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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fearlessly Failing hot Seat. In this EPP, I

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Speaker 1: fire rapid questions at one of our fearlessly failing guests.

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Speaker 2: PS. I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not so good at the rapid part. I get

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Speaker 1: too intrigued by the awesome answers. Now a new EPP

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Speaker 2: Hot Seat full name, Mark Matthews, Thank you, favorite meal.

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Speaker 3: Steak?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's any sides, lots of salt? Oh yeah?

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Speaker 2: Have you jumped out of a plane? No you haven't, Scott.

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd be a Scott over yet you how big?

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Speaker 4: What's the biggest A certain capacity to do with fear?

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Speaker 4: And it's all in my career. I'm like everything else.

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Speaker 4: I like to do it, like golf is what I

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Speaker 4: would do as a hobby. Shit's about as scary as

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Speaker 4: everything else.

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Speaker 2: What is the biggest wave that you have surfed?

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Speaker 3: The biggest wave would be like fifty sixty feet.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. Yeah, that's insane, bit amazing phenomenal. Have you

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Speaker 1: swam with sharks not outsurfing?

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Speaker 2: Like? Oh, I think a shark was out today, Like,

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Speaker 2: have you voluntarily.

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Speaker 4: I've involuntarily swimmer sharks, but not voluntarily.

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Speaker 2: Have you been in the water and seen them.

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Speaker 3: A couple of times? Yeah, terrifying.

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Speaker 4: A couple of times on jet skis, which is not

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Speaker 4: so scary, but you're still kind of like that thing's

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Speaker 4: so big you could probably swallow the jet skid.

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Speaker 3: Now you're kind of still nervous.

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Speaker 4: And then a couple of times in the water and

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Speaker 4: they weren't paying me no attention and they were far

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Speaker 4: enough away, but I was like I ran on water.

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Speaker 3: I was that scared.

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Speaker 4: I was like, great white out of here. The great

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Speaker 4: whites on the jet skis. One great white in South Australia.

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Speaker 4: When we were in the water, it breached, but it

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Speaker 3: I've seen a killer whale too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're my favorite. They're my favorite.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's like, yeah, but killer whales don't like attack humans.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, there's no way I'm putting that to the test.

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Speaker 2: They are full.

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Speaker 4: Apex was gnormous and I had a baby one with it,

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Speaker 4: and we were like there was one ski in the

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Speaker 2: Terrible because you know, they play with their food too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they pull you down and.

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Speaker 3: Supposedly they're so smart they don't attack humans like they do.

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Speaker 1: You know, in Norway you can go out on a

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Speaker 1: boat and you can swim with them.

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Speaker 2: It's but the water. Here's here's what freaks out. The

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen it. And you can like paddle down

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Speaker 4: the river. That's all right, and they come alongside.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, you wouldn't even kayak or paddle with them.

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Speaker 4: I was scared when we were on the ski, like

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to go close to I'm like, what

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Speaker 4: if this thing things we're having to go at its

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Speaker 1: It would flip the ski And as happy have you

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Speaker 1: seen blackfish?

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Speaker 3: Really good?

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Speaker 1: Don't go about amazing Okay, I could talk about orcas

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Speaker 4: They are amazing, Like they they probably are too smart

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Speaker 3: It out of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're smarter than us. I reckon for sure.

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Speaker 2: Biggest fear m.

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Speaker 4: Embarrassment has always been like one that really it governs

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Speaker 4: just anything. Yeah, I have like such a powerful, visceral

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Speaker 3: You know. That's probably one of the things that drove

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Speaker 4: Desperately want respect and love from people around me, and

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Speaker 4: that's really heightened when you're a teenager. I think, of

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Speaker 4: that was a lot of the drive via surf big Waves,

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Speaker 2: So interesting. Okay, biggest failure.

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Speaker 4: I screwed up doing a keynote of virtual keynote once

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Speaker 4: I've been there, Yeah, I got really lazy doing virtual

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Speaker 4: keynotes and started playing recordings that seemed like they were live. No,

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Speaker 4: but they worked amazing, and in my head, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: can deliver a keynote because I recorded it that I'd

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Speaker 4: be doing the audience and injustice if I didn't play this,

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Speaker 4: because like the responses were so amazing.

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Speaker 3: So I kept doing it.

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Speaker 4: But then I played the wrong video for the wrong client,

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Speaker 4: which just and it.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't too bad.

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Speaker 4: It just meant that at the end I said at

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Speaker 4: different companies name, I could have made that mistake speaking,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, it was that was like as far as

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Speaker 4: work goes, that was.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's hilarious. Okay. Favorite favorite city.

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Speaker 4: Kidney, probably, like I've moved from Sydney, and I don't

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Speaker 3: I was live in Sydney. I think Sydney is one

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Speaker 1: Honolulu because Hawaii, Uh, do you have a favorite so

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Speaker 1: you don't need to give away your favorite surf spots

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Speaker 1: because I know that's like secret squirrels in the surf world.

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Speaker 4: Like for my my ones are like big wave spots

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Speaker 4: and they never really get too crowd. What's your all

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Speaker 4: time favorite jaws in Piahi It's called mau Maui.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still haven't been to Maui.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always going to Honolulu and just chill.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or drive the north shows going to hold.

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Speaker 1: But also I feel like I'm on the set of

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Speaker 1: Jurassic Park every time I go to Hawaii.

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Speaker 4: How amazing Tahiti is even more No, it's even more

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Speaker 4: where Chopu is the wave that's one of the craziest

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Speaker 3: Is it full on? Think a dinosaurs about to come

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. So that would be so what about nature?

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Speaker 1: But would it be Hawaii as well?

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Speaker 3: Nature?

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Speaker 1: Like if you were like and just hanging in nature

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Speaker 1: Tahiti because the jungle vibes and mountain vibes.

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Speaker 1: I think when you said I heard you say when

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Speaker 4: I was like, this can't be good. And then it

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Speaker 3: Cold dark place looking at the light. I was like,

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Speaker 2: And then when you came.

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Speaker 2: Would you have a spirit animal and if so, what

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Speaker 3: Probably the cliche one of the dolphins.

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Speaker 1: I feel like surfers you would have said with dolphins heaps.

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Speaker 4: I took my three year old surfing, and I swear

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Speaker 4: they know when kids are around. I reckon and she

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Speaker 4: little waves at Rainbow Baby here, and like I hadn't

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Speaker 4: seen one the whole surf. One just pops up, rides

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Speaker 4: the wave next right in front of us, Like so

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Speaker 2: Nice, that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: And whenever we're on the boats or the skis, they

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Speaker 4: they just look Yeah, it's like they're like they're not

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Speaker 3: I think you're like less threatening or something. It might

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Speaker 2: No, I love it. I love it. Do you have

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Speaker 3: So many Notting Hills really love romantic comedies.

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Speaker 2: I would not have picked that. I thought you were

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Speaker 3: Just like the like dorky just gets the hot chick.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Okay, not here amazing.

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Speaker 1: Do you have like a pump up song or do

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Speaker 1: you have Jews music when you go out to save?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? And I'm one of those people that like just

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Speaker 4: Like I'll get on a playlist and I'll just for

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Speaker 3: Five years in my cars, is the same music?

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Speaker 2: Amazing?

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Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, one song that I'll save your tears.

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Speaker 4: I know who's by, but it's really good.

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Speaker 2: Are they all?

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Speaker 1: Are they kind of like pump up or are they

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Speaker 1: just like find happy they're a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fun happy more yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: Real yeah, because you see so many surf videos and

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Speaker 1: it's like with like really full on amazing music. But

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Speaker 1: like yesterday I was I put on into stories because

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Speaker 1: I was researching you and I found like that song

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Speaker 1: sale a Wall.

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Speaker 2: Nation and it's you.

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Speaker 1: It's you doing some incredible wave and I've got that

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Speaker 1: a Wall Nation song and it fits to a t.

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Speaker 4: I find with music. I'm like in the week lead

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Speaker 4: don't want them to but then it's like right before

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Speaker 4: I'm about sign me up then and then I look

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Speaker 4: at footage of the wave, what I'm about to be?

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Speaker 3: So yeah right in that.

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Speaker 2: Moment yeah right yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I was really much younger, I dated and surf

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, what's going when you're young? That's so funny. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Be Hold my breath underwater, like a breathe underwater.

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Speaker 1: That'd be good, like Aquaman best piece of advice you've received.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, committed to these little interest for payments and like yeah,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's it makes sense for our generation versus

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Speaker 4: Many kids that did like finances, you know what, like like.

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Speaker 3: You're an idiot, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense generation wise.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense because remember our parents would buy a

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Speaker 4: But then it's like better, you're better off, Like borrowing

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Speaker 3: Introvert? Yeah, top like one percent on the planet.

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Speaker 4: By going off the test that I did, It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. What do you get for it? Financial anxiety?

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Speaker 1: I always say people like, no, I centered really confident,

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Speaker 3: Energy exactly that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's what It's just. It's not

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Speaker 3: It just takes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your batteries are like full depleted. Final question, what

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Speaker 2: You're going to say you girls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never felt anything like it.

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Speaker 1: And I love I've watched a few docos of you

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Speaker 4: when I do my keynotes, I tell of that moment

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Speaker 3: It's like when you do a you can only fit

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Speaker 4: can't do it. Yeah, And I'm like I could do

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Speaker 1: Like it comes back to one of your big pillars,

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Speaker 3: Going on your advice things. I just heard this the

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Speaker 4: It was, you know how like you're looking for the

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Speaker 4: for you it's like it's like I was just like,

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Speaker 4: right person for someone else, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Like like like maybe you're not perfect as you are.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you could make yourself more attractive to other people

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Speaker 4: that's a good way to put It's like totally different

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Speaker 4: from a perspective than the standard, like you're perfect as

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Speaker 4: you are, and there's the right people out there for you,

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you like it's good to like focus on yourself

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Speaker 3: Put that one on it.

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Speaker 2: That's really cool, But think about I think the work

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Speaker 1: And like, because I live six months of the year

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we both have therapists and.

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Speaker 1: We have like open communication about what shits us, about

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Speaker 3: Powerful as well powerful. Yeah, that's the part.

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Speaker 4: Like with when you're an athlete, it's so normal to

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Speaker 3: It's like it should be.

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Speaker 4: That normal for just anyone to see a psychologist to

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Speaker 3: Like, rather than wait till like.

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Speaker 4: Something goes wrong catastrophe and keep yourself out of the whole,

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Speaker 4: you like, go see a psich to just be better

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Speaker 3: In the whole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a thousand percent ah could chat to you all

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Speaker 1: day long.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: No worries,