WEBVTT - UNDER THE INFLUENCE: Diamonds' Netballer Erin Bell 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.280 My mental health I think was being you know, being 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.760 fit and not having a contract and not having. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.560 A job or having to pay for all these things. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:10.440 All of a sudden, you're just kind of like, whoa, whoa, 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:11.400 whoa slow down. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.240 Oh my god, I can't believe people are saying these things. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.759 Do you realize that? You know, these athletes are real people. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.640 They put so much time and effort into their training. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.600 They are trying their absolute best out on court. Nobody 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:29.639 goes out there to play badly. The reality is that football, 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.519 the women's league, is going quite well and the girls, yeah. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.600 See it as appealing, and netwill have to counteract that 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:37.360 and respond. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.400 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Amy 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.320 and Sophie Torbert for our very special Under the Influence episode, 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.000 and today we are so excited to be joined by 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.560 Diamonds netballer Aaron Bell for a very open chat about 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.040 life after netball, how to achieve your goals, the rise 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.880 of women's sport, and how to successfully run aside hustle erin. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.760 Thank you so much for joining us and Outspoken, thanks 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.000 for having me. Welcome back to Adelaide. Thank you love 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.520 coming back, love catching up with you. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:08.759 Too. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:10.760 Well, I thought. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.680 We'd explained to the listeners. I suppose a little bit 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.200 about how we actually know each other. So you used to, well, 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.560 your sister Kate used to work as a media manager 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.320 at the Adelaide Thunderbirds, and she's not here, so you 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.800 have the opportunity to throw her onto the bus a bit. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.080 What was it actually like working with Kate? 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.600 A look, it was a little while ago, but no, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.679 in all honesty, she was a bit of a breath 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.360 of fresh air for the Thunderbirds, I think, and I 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.119 think just netball in general, trying to get that exposure 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.680 and you know in Adelaide everybody loves netball, but still 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.800 having the challenges of battling with the two footy teams. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.000 And I think Kate did a really good job of 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.960 coming up with some creative ways to get netball out there. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.760 And I did love being a part of many of 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.280 her very fun, strange ideas. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.160 She did lack of meme from time to yeah, and 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.760 I was always the victim of the memes and it 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:03.960 was quite funny. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:04.880 But that's all good. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.280 Sometimes you just have to suck these things up for 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.440 the followers. My favorite was when she had you guys 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.200 all glammed up to the absolute max, and then you 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.440 actually had to end up scrapping that campaign. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.880 Oh yeah, and we actually went to like a full 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.600 studio and we had oh I had eyebrows like caterpillars 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.320 on my face and I hated it. Yeah, and then 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.080 I don't even know why I didn't end up happening. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.360 Mustn't have gotten approved two raunchy for netball. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.040 Alam people like, who the hell are they? 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.000 Who is black girl? Just chuck them in their uniform 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:35.919 and get them on court. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:41.160 Well, talking about netball, obviously, people in Adelaide and Melbourne 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.680 know Aaron Bell, they know the name. Just reading some 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.800 of your achievements, I was like, oh my god, I 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.679 know you're good, but I didn't realize you were the 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.200 first player to win three A and Z Premierships. Looking 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.400 back on your career, was that something that you, as 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:54.880 a youngster, thought you'd achieve. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.400 Oh gosh, I think a lot of my career I 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:59.840 didn't think I would achieve. 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:00.240 You know. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.000 I was just like any old, you know, young netballer 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.320 who plays because they love it, and then you know 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.320 you're getting a team and you realize, oh, you know, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.160 I kind of like this. I wonder how far I 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.560 can take this, and I you know, it was competitive, 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.840 as I guess most athletes are, and you just put it. 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.519 I more challenged myself to see how far I could 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.720 get and yeah, you know, one thing led to another 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.680 and obviously lots of hard work and all that stuff 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.880 in between. But yeah, when I came to Adelaide, I 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.640 think is where I really started to blossom in my career, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.040 really started to take off. And being a part of 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.400 that premiership that was my third premiership. I didn't know 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.240 that stat until somebody told me. And I guess it's 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.840 not about counting the stats, and it never was. And 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.200 all the achievements are, you know, great, and I'm proud 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.680 to look back on all of those things, but it's 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.800 not why you play the sport. And I think everyone 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.000 will say the same thing. And yeah, I think I 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.680 think the record got broken the year after any Someone 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.480 hung around that extra year and I was hoping. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.800 That they would lose just so that I couldn't keep it. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.440 But no, it's yeah, it's amazing to look back on 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.119 it now, but it does feel like a long time ago, 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.280 even though it was only I don't know. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.320 Not that long ago, but time fliers. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.280 And what was young Aaron like, Were you always into 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.039 sports as a kid growing up? 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:22.080 I wasn't. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.160 I wasn't Like my family was not very sporty at all, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:26.920 and that always surprises people. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.039 So my mum was a dancer and my dad was 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:30.640 a fisherman. 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:31.360 Yeah. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.680 Dad always told me the story he played one game 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.159 of footy as a kid, broke his leg, never played again, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.960 and mum enrolled me in ballet because that's all she knew. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.320 And it wasn't until a friend at school asked me 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.279 to play in their netball team and then we discovered netball. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.279 So yeah, neither of my parents played sport. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.000 My brothers. I have two brothers. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.000 They tried to play soccer, didn't want to go to training, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.880 hated it. They did like BMX motorbike riding. They're out 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.680 on the river fishing. So yeah, I was just kind 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.880 of this random child of the family that was going 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.320 for runs and going to the gym and making everyone 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:08.239 come watch me play. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.120 Netball and no one really understood it. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.280 And I swear my mum probably after about fifteen years, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.479 probably understood the rules eventually. But I think it was 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.480 good for me, like I had that balance and I 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.520 didn't have those parents who pressured me to make this 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.040 team or get to this level. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.960 They were just like, yeah, what time's training? Oh? 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.400 How long do I have to sit in the current? 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.080 Take you you know to training? 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.840 Oh? Traffic? Oh do you really want to do it? 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.520 And I was like yeah, so yeah, it was kind 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.880 of good to not have that pressure or that expectation 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.920 of having to live up to your parents or your 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.680 siblings and I could just do my thing, and yeah, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:45.359 it worked for me. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.000 Do you think that is a disadvantage for some kids, 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.120 because you know, you see the pushy mums on the 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.960 sidelines and they've got their oranges cut up and it 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.000 just like just like oh, like you know, playing for 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.760 sheep stations that kind of thing. Do you think that 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.640 is a disadvantage for kids? Oh? 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.239 Yeah, and I see it a lot when I coach. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.520 Now, you kind of it does reflect in the kids, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.719 and I think you know that they're just always trying 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:08.240 their best. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:09.880 But I think the ones who have that. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.440 Pressure on them do get a lot more disappointed if 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.440 things don't go to plan and if they don't make 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.240 a team or if they don't get on court, whereas 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:18.960 the kids who. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.840 Their parents just kind of like, yeah, oh good. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.560 They're a lot less hard on themselves, so they probably 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.760 just yeah, they keep playing, and whereas the other ones 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.000 might just think it's all too hard eventually. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.560 So I don't know. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.760 Yeah, I mean some need that motivation and that push, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.880 but I think it's you know, and I can't judge. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.279 I'm not a parent, but I think it is important 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.040 to find that balance and not be too over the top. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.200 Definitely. So what is the reality of actually being an 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.839 elite athlete, Because you know, we watch the netball and 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.560 it looks quite glamorous from the sidelines, I suppose, but 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:59.000 what is their reality, like, what are some of the 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.800 sacrifices that you have to give up? I think it's 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.920 changed a lot over the years. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.200 So I first got picked up in a professional team 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.800 when I was eighteen. That was a very long time ago, 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:14.200 and I played in that league for fifteen years and 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.720 over that time there's just been huge changes. So, you know, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.600 back when I first got recruited, I was playing in 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.040 Sydney for the Swifts. I was finishing off high school 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.280 and I was playing with players like Liz Ellis, who 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.680 are still around now in the media. But you know, 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.160 all the older girls would work. We'd train at five 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.559 or six o'clock and in the evening, so everybody could 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.720 work and come to training, and we'd do that three 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:46.080 times a week. Whereas now it's a full time commitment. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.720 So obviously the pay in the you know, the pay 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.520 has gone up a lot. It's still not enough to 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:57.440 cover living expenses for players on minimum wage, but with that, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.120 the expectation has gone up as well, so girls are 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.960 expected to be available every. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:02.960 Day in at the club. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.680 You can be training at eleven, you could have a 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.640 meeting at one. It's very hard now to hold down 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.320 another job. And I guess that's what we always push towards. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.440 We pushed towards that level of professionalism and we wanted 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.440 to make our sport elite and to reward players financially. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:22.840 To be able to just focus on sport. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.040 And it's probably milli there, or it is there for 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.080 maybe a handful of players. But yeah, as I said, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.560 our minimum wage still isn't enough to probably equal that 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.200 level of commitment for every single player just yet. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.760 But yeah, it's getting there. 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.760 So are there girls that are still working full time jobs? 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.640 Then no one I don't think would be working full 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:51.480 time but yeah, so the minimum wage is roughly thirty 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.360 thousand dollars and if you're living out a home and 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.720 if you live in Sydney or Melbourne and you're a 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.560 nineteen twenty year old player, like, yes, it's great, but 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.360 then there's also the reality of bills to pay rent 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.520 all that type of thing. So I would say everybody 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.480 at least does you know coaching or some kind of 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.880 casual you know, some girls are trainers at F forty 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:13.839 five that type of. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.520 Thing on the side, or you just work really. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:21.120 Hard in your off season and just spend up and whatever, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.680 just rest up in the season. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.960 So yeah, do you think because it is now a 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.240 full time job, it is more important that the girls 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.920 are thinking of the life after netbule because I mean, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.040 I suppose you're so consumed in the sport and if 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.520 you don't have time to have a separate career or study. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:38.839 What do you think needs to happen at the moment? 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.960 Is that something at a club level that people need 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.080 to be looking at to have programs in place? 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.040 Yeah? I think so. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.440 And I think you know, like the AFL, they encourage 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.880 their players to try and study or work still a 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:52.960 day or week. I think I don't know how effective 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.440 that is or if players do it, but I know 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.080 they do try and encourage that. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.280 I think, yeah, girls need to be even time. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.000 To be able to study or go to work, experience 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.640 or hold down a job at least for a day 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.240 a week or two days a week, because yeah, with 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.439 the increased professionalism of our sport, it's also really cutthroat now, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.400 so you know, you're not guaranteed a contract at all. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.400 You might be abt a club for ten years and 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.840 then see later the year after. So I think, yeah, 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.200 it's definitely important for people to think about that life 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.200 after sport. And that's not as a you know, for 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.960 me thirty one year old old player who's been playing 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.160 for fifteen years. That could be you're a twenty one 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.400 year old player who got a two year contract and 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.040 then that's it and all their friends have gone on 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.800 and finished UNI and they're kind of like, oh, Okay, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.760 what do I do now I'm behind? So I think 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.120 it really is important to think about that, and it 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.680 is getting harder, so it probably does come down to 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.800 the clubs encouraging it and allowing the girls the time 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.720 to do it, So putting training not in the middle 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.760 of the day, like put training at a time where 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.480 they still can go and work casual job and have 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.480 that work life balance, I guess you'd call it. And 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.840 I always found that when I had that good balance, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.320 I actually played better netball. As soon as my whole 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.200 life revolved around netball. It you know, the more pressure 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.600 and you know your performance can suffer. So I guess 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:16.680 it's individual as well. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.320 And talking about I suppose players having side hustles, you 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.760 of course have your Aaron bel netball clinics. Is that 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.280 something you identified quite early in your career that you 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.120 know you had to have something else happening, although it's 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.600 netball related, but something off the court that you were 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:31.160 involved in. 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.640 Yeah, And I think that's because I got put into 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.840 the system so young when everybody did work. So that 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.320 is what I was brought up with, and that is 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.720 just how I thought that, you know, you had to 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.680 be and like netball was never going to be just 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.800 the only thing that defined me. I went to university, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.800 I got a degree, I was working, and then when 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:53.920 the commitment got a bit hard for me to hold 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.520 down that job, I couldn't just do netball. Like I 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.280 always felt like I still had to be doing something else, 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.160 and obviously I had a passion for coaching and I 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.360 wanted to help the juniors. And I didn't have a 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.840 lot of that when I was young because like no offense, 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.160 but my mum like she just didn't know it was around, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.600 Like she wouldn't have know a Netbrow clinic even existed. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.240 So I didn't do any of that. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.079 And I thought, you know, it'd be really great to 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.400 be able to pass on a lot of what I've 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.360 learned to the next generation. And I just realized that 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:29.560 in South Australia there really wasn't a lot of opportunities. Yeah, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.280 growing up in New South Wales there were a lot 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.200 of clinics, and when I was with the Swifts, there 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.160 was a lot of coaching opportunities. That's how I got 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.000 through UNI doing all these coaching clinics and coming to 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.640 Adelaide there was just nothing. So yeah, I kind of 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:49.119 put my entrepreneur hut on and really enjoyed probably initially 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.800 not even the coaching part of it, but just that 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.320 business side of it and the setup and just learning, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.720 you know, what it takes to set up a business. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.720 And obviously being an athlete. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.360 You really goal orientated and you set yourself a challenge 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.360 and off you go. And you know, it was my 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.400 little thing to see if I could get a business 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.400 off the ground without having any idea. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.280 What I was doing and when all right? 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.959 And for those people who might be looking at launching 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.320 a business, that's obviously sof and I we face that 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.200 reality of setting up a business, and I think it 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.360 can be quite daunting at first. But what would be 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.040 your tips, I suppose for anyone that's young out there, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.920 like you know, how difficult actually is it or how 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.560 difficult was it to set your business up? 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:29.520 Yeah? 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.480 Look, I think doing something that you know is important. 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.960 So for me, obviously I knew how to coach and 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.080 I knew netball, so I didn't have to learn a 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.400 new trade or you know, I had that. I knew 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.640 if I'd got the structures of a business down part, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.600 I could deliver the service. So that was important for me. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.199 I just had to learn that one thing, the business side. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.240 And I guess the biggest thing is just doing it. Yeah, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.240 because you can just talk about things and oh, I've 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.079 got this idea, and trust me, I've got a million 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:01.040 ideas and the ones you actually I do and put 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.480 the time into are the ones that are successful. And 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.000 I guess I just started really small. I you know, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.480 organized to have a meeting with someone who could make 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.240 me a website, and I got a website up and running, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.760 and then decided I was going to put on the 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.040 website and you know, told a few friends, and I guess, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.080 you know, what helped me in Adelaide as well was 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.480 just having those connections and being able to ask people 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.440 to help promote. And then, you know, I remember my 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.440 first clinic that I did. It was out at Salisbury 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:34.440 and Parafoot Gardens Rec Center was great and got about 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.400 probably twenty thirty kids and I was. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:40.240 Just so happy the whole day. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.400 I was like, oh my gosh, I cannot believe that 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.040 thirty kids like actually just wanted to come and hang 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.720 out with me and get coached by me for a day, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.040 Like no one's forcing them to be here, They're actually 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.160 paid to be here, like business almeriding. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.160 I got home and I remember. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.200 Lying on the lounge being like, Oh, all right, done, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.960 that's it. Like it was like box, Like I proved 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.520 to myself that I could, you know, go from scratch, 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.200 and I know, like netble clinics, it seems simple people 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:09.680 rock up, you play, nepple, you leave. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.960 But all the back end of it was probably more 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:12.880 of what I was proud of. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.560 Like I'd set up a website, I've got a business 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.280 bank account, I'd got a like company like ABN number 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.720 and all this stuff, and I've got an accountant. And yeah, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.680 people trusted me with their money and with their kids, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.280 which is the most precious possession. They trusted me to 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.040 look after their kids for a day and teach them something. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.000 So and it's huge. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.160 I mean Aeron Beel network clinics are huge. You've got 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.560 all your merch It's like not just a small you know, 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.000 it's not thirty kids going anymore. So when I've been 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.440 to a few clinics to do some filming and it's chaos, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:44.640 and it's in. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.920 Controlled, controlled chaos, but it is it's great. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.320 And you have all your dietitians and that kind of thing, 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.600 and it's a huge business in Adelaide. So you should 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.880 be really proud of all your efforts because you really 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.160 have grown it into a thing. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:58.600 Thanks, you know. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.920 And it was challenge, I think while I was playing 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.600 and being able to balance the two and you know, 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.160 you'd be at a clinic all day, like, and I'm 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.960 talking like we would run a clinic from nine till four, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.160 and I had to get there at eight to obviously 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.440 set up because I was the setup lady as well, 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.480 and I was the registration lady, and I was the 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.240 merch lady. Then I was the coach, then I was 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.840 the thunderbird, like trying to do my autographs and my signatures, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.760 and then I was the clean up lady and the 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.600 pack up lady and getting it all back in the 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.960 car and then having to go to training. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.560 And it's exhausting enough just hanging. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.960 Out with kids for a few hours, but when you 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.440 have to engage them for that long, and especially in 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.560 Adelaide in the middle of summer, it might be thirty 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.320 five degrees. You've got six year olds dropping like flies everywhere, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.800 and it's like it's yeah, it's tough. And then having 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.720 to go yourself and have that energy to train and 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.920 not just at your local netball club, like train for 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.320 the Thunderbirds and be expected at that high intensity that 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.280 that's expected every training. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.240 So I did get quite drained, I think from it. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:09.320 You know, it's hard. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.960 It's like anyone who's running a business on the side 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.240 and also working a job or whether they're running a 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.360 business and they've got a family and they've got kids, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.200 Like it's it's tough, and you can't switch off from 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.400 it either, yeah, because it's your responsibility. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.000 Like if you don't do the books, then doesn't get done. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.680 And it's so exhaustive. Even when soph and I came 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.680 down that I was so exhausted after those days, like how. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:30.239 Did I do it? 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.359 And I wasn't even engaging with kids. I was like, 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.119 oh my god, oh I know, And then yeah, you 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:36.439 just find something. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.280 I don't know it. It's been good. I feel like 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.920 I'm very prepared to have my own family now, like yeah, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.280 I feel like I don't know. You just yeah, you 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:44.600 just don't expect to feel. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.680 Fresh And that was probably the reality for me in 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.240 the last few years of my network career, just you're 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:50.720 not going to feel fresh air and just get on 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.119 with it, get on caught, get through it, like you 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.960 just learned to find another tank somewhere. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.920 And there is currently a big push for young women 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.560 to continue playings. What do you think it is it 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.480 stops women in some circumstances like. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:05.399 Women or girls. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.159 Well, there's like a big push. I think Ashbard is 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.640 the face of it. And they're saying, I think it's 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.240 around fourteen that girls are dropping out of sport, and 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.719 I suppose one of the things is I don't know, 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.000