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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers. Now. It's so amazing to me that kids

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Speaker 2: who have such a strong desire for independence still crave closeness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In our downsize we've listened because there's only three bedrooms

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Speaker 2: and they're close together. And now here's the stars of

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Speaker 2: our show, My mom and Dad.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday. We love Fridays. Hello.

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Speaker 3: This is doctor Justin Coilson, the author of six books

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Speaker 3: about making families happier, and the parenting expert and co

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Speaker 3: host of channel Lines Parental Guidance Season two back a

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Speaker 3: little later this year.

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Speaker 1: Very excited about that.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with Kylie, my wife, podcast pro partner and

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Speaker 3: mom to our six kids, and Kylie today as we

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Speaker 3: do every single Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's all do Better Tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Where we're recording this podcast from yet another airbnb.

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Speaker 1: Last week we moved out of our house.

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Speaker 3: The furniture van took all of our gear away, and

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Speaker 3: we're kind of living out of suitcases and living from

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Speaker 3: one airbnb to the next until we finally move into

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Speaker 3: our new.

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Speaker 1: House on the coast.

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Speaker 3: It's been a five month saga and I'll do better

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Speaker 3: tomorrow is about how we navigate the sagas and the

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Speaker 3: challenges and the adversities of life.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're moving.

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Speaker 3: House or not, you have them, and so we thought

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Speaker 3: that today we would share some of the latest bits

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Speaker 3: and pieces that we've learned as we're trying to be

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Speaker 3: intentional parents and guide our children successfully through the ups

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Speaker 3: and downs of life.

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Speaker 1: Kylie, why don't you go first today?

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Speaker 2: Well, my story is all the little bit messy. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to profess to having done a perfect job

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Speaker 2: at this, but it's real life. Yeah, we a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago decided to get the kids kitted out

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Speaker 2: with some wetsuits. We're going to be living near the

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Speaker 2: But they're really excited because we're finally going to have

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Speaker 2: So we went along too the surf shop and we

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Speaker 3: I actually I couldn't help myself. I wanted to buy

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Speaker 2: And you may or may not have added to our

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Speaker 2: out which wetsuits were going to work best for the girls. Well,

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Speaker 2: And the reality is as a parent, when you're doing

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Speaker 2: And she said, because I don't want bright colors, so

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Speaker 2: the black wetsuits, yeah, I thought that was a really

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Speaker 1: She went along, day you may hit so hard, Kylie.

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Speaker 1: They make it so hard.

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Speaker 1: Happy except me. I walked out very poor. But you

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Speaker 1: this is beautiful. It's sublime. For anyone who's listening closely

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Speaker 3: What Kylie's done is moved Lily away. Well, Lily walked away,

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Speaker 3: And rather than saying you're being entitled, you're being spoiled,

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Speaker 3: That you can communicate it so that I can understand,

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Speaker 3: asked these really careful questions, how can we do this?

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Speaker 1: And that was the most masterful part of all of this.

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Speaker 3: You didn't say you need to do this, you need

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Speaker 3: After the break, we'll find out Mike will do better

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Speaker 3: tomorrow and how I can try to be a better dad,

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Speaker 3: Get curious, not furious. Be we your feeder. Mistakes lead

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Speaker 2: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for a time

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Speaker 2: poor parent who just wants answers. Now, I'm curious, Justin,

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Speaker 2: you haven't been around for bed times for a fair

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Speaker 3: So for those of you who are wondering why I

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Speaker 3: But Hamish Blake, you know, we talk about me schevery

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Speaker 4: They're competitive four and seven and it's like well, like

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Speaker 4: my daughter, especially if you know, if she hears me

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Speaker 4: saying to my boy, like, you know, I love you,

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Speaker 4: you know, with my whole heart, and that's you don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And don't just sing out down the hallway

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Speaker 3: We really hope that this will do better tomorrow, has

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Speaker 1: How do we help.

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