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Speaker 1: Mattie Ja, what day is it?

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Speaker 2: Well, Ash, it is bonus episode day, my friend, we

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Speaker 2: have none other than former UFC Featherweight World champ Alex Volkanovski.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he is known as Alexander the Great in the Octagon,

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Speaker 3: but he's also a doting father to three young girls,

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Speaker 3: Ariana early en Rain who is eight months old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's married to his high school sweetheart Emma

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Speaker 2: back in twenty twelve when they have been together for

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Speaker 2: almost twenty years. But he was a bit of a

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Speaker 2: surprise package old Vulcan.

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Speaker 1: He's a ball of energy, which is great lovable energy

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: I was a little bit intimidated at first at first,

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Speaker 2: but then I soon realized he's just a lovable man

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Speaker 2: who could kill me at three seconds, but lovable nonetheless.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Vulgan welcomed us with open arms and put

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Speaker 3: us both in an armbar. So please enjoy this episode

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Speaker 3: at your own risk.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to three doting dads. I'm Maddie jam Ash.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Alexander the Great. Volkanovsky just rolls off.

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Speaker 1: And mailed it.

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Speaker 2: This is a podcast all about parenting. It's the good, the.

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Speaker 1: Bad, and the relatable.

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Speaker 2: Volk do you think today, will we have any advice

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Speaker 2: parenting advice from yourself?

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Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, be relatable, mate, every parent

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Speaker 5: is going to have a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of the same problems and you're going to be all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think if you're going to take advice from anyone,

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Speaker 2: it's going.

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Speaker 1: To be champion. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I guess, like how to check one of these kids

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Speaker 3: out must have been out there in terms of.

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Speaker 2: Advice, I want to go I want to go back

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Speaker 2: in time a little bit to it to a young Vulk,

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Speaker 2: a young Volk.

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Speaker 1: What was it like? We're still young girl. We all

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Speaker 1: we go over this every a younger.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking like child six, seven, eight nine. If you

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Speaker 2: can cast your memory back then far. Look, I'll be

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Speaker 2: honest with yeah, it's.

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Speaker 5: Always been like this because a lot of every time

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Speaker 5: I told you I'm like terrible with memory. I don't

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Speaker 5: remember much as a kid and all that, to be

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Speaker 5: quite honest, and that was before my last two KOs

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Speaker 5: as well. Every time I try and tell people that,

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Speaker 5: especially lately, about to have the oh yeah I don't

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Speaker 5: like this, by the way, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Remember too much when you think about your household. Yes,

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Speaker 2: a Greek Macedonian household growing up? Okay, yeah, I can

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Speaker 2: get Was it relaxed? Was it strict? What do you remember?

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Speaker 4: I reckon pretty relaxed. Yeah, I wouldn't say strict.

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Speaker 5: I mean I think every I mean the days were different,

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Speaker 5: you know to now obviously you know we'll probably raise

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Speaker 5: a little bit different as to how you could raise now,

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Speaker 5: I guess you could say.

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Speaker 2: But wouldn't spoon? What was what?

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Speaker 1: What was the punishment in a Greek macedony my.

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Speaker 2: The cutlery drawer? I was, I was a wooden spoon with.

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Speaker 4: Me before from my parents under the bus? Did all

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Speaker 4: our parents give us?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: I hit our wooden spoon and then's got a hard

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Speaker 1: Absolutely regretted doing.

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Speaker 5: That because my my mom and dad, like my biggest

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Speaker 5: fans are we watching this, They watch everything watching it.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to make sure see under the bus

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Speaker 5: all right, so you'll be all right?

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, yeah, a bit of everything, whatever

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Speaker 5: But I mean, like I was, never was never too bad.

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Speaker 5: But I mean if we deserved it, we deserve it.

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Speaker 2: Was there a good cop and a bad cop between

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you could say that. Yeah, who was good obviously

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Speaker 5: was always going to be you to your dad gets home.

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Speaker 2: I imagine I look at you now as a man

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Speaker 2: of discipline. Very Were you a disciplined, well behaved young child.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I was. Man, it's a that's a

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Speaker 5: funny one. I always thought that I was a pretty

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Speaker 5: But then I start telling people stories like like go back.

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Speaker 5: I remember even the last camp, we had a few

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Speaker 5: telling people some stories. And then I'm like trying to

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Trying to tell that it wasn't like that. But there

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Speaker 2: Which one were you telling in the last camp?

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Speaker 1: There's anything stand out? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Mate, There's there's plenty of them.

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Speaker 5: This some that I can't say, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: There's somebody you can't say, but just just a lot

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Speaker 5: so even just telling them stories like so many of them.

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Speaker 5: I remember my uncle coming over one sucker. My parents

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Speaker 5: I think he come early in the morning and he's like, Alex,

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Speaker 5: ma luka, what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Like a wake up? And then I'm like, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Didn't know I was going.

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Speaker 5: I just supposed to be the boys home. I don't remember,

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Speaker 5: discussing malacca, no a bit of Greek words or my

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Speaker 5: luck is like it's like a shut up or some blood.

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Speaker 4: It's just a maluca.

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Speaker 5: Everyone though, everyone says that it's just it's like a

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Speaker 4: That's probably the tamest one.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 4: There's plenty more, but we don't need to know about it.

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Speaker 4: And then I wasn't that bad. I probably.

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Speaker 2: My back on my heritage. It's pretty boring for me,

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Speaker 2: Like my dad is Australian, my mum as well, but

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Speaker 2: What was it like for you? It was something that

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, there's a okay, so I'm my dad's Macedonian,

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Speaker 4: And the Macedonians going at it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just.

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Speaker 4: Sit on the fence. I always do with everything.

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Speaker 5: But I mean one thing that was funniest because obviously

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Speaker 5: I was always known, as I told you, being where

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Speaker 5: able to fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then have.

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Speaker 2: You as champ wrestler.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a wrestler as well, Yes, a national

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Speaker 5: I just start Mma Toll was twenty two years old,

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Speaker 4: And all they would.

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Speaker 5: that that's all they were talking about, was just fighting wars,

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Speaker 5: would always try and claim from both sides. That's that's

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Speaker 4: It's I mean, you you put this out, you wait.

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Speaker 5: Till you see the comments, all loving love, all love

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Speaker 5: against each other.

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Speaker 1: They're always trying to claim credit for you, aren't they.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just try and sit there and say

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Speaker 4: I'm Macedonian. I'm great, you know, leave me out. It's

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Speaker 4: still it's still on.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's let's put it to bed.

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Speaker 4: I love you.

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Speaker 1: I leave it at that.

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Speaker 2: And which is your favorite?

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Speaker 5: Which is my favorite? On the fence the fence.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever catch yourself going, oh my god, I

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's a there's noises that you're going to make,

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Speaker 5: It's like something like that, just little things like that.

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Speaker 4: That you're doing.

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Speaker 5: I'll notice, yeah, exactly, like I don't even know if

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Speaker 4: But is that it's just through growing up.

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Speaker 2: And you met your your now wife Emma when you

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Speaker 2: were quite young. Do you think it was that bad

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Speaker 2: boy image that you might have had.

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Speaker 1: I never had.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying. I'm trying to show these people. Wasn't like that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm joking. No, No, I don't think so, Like.

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Speaker 2: Did that help when you were trying to get her attention?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Yeah, high school I've been yeah, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so very yeah, very young.

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Speaker 4: We've been each other, been with each other since then.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I was like I was as tall as I am now.

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Speaker 4: Then then I grew I grew early, so you know,

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Speaker 2: What was it about Emma that you liked that you

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Speaker 4: Young man, she was a female.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks I guess you could say, like it's

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Speaker 1: End up learning more and more about each other.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, like it's crazy when you think about it

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Speaker 5: that we have fifteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean been together ever since, and you've played

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Speaker 1: separable ever since. Oh my goodness, you went to the

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Speaker 5: So I always say she actually reckoned. She didn'tollow me

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Speaker 5: we ended up we end up making out at under

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Speaker 5: eighteen's disco, and then it wasn't longer until she come

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Speaker 5: to our school. But I think she had dramas at

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Speaker 5: Maybe it was a bad boy, she just couldn't resist.

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Speaker 5: You know how old when you got married, I would

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Speaker 4: I think it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for a lot of people. I think when it

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Speaker 5: It's just like I was the best in Australia at

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Speaker 4: So you're struggling.

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Speaker 5: So I was in camp, I was, my weight was down,

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Speaker 4: Just things like that.

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Speaker 5: I was doing that for like two years, just fully

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Speaker 5: Like you know you're weight cutting, you're obviously going to

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Speaker 2: And for people who aren't familiar with weight cutting, we're

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Speaker 2: How much are you trying to lose?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean you know a fight week, I would

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Speaker 4: In one week. Yeah, yeah, so we love that.

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Speaker 1: Well, teach me how to lose seven.

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Speaker 5: It's just all water though, that's the water, but keeping

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Speaker 5: But I love my food and to diet that whole

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine how stressful it would have been for

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Speaker 5: And then at that time, I didn't have a nutritionus

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a yeah, well let's see it. It's hard work.

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Speaker 4: But it's hard work for for anybody, especially if you can.

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Speaker 2: But in saying that I'm not concreting full time and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you're being very well that's the thing for

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Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, maybe it was the way

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Speaker 5: I mean, find a way, figure it out, and just just.

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Speaker 4: Do it, you know what i mean, just you know,

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Speaker 5: That's just sort of how I was. Things would get tough,

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know what resilient.

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Speaker 5: Meant back then, you know what I mean, there's words

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Speaker 2: I had no idea that when I became a dad,

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Speaker 5: Because I've never thought with anger though, so a lot

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Speaker 5: But having the kid, for me, it was it definitely

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Speaker 5: So I had, you know, I had, I had something

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Speaker 1: I was scared to do anything for Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right now I was. I can'tn't afford to get injured,

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Speaker 5: And then I see danger everywhere, Like I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: Block that out?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't look at it that way.

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Speaker 3: Do you see the personality differences between your eldest, your second,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but are they.

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Speaker 5: Like you and they like your Why you know, whether

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Speaker 1: A little bit more more like me.

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Speaker 5: So even instead of her crying or say we're playing

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she was like she would sit there like this

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Speaker 5: A lot of people like you know, she was not

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Speaker 4: I'm like, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: She had a stitch the whole time, but just sold

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking these poor parents on the sideline, thinking

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Speaker 1: I'm like, stay away from that kid. I can't handle

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: What was hard of the transition from one to two

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was just a big gap.

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Speaker 2: Why was there such a big gap?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, just I mean that has we all

448
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,240
Speaker 4: know it's hard. You know it's hard.

449
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,879
Speaker 5: And had the two and then I was just like

450
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,960
Speaker 5: I didn't think I was ready for a third, Like

451
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 5: obviously it's it's it's hard to explain. Well, I just

452
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 5: were like, look, I want to make sure. I'm I

453
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,120
Speaker 5: was always waiting to be in a better position financially

454
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,040
Speaker 5: and all that, even when things were going well, I

455
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,240
Speaker 5: know we could be in a better position.

456
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:11,879
Speaker 4: I don't want.

457
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,960
Speaker 5: To to, yeah, interfere with things too much right now,

458
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 5: because going through them early stages it's hard works. Like

459
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 5: we've so, I was, I didn't want the I didn't

460
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,479
Speaker 5: This sounds bad, but I didn't want their I was like, no, no, no, no,

461
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 5: she just kept going, kept going, And I'm like, man,

462
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 5: you want to go through all that again, You're sure

463
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,960
Speaker 5: you want to do this. I'm trying to reminder, like

464
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remind remember how it was. It's like

465
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,480
Speaker 5: hard workers. I can't like I'm in the prime time,

466
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, I can't afford to like

467
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 5: when I'm in camp. I'm obviously going to help, but

468
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 5: I mean I can't, like I need to commit to

469
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 5: to to the fights and like I know, you know,

470
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 5: and I don't want to be in a position where

471
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 5: I have to commit to my fighting and put a

472
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 5: lot of energy there and not have energy, you know,

473
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 5: to put as much energy here. So it was hard

474
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 5: for me to make that decision, and we did anyway.

475
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 5: But obviously, you know, very happy, you know, but I'm

476
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,119
Speaker 5: just trying to be as real as I am. I

477
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 5: wasn't too happy at the start. Like we've we've trying

478
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 5: to talk me to. I was like, man, you know,

479
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 5: I don't think it's it's a right time.

480
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 2: We're in the same boat.

481
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 4: Ye, it's a tricky one. Obviously.

482
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Speaker 5: You sit there and I'm you know, you're you're blessed

483
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 5: to have a beautiful girls and all that, But it

484
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 5: doesn't mean it's it's easy.

485
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 3: You mentioned earlier that the fightings are easy. Would you

486
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,919
Speaker 3: say that being a parent is harder than navigating the.

487
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 4: Odd hundred percent? So fighting?

488
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,239
Speaker 5: And when I say fighting is easy, I mean the

489
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 5: fighting compared to the preparation, but.

490
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 4: I mean.

491
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 5: Fighting it is. He's even training. Yeah, it's hard work

492
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 5: physically and mentally. But I've got that down path, you

493
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 5: know what I mean, And that's me I've got to control.

494
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 4: I can control be very well, but.

495
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Navigating these humans all the time, to mold.

496
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 5: These humans to be strong independent women that you know

497
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 5: what I mean, and getting ready for the world.

498
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Speaker 1: You heard it here first, it's harder. The meaning usb

499
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: there you go, it is.

500
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Speaker 5: And like especially if you you want to like you

501
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 5: care and want to raise them. And the worst part

502
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 5: and the hardest thing for me, I'm a fix it

503
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 5: now type of person, So I this is the right

504
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 5: way or I'm going to fix I'm going to change.

505
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it, and you're wrong. I'm wrong.

506
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 5: Every month I've realized I'm doing it wrong, you know

507
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like, I don't care what anyone says.

508
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 5: You know, you go through and every situation, every kid's.

509
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: Going to be different.

510
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 5: You know, you could probably you know where other things

511
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 5: could come into play with you know, you know, disabilities obviously,

512
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 5: or diagnosis with other things, like you know, there's definitely

513
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 5: a lot of things that come into playing like oh,

514
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 5: you know, you might be strict here and then realize

515
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 5: that maybe you could have done things a little bit

516
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 5: different and you put it and you feel guilty of

517
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 5: you've been doing it.

518
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 4: Wrong the whole time.

519
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 5: But it's hard work, mate, And for me, again, I'm

520
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 5: a fix it now, try and do it and I

521
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 5: care a lot about that. That's the hardest thing is

522
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 5: trying to put energy into that and trying to do

523
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 5: the training schedule on that as well. So much more

524
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,479
Speaker 5: on the plate and it got to me. It got

525
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 5: to me, It got hard, It really got hard for

526
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 5: a little bit there.

527
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Speaker 3: I mean with you know, fight prep and you've got

528
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 3: young kids in the house, and young kids go to school,

529
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: they go to daycare, and they bring things back, they

530
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 3: bring germs back. Did you have to avoid them? Because

531
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: we know, we get the kindy cough, we get someone's

532
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: got the ships once a month, God, someone ships the bear.

533
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah that can mean like I win or lose potentially. Yeah, yeah,

534
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: the effect not going to effect is huge.

535
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's yeah, definitely, I'm not going to sit

536
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 5: there and like you know, even Emma would be sometimes

537
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 5: well maybe you've got to go to that because I

538
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 5: had to have a fighter house for my training partners

539
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 5: and that, and then the wife would like sometimes, well

540
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 5: maybe you go to the fighter's house because you've got

541
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 5: the runs or whatever it is. But I mean, I

542
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 5: couldn't know. I couldn't do it.

543
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 4: I'll just like I can be a bit of a germophobe,

544
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 4: especially in camp. So the gland.

545
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 5: Twenty's out and I'm washing my hands the whole time,

546
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 5: and I'm like doing whatever i can and like, you know,

547
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 5: trying to talk while.

548
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: Whatever you can.

549
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 4: You know, it's probably not helping, but I'll do it anyway.

550
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's a there does definitely get a get

551
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: tricky and everything just runs through the house, right.

552
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, It's.

553
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: It's funny when you watch it happen and you're like,

554
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 3: one's got it because both the mine are at daycare

555
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: and KINDI same with Matt because we're exactly the same

556
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: age of kids. One get gastro and you're like, oh shit,

557
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: here it comes, and it just works its way.

558
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: Through the house. I think one time I got gastro,

559
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: the kids had it, we thought.

560
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: We were over it, and we all went on holidays

561
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 3: and the rest of us got it on holidays.

562
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Speaker 5: And sometimes it's delayed in it. Yeah, like it'll be

563
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 5: a few days and you're like, I think we're in

564
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 5: the clear.

565
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 4: No family, Have.

566
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Speaker 2: You picked up any any bugs from the kids whilst

567
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: you've been in a fight camp?

568
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.

569
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 5: There's definitely things that, well, mate, I'm trying to think

570
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 5: of in camp training obviously because we were I'll travel

571
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 5: with the family, so there's been times where I've been overseas,

572
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: like traveling and then getting the runs, the little one

573
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 5: getting in the runs. Like Arianne, I was just a

574
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 5: rounda at the time.

575
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: I think we were for weight cutting those Yeah, you

576
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: too done.

577
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 5: So she was like three months so her first holiday

578
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 5: Thailand was a three months. That was a pretty pretty

579
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 5: early but I remember she ended up having the runs

580
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 5: and then I ended up getting the runs and back

581
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 5: then again we didn't have money.

582
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 4: So we're in this little tiny room.

583
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 5: Oh maybe you know, she's changing a nappy every couple

584
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 5: of minutes and me I'm running to the toilet every

585
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 5: you know, it was.

586
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 4: It was a nightmare.

587
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: I have been to the gym with the runs once.

588
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: Train through no idea.

589
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: If you if you cast your mind back before he

590
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: became world champ for the first time, did you ever

591
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: have any conversations like I'm thinking, you know you you're

592
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 2: now a dad and you've got a young daughter. You're

593
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,239
Speaker 2: doing this, you know, fight camps over in Thailand, You've

594
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: got a sick kid. Did you ever sit down with

595
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: Emma and go like, I don't know if this is

596
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: from there, I don't know if this is going to

597
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: happen as in before I was in the UF correct.

598
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely that was because you could imagine the

599
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 5: sport's much bigger now everyone everyone knows most people know

600
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 5: what UFC years and that when I was training for it,

601
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 5: not many people knew about. It wasn't as mainstream stream

602
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 5: as it is now, you know what I mean. It

603
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: wasn't a big deal, no, and we didn't have UFC

604
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 5: champions and it didn't seem like a path for people

605
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 5: to go like. It was not something that was seen

606
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 5: like so a lot of people you could imagine, like

607
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 5: while I was sitting there were struggling, like financially. You

608
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 5: could imagine the relatives, friends and be like, well, when's

609
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 5: he going to give this?

610
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: When you're going to fight, when's going to get back to.

611
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 4: You know? And that's that would happen a lot of times.

612
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 5: So it was tough going through that and and I'm

613
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 5: trying to be like chasing the dream, and you know,

614
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: I had the full support from from the wife, but

615
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 5: like I said, I made the promise to myself that

616
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 5: I would be in the UFC before Arianna was one

617
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 5: of the firstborn, and that didn't happen.

618
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 4: So the pressure was on and.

619
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Speaker 5: I remember there was a time where I almost did

620
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 5: give up where I was just went like there I

621
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 5: don't ever like I'm pulling up, so my coach seen

622
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: me pull up.

623
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was. It would have been

624
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: something little at the.

625
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 5: Time, but it was just the pressure got to me

626
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 5: where I'm just like, what's going on?

627
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 4: Like I was meant to be in the UFC.

628
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 5: I got told that the UFC were asking for me,

629
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 5: and then I had another management company said that I

630
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 5: was locked into another contract so that when I got

631
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 5: someone else and signed them, things like that. I went

632
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 5: to a point where I'm like, is this just ever

633
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: going to happen? And I remember rocking up to the

634
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 5: gym one time and I was going to go in.

635
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 5: My coach see me, and then I'm just like, stuff this,

636
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: I'm going home.

637
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm lucky.

638
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: Was the first time I've ever did that. And that's

639
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 5: not like me. It does seem like a big deal.

640
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 5: A lot of people probably turn away from the gym,

641
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 5: but for me that doesn't happen.

642
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: It kind of might have felt like turning you back

643
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: on your dream.

644
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: Well it is.

645
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 5: It was like, that's that's a big sign of you

646
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 5: giving up. So you know, even my coach, Ranked Melby, goes,

647
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 5: you're good, what's going on? I seen you pull up

648
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 5: and like what happened?

649
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: And it was.

650
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: Like you're that quick?

651
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just like it was just me and

652
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: I was just like this close to just turning back.

653
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: I didn't.

654
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: A week later, I end up get a major sponsor

655
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 5: jump on board and at that time massive deal like

656
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 5: you and none of your contracts are giving you that

657
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: type of money that a major sponsor would then, so

658
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh man, this is good. And then the

659
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 5: week after that might be in the UFC contract. So

660
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 5: I went from the lowest point where I was almost

661
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 5: going to give up to the highest point.

662
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: You talk about financially, you weren't secure because you're chasing

663
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: the stream and you know that in fighting, a win

664
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: versus a loss is world depart It's like could go

665
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: left or right, rags or riches almost. So what does

666
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: it feel like when you do get crowned the New

667
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: World Champ?

668
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a there's always a relief. I always get

669
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 5: a relief after every every fight.

670
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: It's because there's so much.

671
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 5: Pressure, like and it's weird like as I don't I

672
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 5: don't show the pressure.

673
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: Or the you know, it's like I almost block it

674
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: out that much.

675
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 5: I don't even know it's there well, especially earlier in

676
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: my career, I just wouldn't let it get in there.

677
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 4: But it was like, I've got this resilient shield.

678
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 5: I have this shield around me. I just don't let

679
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: nothing in. The weight's there, but I ain't letting it in.

680
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: I ain't let there be a chincken armor. And then

681
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: as soon as the fight is done, I can let

682
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: that shield go.

683
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on your girls watching your fire?

684
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: Do they fully comprehend it and do you let them

685
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: completely in or is there some things you hold them

686
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: back from.

687
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna hold them back.

688
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: I'm going to give them tastes of it as well,

689
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 5: but there's obviously going to be a lot that you

690
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 5: hold back from.

691
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, they know I'm fighting. I don't think

692
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: they really watch it.

693
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 5: Obviously we're away so they usually with my parents, but

694
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 5: I'm not there to in that position, I would be

695
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 5: okay for them to watch it.

696
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Do they are they interested in doing what dad does? Not?

697
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 4: Really? They want to.

698
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: I think you know Ariana the older, she wants to.

699
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 5: She actually loves the drama.

700
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: She wants to be famous, right whatever.

701
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 5: She doesn't want to be a fighter fighting, but I

702
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 5: mean she likes the glamor and all that, like you know,

703
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 5: she wants a piece of all that.

704
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: But no, not really.

705
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 5: I thinks the middle one early, I think she could.

706
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 5: She could definitely be a fight if she wanted to.

707
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Did you wrestle with her often? I'm around with.

708
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: Them here and there.

709
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, But she's, like I said, she's a quite resilient

710
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 5: and athletic.

711
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: And they did do a bit of training night.

712
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: I'm all for kids doing martial arts because I think

713
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 5: it's great for life skills as well.

714
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: I took Oscar down to to jiu jitsu for the first.

715
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Time just to have a look. Scare the ship out

716
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: of me. It's gone. It's gone. He doesn't want to

717
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: go back.

718
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 5: We did.

719
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: We had a little conversation before the podcast. There was

720
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: one particular injury that took place with one of your daughters,

721
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: and I think all parents have played with the kids

722
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: and caused an injury.

723
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: I definitely have.

724
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: Laura has always like stopped throwing around like that. Accidental

725
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: of course, of course.

726
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this happened a couple of times. That sounds bad. Yeah,

727
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: So we've so the middle One.

728
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: So I remember what I was over in New Zealand

729
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: for I think it was for a fight camp, and yeah,

730
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 5: so I take them over whenever I do a bit

731
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: of a traveling. A lot of times I'm taking it

732
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: with me because I don't want to be away for

733
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 5: too long. So we're at a park and then I

734
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 5: remember there was stairs all the way down at the

735
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 5: park and we had to go because I were leaving

736
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 5: that day, were actually going to fly home that day,

737
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 5: and so we're going to go and she's crying.

738
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: She didn't want to leave, as kids do. I'm like,

739
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 4: I've got to go, We've got to go.

740
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 5: I'm holding the hand and we're trying to go up

741
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 5: and she's trying to pull herself back.

742
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, come on, we're going.

743
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 5: And then she ends up like sort of filing, but

744
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: she's like crying, still crying. I'm like, she's still bloody,

745
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 5: carrying on like you know. It's by the time we

746
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: got to the car. So because she was still crying,

747
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 5: I put her in the car. I remember seeing it

748
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: and then I'm seeing her sort of hold her arm

749
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 5: by this and I'm looking at it.

750
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, she's on her arm. Wed I'm like, I

751
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: didn't know.

752
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it's nothing.

753
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: She's still going. I'm like, check her arm, and I

754
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 4: don't know if something's happened. I'm like, you're kidding, Please

755
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 4: don't tell me.

756
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I broke it free.

757
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting there and then I ended up seeing

758
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 5: like a Then I realized it was her, and I'm

759
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 5: like that would have been from me carrying. I'm like,

760
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: I broke my kid's arm. How am I going to

761
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: tell the hospital this? To tell people this, I'm like,

762
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: you're a kid, and I'm like, oh, far out. I'll

763
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 5: go there and like, and mind you, we have to

764
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: be at the airport within an hour or a couple

765
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 5: of hours. So we're I'm freaking out exactly. We're like, well, man,

766
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 5: what's going on? I went to the wrong spot I

767
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 5: took her to, like I wanted to drop her off

768
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 5: and I was going to find parking.

769
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 4: I end up taking to an old folks home.

770
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 5: I think she's driving around like trying to find the spot.

771
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: We're like, it's chaos, and I'm like, she's bringing back

772
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 5: this isn't the place.

773
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 4: Pick me back up?

774
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 5: And more I go back up, pick up, go there

775
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 5: she's going and I find a car buck and I

776
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 5: run in and it's quite common, so they can dissicate

777
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 5: their elbow a little bit.

778
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: Some some kids, some kids.

779
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 5: Can be a little more vulnerable there, especially when they're younger.

780
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: That's why they say never pick them up by their arms,

781
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 5: pull them out of the pool and things like that

782
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 5: like that, and they say, yeah, you don't do that

783
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: because this can Happen'm like, what I've been doing this forever,

784
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like I've been doing this forever.

785
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: I'm like there's probably loose ligaments from me doing that.

786
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: Now I'm blaming my song that you know, it's her arms.

787
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: She's more vulnerable because of the cause of that, because

788
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 5: of me. But but yeah, so that happened a couple

789
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 5: of times. And then we even had her auntie, so

790
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: my wife's sister. They're on a board bodyboard and like

791
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 5: you a pulling her on the bodyboard over here, and

792
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 5: like the same thing happened. Had to take her and

793
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 5: like we had to tell her like oh, it can

794
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 5: be just quite She's like freaking out.

795
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: Like what I've just it's never happened before. That's all

796
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: I need.

797
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: It's happened like the three three times I think even

798
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 5: you know, like yes, so now we look at it

799
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: look like terrible parents. Now, so even the wife. So

800
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: we didn't know that she was going to be more

801
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 5: vulnerable than others. We knew that it's common for that

802
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 5: to happen, but she was more vulnerable, Like it started.

803
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Being very easy for this to happen.

804
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: I remember Emma was because Eli was hitting sister with

805
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: a thing, and then Emma's like grabbed.

806
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: Hey, that's enough. I pulled it off just from pulling

807
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: the toy out of her hand.

808
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 5: And then she starts crying like, go on there looking

809
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: back and then realize, your kid, these things happened again.

810
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: It's popped out again.

811
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 5: It popped out from her taking a toy, so she's

812
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: not hitting her sister with Like so what do you tell?

813
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: Is that going? How dare you take that you should

814
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: just let her kick? I mean that's parent for you. Yeah,

815
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: you're damned if you do.

816
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: Your dad, it's always at least you treated the injury

817
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: if it makes you feel any better. I once broke

818
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: my arm and my mom thought I was faking it,

819
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: so I broken on for two days before she took

820
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: it to the doctors. So you're doing a good job.

821
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've got a story, and I told

822
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 5: you that my mom would be watching.

823
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to tell us. She's

824
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: going to feel ter. You can't back out.

825
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: Sorry, mom, it's not your fault, and said, actually, these

826
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: accidents happen accidents, So yeah, exactly. So supposedly I was

827
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 5: meant to be napping and as you do, like back then,

828
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: they didn't have the monitors like we do now, sleeping,

829
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: you know, you let them go there and sleep, and

830
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: I think she was in another room and me being

831
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 5: I think, like I said, I've always been a resilient

832
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 5: durbile fellow. But supposedly a lady's one of my aunties

833
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 5: or something was walking past the window and seeing me

834
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 5: like half out of my cot, like with my neck,

835
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 5: just getting my choke like this. So I was like

836
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 5: getting like a half out like a The cots aren't

837
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 5: like as safe as our now as well, sorry mama,

838
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: I mean way way. I'm going to thank you for

839
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: this though. So one second, so I'm in there and

840
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 5: then she's like going there I think it was Monica maybe,

841
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 5: and end up telling and they've run in and I

842
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 5: got me. So I was like hanging out the cot

843
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 5: like off with my neck like stuck with contrax. Yeah,

844
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 5: I was conscious, I was all right, so you know,

845
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 5: but I was just she thought I was asleep. And

846
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: I'm not making any noise noises because I'm just like.

847
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: You, just understanding.

848
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: What do I do? You know what I mean laughing.

849
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: Most probably would cry. I just didn't cry.

850
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 5: But yeah, so that happened, and you know, she obviously

851
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 5: I remember telling the story, and like, obviously she feels terrible,

852
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 5: and she's gonna hate me telling this story. So I'm

853
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 5: quite I'm quite upset that I told this story. But

854
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 5: now people want to ask me how.

855
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 4: Did I get out of that? And because that one time,

856
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: thanks mom.

857
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: See conditioning from panicing, he can still breathe, you know,

858
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: just she was trying to make me durable.

859
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: When she was probably watching that have on fold on

860
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: in the in the he's got this.

861
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: He's probably she was probably the only person going. We've

862
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: been training for this, been training for thirty years.

863
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: Some of these things happened to me a couple of times.

864
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 5: I remember, and again this is not her fault. I

865
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 5: remember walking on her on a train and the gaps

866
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 5: between the trains used to be a bit bigger. Oh yeah,

867
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 5: so I remember, yeah, I remember walking. I felt like

868
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: straight up, I fell straight down. Don't know how my

869
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 5: head didn't get caught, for one could have been really bad.

870
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: And I was stuck under the train for a bit

871
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: like everyone's trying to stop them, and then they're like

872
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 5: trying to get me up.

873
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: They end up getting me up anyway, But.

874
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: That picked the wrong guy to try and choke it.

875
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 4: I probably should have added, oh, you stangler or my negger.

876
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 5: I don't want to lie, but I mean there's been

877
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 5: a couple of little stories like that, so now you

878
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 5: know why I've got good choke defense.

879
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: Well with your kids now, coming from a place where

880
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: you had to and I think it's probably just the

881
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: environment that you were brought up in having that resilience,

882
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: how do you try and instill that resilience in your

883
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: kids now?

884
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: I mean that's it's hard, right, like, because it's.

885
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 5: You can't expect to you know, you can't expect to

886
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 5: kids or everyone to be able to deal with things

887
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: how you like we do.

888
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: Or like or how Why did It's hard because I

889
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: came from a background, single mum, one of five kids.

890
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: If I wanted a new pair of shoes, I'd have

891
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: to wait for my brother to go out of them,

892
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: whereas my daughter now if she wants a new pair

893
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: of shoes.

894
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's get to us.

895
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: But of course, why wouldn't I want to provide for you,

896
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: because I want to give you, you know, the life that

897
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: I didn't get to have.

898
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 4: But we want to balance here, don't we. Yeah, that's

899
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 4: the problem.

900
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: I think.

901
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm the same, so I try.

902
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, So they're the I feel like I don't

903
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: want to give them what I can give them right now,

904
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 5: because you know, I want again, I wouldn't want them

905
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: to be spoiled and not be able to deal with

906
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 5: things later in life, you know what I mean, because

907
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: you've got to get them ready for that. But then

908
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 5: I feel like I can be too much on mone end. Yeah,

909
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 5: and then yeah, and then I'm like, well, no, maybe

910
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 5: I'm being too much. I go this way, and now

911
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 5: I'll do mixed messages, mixed.

912
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: I'll get to like the end of the day and

913
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: it's like Oscar, We're at the.

914
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: Shops and he's got like three things that you know,

915
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: I've just gone, okay, yeah, why not I can I

916
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: can get these for you? And then as I get

917
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: to the end of the day, like he's going to

918
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: get spots. I need to try and cut.

919
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: Him down somehow.

920
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: You can't have that your sister resilient.

921
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.

922
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 5: It's it's so hard, like you want to you want

923
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 5: to try and find the balance here and yeah, and

924
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 5: then like you just you think this way is better

925
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: for a bit, and then a month later you're like, on,

926
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 5: I think, you know, in this case, I might be

927
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 5: able to should treat this differently. And that's mixed messaging again.

928
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 5: And I mean like, and then I feel like I

929
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 5: failed because I've been doing it wrong this whole time,

930
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 5: and then I find it out I did it wrong again,

931
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 5: Like I mean, a parent isn't easy, especially when you're

932
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 5: but I mean, one thing I can say, if you

933
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 5: are having them pressures, you're putting them pressures on yourself

934
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 5: and you're feeling guilty and all that, at least you care,

935
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 5: at least you're trying. At least you're trying to do something,

936
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. There's I guarantee there's going

937
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: to be parents out there that aren't trying.

938
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: They're just like whatever's easiest. It's hard work. I love

939
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: the messaging is like, it's like, just do the best

940
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: you can, right.

941
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 5: Yes, Because I was talking to my mum last night

942
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 5: and this conversation come up when I was talking about

943
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 5: you know, you put that pressure and like she's like,

944
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: stop putting pressure on yourself, like you know, he's doing

945
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 5: a great job and.

946
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

947
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 5: It's like you know, and then they're like, you want

948
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 5: like and there's going to come age where they're just

949
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: going to have to figure it out themselves.

950
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, but I.

951
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: Want to mold them into you know, I want them

952
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 5: to be in a better position, the best position possible

953
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: for them to figure things out.

954
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

955
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: For sure, you talked before about that guilt of a parent,

956
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: and I don't know if this is something that you

957
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: have to deal with. But when you're in a training

958
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: camp and you've got to be so focused on the fight,

959
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: do you ever have to deal internally with the guilt

960
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: that your work takes you away from the family.

961
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 5: Well, I've never let it take me away too much,

962
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 5: So that's why I've always it's always just been fighting

963
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 5: in family to me. So one thing that was harder

964
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 5: for me was being myself.

965
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: I never had time to just be myself, So.

966
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: I was always fighter or dad and whatever energy I

967
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 5: could give to the femlis like it would be obviously

968
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 5: a type of energy that obviously I'm still going to

969
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 5: do things with them, but I mean it's gonna I've

970
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 5: got to be calculated with that energy because I know

971
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 5: I've got to do another two sessions in the afternoon

972
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: with a calorie deficit. So I'm trying to you know,

973
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 5: I can't just sit there and take them here and

974
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 5: like yesterday, are you know, I'm running around here and there,

975
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 5: like I.

976
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: Don't have the time of the day when I'm in

977
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: camp to do that.

978
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 5: Now I do, and I don't have the energy to

979
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 5: do that, So I've got to be a lot more

980
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 5: calculated in that sense.

981
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: But I mean, it never gave me more time for

982
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 4: other things.

983
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: So one thing that I'm proud of and I'm glad

984
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 5: I always made sure that it was fighting and family,

985
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 5: so I was always able to fit them to in.

986
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: Are you finding that your time now that you've got

987
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: you've decided.

988
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: To like, I've never been so free, I feel like it.

989
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: Especially at first it was weird.

990
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: I just lost my world title that I had for

991
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 5: almost four and a half years. Just lost it within

992
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 5: a week or two. I felt so free and happy.

993
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, how is this happened? I just lost two

994
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 5: weeks ago. I lost interesting, it was weird. I was

995
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 5: just like, big weight left off my shoulders. All right,

996
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 5: I don't need to train in the afternoon. Let's go

997
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 5: all out, let's go.

998
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: They must love they must love having it. Oh yeah,

999
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: for sure.

1000
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 5: So it was great even on the holiday, not feeling guilty.

1001
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: I should be training.

1002
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 4: I should be here.

1003
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: Are your kids?

1004
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Like dad?

1005
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: Leave us alone?

1006
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: They love it?

1007
00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: They love it.

1008
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: I said energy was always put engineer, But I mean

1009
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: I could just do so much more with it.

1010
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: Now you get a bit more energy. Now, maybe you

1011
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: could have a fourth.

1012
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: Maybe.

1013
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 4: Now I'm done. It's funny.

1014
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 5: I'm worried about doing that and losing. I don't know

1015
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 5: if that's going to face with my fighting, right yeah,

1016
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 5: so I'm like, what if that interferes with some ok yeah, better.

1017
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: Fighter, Okay, much better pillow fighter.

1018
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: I mean it's yeah, now I'm done. It's funny. I think,

1019
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: when did I.

1020
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 5: Say this, like I said this stuff said, I've said

1021
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 5: this to Yeah exactly, I did, But I said that

1022
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 5: tapping out. I don't tap out to march. I don't

1023
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: tap to anything, but I've tapping out to have a

1024
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 5: trying another. But I remember saying that that's what that

1025
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 5: brings another funny story with my kids.

1026
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 4: I remember, it's just it's short of shows.

1027
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: When you're asking how do you try and train them

1028
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 5: to be like resilient and all that, I think it's

1029
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: just going to rub off in how I am so

1030
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 5: so I remember I end up saying I don't know

1031
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 5: what it was for. I don't know what we're doing.

1032
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 5: Something was happening there they're going. Then I'm like, oh, no, no, no,

1033
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 5: I give up. I said something like I give up,

1034
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 5: or you know, I give up. I can't do it

1035
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 5: like that. And then my little one here she goes Daddy.

1036
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe that I said I give up.

1037
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: I swore.

1038
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 5: Daddy was upset that I gave up. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1039
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: there you go.

1040
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: I'm doing something right here, you know what I mean?

1041
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: So I must be rubbing off.

1042
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: My last question is when you are an old man

1043
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: and a much older man, you know, when you got

1044
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna say.

1045
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: Gray hair, but I'm gonna let people see it.

1046
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: But when you.

1047
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: Were a much older man, and your children have grown up,

1048
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: they've left home, what do you want them to remember

1049
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: about the house that they grew up in?

1050
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mmm. Good question.

1051
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: It's a hard one to end.

1052
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 5: It's a good question because I'm always looking at it

1053
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 5: where I want them to be ready for this. I'm

1054
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 5: always looking, as you know, putting them in the best position.

1055
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 5: But how do I want to look at it this way?

1056
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 5: It's obviously times change. People are you know how parenting

1057
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: was back in the day we growing up.

1058
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: But I know that, so I don't look at it.

1059
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: When I look back at it, I know they did

1060
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: the best thing they could in them times and what

1061
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 5: and then you know what I mean. So I just

1062
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 5: hope that if I did do things wrong or some

1063
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 5: I hope they knew that. I just we try that

1064
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 5: best and I tried.

1065
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: You know, thank you for allowing us to come into

1066
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: your home.

1067
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: All I thank you.

1068
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: Definitely definitely different obviously, again, as we talked earlier about.

1069
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's going to ask me fighting questions.

1070
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: Obviously, it's going to always more about the man. Yeah, exactly,

1071
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 5: the dad I mean, Yeah, there's plenty more and more.

1072
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 4: Stories of those.

1073
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to sacrifice more for my kids.

1074
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm just about to start off. I mean, that's just it.

1075
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 5: We all sacrifice more more than enough, that's for sure.

1076
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: Some people just do it in there all different ways.

1077
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 5: Maybe I get punched for a living.

1078
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 4: I'm sacrificing a bit of a brain damage.

1079
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: Maybe one more big shout out to the Volt for

1080
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: letting us into his home down in the Gong.

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00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: What an absolute legend.

1082
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,480
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1092
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