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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Top people that works here. Natasha in the typing poor.

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Speaker 3: She has the cutest little sausage dog. He's absolutely adorable.

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Speaker 3: You've brought him in here. He's a delight. But you

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Speaker 3: say that when you're not at home he goes feral. Indeed,

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Speaker 3: it's only one person who can help us.

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Speaker 2: This guy, doctor Chris Brown.

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Speaker 3: Hello Chris Brown, how are.

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Speaker 1: You good morning? I know ferrel. I've experienced it. I've

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Speaker 1: worked with it many for many years.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, save the call to you,

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Speaker 2: and my advice is just straight to your local pound.

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Speaker 2: The dog is as cute as anything. Someone will surely

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Speaker 2: take it. Don't tell them that it's like Kujo when

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Speaker 2: you're away. Just hand the dog over to some other food.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's just have a look at the sort of

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Speaker 3: stuff that Sammy gets up to when you're not home, Tash,

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Speaker 3: there's some photos here, and I know you've seen them too,

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Speaker 3: Chris of slippers shredded. You said your orthotics have been

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Speaker 3: ripped out of your shoes, very expensive gass is broken,

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Speaker 3: pop plants ripped into tissue boxes, shredded, his own toys shredded.

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Speaker 4: Yes, every time we leave the house, and the thing

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Speaker 4: is Chris. When we're home, he is an angel. And

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Speaker 4: the second we leave, it's like he will go out

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Speaker 4: of his way to find something that's of value to

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Speaker 4: us and rip it up and he'll know. When I

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Speaker 4: get home, he has a different sort of attitude when

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Speaker 4: I walk in the door because he knows that that's

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Speaker 4: not the right thing to do.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, Chris? What's the psychology here, Natasha?

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Speaker 1: I can notice his how old is he is? He

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Speaker 1: about about a year old or year old.

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Speaker 4: He'll be a year in September.

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Speaker 1: So he's essentially a COVID puppy, right, Yeah, So we're

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Speaker 1: seeing this phenomenon right now across a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of dogs, both the COVID generation plus the plus

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Speaker 1: the ones beforehand that they've kind of just got use

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Speaker 1: to us being at home. They've enjoyed the golden years.

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Speaker 1: This has been the greatest time in their lives because

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Speaker 1: they've had our undivided attention. We've been around. They've been

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Speaker 1: able to just get accustomed to life like that. So

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Speaker 1: when we do eventually leave the house, they melt down.

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Speaker 1: They've never really had to send themselves, never really been

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Speaker 1: in a situation where they don't have attention on tap,

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Speaker 1: and so it's a very tricky time for them. And

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Speaker 1: the manifestation, if you like, of this anxiety over what

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Speaker 1: to do with their lives and what to do once

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Speaker 1: you've gone, once you've even gone out of the shops

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Speaker 1: is often destructive behavior. That's that's how they lash out.

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Speaker 1: You're like, through their anxiety, they've got to do something,

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Speaker 1: They've got to occupy their time with something, and the

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Speaker 1: frustration and the confusion leads to this destructive behavior. And

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Speaker 1: we're kind of seeing this a wave of dogs, especially

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Speaker 1: really acting out like this.

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Speaker 3: Well, Tasha said that she's done all the things that

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Speaker 3: you'd think of, like she's been what have you done?

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Speaker 3: You've been putting peanut butter, and we.

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Speaker 4: Put peanut butter in this device called a calm and

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Speaker 4: we freeze it so that way he can, you know,

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Speaker 4: try and get that out throughout the day. It's meant

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Speaker 4: to last all day, but I think it lasts him

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Speaker 4: ten minutes. We've got the dog puzzle, where you've high puzzled.

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Speaker 4: It's like a sort of like a it looks like

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Speaker 4: a board game for dogs, and it's got these little

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Speaker 4: flaps and contraptions where you put little treats in it

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Speaker 4: and basically they have to undo the trap doors and

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Speaker 4: all that. It's meant to take them a long time

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Speaker 4: as well. That takes him two minutes. I've timed him

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Speaker 4: doing that. So we leave him out bully sticks and

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Speaker 4: pig ears and all the gross stuff that's meant to

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Speaker 4: last the more day. He literally won't eat those things

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Speaker 4: until I get home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the anxiety is just too much, and they

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Speaker 1: if they're often they're hunger disappears when they're anxious like this,

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Speaker 1: and there's no substitute for your time and your company.

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Speaker 1: So the best way, this is probably the best thing

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Speaker 1: to do. I would say, you've got to lower their

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Speaker 1: level of anxiety, and so initially exercise before you know

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Speaker 1: you're going to be out of the house. Tricky when

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Speaker 1: you're working in breakfast radio. Yeah, but but where you

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Speaker 1: where you can certainly do that, that will that will

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Speaker 1: certainly help out. And then you've just got to make

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Speaker 1: them feel less alone. So if you can record your

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Speaker 1: your own voice, uh, if you know, even put on

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Speaker 1: Jones and Amanda while while you're actually out of the house,

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Speaker 1: have make make make Sammy feel just a little less

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Speaker 1: by himself. This is your life, and and by doing

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Speaker 1: that that's certainly gonna get to lower that anxiety and

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Speaker 1: make make them makes me feel like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be home soon. I would probably look

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Speaker 1: to instigate a little thing called you've heard of me time?

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Speaker 1: This is d time. So around the house, don't let

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Speaker 1: Sammy get your attention whenever Sammy wants it, So for

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Speaker 1: for half an hour at a time, completely ignore Sammy.

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Speaker 1: And by doing that, what you're gonna do is make

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Speaker 1: sure that that he develops his own coping techniques, He

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Speaker 1: learns to live his own life, learns to find his

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Speaker 1: own amusement and own interest. And you can even put

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Speaker 1: him at different times, it's in different parts of the

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Speaker 1: house and just leave him there with the radio playing,

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Speaker 1: with their with their being sound, with the TV on,

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Speaker 1: and just just develop that that solo existence a little

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Speaker 1: bit more, because at the moment there's there's either you

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Speaker 1: or there's nothing.

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Speaker 3: Nothing at all that I think you can do that

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Speaker 3: Tash is when you're at home, keep away from the

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Speaker 3: dogs and ignore him for half an hour. Put him

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Speaker 3: in the laundry or something while you're home.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I'll look him out in the balcony or something.

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Speaker 1: It's the definition of tough love, Natasha like, it's it's tricky,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to do, and it goes against everything we

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Speaker 1: want to do. But when they're so firmly part of

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Speaker 1: the fabric of our lives and vice versa, you almost

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Speaker 1: have to detach some of those bonds to allow them

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Speaker 1: to be themselves and to actually live their lives, because

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Speaker 1: without us they feel like they have nothing, whereas they

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Speaker 1: can probably if you provide some substitutes like TV, like

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Speaker 1: some radio, like some voices being played even on a tape,

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Speaker 1: some sort of talk back radio, just something to to

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Speaker 1: get that that that feeling of their big company there,

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Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily been physical company, not.

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Speaker 2: Talk back radio. Then the dog will have all these

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Speaker 2: right wing opinions as well. Become a taxi drive, a

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Speaker 2: taxi drive. You know that dog, if you took it

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Speaker 2: down to the pound. I'll tell you what that would

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Speaker 2: be us.

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Speaker 3: Why we go to you, Chris, and not to do

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Speaker 3: I would.

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Speaker 2: Take that dog in a second. It's so cute.

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Speaker 1: Well, not alone, not alone at all. This some this

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Speaker 1: this census I did just recently, I think forty forty

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Speaker 1: percent of pet owners have seen an increase in like

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Speaker 1: a dramatic increase in the neediness of their pets over

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Speaker 1: the last year or so and anxiety levels through the roof.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for giving us some b time.

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Speaker 3: See brown time, brown time? What brown time?

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Worried to Chris, thank you for thank you, Chris, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, don't worry.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you on the living room on Friday night

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Speaker 2: at seven thirty.

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's examination