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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us this morning, we have got the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Youth, People, Sport and Culture, Jinsen Charles.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Good morning, getan good morning to our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Lovely to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: We've got the head of news for the Northern Territory News,

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Speaker 1: Gary Shipway.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Gary, and of.

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Speaker 1: Course yeah it's a beautiful day, hey, and there's so

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Speaker 1: much happening over the weekend. We'll talk about that a

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Speaker 1: bit later, but it's certainly a good time to be

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory. And of course joining us from

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Speaker 1: the Labor Party, we have got the Deputy Opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Duran Young.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Duran, Good morning Caty, and good morning to

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Speaker 4: all your listeners and everyone in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Oh good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Now. I tell you what, there's a lot to cover

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Speaker 1: off on this week, as there always is, but I

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Speaker 1: do just want to touch on a topic that we're

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Speaker 1: probably not going to be able to talk too much about,

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Speaker 1: but I know our listeners certainly want an update on

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Speaker 1: and that is the Matt Wright court case. Now crocodile

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Speaker 1: farmer Mick Burns and former police officer Neil Mellon. I've

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Speaker 1: given evidence in the Supreme Court trial of Matt Wright,

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Speaker 1: with Mick Burbage expected to take the witness stand today now.

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Speaker 1: Mister Wright's facing three counts of perverting the course of

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Speaker 1: justice in relation to that chopper crash that killed Chris

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Speaker 1: Willow Wilson in twenty twenty two, and has pleaded not

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Speaker 1: guilty to all charges. The crown case is that mister

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Speaker 1: Wright didn't properly record flight hours on the crash chopper,

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Speaker 1: and put the hard word on injured pilot Sebastian Robinson

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Speaker 1: to doctor flight hours now. In his evidence, Neil Mellon

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Speaker 1: said that he was told to take control at the

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Speaker 1: crash scene with police unable to send a chopper, adding

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Speaker 1: that he removed a gun and a phone from mister

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Speaker 1: Wilson's body. He said it was then that he heard

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Speaker 1: a fleeting comment by pilot Mick Burbage that mister Wilson's

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Speaker 1: wife Danny didn't need to know what was on the phone,

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Speaker 1: and months later was told that it was gone in

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Speaker 1: the ocean. Now, the jury was told that they would

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Speaker 1: hear covert recordings from mister Wright's home in the trial,

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Speaker 1: which the prosecution claim provide evidence that mister Wright tried

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Speaker 1: to have documents relating to the crash Chopper destroyed. In

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Speaker 1: his opening argument, defense barrister David Edwardson said that mister

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Speaker 1: Wright emphatically denies the allegations, adding that much of the

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Speaker 1: prosecution case was based on its interpretation of poor quality recordings.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I'll say, we're obviously being very careful what

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Speaker 1: is said here, but it is, I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: a case that's really captivating the nation, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Gary.

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Speaker 5: It has a lot of national international tension. Obviously, a

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Speaker 5: case that sort of sits alongsides of Lil Indie Chamberlain

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Speaker 5: and the Peter Falconia cases in terms of the level

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Speaker 5: of interest. I mean, yesterday was quite an emotional day

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Speaker 5: for one of Willow's closest Friendsmic Barons, who gave evidence

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Speaker 5: yesterday and very very sad story of being there there

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Speaker 5: and mother and father that he had passed, and so

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Speaker 5: much tragedy in all of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And I think that sometimes you know, we get caught

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Speaker 1: up in the sideshow that is you know, that is

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Speaker 1: the court case. But fundamentally, you know, a family's lost

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the the impact on the on the children obviously

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Speaker 5: not having their father there, and you know it's one

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Speaker 5: of those cases it's so hard to fathom, you know

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Speaker 5: what everyone's going through.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Well, look, we will move along.

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Speaker 1: As I said, there is plenty to discuss this week.

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Speaker 1: And another situation that certainly I guess raised eyebrows and

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors told a bail.

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Speaker 1: Hearing earlier this week that there'd been ongoing tensions between

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Speaker 1: the show had escalated. Now, lawyers for the accused told

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Speaker 1: bailed to a youth bail facility with strict conditions. What

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Speaker 3: Katie, when it comes to the situation, So the DPP

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Speaker 3: no further risk to the community safety is there and

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Speaker 3: So it's a matter in front of the court, and

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Speaker 3: I can't criticize that process. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: same cycle. And that's what we want as a government

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Speaker 3: like thus legislation. We are just we change the legislation,

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Speaker 3: and the legislation that we changed earlier already making significant impact.

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Speaker 3: And there was some data and sets came out around

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Speaker 3: But at the same time like we just need to

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Speaker 5: You're right, Jins, And the tools are there for the

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Speaker 5: judiciary when we've said that before, they have that. You

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Speaker 5: give the judiciary of the tools, that's all you can do,

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Speaker 5: and then it's up to the judiciary to implement those

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Speaker 5: to see them implemented. But one of the things we're

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Speaker 5: that the young gentleman, the boy has an ankle monitoring

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Speaker 5: the permission was given to go out part of the

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Speaker 1: I mean, Duran, what do you make of this situation?

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Speaker 1: Obviously people are expecting the government to bring in and

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Speaker 2: You make of it all?

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie. Yeah, it's obviously quite concerning what's occurred in

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Speaker 4: terms of the circumstances of this young child's mental health issues.

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Speaker 4: And also my thoughts go out to the victim in

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Speaker 4: and you know, this is his first time offense. So

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Speaker 4: what we're you know, I think anyone would be hoping

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Speaker 4: ensure that when he is released from that Bale center,

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Speaker 4: that the community is safe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's spot on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, fundamentally, that's what we need to make sure of,

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Speaker 1: offend further. Now, we also learned, of course, earlier in

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothby said the latest figures proved the government

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Speaker 1: strong reforms are working. Justice outcome. Since Decland's law began

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Speaker 1: in January, over three three hundred people refuse bail.

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Speaker 2: That's up forty.

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Speaker 1: Four percent compared to the same period as you touched

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Speaker 1: last year. Now, despite the increase, the COLP government reckoned

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Speaker 1: What do you think that shows that your government's doing so?

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Speaker 3: I think I strongly believe that I think old government

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Speaker 3: But again, as you mentioned, like we're still seeing like

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Speaker 3: and we want to support that. And the legislation that

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Speaker 3: I believe like the Tourney General and the Corrections Minister

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Speaker 1: I mean, Doran, the Labor Party has been pretty you

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Speaker 1: guys have been pushing pretty hard saying that the changes

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Speaker 1: you think of the fact that more than three thousand

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I've been speaking to many community members when

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Speaker 4: and people definitely don't feel any safer through these laws

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Speaker 2: Now. This week, Northern.

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Speaker 1: Territory Police overwhelmingly rejected the Northern Territory government's payoffer, after

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Speaker 4: in our remote communities where you have many shortages of

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Speaker 4: police out in our communities. But I just want to

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Speaker 4: pick up on Jensen's point and just clarify it is

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Speaker 4: the Joe Hersey, Minister for Public Employment that's sponsor for this,

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Speaker 4: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: The conditioner.

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Speaker 4: The reason I asked that is because last week in

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Speaker 4: Parliament we actually asked a question about this pay dispute

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Speaker 4: and the payoffer that was going on to the Minister

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Speaker 4: for Public Employment. She clearly knew nothing about it and

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Speaker 4: just bobbed it off to the Chief Minister to try

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Speaker 4: and answer the question. I mean, that's quite concerning.

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Speaker 3: That, but I don't think it was just about that

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Speaker 3: was something to the police when it comes to that,

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Speaker 3: and she.

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Speaker 4: Is responsible that she handled that question to the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 4: which is even more concerning that you would think that

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Speaker 4: she would meet Jojos, you would go and meet with

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Speaker 4: the NTPA along with the Chief Minister around what.

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Speaker 1: We were trying to get to the bottom of what what

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Speaker 1: what was the question or what were you trying to

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Speaker 1: sort of? What were you trying to ask of Minister Hersey.

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Speaker 4: The question was around the payoffer that that's been negotiated

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Speaker 4: and whether she's been across it and she didn't know

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Speaker 4: anything about it, which clearly I'm not sure if she's

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Speaker 4: met with the NTPA along with the Chief Minister to

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Speaker 4: look at where those negotiations are at, but she quickly

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Speaker 4: handled it to the Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I know that that Nathan Finn along with

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Speaker 1: the union certainly seem like they, you know, they want

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Speaker 1: to get this issue sorted. When we spoke to Finny

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week, I mean saying that one one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty members had taken part in that ballot,

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Speaker 1: eighty one percent of them voting no to the consent agreement. However,

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Speaker 1: you look at it there's no doubt that everybody needs

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Speaker 1: to get back to the table. They need to get

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Speaker 1: this sorted because you know, I think we all agree

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Speaker 1: that the biggest issue that we've had for quite some

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Speaker 1: time in the Northern Territory is crime. You know, the

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Speaker 1: people on the front line dealing with that issue every

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Speaker 1: single day are our hard working men and women in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Force. So we've got to try

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Speaker 1: and get the issue sorted, and sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: The last thing we want is for them to be

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Speaker 1: moving to other states.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're absolutely correct. They're cuddy because I mean,

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Speaker 5: every single one of those police officers is important to

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Speaker 5: the safety of territories and we do need to get

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Speaker 5: a resolution and we need to be a point of

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Speaker 5: difference to stop the leakage to Queensland and w A

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Speaker 5: and particularly because these states are so desperate to get

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Speaker 5: officers there. They're out there, they run campaigns all around.

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Speaker 5: In New Zealand, we do too, of course, but you

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Speaker 5: know we're competing there for it, that's right, police officers

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Speaker 5: from there. So it's a very competitive market because of

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Speaker 5: the nature of the work. It's brutal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to bring them to the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: No, I totally agree, and again like I just need

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Speaker 3: to clarify, I haven't got that information yet, but that

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Speaker 3: question wasn't related to the negotiation, not any of those processes.

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Speaker 3: So whenever it come ins to operational matters, it always

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Speaker 3: goes to the Police Minister, which is Chief Minister, and

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Speaker 3: when it comes to this negotiation always sits with the

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Speaker 3: public service world.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a really quick break when we

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Speaker 1: come back. Very keen to talk about some changes to

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Speaker 1: maternity services at Royal Darwin Hospital and what it means

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Speaker 1: more broadly across the Northern Territory. Also keen to discuss

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Speaker 1: the local council elections.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty going on.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, you're listening to Mix one O four nine's

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Speaker 1: three sixty. Well, if you've just joined us in the

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Speaker 1: studio this morning, we've got we have got Jins and Charles,

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Speaker 1: Minister Jins and Charles. We've also got Gary Shipway from

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Speaker 1: the NT News and we've got Duran Young from Labor

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Speaker 1: on the line. Now. Lots happening this week, but one

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Speaker 1: of the issues that really did raise concerns, certainly amongst

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Women and Families. Is the fact that we've

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Speaker 1: seen a letter advising that Midwiffrey Group practice on call

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Speaker 1: services have been stopped while the reviews carried out to

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Speaker 1: ensure the departments say that the model is sustainable. Now,

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Speaker 1: the letter states and anti natal and post natal appointments

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Speaker 1: are going to be conduct by maternity Group services teams

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Speaker 1: during business hours and that labor and birth care is

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Speaker 1: then going to be provided by midwives and doctors in

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Speaker 1: the delivery suite, which will also handle after ours calls

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Speaker 1: to midwives. The letter goes on to say that planned

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Speaker 1: home births will be supported, but at times support could

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Speaker 1: be unavailable due to staffing limitations. Now we've spoken to

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Speaker 1: a number of mums. We spoke to two fairly concerned

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Speaker 1: mothers earlier this week, one of whom raised this issue

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Speaker 1: for us and let us know exactly.

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Speaker 2: What was going on.

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Speaker 1: Another of those mums actually lives out in a community

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Speaker 1: near Daily River and had called in to say Katie,

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Speaker 1: I'm really worried about the way in which these changes

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Speaker 1: are going to impact me as she is set to

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Speaker 1: have her second child. And this follows concerns raised just

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago where we had a mum call us

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Speaker 1: from the maternity ward after she had gone up to

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Speaker 1: up to the hospital in labor, they had sent her home.

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Speaker 1: She then gave birth at home, her mum catching the

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Speaker 1: baby and obviously then had to go back to the

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Speaker 1: hospital after delivering that. Bob, I mean, are we in

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Speaker 1: a situation here where our maternity services where we just

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Speaker 1: do not have the resources to be able to, you know,

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Speaker 1: to do what families expect.

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Speaker 3: So when it comes to this, and the letter that

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Speaker 3: was gone out on late last week over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: so it was around like a review that thend Health

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Speaker 3: is currently doing for a period of four weeks and

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Speaker 3: that's a temporary measure in place, which is directly related

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Speaker 3: to the current staffing crisis they are going through as well.

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Speaker 3: So again like this is a temporary measure and what

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Speaker 3: I want do in forces aboard, like it's not going

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Speaker 3: to make any changes to that INTI natal and personal

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Speaker 3: appointments because we are hearing about like changes in the

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Speaker 3: maternity services a lot over the last few months, including

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Speaker 3: the closure of the private hospital. So that means like

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Speaker 3: it's kind of like triggering and sat into people, especially

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Speaker 3: when you're in a situation and expecting mom and for

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Speaker 3: the family. So we just wanted to make it clear

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Speaker 3: that it's only like a one component of that service

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Speaker 3: has been affected, and that is still going to work

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Speaker 3: during the business overs and when it going to the

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Speaker 3: after hours, they still will receive the support, but unfortunately

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Speaker 3: that's directly from the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Look, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I get that it's only for a temporary period of time,

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Speaker 1: So four weeks is what we're being told. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the fact is here moms are seriously concerned, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're worried. And the way that I look at it

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Speaker 1: is I sort of go, well, you know, I have

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Speaker 1: my first child here in the Northern Territory fourteen years ago,

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Speaker 1: and it seems like things are going backwards, not getting better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, and that's fair point. As I've said

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Speaker 5: here before, both my children were born here, one in

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Speaker 5: the private one in the public hospital, and we had

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Speaker 5: outstanding service. We were lucky, you know, it was everything

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Speaker 5: was functioning properly in terms of what the delivery, the

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Speaker 5: numbers of the staff. So this, yeah, this is a

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Speaker 5: clear issue out there. And MPa actually why they're recognized

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Speaker 5: for their work. Last year they were up for an

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Speaker 5: award in a national awards and quite a quite a

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Speaker 5: quite a prestigious So yeah, I mean it's a problem

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Speaker 5: that the government's really got to fix and fix quickly.

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Speaker 1: Well, and this is the thing, you know, we talk

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Speaker 1: about growing the population, we talk about Darwin being you know,

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Speaker 1: a really livable place, the top end more generally, the

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Speaker 1: northern territory more generally, But if women feel as though

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Speaker 1: they are not going to be able to get you know,

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Speaker 1: to get the service that they expect, or to have

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Speaker 1: choice as well, because that's the other part of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got the maternity ward there at the

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Speaker 1: Darwin Private Hospital is no longer operating. We know that

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Speaker 1: the two well two of the obstetricians. Now my understanding

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Speaker 1: is that one at least is not going to be

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Speaker 1: continuing those maternity services post December, so post the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. When you look at those choices that

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Speaker 1: women have, they're diminished. I mean, Duran I touched on

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Speaker 1: the fact that we actually spoke to Leana or a

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Speaker 1: mum who's out in a community near daily.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Woody.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the full name of that community, but

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Speaker 1: you know then yeah, I think so, And you know,

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Speaker 1: seriously concerned in for herself in terms of having that

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Speaker 1: second bub and not knowing you know, what it's all

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Speaker 1: going to kind of.

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Speaker 2: Look like for her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's right. I think anyone that's a patient

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Speaker 4: and needing to come to Darwin to give birth should

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Speaker 4: be concerned. I mean this came through from a review

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Speaker 4: from the mid Library Group Practice. But what was concerning

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Speaker 4: was a lot of the nurses only found out through

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Speaker 4: their patients that this service would no longer be happening

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Speaker 4: because the government have decided to put a review. And

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Speaker 4: it looks like to me it looks like there's been

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Speaker 4: a bit of a cut, maybe a savings cost, I'm

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Speaker 4: not too sure. But I also pick up on you

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Speaker 4: know that the mother that went in because she went

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Speaker 4: into labor and was refused service. And what's concerning is,

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Speaker 4: and I've brought it up a number of times in

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Speaker 4: estimates in the Parliament, is around what calling code yellows

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Speaker 4: and importance of that. And you know, we've heard from many,

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Speaker 4: many people that it keeps being blocked by the government

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Speaker 4: to call code yellows. Now, I know they've come out

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Speaker 4: recently and called a few code yellows, but I mean

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Speaker 4: that needs to be looked at because when a hospital

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Speaker 4: is under strain and stress, they're able to look at

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Speaker 4: the priority of the patients and the resources and be

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Speaker 4: able to get that high level of care where it's

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Speaker 4: needed for emergencies or for mothers that may be arriving

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Speaker 4: at hospital to give birth. And that's I think that's

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Speaker 4: quite concerning as well. From the government.

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Speaker 3: It's OK. I just need to add that when it

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Speaker 3: comes to the review and then they're trying to sell

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Speaker 3: a government is trying to implement some reveal, I just

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Speaker 3: need to say, like, this is an intellnal review done

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Speaker 3: by then d Health and specifically in the Midway Free Union,

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Speaker 3: so there is nowhere that the government is going to

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Speaker 3: interfere to any of those operationional matters. And what we

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Speaker 3: wanted to do is about, like we want to support

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Speaker 3: and Minister Jington is working close with the NDAIL.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but even now I've just had somebody

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Speaker 1: contact us saying Katie, you know knowing that you're talking

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Speaker 1: about these maternity services. These issues aren't about criticizing staff,

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Speaker 1: it's about resources. Women are meant to be put straight

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Speaker 1: into into a birth suite, but many are laboring in

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Speaker 1: waiting rooms or tea rooms for hours while waiting for

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Speaker 1: a suite to be available, either because they're full or

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Speaker 1: still being clean. So those birthing suites which can take

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Speaker 1: two and a half or they're saying can take up

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Speaker 1: to two hours. There that even these women laboring in

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Speaker 1: shared bathrooms. And look, you know, I take on board

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Speaker 1: what you're saying that obviously it's an internal review. My

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Speaker 1: understanding of it as well is that there are staffing issues.

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Speaker 1: So I think we're about four staff down, and we

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Speaker 1: did speak to Cath Hatche yesterday from the Nursing and

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Speaker 1: Midwifree union as well. But what I know is that

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Speaker 1: something has to be done Differently. Women are not going

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Speaker 1: to put up with They're not going to you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to sort of you know, be happy

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Speaker 1: about the situation that is currently unfolding. And like I've

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Speaker 1: just read out, it's not a criticism of the staff.

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Speaker 1: The staff do an incredible job. In fact, I really

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Speaker 1: feel for the staff at this point, particularly when they're

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Speaker 1: just finding out about some of these changes through a

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Speaker 1: letter that then their patients are raising with them.

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Speaker 2: But we've got to make.

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Speaker 1: Sure that we you know, that we have services available

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Speaker 1: for everybody if and when they go in to have

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Speaker 1: a bub.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it means, I say, it's one of

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Speaker 5: these problems that government needs to get on top of them,

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Speaker 5: needs to get on top of quickly. It's not only about

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Speaker 5: also that the women here right now it's a major

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Speaker 5: concern for them. But then it's as a community, it's

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Speaker 5: about libability. And you know, we've just had a reasonably

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Speaker 5: good dry season, but a lot of tourist comes down,

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Speaker 5: a lot of people come town for the first time,

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Speaker 5: and I've heard people saying, she said, I'd love to

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Speaker 5: go live in Darwin, but then you talk about liverability

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Speaker 5: and what you've got here, and then makes people think

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Speaker 5: twice about whether Darwin's the right choice. And that also

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Speaker 5: goes down to defense forces as well, who we have

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Speaker 5: a major stake here in the lordn territory. So these

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Speaker 5: sorts of things really it should be.

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Speaker 1: Prior and just I just had a message saying another

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Speaker 1: change is that women can no longer call their midwife

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Speaker 1: during business hours, only the ward after hours. But the

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Speaker 1: wards already at capacity and sometimes you're they're unable to

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Speaker 1: answer the phone and stretched caring for women already admitted

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Speaker 1: how will they have the time to give proper support

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Speaker 1: over the phone. You know, these are the kind of

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Speaker 1: concerns now that are being raised by mums now. I

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Speaker 1: do just want to let you know, Duran, it was

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Speaker 1: the community, not Woolliana. It was Woody Couple Deer I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it was that community that they called him from.

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Speaker 1: And again same sort of concern there where she was saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, not able to know to call through and

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Speaker 1: actually be able to speak to somebody, and the worries

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Speaker 1: then about making sure that she's able to get in.

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Speaker 1: But look, we are going to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: We will continue that discussion around maternity services after ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be catching up with the Department of Health.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break though.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, still keen to discuss well, the

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Speaker 1: local government election, zad aha, it's certainly in full swing. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you've just joined us, you've missed out on a

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Speaker 1: busy hour in the studio with us this morning. We've

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Speaker 1: got Minister Jensen Charles, head of News at the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory News, as well Gary Shipway and Deputy Labor Opposition

711
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Speaker 1: leader Duran Young on the line with us too. Now,

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, we've got a bit of a

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Speaker 1: better understanding now of who's running in the local government elections.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen people putting their hand up for Darwin, Palmerston and Litchfield.

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Speaker 1: We've got six, Catherine we have seven, and Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: there's also seven. And then of course we've got the

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Speaker 1: more regional and remote local councils also. But I tell

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Speaker 1: you what, thirteen running for the mayor of Darwin. It's intense,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, Gary of thousands.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen so many election posters up. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's we always used to seeing territory elections and federal elections. Wow,

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Speaker 5: it's a colorful sight out.

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Speaker 2: There, it is.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, it's become quite a sort of

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Speaker 1: nasty race to become, you know, a counselor as well.

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Speaker 2: Across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: I've seen some really nasty posts online on social media.

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Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of posters being defaced. You know, It's

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Speaker 1: like I just always think I understand you know that

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Speaker 1: their politics whatever level you're looking at, you know, you

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Speaker 1: get like there's robust debate. You can become, you know,

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Speaker 1: even here on a Friday sometimes we get a bit,

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Speaker 1: you know, you get a bit heated, but at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, hate the game, not

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Speaker 1: the player. And I just think that, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to tear other people down in order to to lift

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Speaker 1: yourself up is not the way to win any kind

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Speaker 1: of election.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there has been some particularly ugly goings on in

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Speaker 5: some more than just people stealing posters and knocking them

741
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Speaker 5: over and all that sort of stuff. So yeah, it

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Speaker 5: has been disturbing in that regard because I mean, we're

743
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Speaker 5: so used to territory elections being ferocious. But you know, well,

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Speaker 5: you know what you're seeing now is it's a whole

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Speaker 5: It's a different scale. I'm not used to seeing this

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Speaker 5: for a local council election.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see like more number of people are

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Speaker 3: coming out and putting their hands up, so like the

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Speaker 3: individuals who waters will have like more choice. And but

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Speaker 3: when it comes to this antisocial behaviors and when I

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Speaker 3: ran for the elections, will we had this issue. But

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Speaker 3: I don't believe it's between the party or the candidates

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Speaker 3: or anything that are like a lot of antisocial individuals

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Speaker 3: out there. They just want to trigger things as well.

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Speaker 3: And you have like been informable, like someone doing this

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Speaker 3: and that person had like no relationship with any party and.

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Speaker 2: Things.

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Speaker 5: We've got a lot to choose from a lot of people,

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Speaker 5: and it's quite interesting polling days. You know, the number,

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Speaker 5: how many people are going to be there representing all

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Speaker 5: these people.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be you know, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: very interesting. It always is, isn't it come election time?

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Speaker 4: Dryan, Yeah, it sure is. And you know, it's a

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Speaker 4: great opportunity. I absolutely love local government elections. I think

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Speaker 4: it's it goes back to the people and people get

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Speaker 4: to see community members put their hand up to be

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Speaker 4: able to make some really good decisions for the community,

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Speaker 4: from from green park spaces to activities for young people,

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Speaker 4: from waste collection, those type of initiatives. So it's really exciting.

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Speaker 4: And one thing I do really like about it that

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Speaker 4: the politics of political parties isn't in place with local government.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be.

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Speaker 4: And what is is you know that we spoke about

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Speaker 4: it before, Katie, that there has there is this review

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Speaker 4: out that the government have put out around local government

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Speaker 4: people not being able to select their own mayor for

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Speaker 4: their council ward. So what would happen for their council.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's concerning because you'll see a number

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Speaker 4: of fringe political groups come out, political parties to be

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Speaker 4: invested in that. Because councilors elected, councilors will then choose

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Speaker 4: the mayor. I think it should pay out of that.

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Speaker 4: I agree the examples of I mean Steve Edgington was

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Speaker 4: a mayor down in Tenant Creek who's now a CLP minister,

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Speaker 4: but I remember him at the time being a mayor.

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Speaker 4: He was able to work with us when labor government.

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Speaker 4: I mean I sat in meetings with him there the

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Speaker 4: politics were put aside. We're seeing con the current mayor

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Speaker 4: when he's a former labor minister. He's been able to

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Speaker 4: work with a CIVILP government labor government. That's what it

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Speaker 4: should be.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and I kind of think to myself, it

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Speaker 1: actually doesn't bother me if somebody is part of a

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Speaker 1: political party, or has been a former minister, or is

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Speaker 1: a member of the of a political party, so long

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Speaker 1: as they're upfront about it. The thing that I don't

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Speaker 1: like is when people are a little bit covert and

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Speaker 1: they're saying that you know that they're running as a

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Speaker 1: full blown independent, but then you later find out that

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Speaker 1: they're a member of the Greens or they're a member

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Speaker 1: of whatever, you know, the Coorp or whatever party it

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Speaker 1: might be. Like, I think, be open and up front

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Speaker 1: and be honest with the electorate about what you're you

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Speaker 1: know what you're standing for, because it'll eventually come out.

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Speaker 2: But anyway we will just get ready to wrap up.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I cannot finish the show though without talking about how

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Speaker 1: much awesome stuff is on this weekend. We know the

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Speaker 1: Darwin Festival kicking off and of course International cricket, the

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Speaker 1: men's Tea twenty series between Australia and South Africa.

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Speaker 2: It's officially sold out.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be massive, big weekend and the full

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Speaker 5: credit to the government. What a fantastic event to be

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Speaker 5: having here in darw And I just want to fair.

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Speaker 5: Back in two thousand and three, I went to the

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Speaker 5: first game against the Bangladesh YEP and as I went

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Speaker 5: to the bar to get some drinks from my mates

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Speaker 5: and in the timas at the bar five wickets.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was not happy, serve faster.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to get a drink.

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Speaker 3: Nothing for the government, it's a huge thing that we

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Speaker 3: are able to bring the international cricket back to the

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Speaker 3: territory after seventeen or eighteen years, and this is going

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Speaker 3: to be the first international cricket for the Australia for

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Speaker 3: this season, so which is great. And then we already

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, like sold out for Sunday, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: for Tuesday. There are a few more tickets available. So

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Speaker 3: if anyone wants to see the cricket team playing right

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Speaker 3: in front of you, I would encourage them to go

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Speaker 3: and get the tickets. And also when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the other sports, like I think we'll say basketball team,

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Speaker 3: the Sorties are playing their last three games this weekend

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Speaker 3: and they're on the top of ladder this year and

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Speaker 3: like two time champions from the last time as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah this weekend, Yeah, a lot of yep, awesome big weekends.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: It is a massive weekend. Well we're can. I have

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Speaker 2: to leave it there. Jins and Charles, Minister for the

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Speaker 2: seal P.

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Speaker 1: Great to speak with you this morning, and you are

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Speaker 1: indeed the Minister for Youth, People, Sport and Culture. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your time and Antie news ahead of news,

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Speaker 1: Gary ship Way, great to have you on the show

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Speaker 1: as well, mate, pleasure.

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Speaker 5: We missed one thing the will Sola while driving in town.

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Speaker 5: They'll be down at the Hidden Valley this weekend.

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Speaker 2: This weekend awesome, got a couple of good weeks of

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Speaker 2: that help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And Daran Young, the deputy Opposition leader.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks Katie. And I do just want to give

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Speaker 4: one quick shout out, yeah, just to Barna from Berry

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Speaker 4: Springs Home Hardware. She's retiring today and she's dedicated twenty

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Speaker 4: eight years of service at the hardware center. So I

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Speaker 4: just want to thank Avanna for all her hard work

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Speaker 4: and just seeing the face of the Barry Springs Home Hardware.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely love popping in there and seeing her. She's

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Speaker 4: always happy to help. Yeah, and she frightens up your day.

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Speaker 4: So thanks for hard work, Lanna. I look forward to

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Speaker 4: seeing you soon that you're farewell.

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Speaker 2: What a legend I bet you.

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Speaker 1: She's helped lots of people over the years with their

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Speaker 1: you know, when they're trying to do a bit of

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Speaker 1: stuff around the house or whatever, giving them giving them

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Speaker 1: a hand. So that is great to hear. Duran, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning, and.

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Speaker 2: That is it for us today. For the week that

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Speaker 2: was