that conversation, so she was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: just had the weirdest conversation and then to go and
Speaker 1: sort of discuss that or to have those types of conversations.
Speaker 1: The reason she got that she even mentioned it to
Speaker 1: me was because she'd gone and witnessed how Bryce was
Speaker 1: with Sam, Sam and Coco and you know, accusing him
Speaker 1: of being there for the wrong reasons. If I hear
Speaker 1: that bloody line again, here for the reasons.
Speaker 2: We feel you. That's like the number one line on
Speaker 2: The Bachelor. I copped it the whole time, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: got two kids now and getting married. Who would have
Speaker 2: fucked like that?
Speaker 1: You guys were here for the babies.
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to prove a point, guys, like, I'm
Speaker 2: still in it for the wrong reasons. I want to
Speaker 2: circle back on something though, that you said a little
Speaker 2: while ago, and that was in regards to obviously they
Speaker 2: don't have cameras on you twenty four to seven. That's
Speaker 2: not possible. So any conflict that happens, some of it's
Speaker 2: missed or and some of it they will get on camera.
Speaker 2: How is it possible then, or like, how do are
Speaker 2: they able to circle back to conflict or how do
Speaker 2: they make sure that like they are getting a full
Speaker 2: picture of a relationship. How do the production make sure
Speaker 2: that they're able to capture that or you know, do
Speaker 2: they ever make you sit down and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: have that conversation again, but on camera.
Speaker 1: So no, if we would have a conflict, we would
Speaker 1: basically what I would do is I would contact our
Speaker 1: producer and I'd be like, yo, we had a bit
Speaker 1: of a bit of a bloody spat last night. After
Speaker 1: a few warns, then basically we would just go and
Speaker 1: we'd sit and talk about the conflict with each other,
Speaker 1: and then we do that on camera. We wouldn't ever
Speaker 1: like go and replay or like, you know, roleplay. I
Speaker 1: don't think I would be able to do that, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know if that's so.
Speaker 3: You don't you don't you don't stop in the middle
Speaker 3: of the fight and call them, We'll be like you
Speaker 3: get here now.
Speaker 2: There's some really fucking good content going down on Level six,
Speaker 2: Apartment twenty four.
Speaker 1: Quickly, quickly, But there are obviously things that you're not seeing,
Speaker 1: which makes certain situations seem a little bit strange, like wow,
Speaker 1: book has really taken that letter at heart. Oh my god, like.
Speaker 2: A really down woman.
Speaker 1: But that was like more going on and other things
Speaker 1: that had happened that really, because otherwise I would have
Speaker 1: been like probably a little bit more understanding or like
Speaker 1: I would have listened to Britain and been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess Patrick has maybe formulated this from like in
Speaker 1: you know, he's gone and taken his own approach and
Speaker 1: his own this is his understanding of what you've said,
Speaker 1: and he's just interpreted this wrong. I would have been
Speaker 1: more open to believing that.
Speaker 2: I think that was actually My next question was in
Speaker 2: regards to this letter, which seemed to be the undoing
Speaker 2: of you guys for starters. I think it's a very
Speaker 2: unique experiment to be told, how about you write all
Speaker 2: the things that's wrong with your friend's relationship that's only
Speaker 2: going to end in fucking desires never started or to.
Speaker 1: Do that though, we're told to write constructively, give feedback,
Speaker 1: so pros cons what works, what doesn't work, encourage and
Speaker 1: then encourage them to like, here's some tasks that might
Speaker 1: help you guys to to become closer.
Speaker 2: And however, Patrick was like, so this is my opportunity
Speaker 2: to put Booker on blust here we go number one.
Speaker 2: So with that whole like what we saw play out
Speaker 2: in this on TV, what actually happened in regards to
Speaker 2: that letter and how did that all unfold.
Speaker 5: Yeah, basically we were given that task.
Speaker 1: We had gone and we wrote like Jason and Alana's
Speaker 1: and it was very constructive. It was like, we know,
Speaker 1: we can see that these are your strengths, these are
Speaker 1: some things you want to work on, and here's how
Speaker 1: you might be able to do that, and here's some
Speaker 1: tasks that will bring you closer together. And god damn it,
Speaker 1: it did bring them closer together. And actually bloody work.
Speaker 1: Patrick Patrick, God bless that guy. Like he just he
Speaker 1: was angry at me though he was really pissed. He
Speaker 1: did not like me at all. We had hardly ever
Speaker 1: really spoken much at all, you know, other than just
Speaker 1: you know, your small talk at the dinner party, like
Speaker 1: pleasantries and stuff. But he threatened him. They really connected
Speaker 1: and they had a relationship which again off screen hangouts
Speaker 1: we had. So basically what happened is Brett would go
Speaker 1: to Patrick's how Patrick's Patrick's little apartment which was next
Speaker 1: door to ours, and they would hang out and that
Speaker 1: he would vent. And of course you can venting to
Speaker 1: your mates about your relationship and unpacking it with your mates.
Speaker 1: That is your right to do and I'm so fine
Speaker 1: with that. However, what was said to Patrick was Yeah.
Speaker 1: Patrick actually later on in an interview that I saw
Speaker 1: on the Channel nine website was He's like, well, look, Brett,
Speaker 1: it never said anything good about the relationship ever, like,
Speaker 1: not not one positive comment was made about and about
Speaker 1: who she was and or anything like the stuff he said,
Speaker 1: he actually said very bad.
Speaker 5: The things he had heard from Brett.
Speaker 1: Were And you know what it's like when you've got
Speaker 1: a mate and you bloody love your mate and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so my partner did this, and you're like they did what?
Speaker 1: And you get because you protective and you care about
Speaker 1: them and you believe that they deserve better. So Patrick,
Speaker 1: he was bloody riled up. He was ready to go,
Speaker 1: is like, you know, she's got to stop doing X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z. She's got to stop talking about how
Speaker 1: good her band is. She's got to stop talking about
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna say? Hey, you like, it's just
Speaker 2: a stupid thing. I mean, it's stop being proud of
Speaker 2: yourself right now.
Speaker 3: But it's like, I mean, it's banded as shit said that.
Speaker 1: I never said my band's God, I've never said it.
Speaker 2: But even if you had said it, you're allowed to
Speaker 2: be proud of something that's your own achievement. Like it's
Speaker 2: okay for you to say your band is good, the
Speaker 2: same as it's okay for me to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I think that the jewelry I make is good. Like
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be proud of the stuff that you
Speaker 2: do when you put out into the world. Otherwise, like
Speaker 2: what what why are you doing it for? It's not
Speaker 2: even that.
Speaker 3: It's also if you are speaking, if someone is saying,
Speaker 3: tell me about yourself, that's what you're going to talk
Speaker 3: about because that is what you consumes your life and
Speaker 3: that is who you are. You're not going to talk
Speaker 3: about what you had for breakfast ten weeks ago that
Speaker 3: you had Coco Pops one day, You're going to be like, cool,
Speaker 3: ninety five percent of my time is consumed by a
Speaker 3: band that I'm in, Like, that's what you're going to
Speaker 3: talk about that.
Speaker 1: We actually didn't talk about my band very much at all,
Speaker 1: and at that point in experiment, we hadn't discussed my
Speaker 1: band or anything to do with my band or my
Speaker 1: music career for a number of weeks because I realized
Speaker 1: that it was not even it wasn't something that he
Speaker 1: was very interested in hearing about, and I'd actually voiced
Speaker 1: to him that I felt like he was quite that
Speaker 1: he would glaze over a bit. He wasn't.
Speaker 5: He didn't want to hear it, basically.
Speaker 1: So I'd learned to actually just not talk about it
Speaker 1: because it was just not a topics and it was
Speaker 1: not a conversation that we were both able to contribute to.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was really pissed off about that
Speaker 1: comment in particular.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I think you totally covered something just then,
Speaker 2: which is like a greater conversation and something that we
Speaker 2: have spoken about before on Ask Guncut episodes, and that
Speaker 2: is this idea that it's okay to bitch to your
Speaker 2: friends about your partner. Sometimes you need to do that,
Speaker 2: sometimes you need to vent, but you have to be
Speaker 2: very consciously aware that when you do that, you are
Speaker 2: painting a picture of who your partner is to your friends.
Speaker 2: And just like you said, if you're never saying something good,
Speaker 2: if you're only going to your friends to offload and
Speaker 2: all the things that you're unhappy about, then that's a
Speaker 2: very one sided view and you are literally giving them
Speaker 2: the tools to hate your partner. And so if you
Speaker 2: want the relationship to work, if you want their support.
Speaker 2: If you want your partner and your friends to be
Speaker 2: friends as well, you can't always be going in bad
Speaker 2: mouthing your partner.
Speaker 3: I think what it is to it, and it's it's
Speaker 3: human nature. We all do it. When things are really
Speaker 3: great in your relationship, you don't usually feel the need
Speaker 3: to go to your friends, sit down for coffee and
Speaker 3: be like, I just need to tell you things are
Speaker 3: so good. You don't so happy, well, you don't feel
Speaker 3: that best, yeah, And I mean I do that to
Speaker 3: Laura at the moment, but I'm in the honeymoon, Phace,
Speaker 3: but you don't feel that neat.
Speaker 1: But when things when things.
Speaker 2: A sad, fuck anything up as well. Let's be real.
Speaker 3: But it's when things are bad that's when you go
Speaker 3: to your friends, and it's when you feel like you
Speaker 3: want to offload, because it's when you feel like you
Speaker 3: want advice or you want a event. So I feel
Speaker 3: like it's human nature to be like more inclined to
Speaker 3: say this is the shit that's going on in my relationship.
Speaker 3: Even if things are good, you don't feel like you
Speaker 3: want to tell them that, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden it's snowballs. Then they get this impression that this
Speaker 3: person is just a horrible person, and then that's all
Speaker 3: they see. So Laura and I whenever we have a
Speaker 3: vent about our partners, which like you know, we have
Speaker 3: a little event occasionally when we get frustrated, but then
Speaker 3: we always make sure to be like, Buddy's actual really
Speaker 3: cute and did this and this and this.
Speaker 2: So after that letter, that was what was the catalyst
Speaker 2: for the very entertaining breat dinner that we all saw,
Speaker 2: the dinner that was all about Brett. Now my question
Speaker 2: Courses of Bread, was this entirely your idea? Well, did
Speaker 2: you wake up that morning and go, do you know what,
Speaker 2: here's a big fuck you. I'm going to do a
Speaker 2: bretat dinner And like, of course it's was done as
Speaker 2: a joke, but there was obviously some intent there as well,
Speaker 2: because you're hurting so you want to like make a point.
Speaker 2: But where are you encouraged to do this? When you
Speaker 2: went to production you were like, hey, this is my idea.
Speaker 2: Were they like your fucking cooked booker, you've lost it?
Speaker 2: Or were they like that is a great idea. No,
Speaker 2: They're like that.
Speaker 3: For sure, they love this shit.
Speaker 1: You will never be So I told my producer what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. So he's like, so, what do
Speaker 1: you want to do for this dinner? And like I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that I was being asked what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do for the dinner. I was like, I'm doing
Speaker 1: this dinner? Are you kidding? I don't what I do
Speaker 1: not feel into inclined to put a romantic feast on
Speaker 1: and pamper and praise the guy who's been trashed talking
Speaker 1: me to other people in this experiment, like I really
Speaker 1: don't want ye're not feeling too full of love right
Speaker 1: now personally. And I sat on it and I was like,
Speaker 1: I've got to make it all about Bretty. So I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, like I just had this idea.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to just print out some
Speaker 1: multiple copies of this. I'm gonna go to office works
Speaker 1: and just get heaps of copies and put it all
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh why, And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: like that's a terrible about Brett, you know, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make it about Brett. And he was like, you're
Speaker 1: sure that might not be taken the wrong way. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't know, but I'm doing it,
Speaker 1: and I really want to do it.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, the Bachelor producers would have been rubbing
Speaker 3: their hands together. They love this.
Speaker 1: I was to be the golden couple.
Speaker 5: They didn't want that going down. Yeah I work, so
Speaker 5: they were like, oh shit, shit's a bruin here.
Speaker 2: I think that's it, right, Like I mean, and mass
Speaker 2: now notoriously is getting a bad rap for couples not
Speaker 2: working out right because like the statistically they have more couples,
Speaker 2: they statistically should have more successful relationships. However, doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to be the case. So I do feel like now
Speaker 2: they are casting couples, at least a few couples that
Speaker 2: they really genuinely want to work. And from watching it,
Speaker 2: I really thought that you and Brett were one of
Speaker 2: those couples that they really were like, fuck, it's.
Speaker 3: Going to shit a board mission and they were trying
Speaker 3: to fix.
Speaker 2: It for you.
Speaker 1: They never encouraged any drama with us though they really
Speaker 1: did want us to work, I think, and they did.
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, they do.
Speaker 3: Like Laura said, they need the success couples. They don't
Speaker 3: want everyone to work because that's the show. They want
Speaker 3: this disaster love a film, toxic TV show. But then
Speaker 3: they need like one or two to have the happy
Speaker 3: ending they need.
Speaker 2: They need some successful couples to encourage people in next
Speaker 2: season to sign up. You know, if there's this terrible
Speaker 2: track record every sign up of every year, but they
Speaker 2: won't get the people who are signed up with an
Speaker 2: authentic want. You know, you do see these like you
Speaker 2: see jewels and cam and you do see some successful
Speaker 2: couples come out of it, and you're like, Okay, for
Speaker 2: all the people that didn't work for there is somebody's
Speaker 2: life who was changed by this experiment. And maybe I
Speaker 2: could be that somebody. You know, we all want to
Speaker 2: be exception in this process.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And I think they matched quite a few
Speaker 1: people together this season that really did have on paper,
Speaker 1: I could see why they were matched.
Speaker 3: At work, we see that the dinner parties are always disaster.
Speaker 3: Feel like there's always some drama going on, there's always
Speaker 3: some big fight. How much of that is sort of
Speaker 3: organic and natural and free flowing and how much is
Speaker 3: a prodded and pushed and a little bit manipulated by
Speaker 3: the producers.
Speaker 1: My experience at the dinner party is we would walk
Speaker 1: in and then it was like you'd almost forget that
Speaker 1: there was any cameras or producers there, like unless you
Speaker 1: need it to pee, you know, you had to alert
Speaker 1: one of the producers that you actually needed to get
Speaker 1: up and go to the toilet. Yeah, that was when
Speaker 1: I would be like, oh, yeah, there's like a bloody
Speaker 1: room full of people around us, like with cameras, Like
Speaker 1: there's lots of cameras, there's lots of producers. But they
Speaker 1: just let us sit there and go to town on
Speaker 1: each other. Basically. The only time I've ever seen them
Speaker 1: intervene is when when stuff is getting like maybe a
Speaker 1: bit too sort of hated it or whatever, or like
Speaker 1: when when Bryce threw water on Sam like that. You know,
Speaker 1: they had to obviously just make sure that everyone was
Speaker 1: okay after that. But other than that, yeah, they've never
Speaker 1: been like, guys, you're boring us like ever. In fact,
Speaker 1: we often got to go home after a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that wasn't very long, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't need any more content, like we've got.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so interesting you say that, because like it's
Speaker 2: the complete opposite on The Bachelor, And I know that
Speaker 2: this is one of the things that people find interesting
Speaker 2: about how the mechanics of the shows work. But for example,
Speaker 2: with the cop tap Artis and The Bachelor, if where
Speaker 2: the girls are sitting around and not creating enough drama,
Speaker 2: if they're not getting the content that they want, the
Speaker 2: producers will be like, hey, Amy, come here, and then
Speaker 2: they'll be like, you need to go and ask Stephanie
Speaker 2: this question, or you need to go and do this
Speaker 2: to create the conversations and create the drama. So I
Speaker 2: had always assumed that, you know, some of the little
Speaker 2: like Patrick calling out a question from across the table
Speaker 2: could have been yeah, but it could have been encouraged
Speaker 2: by a producer, as in, like, you know, they might
Speaker 2: know their people who are happy to do it and
Speaker 2: can be kind of persuaded a little bit more. Then
Speaker 2: all they have to do is say, hey, we think
Speaker 2: you should ask this question, and then watch it all
Speaker 2: fucking catch on fire. That's definitely what happens.
Speaker 5: Maybe it might have.
Speaker 1: I wasn't privy to it.
Speaker 3: If it did, though, it was a moment on Bachelor
Speaker 3: in Paradise that they literally it was. There was no
Speaker 3: subtlety to it. We were like leaning around the pool,
Speaker 3: and I mean, to be fair, they're filming a show
Speaker 3: we're on an island.
Speaker 2: They literally came.
Speaker 3: Up to us and they were like, get in the
Speaker 3: pool everyone now, and we're like, we don't want to.
Speaker 3: They're like, you're boring as fuck getting the pool and
Speaker 3: do something.
Speaker 4: So like jump in the pool, but they're going fun
Speaker 4: and I was like, far out.
Speaker 2: I just want to lay you. It's some bag. I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to be the thing
Speaker 2: with Bachelor in Paradise though, is it's everyone's second rodeo,
Speaker 2: so everyone's cottoned onto all of their techniques and everything,
Speaker 2: and so people are it's harder to not I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say the manipulate is the right word, because you're not
Speaker 2: being manipulated, but it's harder to coake someone or encourage
Speaker 2: someone to do something because you know, like we.
Speaker 1: All had that I wouldn't do or otherwise.
Speaker 2: Or that totally exactly, and people kind of caught onto like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can see how that can be edited together. One
Speaker 2: of the big questions I have, and it's something that's
Speaker 2: I think everyone was shocked by, and you guys all
Speaker 2: very shocked by it too, was the video that came
Speaker 2: out at the very last meet about Beck and the
Speaker 2: Prye and the brother and the kids.
Speaker 1: That just wow, wow, Yeah, And I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of people online discussing that, so go on.
Speaker 2: Did anybody have any idea that this was going on?
Speaker 2: Or was this something that you guys were as shocked
Speaker 2: about as what we were watching it?
Speaker 1: As the viewer mate, I was shook if I was like,
Speaker 1: I did not believe what I had just seen. I
Speaker 1: was like, did that just happen? Am I having a
Speaker 1: fever dream?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What has gone on? If they put acid in our
Speaker 1: bloody drinks earlier?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: Is this real?
Speaker 1: I could not.
Speaker 5: I could not believe it.
Speaker 1: Everyone was stunned, genuinely, legitimately so stunned. In fact, the
Speaker 1: whole Bloody Night had just been bombshell after bombshell because
Speaker 1: you guys have seen that footage of Coco and Cam
Speaker 1: throughout the show. We didn't have any idea. That's why
Speaker 1: Patrick's like that, well, guys like, none of us knew.
Speaker 1: None of us had any idea, And then that video
Speaker 1: with Bryce's mates, and then Buddy the Beck video, Like
Speaker 1: by the end of the night, I was like, I
Speaker 1: need a hug, and I.
Speaker 2: Need like, I need a counselor and a therapy session,
Speaker 2: and you're all fucking bad people, all of you.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 5: We were all so stunned the.
Speaker 1: Fact that that footage had by chance been recorded on
Speaker 1: on the diary cam.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Like.
Speaker 3: You know that that producer that found that just got
Speaker 3: a huge promotion.
Speaker 5: How bored would they have been?
Speaker 2: Like fingo. I had to watch it like three times.
Speaker 2: Like the first time I was like too busy looking
Speaker 2: at the manhole that I didn't actually see what happened.
Speaker 2: And the second time I was like, wait, what are
Speaker 2: you guys talking about? I was like, oh, I was like,
Speaker 2: this is is very very entertaining. But one of the
Speaker 2: things I mean, and this is a conversation we've had
Speaker 2: a lot on this podcast as well, is in regards
Speaker 2: to the experts, what role do they actually play and
Speaker 2: how much time do you actually spend with them or
Speaker 2: speak to them. Do you actually meet them before you
Speaker 2: even go on the show or is it just something
Speaker 2: that's very intermittent. I'm really interested in the role that
Speaker 2: they play and how much contact you have with them.
Speaker 1: Very very little contact. So yeah, basically I had met John.
Speaker 1: I'd done like a pre interview, like filmed interview with
Speaker 1: him where he was, you know, asking me questions, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was sort of talking about my love
Speaker 1: life and you know, basically why I was there and stuff.
Speaker 1: They would air little bits and pieces from people's interviews
Speaker 1: that they'd had pre getting married. I'd met John, I'd
Speaker 1: met Alessandra and mel when they came to the Hens night,
Speaker 1: and they were like, hell it is. But otherwise, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that first argument in the ceremony was the first time
Speaker 1: that we'd sort of sat down with them in that capacity,
Speaker 1: and then we would spend anywhere between half an hour
Speaker 1: to an hour sitting on the couch unpacking our relationship.
Speaker 2: I think that that's one of the really interesting things though,
Speaker 2: that part of the storyline is that they give this
Speaker 2: perception that you're chosen by these people, by these three
Speaker 2: people that are on the couch, that they specifically choose you.
Speaker 2: And like, I mean, the show's been going on long
Speaker 2: enough now that as a viewer, we all know that
Speaker 2: that's not the case. Like I mean, it's a it's
Speaker 2: a nice it's a nice narrative, and it kind of
Speaker 2: goes along the storyline, But I don't think anybody actually
Speaker 2: watches the show now and goes, oh, yes, the three
Speaker 2: of them sat down, went through all those photos and
Speaker 2: hand picked these people. I think it's interesting that they
Speaker 2: keep trying to like hold on to that narrative, whereas
Speaker 2: I do enjoy the commentary that they provide at dinner
Speaker 2: parties and the commentary that they provide on the couch.
Speaker 1: To really unpack it though at that night, because you
Speaker 1: see them having you see them around and stuff.
Speaker 3: We want to ask you about Bryce and Melissa because
Speaker 3: to Australia they're now a successful relationship. They are coming
Speaker 3: out and saying they're very happy and very together, very
Speaker 3: in love, talking about a real wedding. I actually heard
Speaker 3: them say the other day they're talking about their own
Speaker 3: reality show, which I will never watch. But what are
Speaker 3: your honest thoughts on that relationship? Because to us the viewer,
Speaker 3: no one could figure out why on earth Melissa would
Speaker 3: possibly stay with him and stick up for him. And essentially,
Speaker 3: even after everything has come out, I think at the time,
Speaker 3: everyone was like, Okay, cool, she's been blindsided in the experiment.
Speaker 3: When it's over and when she can see it from
Speaker 3: an outside perspective, she'll understand, she'll leave him. But instead
Speaker 3: her love, you know, increased tenfold and.
Speaker 2: We can't galvanize them.
Speaker 3: We just can't understand it.
Speaker 1: We would hear about these things that had happened behind
Speaker 1: closed doors, like that we hadn't been witnessed to, Like
Speaker 1: we'd hear it on the commitments, ceremonic ouch and at
Speaker 1: dinner parties like ranking Melissa forth, like we weren't there
Speaker 1: to witness that. But also there was all this stuff
Speaker 1: that I personally was not aware of that had gone on,
Speaker 1: so like comments about she's not ugly, you're not my type,
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We would hear bits and pieces
Speaker 1: of how that went down, but seeing it was something
Speaker 1: completely different and actually seeing how it was said, however,
Speaker 1: with all of the room that were flying around. So
Speaker 1: first Beck says this story, then Samata joins us for
Speaker 1: Girls Night, and that same story from a completely different person,
Speaker 1: and she also, I will absolutely like stand by this.
Speaker 1: She was someone who really followed those rules. She didn't
Speaker 1: get any of our numbers when she left the show,
Speaker 1: she didn't have a way to contact any of us,
Speaker 1: and she actually didn't know that this room even existed
Speaker 1: within the show. So she came in after all of
Speaker 1: that time and she hadn't spoken to any of us
Speaker 1: so yeah, she comes in with thinking she's got a
Speaker 1: loaded gun when really like it's old news, almost like
Speaker 1: that she's delivering. So yeah, I really thought at that
Speaker 1: point that maybe Melissa would walk away, But then she
Speaker 1: didn't sow it and that was obviously quite bamboozling and
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, well, it just.
Speaker 3: Came from too many sources in the end, didn't it.
Speaker 3: And then when there was that footage of the friends
Speaker 3: that didn't know they were being recorded, And for anyone
Speaker 3: that doesn't know how this works, they would have had
Speaker 3: no idea that there were people still listening to their conversation.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't know there were cameras still around, because you're
Speaker 3: not open to that world that you were thrown into,
Speaker 3: a world that you have no idea about. They would
Speaker 3: have thought that were having a conversation between each other
Speaker 3: that no one could hear.
Speaker 1: That was incredibly authentic, that moment with his friends, even
Speaker 1: though you know he's saying that it was set up
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: What advice would you have for somebody who's thinking about
Speaker 2: doing Maths next year or wants to apply for the show.
Speaker 1: I know that there's really a lot of Maths cast
Speaker 1: members have said like no, I would never do it again,
Speaker 1: and like, don't bloody do it, and they're really quiet
Speaker 1: adamant about that. I found maths to be one of
Speaker 1: the hardest things I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 5: But that being said, I am.
Speaker 1: Glad I did it and I would do it again
Speaker 1: because even though it was so challenging and difficult at times,
Speaker 1: I feel like what I gained from doing that and
Speaker 1: going through that, and also the relationships that I made,
Speaker 1: the friendships I formed, I feel like it was worth it. Personally,
Speaker 1: it is not for the faint hearted. Don't do it
Speaker 1: if you don't feel secure in who you are.
Speaker 3: It's really unfortunate as well, but it is. It's just
Speaker 3: part of the package. Unfortunately still in this day and age.
Speaker 3: But I think it's the same for reality TV across
Speaker 3: the board. You have to have the thickest skin. And
Speaker 3: this is this doesn't matter if it's Married at First
Speaker 3: Sight or The Bachelor, it doesn't matter if it's Survivor
Speaker 3: or something that's not even love based. There are just
Speaker 3: these people out there, these trolls that are going to
Speaker 3: come for you. And you also don't know what your
Speaker 3: edit is going to be because we get a lot
Speaker 3: of it, a lot of questions too, Should I go
Speaker 3: on the Bachelor? Should I apply for it? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent the best experience of my life, But
Speaker 3: there were moments I was like, what have I done?
Speaker 3: Purely because of the people out there that it is horrible?
Speaker 3: So that is something I think everyone needs to know.
Speaker 3: For any reality show that they're going to pear on,
Speaker 3: you have to be ready for that. You have to
Speaker 3: be ready for something that is so far from anything
Speaker 3: you have ever experienced. And even though people can tell you,
Speaker 3: you just don't know until you know.
Speaker 1: You're so like honestly and you obviously understand what it
Speaker 1: is like. There was nothing I could have done mentally,
Speaker 1: emotionally whatever to prep myself. I could have spoken to
Speaker 1: you guys and heard this from you guys, but nap,
Speaker 1: And I actually thought that I would have this really
Speaker 1: thick skin because I've had to deal with trolls and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I'm the only chick in an or
Speaker 1: dude metal scene, had to like cop trolls and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 5: For years.
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be fine and that
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, uniquely had this advantage that
Speaker 1: I was going to be able to deal with it
Speaker 1: better than other people.
Speaker 5: Nope, I was wrong. Is there another level?
Speaker 2: One thing that someone said to me when I was
Speaker 2: coming off the back of the show, and it was like,
Speaker 2: every single person can have a social media account, and
Speaker 2: every single person can have multiple social media accounts. And
Speaker 2: if you were crossing the street and somebody started calling
Speaker 2: out horrible things to you on the street, a random person,
Speaker 2: you would look at them and go, mate, you're fucking crazy,
Speaker 2: and you'd cross the street and you'd walk away and
Speaker 2: you say to your friends, oh my god, this crazy
Speaker 2: person said some horrible things to me on the street today.
Speaker 2: What are absolute weirdo. But because it comes under the
Speaker 2: cloak of social media, these people say horrible things to
Speaker 2: us and you take it and you go, oh my god,
Speaker 2: why would somebody say those things to me? But it's
Speaker 2: like you wouldn't care what that crazy person on the
Speaker 2: street says, So don't care about what that crazy person
Speaker 2: online says. And you can choose to live in this world,
Speaker 2: which is the real world, or you can choose to
Speaker 2: live in the social media world. It's the characterization that's
Speaker 2: the thing. And people become so invested and even though
Speaker 2: people know it's reality TV, and even though every season
Speaker 2: we have the same conversation about, hey, actually they're real people,
Speaker 2: there is an element of it that doesn't feel real,
Speaker 2: and there is an element of it that's entertainment, and
Speaker 2: there is an element of it where people go, I
Speaker 2: don't like that character, and so I can say what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, and they're not going to be that
Speaker 2: hurt because they know what they've signed up for. And
Speaker 2: this is the one thing that I absolutely cannot say enough.
Speaker 2: Nobody really knows what they've signed up for unless you've
Speaker 2: done it once. You have no idea what you're in for,
Speaker 2: and you aren't asking for it by signing up for it,
Speaker 2: because you just don't fucking know. You just don't know the.
Speaker 1: Threats and like no, of course, not like abuse and
Speaker 1: like the to the highest degree of vile, degragating commentary
Speaker 1: on your character or your family members. People even went
Speaker 1: after my parents a little bit as well, because, like
Speaker 1: my beautiful father said, you know, like explore the depth
Speaker 1: of each other and have those conversations. People were hanging
Speaker 1: shit on him, which horrified me because my parents only
Speaker 1: went on and exposed themselves like that because they love me,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to be supportive parents, and so for
Speaker 1: them to even like cop stuff, I was like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Even know it's mind boggling. I receive more death threats
Speaker 3: and discussing messages now than I ever have before since
Speaker 3: I started dating my partner. He's a tennis player. Every
Speaker 3: single week, I so like, last night I received a
Speaker 3: message if he loses a match, I will receive fifty
Speaker 3: messages saying last night I got one saying come to
Speaker 3: Turkey so I can slit you open like a pig
Speaker 3: and hang you in my backyard. And now I've received
Speaker 3: more from being in that athlete's world than any like
Speaker 3: it's so much worse than reality TV. I'm actually gobsmacked.
Speaker 3: And I'm his just his partner. It's like they want
Speaker 3: to do this to me and my family because I'm
Speaker 3: his partner and he lost one match. It is mind blowing.
Speaker 3: So there's just really no limit to it. There's no
Speaker 3: category anymore, there's no limit. There are just so many.
Speaker 3: And I actually wrote back to that person.
Speaker 2: Jordan was like, why are you writing?
Speaker 3: Why are you because I never do but this person,
Speaker 3: I was like, you want to slip me open and
Speaker 3: my family, and he put like a spelling mistake in it,
Speaker 3: So I just wrote back something funny about the spelling mistake.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought was funny.
Speaker 1: That shocks me to hear that you can get that
Speaker 1: ugly and that violent hurt that guy, like my god,
Speaker 1: to hate somebody so badly that you would go and
Speaker 1: say something like that, I'm sorry that you have received
Speaker 1: that like and I hope that you know it doesn't
Speaker 1: penetrate at all, and you're just like, wow, what has
Speaker 1: gone on for these people?
Speaker 2: Were the songs that you wrote about Brett the ones
Speaker 2: that the media were talking about? Was it my bread
Speaker 2: in mind?
Speaker 5: That was okay? So that song beat Me Up Soft Boy.
Speaker 1: I learned what software was when I was on the
Speaker 1: show because one of my friends had said to me, like,
Speaker 1: what you're describing with you know, your relationship is soft
Speaker 1: boy behavior, and I was like, like, you know, to
Speaker 1: call men's soft that's really problematic. And then I actually
Speaker 1: googled it and I was like, oh, okay, and it
Speaker 1: was not about Brett. That song was about my new
Speaker 1: found excitement over this soft boyf Instagram called beam Me
Speaker 1: Up Soft Boy, which I was like, I'm really into
Speaker 1: it and the messages on there are hilarious. It's got
Speaker 1: like over half a million followers and stuff. I'm about
Speaker 1: to release another song called faked It, which is basically
Speaker 1: the choruses do that thing you do where you lie
Speaker 1: right to my face because I lied to all of
Speaker 1: those times. I faked it, which is basically saying, you
Speaker 1: suck in bed, baby, It's not about ready.
Speaker 2: I've had to.
Speaker 1: Like contact Brett about like the soft Boy song, because
Speaker 1: he got asked about it on a radio interview and
Speaker 1: I was like, mate, it's not about you. Was like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, And then I've had to like pre warn
Speaker 1: him that people might actually think that this next one's
Speaker 1: about him, and like, I don't want people to be like, Haha,
Speaker 1: Brett sucks in bed or an asshole for like, for
Speaker 1: this song, people are going to assume my stuff's about Brett. Definitely.
Speaker 1: There was a guy that I was hooking up with
Speaker 1: when I got back home who was like a flame
Speaker 1: from before. We'd only ever hooked up like a few
Speaker 1: times before the show, and then you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: month or so after returning, I saw him and we
Speaker 1: started hanging out again.
Speaker 3: And basically, he sucks in bed makes a better headline anyway.
Speaker 3: That's what it is. It's like, Book great, this song
Speaker 3: about Brett is better than Book has moved on and
Speaker 3: is just writing some music based on some sort of
Speaker 3: experience that she had at some point in a life.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I wouldn't read that article.
Speaker 5: Pays homage to Instagram page like, no one's.
Speaker 3: Clicking on that shit.
Speaker 2: But we're going to put all your details in the
Speaker 2: show notes for this episode as well. But Booker, before
Speaker 2: we do let you go, we do one thing with
Speaker 2: every guest that we haven't It's how we end every
Speaker 2: single episode and it's called Our Suck and our Suite.
Speaker 2: So basically what it is is we get you to
Speaker 2: tell us what was your suck from the week and
Speaker 2: what was your sweet from the week. And it can
Speaker 2: be anything. It can be the most insignificant suck if
Speaker 2: you've had a great week, or it could be something
Speaker 2: really shitty, or it could be something really great. We've
Speaker 2: just rung this on you. So Baby, we'll go first,
Speaker 2: and you can have a two second think about it.
Speaker 2: What is your okay? All right, rut, I'll go first,
Speaker 2: All right, My suck for this week is my week's
Speaker 2: been pretty great. I haven't really had a suck. The
Speaker 2: only suck I have and every week all of my
Speaker 2: suck and sweets are always kid related because like, that's
Speaker 2: my entire life.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: My suck is that Molly had a mosquito bite on
Speaker 2: her head that she's now out scratched into a massive
Speaker 2: hole and she looks like she's got some sort of disease.
Speaker 2: So she's fine, but it's not nice taking your kid
Speaker 2: outside the house when they look like there's something wrong
Speaker 2: with them and people look at you like, oh, that
Speaker 2: looks nasty. So that's my suck. Yeah, like, what are
Speaker 2: you doing to your child? She's not neglected and she's fine,
Speaker 2: she just can't stop scratching it. My sweet is that
Speaker 2: I went to Wiggles concert yesterday. It was fucking great,
Speaker 2: like around since I was like the Weekle's been around
Speaker 2: for thirty years. I was fine back all right, but
Speaker 2: no one of the most.
Speaker 1: I like, you have a big crush on Anthony.
Speaker 2: Anthony has been the one that's been there since I
Speaker 2: was five, So yeah, look, he was actually better in
Speaker 2: real life. I'm down with that, guys. This is not
Speaker 2: turning into Wiggles podcast. Okay, So that was my second sweet, Brittany,
Speaker 2: what is your suck?
Speaker 3: And sweet it's supposed to be short and spicy. My
Speaker 3: suck is that I am supposed to be heading to
Speaker 3: Perth this week, but they've gone into lockdown, so that's
Speaker 3: really awesome for me. Hopefully they come out of a
Speaker 3: lockdown so I can still go and have a little holiday.
Speaker 5: I'm in Perth, so oh yeah.
Speaker 2: You're in lockdown right now. I my sock. You can
Speaker 2: bring that well for everybody who is in Perth, we're
Speaker 2: thinking of you, and Booker, we're thinking of you. That
Speaker 2: fucking sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my sweet is that I went away for
Speaker 3: a few days and I went did some adventuring. I
Speaker 3: went surfing, I got some sunshine, I went on a
Speaker 3: quad bike. So I had a really good few days
Speaker 3: with my sister, so that I'm going to share that
Speaker 3: all next week anyway, guys, because I did have a
Speaker 3: lot of fun and I've had a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: So that was my sweet. So Booker hit us you're
Speaker 3: in lockdown.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's my suck basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went to lockdown on Friday, like midnight Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: So that sucks because I had some pretty cuel plans
Speaker 1: for this weekend. And Beth from the show you know,
Speaker 1: the one who was married to Dan Andrews for those
Speaker 1: who can't remember that far back. She's moving away to
Speaker 1: New South Wales to be a psychologist. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: alspos to have her going away drinks this weekend and
Speaker 1: we weren't happy to do that, which sucks. I just
Speaker 1: really hope she doesn't leave without being able to say
Speaker 1: a bote. And then my suite is that I'm in
Speaker 1: talks with a major record label for my little band
Speaker 1: Internet Friends too, because they want to basically give us
Speaker 1: a bunch of money and help to release the song
Speaker 1: Faked It, which is about faking orgasms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do that, guys, it's a terrible idea. Don't
Speaker 2: set people up for a terrible sex next time.
Speaker 3: No, that's awesome, congrats. We hope that that takes off here.
Speaker 5: So that's really exciting for me.
Speaker 3: So, Booker, what's your Instagram handle? Where can people go
Speaker 3: and find you?
Speaker 1: Just my name? It's book a Nile, But.
Speaker 2: Also for anybody who wants to find your music, where
Speaker 2: can they find it? And how how can they go
Speaker 2: about listening and downloading?
Speaker 5: iTunes?
Speaker 1: Spotify, at any platform really, Like the demos of a
Speaker 1: bride stuff that I put up is only on Spotify
Speaker 1: for some reason, iTunes was like new like there was
Speaker 1: an error or something when I uploaded that.
Speaker 5: But otherwise, yeah, it's it's under my name Booker Nile.
Speaker 1: And then my little rock band that I made is
Speaker 1: called Internet Friends, and then my metal band is make
Speaker 1: Them Suffer, and that I would I imagine most people
Speaker 1: who have watched the show and most people out there
Speaker 1: probably won't like that band, but give it us, I
Speaker 1: have to admit.
Speaker 2: So, Like when when we found out that we were
Speaker 2: looking in an interview, I went and I was like listening,
Speaker 2: and I was like, holy shit, this is hard. Like
Speaker 2: this is full on only because I am so deep
Speaker 2: in the world of pop. It's disgusting. You Wiggles concert guys,
Speaker 2: like that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3: I don't want to break this to you, Laura, but
Speaker 3: the Wiggles isn't in the pop category.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the entertainment. Thank you for like you know,
Speaker 2: gracing our screens for the last couple of months, like we
Speaker 2: can get.
Speaker 3: An interview, yeah one, thank you for the interview.
Speaker 2: We've loved interviewing, and you guys are great fun. We
Speaker 2: wish you so much luck with all of the music
Speaker 2: that's happening now that you can get back out in
Speaker 2: the world in a very short past space of time.
Speaker 2: Not right now, but when you can.
Speaker 3: We wish you the best of luck, and I hope
Speaker 3: you go find yourself a man who ain't gonna fake
Speaker 3: any orgasms. And it's not gonna make you fake any orgasms.
Speaker 2: You're like, where's the coum.
Speaker 3: He's like, where is the guys do that? They're like,
Speaker 3: it's in the condom. They take it off real quick
Speaker 3: and they put in the bin.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is a thing.
Speaker 3: It is a hundred. I'm going to say something super
Speaker 3: I am going to say something super crude. I have
Speaker 3: had people tell me that when a guy wants to
Speaker 3: fake it, and I'm sorry for anyone, they'll do it
Speaker 3: doggie style and they'll they'll spit on the back and
Speaker 3: pretend it and then they wipe it off. It's discussing
Speaker 3: and I don't know why they would do it, but
Speaker 3: like it's irrelevant. Let's just go find you a man sex.
Speaker 5: Like imagine that. I hope that's not my next sexual experience.
Speaker 2: Guys, I really hot the next time someone tries to
Speaker 2: turn you over at the end, you're gonna be like, no,
Speaker 2: look me in the eye, Brittany said. Anyway, that is
Speaker 2: it from us. If you have left the episode, you
Speaker 2: you know the drill. Go and tell your mom, tell
Speaker 2: your dad, tell your dog, tell your friends, and shed
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