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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Amy

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Speaker 2: and today we are so excited to be joined by

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us and Outspoken, thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me. Welcome back to Adelaide. Thank you love

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you just have to suck these things up for

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Speaker 3: Look, I think doing something that you know is important.

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Speaker 1: Like no one's forcing them to be here, They're actually

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Speaker 2: And you have all your dietitians and that kind of thing,

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Speaker 3: So I did get quite drained, I think from it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know it. It's been good. I feel like

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Speaker 1: You think the main I mean, I think everyone's different,

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Speaker 1: Just play local D grade, but play, just enjoy it,

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Speaker 2: huge tennis fan, and I feel like the Tennis or

442
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 2: the WTA does a really good job almost of glamorizing

443
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 2: tennis because there's those tennis players like Maria Sharapov and

444
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: back in the day Anna Ivanovitch and I feel like they,

445
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, young girls would look up to them and

446
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 2: be like, oh, they're cool. I want to be like them,

447
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 2: And I suppose it's a bit it's the same with netball.

448
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 2: I feel like netball does have that glamorous side, but

449
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 2: then you look at how their afl W is being

450
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: promoted and it's almost you know, they're promoted as strong women.

451
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 2: Do you think that the netball should look at I suppose,

452
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: framing the players in the same way, or do you

453
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: think it's better to glamorize sport?

454
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I love that you think that networl's glamorous.

455
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 1: I never felt glamorous the whole time I was playing.

456
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: Maybe more glamorous than afl W.

457
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

458
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's oh yeah.

459
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 1: I think I think neb All Australia and all the

460
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: clubs probably need to look at how they promote the

461
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 1: sport just to keep up with AFLW. In general, I

462
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: think that there's obviously a lot more probably resources that

463
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 1: the AFL can access in terms of promoting the game.

464
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: They're in schools everywhere, like all the girls are getting

465
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: to have a kick and see if they like it

466
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: and go on to possibly playing clubs. And I think

467
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,479
Speaker 1: a lot of the junior netball clubs have felt that

468
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 1: with their registration numbers and girls deciding to go to footy.

469
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 1: And that's, you know, great as long as they're playing something.

470
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 3: That's my view.

471
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, so look, the players are really strong now,

472
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: like back when I was younger, and you know, even

473
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 1: my first few years at the Thunderbirds, we used to

474
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: run and run and run like k's k's. Our skin

475
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: folds were down because we were, you know, we were

476
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: just running. And then throughout my eight years at the Thunderbirds,

477
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: our preseason completely flipped.

478
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 3: Like it's in the.

479
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: Gym, like you're focusing on your strength, you're doing short sprints,

480
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: you're not running k's anymore. So if you look out

481
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: on court now, all the players are so much stronger.

482
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: The game is far because of it, and the hits

483
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: are bigger.

484
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: And I think they have tried to promote that, like

485
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: it's not that girly girly like, oh.

486
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: Contact, don't touch me, stand beside.

487
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get away from that. They're

488
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: trying to let a lot go in the game to

489
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: say like we are equally as tough as the footy players,

490
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: Like you know, Netble's not that girly sports still come

491
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: play with us. But yeah, look, I think the reality

492
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: is that football, like the women's league is going quite

493
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: well and the girls yeah see it as appealing and

494
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: networle have to counteract that and respond From.

495
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: A media perspective, something that annoys me is the fact that,

496
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: you know, as progressive as we like to put forward

497
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: we are, I still feel like women's sport isn't getting

498
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: the coverage it deserves, and especially with the afl W

499
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: competition at the moment, I feel like journalists are making

500
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: a choice between netball and AFLW and are feeling the

501
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: pressure to choose the women's football over netball. Is that

502
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: something that frustrated you when you were playing that coverage

503
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 2: was kind of given to a sport where perhaps the

504
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: players aren't yet at an elite level like the netballers are.

505
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: Look, I always when the AFOW first started up, that

506
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: was all that was that conversational that's not fair, like

507
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: you girls have been doing it for so much longer,

508
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: and then they just come in and start a league

509
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: and they're getting paid.

510
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: More and all this, and I don't know.

511
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we still struggle to get the

512
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: numbers that we need.

513
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: We get great numbers for netball.

514
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: I think the Diamonds got fourteen fifteen thousand people at

515
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: a game and a lot of the time that's all

516
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: the stadium can hold.

517
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: And that's paid as well, not fair, that's paid.

518
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: So it is great.

519
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: But then you look at AFL weekly game for the

520
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: boys and they get fifty thousand plus and that's why

521
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: they have the money to match it.

522
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

523
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: I was always kind of like, we just need to

524
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: somehow get our sport in front of more people's eyes,

525
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: and we need to have that the viewers, whether it's

526
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: better ratings on TV or whether it is just selling

527
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: out every single game. I think, you know, yes, we

528
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: have been in it a lot longer than the girls,

529
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: the footy girls. But yeah, our increments in our crowds,

530
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: they've been slowly, slowly building, slowly building, slowly building, and

531
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I guess the pay has gone up for players, slowly building.

532
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: In terms of media, you know, it has improved. I

533
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: think we can't forget that we used to be on ABC.

534
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: You know, one game televised a week and now on

535
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: Channel nine and every game is televised in the SSN.

536
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: Plus there's the Netball Live.

537
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: App, so you can watch every game. It's definitely so

538
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: much better than it used to be. But yeah, the

539
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: reality is if there's a small news story about a

540
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: footballer who's rolled.

541
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: An ankle, like there goes to netball story.

542
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: So it's it's still that reality, and I think it's

543
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: just going to take more time than getting in front

544
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: of more people's eyes.

545
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: Would you ever have been persuaded to join the AFLW.

546
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: Well, when I retired from Collingwood last year, there was

547
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: obviously like they have the AFO W team right in there.

548
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: And one of the other girls that retired went on

549
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: to play, and so that was Shiny Lay and she's

550
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: obviously playing ash brows in there already played and Shay

551
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: Brown and myself retired as well, and I found out

552
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: later that Shay actually got asked if she wanted.

553
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: To play, and I was like, where's my invitation?

554
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: I was like the only one that didn't actually get

555
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: asked if I wanted to play? And I was like

556
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: thank god, because literally I'm one of those one sport.

557
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: People like, no.

558
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: Way, I'm gonna barely kick a football. Now, I might

559
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: have to film that for now Instagram, because there's a

560
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: football round. We'll have to get you to have kid.

561
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: Don't forget I'm a goaler as well.

562
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't like the idea of people

563
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: like contacting and touching me, like just no tackle. I'd

564
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: play touch footy, but yeah, look, I don't know. I'd

565
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: think it's safe if I stay away from the footy field.

566
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: And obviously you just touched on your retirement. How difficult

567
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: was it for you to make the decision to leave

568
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: the game.

569
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hard, And I think like in terms

570
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: of my playing and the whole commitment of the sport,

571
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: I knew that I probably had enough, and I wasn't

572
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: playing as well as I used to be, and it

573
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: was just requiring a whole another level of effort to

574
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: get to where I wanted to be. And like that

575
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: might be because I was getting older, or because the

576
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: competition was just getting harder, and maybe I was past

577
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: my peak. I don't know all these things. And I

578
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: think you know a lot of mental baggage, you know,

579
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: making teams, not making teams. My last few years at

580
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: the Thunderbirds, I was captain and we were quite unsuccessful.

581
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: We went through three coaches.

582
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: Like, it was a tough couple of years, and I

583
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: think I really felt that and probably carried that a

584
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: lot more than I realized. So to let go of

585
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: all that was probably an easy decision in terms of retiring.

586
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, the game itself and the girls and my friends,

587
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: and I guess that sense of identity of who you

588
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: think you are and what you've done for the last

589
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: fifteen years.

590
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: For that to be gone was a huge like whoa

591
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: am I ready for this?

592
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, And like probably struggled a little bit for

593
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: the first six months without Like I was always like,

594
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: I'll be fine, Like I've always had a job, I've

595
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: always got my business, I've got other things going on

596
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: outside of sport. I've never been defined by netball. I'll

597
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: be fine in retirement. But those first six months I

598
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, oh, but where's my annual training

599
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: calendar and where's my next meeting? And what do you

600
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: mean I can't see the physio for free anymore, Like

601
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: I've got to saw back.

602
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: Like I was just so many little.

603
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: Things like I remember, like what do you mean, I

604
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: have to pay for a gym membership. It's just always

605
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: been part of my mental health, I think, was being

606
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, being fit, and then not having a contract,

607
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: not having a job, having to find a job, having

608
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: to pay for all these things.

609
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you're just kind of like whoa, whoa,

610
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: whoa slow down? Like so it was hard.

611
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear that a lot though, because I remember

612
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: there was a four Corners this amazing story about how

613
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: the mental health of athletes does change because you're so

614
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: used to people organizing your life where somewhat as well,

615
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: and obviously the admiration from the crowd and all of

616
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and then suddenly for to end

617
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: it is a big thing. Have you found that with

618
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: the other netballers that you're friends with who retire.

619
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

620
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: And whether or not people admit it like is another

621
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: Some are very public about it, some aren't.

622
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: And you know, I was.

623
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: Even listening to a podcast about Libytricket the other day

624
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: and how she struggled with retirement, and it's kind of

625
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: nice to hear that everyone goes through it, but it's

626
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: sad that there's not enough support around that space at

627
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: the same time, because we do know that it's that

628
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: people struggle, and netball are probably trying, but they're just

629
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: not equipped yet to deal with that. They're trying to

630
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: grow the sport, they're trying to they're focusing on that.

631
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: They're not focusing on the end game and when players

632
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: are exiting, and I think they do need to improve

633
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: that because, as I said cutthroat, they need to think

634
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: about these players, whether it's injury, retirement, that mental health

635
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: is so important and yeah, I don't know, it's everyone's different,

636
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: as I said, but I think having that balance and

637
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: being able to have a job or have something else

638
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: that you're doing helps. But I had that, and I

639
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: still felt a massive void, and I ended up going

640
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: back and playing in the stately competition because I was like,

641
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: I just got to play. I want to do something

642
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, and it was the best thing I

643
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: did to be able to play netball and still enjoy

644
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: playing the game, but without the pressure of SSN, like

645
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: it kind of just released this oh you know what,

646
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: like I'm actually okay at netball, Like it's just all

647
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: the other stuff I was done with and I'm okay

648
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: to not have to like I'll make that sacrifice of

649
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: being able to play and not have to do all

650
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: the other stuff for my well being.

651
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you about that, because did you

652
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: feel like you almost fell out of love a bit

653
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: with netball when you're at Collingwood with all the pressure,

654
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: and you know, the previous seasons of the Thunderbirds were disappointing.

655
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that helped you fall back in

656
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: love with netball playing in the lower divisions.

657
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh definitely.

658
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: And I'd never expected it, and I think it wasn't

659
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: like my last year at Collingwood. It was building, Like

660
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, when I first moved to Adelaide. My very

661
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: first year we won the premiership. My second year i

662
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: was in the Diamonds. My third year we won a premiership. Again,

663
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: Like I had a lot of highs early on, and

664
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: then the last few years were just tough and we

665
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: were down the bottom of the ladder. And I think

666
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: it was just kind of that build and me trying

667
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: to push push through it. So I was like, yeah,

668
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: I did. I thought I was just done with netball.

669
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: And when the coach because I moved to the like

670
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: up the suburbs in Melbourne and the coach was like, oh, do.

671
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 3: You want to play? And I was like, no, why

672
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: are talking to me? Please leave me alone.

673
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: I can't even have a conversation with you, like I

674
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: hate netball that much, and she was awesome then just

675
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: said no.

676
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: Worries see oh, like you know, don't worry about it,

677
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: and then kind.

678
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: Of used a bit of reverse psychology on me.

679
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: And I guess as an athlete, you're so used to

680
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: being told that you got to be here preseason starts

681
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: November one, you're like, mate, I just finished.

682
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: Like.

683
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: So she was like, don'torry, I'll see you next year.

684
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: I'll see you in March. And I was like, oh, oh,

685
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: what do you mean I'll see you in March?

686
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: Like I'll come then. And so she kind of like

687
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: rang me two weeks before the season started and said

688
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: you're feeling any better, like do you want to come

689
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: and have a run, Like, don't worry, just play a quarter,

690
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: just not even a quarter, just don't worry. We'll take

691
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: you off if you don't want to play. And I

692
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: ended up playing a full game and being.

693
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: Like, oh, that was really fun. I was one thing.

694
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: I said to us, I'm not playing in goals and

695
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: I think that was a You know, obviously as a

696
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: goalie you get the glory, but there's a lot of

697
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: extra pressure and you know you miss and the whole

698
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: game is your fault blah blah blah. And I just

699
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: did not want that pressure at all. So I said

700
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: to her, old, play if I can play wing attack

701
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: and just being able to not have that pressure and

702
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: not have people think that I was an Australian Diamond

703
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: and I should be shooting one hundred percent and being

704
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: the best, just to kind of go, you know what,

705
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm playing wing attack. This is not what I'm meant

706
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: to be good at. It really helped, and yeah, I'm

707
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: going to try and play again this season, but we'll see.

708
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: The knees are getting a bit sore. But maybe I'll

709
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: try center or something like this year. But I think, yeah,

710
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: just to take that pressure off, it was the best

711
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: thing that I could have done. And for me to

712
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: now still be passionate about the game and still want

713
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: to be involved as opposed to just shutting it all off.

714
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: So that's the key to get you to play in

715
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: our social netble team? Is it just to like as

716
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: long as I'm not engolved, yeah, but like, oh yeah,

717
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: don't worry I won't play. We're playing December first. Yeah, yeah,

718
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: just reverse psychology.

719
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: It works a lot like tell me, don't worry, you

720
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: don't have to come to training.

721
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: Don't worry. You know, we don't even want you there.

722
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: And I'll be there and we don't have training.

723
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: If you tell me.

724
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: I have to do something, I'll be like, no, I'm

725
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: not doing it. Then I'm just like a bit stubborn.

726
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: And how tough is the scrutiny though, because I know

727
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: generally everyone thinks that the crowd that comes along is

728
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: probably young girls and young women, But you get on

729
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: some of the message boards or on Facebook and some

730
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: of the comments can be quite awful from fans or

731
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: I found it.

732
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: I find it again harder than I thought. And I

733
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: don't think that I was prepared for it at all.

734
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: And I obviously my generation, feeling old, didn't grow up

735
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: with social media, so it kind of came out of

736
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: no halfway through my career. And probably the first time, yeah,

737
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: that scrutiny hit was in twenty fifteen when I made

738
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: the World Cup team, and the previous year I didn't

739
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: make the Commonwealth Games team, and I was probably playing

740
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: my best and you know, me, along with a lot

741
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: of other people, thought I should have made that team,

742
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: and I was getting so much support on social media,

743
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: and it just made me feel so great, and you know, oh, yes,

744
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: all these people think I should be. In the following year,

745
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I didn't play as well, but

746
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: for some reason.

747
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: I made the team.

748
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: And I remember getting a lot of negative criticism about

749
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: oh why she and Rah Rah and just not being

750
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: ready for it, just being blindsided because twelve months earlier

751
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: I had been getting so much positive feedback on social

752
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: and then yeah, for it to flip and be negative,

753
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, shut that phone down and probably yeah,

754
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: that bad experience just made me really wary of it

755
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: from then on. Then leading into obviously the Thunderbirds having

756
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: some very tough years and the Thunderbirds in Adelaide being

757
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: actually in the paper and on the news but getting

758
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: slammed and as the captain being.

759
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: Asked, why aren't you performing? Like what's wrong with you?

760
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, getting so much scrutiny, like your own

761
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: fans questioning the selection or the team or.

762
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: Your own performance, and You're just like, well, where does

763
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: this come from? Who are you people? I don't even

764
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 3: know you, Like I'm listening to my coach now I've got.

765
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: To like please all these fans and all these media

766
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: people as well. It just yeah, it's it's tough. Like

767
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if the next generation or the younger

768
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: athletes now are better off for it because they've kind

769
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: of used to it, be exposed to it and water

770
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: off a ducts back, or is it actually worse, like

771
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: is it getting worse? And all the bloody keyboard warriors

772
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: and people that sit there on their couches judging everything

773
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: that happens on court.

774
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's they say it to your face

775
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: with that.

776
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'd love to like approach some of the

777
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: people if I ever had that opportunity and being like

778
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: Joanna one on one, like do you want to go

779
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: have a shoot off or do you want to I

780
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: don't know, like do you want.

781
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: To put your money where your mouth is? Because you're very,

782
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: very rude behind a keyboard.

783
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: It's amazing how much they know you having probably never

784
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: played a game of netwik before.

785
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Oh and since I retired, like now I read all

786
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: the comments because it doesn't affect me at all, and

787
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, my god, I can't believe people

788
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: are saying these things, like do you realize that you know,

789
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: these athletes are real people. They put so much time

790
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: and effort into their training. They are trying their absolute

791
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: best out on court. Nobody goes out there to play

792
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: badly or to miss a goal or to throw a

793
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: pass badly, So stop bagging them, like they're just doing

794
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: the absolute best they can.

795
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: So people are so mean though, Like everyone criticizes anything

796
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: you do. Anyone criticis they're probably having a bigger effect

797
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: on their team they're supposed to be supporting, because that's

798
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: rebably getting in people's head and making them perform worse.

799
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: Like I can imagine if you're getting slammed, you're then

800
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: reflecting on your own performance too much.

801
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think a lot of clubs do talk

802
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: about it, like what's our social media strategy? Like some

803
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: teams say, like, so no social media on game day.

804
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: So but then that I've seen that going out the

805
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: window a little bit because everyone expects social media to

806
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: be so instant, and you know, you have to post

807
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: every day to get engagement, and everyone cares so much

808
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: about their obviously social media following these days that girls

809
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: are posting on game day and as I said.

810
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: Some are phase by, some aren't.

811
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, we just kind of said, oh, I just

812
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: advise people just don't read them.

813
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know.

814
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: People are drawn to their phones and they just want

815
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: to read them, and it's like, well, I don't know,

816
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: you kind of open yourself up if you choose to

817
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: read them. All you can control is literally put your

818
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: phone down because people are going to say what they're

819
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: going to say.

820
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: It's up to you whether you read it or not.

821
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: Well, back to life after netful. Can you tell us

822
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: a little bit about what you are doing because you've

823
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: started studying a new degree? Is that right? Yeah?

824
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: I started my teaching degree my last year. I was

825
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: playing because I knew I was probably coming to an end,

826
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: and I have a sports science degree, but I yeah,

827
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't really passionate to get into that field.

828
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: I think I just wanted to get out of the

829
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: sport realm.

830
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I've been in there enough, and so yeah, I started

831
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: my teaching degree. I think after doing all my clinics

832
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of coaching in schools, I thought that

833
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: teaching would.

834
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: Be fun and then moved to Melbourne and got a job. Now.

835
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm working at a school in their sports academy, so

836
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: it's a nice little matchup.

837
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: And when I graduate, I can hopefully, yeah, get a

838
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: job teaching.

839
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: That's so cool.

840
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: I was gonna saying, you and you've got other exciting things.

841
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: You're engaged, congratulations.

842
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: Thank you.

843
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a full time job. Organized your wedding as well,

844
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: oh gosh. And we were like, nah, it's gonna be

845
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: a small wedding, like just not even a big deal,

846
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: like you know, barely spending any money. And I'm just like,

847
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's happened.

848
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: Our plan has blown out. This is just going to

849
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: be ridiculous.

850
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: But hopefully it'll be fun and hopefully it won't be

851
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: raining and all those because you're beautiful dog Harry going

852
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: to be in the wedding at all. Oh well, I've

853
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: been talking to Trap about it.

854
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: He's a bit worried. He's just kind of like, oh,

855
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what are we going to do with

856
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: him after?

857
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like, don't worry, like we'll sort it out.

858
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I would love to. I just want

859
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: to photo. I just want us all dressed up in

860
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 3: him to have.

861
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: His little bow tie on and yeah he might run

862
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: a mark though we're getting married at a farm, so

863
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: he might. I don't know, go and I don't know,

864
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: eat something. He's not killed two. Yeah he eats anything,

865
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: so but I.

866
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: Would love him to if we can. I hope so do.

867
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 2: I spuy a sausage dog on your Instagram account? Whose

868
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: sausage dog is that?

869
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: That's tribes, families, tribes, mums. But oh, I don't know.

870
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: I love it by stealing all the time, and him

871
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: and Harry are just so cute together, and I don't know,

872
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: dogs have always been a bit of my release, my outlet.

873
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: I just love, you know, I don't know, taking the

874
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: dogs for a walk and hanging with them, it was

875
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: always something just took me away from netball and all

876
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: the stress.

877
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: So if I can have two, that's always better than one.

878
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: Now, just to finish up, Errand because a lot of

879
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: the time our podcast does talk about pop culture, reality

880
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: TV influences, all that stuff. You've already told us that

881
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: you're not really into the influencer last no, gosh.

882
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean I do watch a bit of reality TV,

883
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, if it's about if this.

884
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: Is the topic, I'm going to be absolutely shocking. No,

885
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: that's right, it's just some random questions. We're just gonna

886
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: quiz you, and we're going to throw in some questions

887
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: that maybe people well, we might find out stuff that

888
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: we never knew about your There's not too many questions.

889
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: I haven't been on reality TV show. No, don't worry

890
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: about that. I know what was there?

891
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: Was? Like that? Wasn't there that thunderbake yet, wasn't it?

892
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

893
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: That?

894
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that was actually hilarious.

895
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: That was actually I was pretty good on that. You

896
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: did star in a rap video for video too, let's

897
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: not publicly talk about that. Look, I was in it

898
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: in some form as well. I was tory, So oh.

899
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: I shouldn't We all should have won a Bloody Award

900
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: for that performance.

901
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: Okay, So what reality show would you go on if

902
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: you had to pick one? Oh?

903
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: Well I might go on Survivor.

904
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I didn't watch Survivor this year,

905
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I don't think I could do

906
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: like the other ones, like they're all love related.

907
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what if if you weren't engaged and they said, Aaron,

908
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: we want you to be our new bachelorette, would you

909
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: go on it.

910
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I could just couldn't do it, no life, Nah, nah,

911
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: nap couldn't do it.

912
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: What else?

913
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: What other reality TV shows are there?

914
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 2: I reckon you'd be good on The Amazing Race.

915
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, actually I was saying that the other day. Yes,

916
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: I would love to do that. Yeah that's a good one. Yeah,

917
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: well one of those adventure type ones, not one of

918
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: the lovey dovey ones like nah, I just no way.

919
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: I couldn't do that.

920
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: Are you watching The Bachelor this year or sorry, the

921
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: Bachelorette with Angie?

922
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

923
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: Do you like it?

924
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think she's good, she's real. The boys

925
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: are funny. I don't know. I just think it's Oh.

926
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: The other one i'd go on is the Block.

927
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could see you on that.

928
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends who though I'd need to.

929
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't go on with Trav he would just heat

930
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: the sleep deprivation would get him. But i'd have to if

931
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: I could go on with someone. Yeah, but yeah again

932
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: by practical reality to you and.

933
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: That Romberto, how do you think you and Nat would go? Yeah?

934
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: Yea, I would kill it. Yeah.

935
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Actually they had netballers on the Block.

936
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did really well.

937
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, if total nine are listening. Okay, So Christmas decorations.

938
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: When is it too early to decorate?

939
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh? Look, I'm happy December one? Okay, yeah, look, probably

940
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: November is a tight early. But in saying that, like,

941
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm not against it. I love a Christmas movie, so

942
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: I'd happily watch Christmas movies in November.

943
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 2: What's your favorite Christmas movie? Oh?

944
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: Probably Love Actually, Oh yeah, I know.

945
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: Or actually Miracle on forty second straight thirty forty first straight.

946
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: It's like a real old one.

947
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's got like the cutest Santa and yeah,

948
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: I will used to watch that as a kid.

949
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you weren't a netballer and you had

950
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: to choose another sport to be professional at, what would

951
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: you choose?

952
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh?

953
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: I always liked the idea of beach volleyball, but I

954
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: don't didn't like but old have to wear to be

955
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: a beach vollibol person. But yeah, ah yeah, beach volleyball

956
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: always they look cool, like relaxed beach lifestyle.

957
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, what's and sorry, what is one thing that

958
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: would surprise people to find out about you? Oh? No,

959
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: that's a hard one. But is there something that you

960
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: that you like that people wouldn't think you like or

961
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: something that you do off the netball court. That's interesting.

962
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: Well, I kind of spoke about dancing, but I used

963
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: to tell people like that was surprised that I was

964
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: a tap.

965
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: Dancer is surprising. Yeah, I did tap dancing for ten years.

966
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

967
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I really liked that.

968
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: Does that help with your footwork on the court. I

969
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: don't think so.

970
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: And it helps me remember things like I had to

971
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: remember the dance routines and all that. I think the

972
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: other interesting thing, it's not that interesting, but just being

973
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: a goal shoot my whole life, and that because I

974
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: wear contact lenses.

975
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: If I didn't have my contacts in, there's no way

976
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: I would even be able to play netball.

977
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: So that kind of surprises people. Bit as a goaler,

978
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: I can't even see the netble ring. But that's all

979
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: fixed up now. I had laser eye surgery.

980
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Oh yeah.

981
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

982
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: Lastly, this is a very pressing question, especially to Sophie

983
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: Thoughts on Taylor Swift's album Lover, Because you you weren't

984
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: a fan of nineteen eighty nine. I was shocked to discover.

985
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: I'm an old school tailor fan. I haven't even heard

986
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: the new album, like, I've kind of rebelled against her.

987
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry, I don't like her new stuff.

988
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm just back in love Storyland. I saw yeah first

989
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: album and she had her curly hair, and she was

990
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: all innocent because of your beautiful curly hair.

991
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: Is it? I was channeling my tailor in a Taylor swift.

992
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: But no, she's kind of lost me over the last

993
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: few years, unfortunately. I know.

994
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: Sorry, We'll just give it a listen for and just

995
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: to finish on you, you have an exciting project all

996
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: your works. Did you want to touch on that orts?

997
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: Well, look, this podcast is inspiring me to do my own.

998
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: But again, as I said earlier, I'm an ideas person.

999
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: The actual application we'll have to soon see. But no, yes,

1000
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: I would love to do a little project, something that

1001
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: can inspire the next generation of netballers. So yeah, I

1002
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: just think that netballers especially have such great.

1003
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: Stories to tell.

1004
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: And you know, like all athletes, everyone goes through their

1005
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: own individual journey and there definitely are a lot of

1006
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: ups and downs, and I think sometimes our next generation

1007
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: may be struggle a little bit with that resilience and

1008
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: realizing that, you know, it's the first setback, they think

1009
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: it's all over.

1010
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: So I'd really love to do something.

1011
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: That can showcase that, you know, a setback is just

1012
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: part of your journey, and that's what makes your journey unique,

1013
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: the way you get to the top and yeah, hopefully

1014
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: get a nice, strong, resilient bunch of netballers coming off

1015
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: in the future.

1016
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: Well, we can't wait to hear your podcast when it

1017
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: eventually comes out. Thank you so much for joining us.

1018
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: I've had such a good time chatting with you, so

1019
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: thank you. Thanks for having me