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Speaker 1: Joining us on the line right now is the Opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leah fanokiiro Good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your

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Speaker 2: listen it now, Lea.

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Speaker 1: We spoke extensively yesterday on the show about these speeding fines.

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Speaker 1: We know that thousands of being withdrawn because of an

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Speaker 1: error in the way that those speed detectors were calibrated.

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Speaker 1: This is what the Northern Territory Police Commissioner confirmed in

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Speaker 1: estimates earlier in the week. It is something that you

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Speaker 1: guys asked the Police Minister about in Parliament earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: But there's certainly still some questions which remain unanswered, Leah.

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Speaker 3: From your perspective, does.

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Speaker 1: It look as though those twelve thousand people who've already

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Speaker 1: paid those fines are going to be refunded.

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Speaker 2: No, so, of course there was a big bungle with

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Speaker 2: calibration and as a result, about twelve thousand people who

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Speaker 2: paid speeding fines won't be getting reimbursed by the Gunner government.

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Speaker 2: But about eighty two hundred from memory, Katie, are in

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Speaker 2: the process of being withdrawn I suppose, so there's two

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Speaker 2: hundred territories are going to end up lucky in twelve

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Speaker 2: thousand unlucky. But what's most staggering is that going into

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Speaker 2: budget estimates, I mean, this is a moment in time

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Speaker 2: for government ministers to actually be across their brief and

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Speaker 2: have the figures ready for the public to be able

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Speaker 2: to see, and they had to take or notice what

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Speaker 2: the actual total dollar figure of those finds that are

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Speaker 2: going to represent lost revenue to the territory government at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day. They don't even know. I

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Speaker 2: didn't have on them what that those eighty two hundred

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Speaker 2: fines amount to. So that's going to impact their bottom

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Speaker 2: line at the end of the day were it's well broken,

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Speaker 2: they don't know how much it will be.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know right now it's impacting the

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Speaker 1: hip pockets, or it has impacted the hip pockets of

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Speaker 1: thousands of Territorians who are pretty worried. But do you

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Speaker 1: know the main thing that people were contacting us yesterday

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Speaker 1: that they were concerned about is what this will mean

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Speaker 1: to their demerit points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a really good question, Katie, And there

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Speaker 2: was no discussion around that during the estimates process. But

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Speaker 2: it feels a lot like the government had just slowly

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Speaker 2: bobbing along on this issue. I mean, you think as

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Speaker 2: soon as that judgment came down we were very quick

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Speaker 2: to ask those questions in Parliament. That was a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. And to still be sort of fumbling through

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Speaker 2: how they deal with this issue really shows that they're

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Speaker 2: just not putting enough emphasis on it. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: really genuinely has practical implications for people, but certainly how

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Speaker 2: the police commissioner spoke about it, and I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: to verbal him, but he made a comment along the

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Speaker 2: lines of if you pay the fine, then you accept

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Speaker 2: responsibility or liability. So I imagine there probably won't be

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Speaker 2: a refund of demerit points for those twelve thousand territories,

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Speaker 2: but I imagine for the eight thousand whose fines are going

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Speaker 2: to be ripped up, you're off the hook.

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Speaker 3: Leah.

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Speaker 1: Again, we had somebody contact us yesterday who said this,

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Speaker 1: they were a few kilometers over the speed limit. They

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Speaker 1: paid that fine immediately, assuming that it was correc and

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Speaker 1: you know, wanting to make a means and I think

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Speaker 1: that in some cases that will be the situation for territories.

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Speaker 1: For some you know, if they've gone well and truly

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Speaker 1: over the speed limit, then you know you deserve a fine.

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Speaker 1: But for others, if you're talking about a very small

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Speaker 1: amount in terms of that speed and it's not correct,

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Speaker 1: it has a big impact and people are pretty upset.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I don't know how many of the

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Speaker 2: twelve thousand that that situation applies to. Of course, we

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Speaker 2: don't want anyone speeding on our roads. We know that

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Speaker 2: road trauma is way too high in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 2: so it's critically important. And those police who are out

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Speaker 2: there manning those speed camera vans, you know, everyone's out

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Speaker 2: there doing an excellent job. And at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, all of this is designed to keep everyone

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Speaker 2: But of course there has been a big error here

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Speaker 2: and has impacted them twenty thousand Territorians, which is an

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Speaker 2: and of course they've been drag kicking and screaming at

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Speaker 2: they came out with a plan and said this is

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Speaker 2: what we're going to do. Sorry to you mob, Well

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Speaker 2: done to you mob. They just haven't done anything, you know,

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Speaker 2: every single tiny dribble of information we get, we have

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Speaker 2: to claw out of them through an official parliamentary process.

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Speaker 2: The government really should have front footed this, decided what

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Speaker 2: they were going to do, made that known to everyone immediately,

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Speaker 2: But yes, so many questions are still festering on this world.

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Speaker 2: Government just won't run.

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Speaker 1: Up and one of you know, one of the questions

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Speaker 1: again that we keep asking, I'm not sure whether there

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Speaker 1: l but do we know exactly what locations or what

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Speaker 1: period of time this relates to.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not aware of that detail, Katie, but you know,

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Speaker 2: needless to say, twenty odd thousand fines is a yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, we have certainly we have asked whether

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Speaker 1: we can get some further information on this. We will

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Speaker 1: continue to ask those questions. We've put in a request

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Speaker 1: so many territorians asking questions. We understand that the Commissioner

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Speaker 1: we can get some information sooner rather than later. We'll

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Speaker 1: also see whether we can maybe get the Police Minister

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Speaker 1: on the show tomorrow, so we'll stick on to it now, Leah,

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about police numbers, some really

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Speaker 1: interesting information around police retention and you know those attrition rates.

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Speaker 1: Ninety five officers left the force in the space of

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Speaker 1: ninety five officers had left the force in the year

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Speaker 1: What do you make of these numbers? Is it a

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Speaker 2: No? I think this is an enormous concern. Ninety five

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Speaker 2: certainly tried to play police attrition down, but we know

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Speaker 2: it's something that's really having a big impact on morale

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Speaker 1: Of the force.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's always wonderful to attract new police in

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Speaker 2: it's also putting serious strain on our remote stations. Now

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Speaker 2: not a single police graduate has been posted to Darwin

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Speaker 2: the Gunner government are desperately pumping out hundreds of recruits

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Speaker 2: because ultimately they're playing catch up now. So we're very

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Speaker 2: horrific that there were one hundred and sixty nine police

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Speaker 2: We've just got to get tougher on this and back

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Speaker 2: our police in and let the community know that if

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Speaker 3: Leah, I do want to ask you.

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Speaker 1: Overnight or actually late yesterday afternoon ten to six yesterday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: a child will manage to escape when the car that

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Speaker 1: golf Course. Both offenders, aged twelve and thirteen, were in

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Speaker 1: apprehended by the police. There is a lot to unpack

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Speaker 1: from this story. Firstly, I'm mortified that a seven year

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Speaker 1: But then I'm pretty mortified by the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: How horrific is that? I mean, what an absolute just

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Speaker 2: as a parent, you know, it just makes your gut churn,

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Speaker 2: you know, that is just such a horrific story, Katie.

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Speaker 2: And you know, a twelve and thirteen year old. I

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Speaker 2: think it just reinforces for all those people out there

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Speaker 2: It's just not good enough. Youth crime continues to be

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Speaker 2: a major major issue and the Gunner government are just

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Speaker 2: failing territories at every step. I mean, we ask questions

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Speaker 2: about their new youth justice laws, which of course just

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Speaker 2: see whether these laws are doing anything different. But just horrific.

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Speaker 2: And this is you know, our police are out there

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Speaker 2: spending their time dealing with this type of stuff, which

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Speaker 2: just should not be happening, should not be happening.

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Speaker 1: We'll say, I agree with you, you know, I just

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Speaker 1: think it's pretty it is, it's actually, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: sad on a number of levels that story. And we

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Speaker 1: news director is well and truly onto it. But Leah,

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Speaker 1: we know that Territory Families Minister Kate Warden was in

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Speaker 2: What did you learn, Well, I'll start by saying, what

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Speaker 2: we learned during police was that one hundred and seventeen

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Speaker 2: youths were on bail at the time of their arrest

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Speaker 2: during that reporting period. So that's a really bad indicator

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Speaker 2: of what's going on with bail. Then we moved to

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Speaker 2: Territory Families. Of course, in the ministry is responsible for

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Speaker 2: youth justice, and the information we received just reinforced once

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Speaker 2: again that youth justice needs to be taken out of

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Speaker 2: Territory Families and put back in corrections. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: data they provided the public on assaults on youth justice

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Speaker 2: offices was wrong. Fortunately it was less than the original

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Speaker 2: this information is being captured and handled. And of course

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Speaker 2: any assault on a worker or anybody is completely unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that territory families are now providing all

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Speaker 2: it just shows you the caliber of the criminal that

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Speaker 2: and I just think it's incredibly shocking. Of course, no

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Speaker 2: a result, you know, a year later, we've made no

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Speaker 2: progress on it whatsoever. No work camps coming out in

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Speaker 2: has left the people of the Northern Territory behind, and

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Speaker 2: that has become glaringly obvious in our examinations of government

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Speaker 3: Well, Leah, we are going to have to get ready

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Speaker 1: I know some people will disagree with what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and look, we're always happy to hear from them. But

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Speaker 1: on Barnaby Joyce, we know that the new Deputy Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: well he's back in there, the new old Deputy Prime minister.

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Speaker 1: Is this a good thing for the Northern Territory, Oh

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: And look, I have to put on the record my

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Speaker 2: greatest of thanks to former Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack.

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Speaker 2: He was a huge champion of the territory. He spent

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Speaker 2: him enough for his service to the community and to

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Speaker 2: the territory. And equally, Barnaby is a long term, a

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Speaker 2: legacy that Michael leaves and ensuring that the Territory's voice

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Speaker 2: is heard in Cambridge, which is something both of them

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Speaker 2: have done very very successfully. So I've contacted Barnaby, sent

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Speaker 2: him my congratulations and looking forward to see him on

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Speaker 1: Well, he's going to be joining us on the show

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Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes time, Leah, just very quickly.

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Speaker 1: Is it the Central Council meeting? It's this weekend, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Where you are going to be The COLP is going

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Speaker 1: to be determining who feels so senate spots and also

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Speaker 1: those other well the seed of Solomon and Lingiari.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So this weekend the party membership will meet.

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Speaker 2: It's not something that the Territory Parliamentary Wing are involved in.

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Speaker 2: We're excluded from that entire process, which is appropriate. It's

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Speaker 2: a matter for the membership and so we'll be having

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Speaker 2: a wonderful contest for who's going to fill our senate positions.

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Speaker 2: Who are candidates for Solomon and Lingiari are going to

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Speaker 2: be and then from Sunday onwards we will be on

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Speaker 2: to power. When the federal election's on and ultimately, Territorians

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Speaker 2: Scott's team and to do that you've got to vote CLP.

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Speaker 3: That Senate seat is heating up.

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Speaker 1: Does Barnaby's visit to the territory demonstrate that he is

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Speaker 1: supporting Senator Sam mcmahont oh.

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Speaker 2: Look, that's entirely a question for the Deputy Prime Minister, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I think what it shows though, is that we have

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Speaker 2: Canberra and that's really important. Sam's done a great job

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Speaker 2: as a Senator. The other candidates all are strong capable

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Speaker 2: Territorians and I just think it's a wonderful thing for

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Speaker 2: a really critically important role in delivering services, infrastructure, roads

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Speaker 2: and money of course into the Northern Territory. So it

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Speaker 2: should be it should be hotly contestant, and it's wonderful

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Speaker 2: that people are coming out of the woodworks to want

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Speaker 2: to run for the CLP.

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Speaker 1: Opposition, Lady Leah Finocchiara, we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. We'll hopefully see you Friday for the

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Speaker 1: week that was.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.