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Speaker 1: Joining us over the phone is the Member for Solomon,

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Luke.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really well now, Luke keen to obviously talk about

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Speaker 1: the announcement yesterday, but I do want to ask, well,

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Speaker 1: the Territory government's been forced to deflect friendly fire. Is

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Speaker 1: what the NT news is reporting from you on a

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Speaker 1: warpath about delays building Darwin's shiplift.

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Speaker 2: Luke, it has taken a lot.

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Speaker 1: Longer than what I think anybody thought it would to

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Speaker 1: get this shiplift operational.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has, Katie, and I guess people will sometimes

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Speaker 3: you look to covids. Remember the announcement was around twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Well tw fifteen, I thought.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Bill shortened to sort of kick them the

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Speaker 3: ball rolling with an actual commitment which was three hundred million,

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Speaker 4: Was there to do the job properly.

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Speaker 3: It had been talked about for a while, if you remember,

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Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen the CLP sold the port, so there

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Speaker 3: Of course, we got the common user facility out there,

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Speaker 3: that's been built. But Bill Shorten, when he was the

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Speaker 3: guess in earnest. So it hasn't been as long as

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Speaker 3: as some people may remember in terms of becoming a reality,

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Speaker 3: but it hasn't moved as quickly as as well. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not blaming anyone in particular. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 3: these sorts of arrangements when you've got a landowner, you've

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I guess you know, there's look, there's

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Speaker 1: But how fast do they need to actually now get

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, as I said when we announced the

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Speaker 4: Our naval vessels. You know, every.

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Speaker 3: Every time there is delay, and obviously it was an

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Speaker 3: Now I can't think any reason why it's not full

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Speaker 1: So look, Cans is going to have, you know, a

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, because we launched and the contract's

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Speaker 1: Now, look, as you touched on there, that Queensland based company,

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Speaker 2: How many jobs.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to see as a result of this

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Speaker 3: The direct jobs we're looking at about thirty seven, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, before I get to that, I just want

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Speaker 3: All we've done is anoun one hundred and ten additional

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Speaker 1: Now, I reckon they're going to be able to apply,

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Speaker 1: Like when will prospective students be able to apply for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad we've got a chance to talk to this, Katie,

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately Flinders and CDU couldn't come to an agreement.

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Speaker 3: Now is for us to get and I'm confident we

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Speaker 1: That is it correct that initial bid, like this initial

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Speaker 3: good ones have gone through flenders and stayed, but nowhere

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Speaker 2: And what is that what's happened here?

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Speaker 1: I mean is that the situation here is is it

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just a general comment, and I use

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Speaker 3: really made it. Whereas in fact, the most challenging and

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Speaker 3: saying that, that's proven.

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Speaker 4: By a lot of research.

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Speaker 3: And for that to be valued and for the federal

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Speaker 3: we have provided the funding to get the accreditation so

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Speaker 3: that we remove another barrier that some might put in

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Speaker 2: Luke, we are going to have to wrap up. But

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Speaker 1: The Federal opposition is calling on to senior labor ministers

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Speaker 2: Should they look, Katie?

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Speaker 3: What I want and at halfs back to a conversation

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Speaker 3: But what I will say is that Claire O'Neill has

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Speaker 3: So if you're had something offer as an opposition as

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Speaker 4: It's shocking.

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Speaker 1: What's yeah, it is And like I think it's all

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Speaker 1: fine and good to say, you know, after the fact

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Speaker 1: people will be questioning whether these two ministers should actually

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Speaker 3: And in fact, Katie, that's why I'm returning to Canberra

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Speaker 3: in a few short hours, because parliament's been recalled, not

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Speaker 3: motions tomorrow and then to deal with this very important

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Speaker 3: we've got to do everything we can to clean things up.

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Speaker 3: I've been impressed I've did a while back Katie that

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Speaker 3: that's focused on solutions, and I'll be doing everything i

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Speaker 1: Luke, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time as always, Thanks very much for speaking

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Speaker 1: with us today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That is Labour's member for Solomon there, Luke Goslink