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Speaker 1: This is a Will and Woody podcast mini but when

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Speaker 1: you're in a rush. The Johnny Depp amber Herd trial

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Speaker 1: started in April. Woods we're nearly into June. Extraordinary. It

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Speaker 1: has captivated the world. Obviously just the pure fact that

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Speaker 1: you can broadcast live broadcast. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people forget this, but obviously in Australia, the only way

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Speaker 1: we can look at court proceedings is through those dodgy

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Speaker 1: little sketches, totally juxtaposed with the US where you get

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Speaker 1: a live feed of drama and real life. This reality

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Speaker 1: TV at its best, really, and that's what this case

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Speaker 1: has become. And there's obviously so many layers to this.

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Speaker 1: There's a domestic mile inside of things. There's the lying,

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Speaker 1: there's the gene, there's the defamation side. So much in

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Speaker 1: it that we just thought we'd get one of the

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Speaker 1: best of the business in to talk to us about it,

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Speaker 1: and Bishop from Channel ten joins us and.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, wow, It's all I can say. It is

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Speaker 2: some much the most intense testimony, bizarre occurrences, twists and

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Speaker 2: turn that we've ever watched. I actually heard the Kardashians

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Speaker 2: tried to get an injunction against court proceedings because it

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Speaker 2: was taking viewers away from the reality show.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, is that a joke or you being serious? That's

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Speaker 1: fishing her best? That was real. I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 1: America is an extraordinary We're watching it over here every

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Speaker 1: country in the world. It's extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: It's at the discretion of the judge as to whether

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Speaker 2: this takes place. And I always wonder a little bit

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Speaker 2: inside my head why the judge says yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: because they're they're on the television just as much.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's an American thing, isn't it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: that it's transparency and liberty, and you know, like everyone

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Speaker 1: being open and we're a democracy and everything should be

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Speaker 1: exposed and transparent, and you know, that's that's the core values,

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Speaker 1: which which is good for a court case, like you know,

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Speaker 1: like the Watergate scandal. But we're talking about currently one

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Speaker 1: person who's doing someone for fifty million dollars and then

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Speaker 1: the other one who counter seed them for a hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars, and now just this mess. We know who,

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Speaker 1: we don't know who to believe. And have you made

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Speaker 1: your mind up either way in terms of what you

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Speaker 1: actually think is going on? And is there any evidence

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Speaker 1: in the trial so far that's made you think one

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Speaker 1: of them is potentially more correct.

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Speaker 2: So essentially to throw out the defamation case, the jury

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Speaker 2: has to believe that Amber Heard was a victim of

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Speaker 2: domestic violence at the hands of Johnny Depp. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: and you could see a case being made for that,

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Speaker 2: I guess, But you've got a wag through a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff to come to that conclusion. And will the juriors,

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Speaker 2: you know, they go through a juris selection process and

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Speaker 2: make sure they don't find you know, they haven't found

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Speaker 2: twelve members of the Johnny Depp fan club. You know

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Speaker 2: that they found reasonable and normal.

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Speaker 1: Citizens, lay people, people who.

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Speaker 2: Don't really care about Johnny and Amel one way or

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Speaker 2: the other and probably have more important things going on

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Speaker 2: in their life. But you know, in pop it's almost

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Speaker 2: how can you not be influenced by pop culture to it?

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Speaker 2: And and I really think whatever happens, whoever wins this,

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Speaker 2: Amber Herd is going to be forever gone.

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Speaker 1: She's gone go on.

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Speaker 2: Will probably survives. The way things.

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Speaker 1: Happen, it's tragic. I mean, that's that's the really sad

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Speaker 1: part about this as well. I think whatever comes of

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Speaker 1: this the fact that Johnny Depp will walk away from

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Speaker 1: this and have a blossoming career and it'll be something

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Speaker 1: that gets mentioned in a podcast later on, or you know,

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Speaker 1: it'll be in the notes when he does big interviews.

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Speaker 1: Can't ask him about the Amber Herd thing. The notes,

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Speaker 1: the notes, you don't mention, don't mention the court case.

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Speaker 1: But apart from that, mate, congratulatesations. You just did Ghostbusters twelve.

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Speaker 2: You know he already lost one defamation case in the

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Speaker 2: UK against the Sun.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: That is much stronger language than the Namber heard.

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Speaker 1: That's right, it's already been so proved in.

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Speaker 2: One course, his campaign still still stayed on air.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's totally that the sad reflection of the domestic

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Speaker 1: this through the lens of domestic violence. If there is

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Speaker 1: a scaic of truth in what Amber Heard's saying, that,

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Speaker 1: that's the tragic part of it. Shocking. What one hundred

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Speaker 1: respects the number? If that chat's brought up any issues

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Speaker 1: for you, And there is obviously key bits of evidence

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Speaker 1: on Kate Moss has been involved recently as well, And

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Speaker 1: stay with us, we'll talk about it more up next

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Speaker 1: time with them. What we're talking Amber heard and Johnny

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Speaker 1: Depp and we're talking with a bishop and entertainment editor

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Speaker 1: at Network ten. She's the best in the biz. The

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Speaker 1: one time we saw the Bish in a waiting room

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Speaker 1: to interview the cast of the new James Bond movie. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we got a chat with Romi Malick. Were like, what

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Speaker 1: time you want with Malick Bish and she was like, boys, please,

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Speaker 1: I'm going. I'm going straight on to talk to Daniel

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Speaker 1: Craig And we were like, yeah, now, and before we

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Speaker 1: continue to name drop around you, let's let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit more, because I mean, you've got stories with everyone.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about this case. Who do

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Speaker 1: you think is right, who do you think is lying?

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Speaker 1: And why?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what's and I'll tell you why I'm

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Speaker 2: not coming to a disfinitive decision straight off. What's clouding

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Speaker 2: it for me is all of the stuff that's going

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Speaker 2: on on social media. Now. There is the juntas for

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Speaker 2: Johnny Depp hashtag on TikTok has been viewed ten billion times,

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Speaker 2: one more time ten billions times, and NBC News in

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Speaker 2: the State's interviews YouTube creators the other day we said

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Speaker 2: they've switched, pivoted they're creating a videos to go anti

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Speaker 2: amb Heard because the algorithm uses that it was delivering

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Speaker 2: them went through the root.

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Speaker 1: That's terrible.

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Speaker 2: Is that, by chance? Does that mean that most people

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Speaker 2: on social media are actually pro Johnny Depp? Or is

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Speaker 2: that something that's actually being orchestrated out there? Is that

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Speaker 2: actually part of her campaign?

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Speaker 1: And I've got one more question for you. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot going on the Kate Moss thing. Can I

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Speaker 1: have that explain to me? Please?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So when Amber Heard said that she was scared

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Speaker 2: stairs by Johnny Depp, she testified and she said, straight away,

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Speaker 2: in my mind, I thought of Kate more Kate Moss, a.

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Speaker 1: Very different woman, very different heights.

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Speaker 2: It was just one fly, she she said, she went

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Speaker 2: straight to the story of Kate Moss going down the

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Speaker 2: fire stairs. Now, when we looked at Johnny depputy law

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Speaker 2: at that point, the lawyer just went, yes, he went

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Speaker 2: a little gay because they obviously knew that if that

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Speaker 2: was ever brought up, the Kate Moss, Johnny Depp's former

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Speaker 2: girlfriend from many years ago, Wood was obviously ready to

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Speaker 2: come on board and say no such thing. Happened and huge.

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Speaker 2: She will carry that testimony will carry a lot of weight. Yes,

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Speaker 2: of course they dated for four years. Yes, from another

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Speaker 2: case of two really high profile people. You know, that

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Speaker 2: I current help it. Think the judge will instruct the

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Speaker 2: jury and say, the testimony of Kate Moss being a

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Speaker 2: supermodel means no more nor less than anyone else has

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Speaker 2: testified in the case. But do the jurors really think

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Speaker 2: like that. That's you know, they cannot push all they've

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Speaker 2: seen in popular culture over all their lives out of

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Speaker 1: It's almost the opposite. It's like, you know when you

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Speaker 1: go to the milk bar with your parents when you're

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Speaker 1: a kid, and they try and convince you that the

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Speaker 1: one dollar Dixie ice cream tastes as good as the

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Speaker 1: Magnum ego. No matter what you tell me. Here, I

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Speaker 1: know the ego is better, it looks better, it sounds better,

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Speaker 1: and it's four dollars more. You just don't want to

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Speaker 1: buy it for me. Anyway. We've ended up talking ice creams,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, we got you one.

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Speaker 1: For A five star recap of the most enthralling and

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Speaker 1: tragic thing. I'd say the two of those things. And

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Speaker 1: I say tragic in the sense of pathetic, like it's

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Speaker 1: not actually as you said earlier to us off here

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Speaker 1: at the end. And the sad thing about this is

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Speaker 1: this will carry on in the news cycle for months,

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Speaker 1: and those little kids that were massacre in the US,

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Speaker 1: that'll that'll be gone and forgotten because it is a

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Speaker 1: real tragedy that one I know.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the most devastating part of all of this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're biggest, biggest.

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Speaker 1: We should just we should just let them just take

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Speaker 1: each other out in a separate area and just who cares.

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Speaker 1: None of us not need to know the outcome. And

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Speaker 1: that's the downside of filming filming this sort of stuff

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Speaker 1: is it is making it palatable for everybody else. And bizarrely,

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Speaker 1: here we are on our radio show talking about the case.

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Speaker 1: Completely very metal, very metal, and thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Your legend you can catch

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Speaker 1: and as always on Network ten. She is the entertainment

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Speaker 1: reporter there. She has a brilliant job in one of

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Speaker 1: our faiths. Thanks for joining us. Legend. More of the

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