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Speaker 1: Well, it's been a massive week in politics, there is

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Speaker 2: On at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So joining me in the studio is the Opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Leah fanochi ara O.

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Speaker 2: Goodboarding to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Cadian to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, it has been described as what's required right

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Speaker 1: now as a radical shift in operations. That's the only

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Speaker 1: option for the Northern Territory Police going forward. That is

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Speaker 1: what a senior police officers revealed in light of the

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Speaker 1: revelations at this inquest into domestic violence in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: The Acting Deputy Commissioner, Michael White has supported the introduction

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Speaker 1: this is I mean, we know that the inquest continues.

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Speaker 1: We are seeing and hearing some terror a terrible things

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Speaker 1: need to make some real change in this space. Leah,

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Speaker 1: Deputy Commissioner Michael White has made.

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Speaker 4: Look, I've got no doubt that there are ways in

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Speaker 4: how they can better provide support. That's no criticism of

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Speaker 4: I think the inquest is clearly shedding some light on that,

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Speaker 4: and we've got those comments from the Acting Commissioner. But

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Speaker 4: the big piece missing is actually why is domestic violence increasing?

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Speaker 4: Since labor have been in power, domestic violence has gone

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Speaker 3: That's in the last seven years. Katie.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a result of alcohol fuel violence and

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Speaker 4: And so whilst we can have better laws, we can

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Speaker 1: Leah. We know that the Northern Territory government did last

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a lot of mystery around domestic

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Speaker 2: Do you not buy that.

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Speaker 1: Where are you going to change portfolios around with your

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Speaker 4: We just have mirrored the shadow portfolio names to match

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Speaker 1: What about this separation though, of police and fireries. Do

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Speaker 4: So it's a separation in name only at this point, Katie,

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Speaker 3: And ultimately we're very keen to look at the detail.

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Speaker 3: Once again, just.

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Speaker 4: it absolutely has to be. Our priority is not four

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Speaker 1: What about things like the museum in Central Australia. I

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Speaker 4: The art gallery in Alice Springs has been a project

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Speaker 4: of significance for far too long. It should be built

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Speaker 4: in the CBD. But again it comes down to the

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Speaker 4: ultimately what we want to see in Alas Springs is

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Speaker 4: That means they spend more money in our local communities,

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Speaker 4: create activation in our streets and that's what we want

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Speaker 4: for a vibrance Central Australia.

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Speaker 3: So we're committed to that project.

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Speaker 4: And again these things are expensive, but it's about prioritizing

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Speaker 4: what's most important first. And of course people in our

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Speaker 4: regions right across the territory feel totally abandoned by labor LEA.

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Speaker 1: Let's look a little closer at that four quarters report

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Speaker 1: that happened earlier in the week.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and there's been very interesting commentary coming out

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 4: I think ultimately, when you stand back and look at it,

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Speaker 4: this is symptomatic of failure under Labor.

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Speaker 3: We know that crime is out of control.

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Speaker 4: They've been unable to support and resource our police, and

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Speaker 4: so the advent of this security force that we haven't

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Speaker 4: to deal with the big issues. Now would I keep

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Speaker 4: them on the straights? They have an important role to play.

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Speaker 4: We could not just remove them. But that's symptomatic of

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Speaker 4: the problems, and so our focus is on restoring community

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Speaker 4: where we can give police greater power, resource them properly,

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Speaker 4: drive down crime and therefore drive down the need for

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Speaker 1: Leah, the Chief Minister, reckons it's only costing two million

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Speaker 1: dollars out of a community safety budget of a billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that figure is accurate.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that figure could possibly be accurate, Katie.

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Speaker 4: We know, just stretching my memory, I thought it was

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Speaker 4: about a million dollars just for the security services being.

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Speaker 3: Delivered out in Karama and Malac, but.

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Speaker 4: I'd have to check that. But that's just stretching my memory.

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Speaker 4: And yet we've got security in Alice Springs, We've got

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Speaker 3: So it's an important frontline service.

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Speaker 4: We know our police are needing extra eyes and ears

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Speaker 1: Just to confirm you are committing that you would not

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Speaker 1: remove those security from the straits if I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're elected, because a lot of businesses actually see this

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Speaker 3: Absolutely no.

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Speaker 4: And like I said that, the advent of this service,

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Speaker 4: on continuing to resource the problem.

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Speaker 3: We want to solve it.

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Speaker 4: So by driving down crime and supporting our police, these

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Speaker 4: things will naturally adjust and that's what we want. We

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Speaker 4: want less crime, which means less need for these types

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Speaker 1: We are the ABC reporting the Northern Territory government sees

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Speaker 1: that it's persevering with plans to arm private security guards

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Speaker 1: Association that it's fraught with danger. So as we know

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Speaker 1: four Corners, as we've just discussed, you know that footage

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Speaker 1: said that they're still planning to move ahead with their

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Speaker 1: commitment to legislate to allow private security guards to carry

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Speaker 4: Should they Yeah, I don't know about this one, Katie.

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Speaker 4: We know that government announced it would allow transit security

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Speaker 4: controllers and we know right now, I mean, let's not

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Speaker 4: death of Deckl and Lavity and so yet to this day,

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Speaker 4: crowd controllers still don't have the opportunity to use capsicum

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Speaker 4: of make it sound like it's going to be any

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Speaker 4: in all security guards certainly raises an eyebrow. That sounds

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Speaker 4: like a new announcement to me, Katie, And we're certainly

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Speaker 4: tracking that back and looking into it. But again, this

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Speaker 4: back in March, let alone tacking on ever expanding commitments

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Speaker 4: going forward.

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Speaker 1: Now before I let you go very quick one, the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister is coming to town tomorrow. What are you

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Speaker 1: hoping to see or hear from the PM when he's here.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think he's coming to town to once again

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Speaker 4: tell Natasha Files how to do her job.

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Speaker 3: That seems to.

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Speaker 2: Me, Wow, what do you think he's going to do?

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think clearly a crime is out of control.

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Speaker 4: Clearly, I'm sure they'll be having an interesting conversation about

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Speaker 4: the fallout from the voice. And we know that the

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Speaker 4: Prime Minister comes to town when Natasha Files fails, just

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Speaker 4: like with the ending of stronger futures, so it'll probably

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Speaker 4: be a fleeting visit Katie where he tells labor to

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Speaker 4: pull their head in because it's making him look bad

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Speaker 4: and ultimately territories won't be any the better off for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll wait and see, I suppose. I don't know

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Speaker 2: whether there will be any announcement or.

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Speaker 1: Not, but no doubt we We'll hopefully hear from the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister while he's here. Lea Fanoccuiaro, the opposition leader,

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Speaker 1: always good to speak to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks Katie, Take care everyone,