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Speaker 2: Oh, that's definitely going to help. It's going to make

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Speaker 1: It's going to increase the quality of my connection between

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Speaker 2: I need to do this.

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Speaker 1: And Instagram, TikTok and the other social platforms are some

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Speaker 2: Not helpful at all.

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Speaker 1: And today I'm the Happy Families podcast where you get

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Speaker 1: real parenting solutions every day because we're Australia's most downloaded

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Speaker 1: parenting podcast. Kylie and I are going to walk you

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Speaker 1: through our three what would you call it, the three

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Speaker 1: pieces of parenting advice that we're going to ignore forever

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Speaker 1: and teach our kids to ignore and hopefully help you

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Speaker 1: encourage you to ignore as well.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us. So, Kylie, I'm going to get you

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Speaker 1: Off with your first one and we're going to go

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Speaker 1: like you me, you me, you me, and let's share

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Speaker 1: the three things each that we think we should be

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Speaker 3: So my first one is the whole myth that controlled

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Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, that bad idea.

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Speaker 3: Fundamentally misunderstands how attachment works.

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Speaker 1: I've got to jump in really quickly. I spoke to

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to put that into a public service announcement.

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Speaker 3: Well, when we ignore our baby's primary form of communication,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we've been there and we've been through it,

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Speaker 1: and it's It's pretty brutal, isn't it like a really

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Speaker 1: But you know what they do. They prioritize adult control

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Speaker 3: Number two for me is responsiveness spoils your child? Just

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Speaker 2: So best pairing? What is the pairing that should be ignored?

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Speaker 1: podcast is produced by Justin.

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Speaker 2: Roland from Bridge Media.

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