1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily Art. This is the 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: Oh now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: the fifth of March. I'm Zara Sidler, I'm Billy fitz Simon's. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, it was announced that the KRL and 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Jackie ooshow would be taken off air after Jackie told 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: her network that she could no longer work with Kyle. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: That brought an end to a twenty five year, multimillion 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: dollar partnership. In today's podcast, we're going to unpack how 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: one on air argument managed to end Australia's biggest radio 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: show and what could happen next. 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: Zara, Kyle and Jackie O are the two highest paid 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 2: people in media, yep. And so to end there, it's 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: something like a two hundred million dollar retract is huge news. 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: And yeah, don't think it can be underestimated what huge 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: radio news this is. Yes, do you want to just 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: paint a picture of who Kyle and JACKIEO are because 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: they're huge in Sydney, a little bit in Melvis spoiler, 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: but this is a national podcast, so I just want 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: to get everyone across who they are and why this 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: is such a big deal. 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, if you're not familiar with the Kyle and 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: JACKIEO show, it was was being the Operative Word, hosted 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: by Kyle Sandaland and Jackie O Henderson. I actually asked 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: you when we were researching this if you knew why 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: she was called Jackie O. And you looked it up 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: and answered it. I did. 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: It was because of a previous marriage where her former 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: husband had oh at the start of his last name. 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: I thought that was her last name. I thought, oh, 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: it was just the full last name. 33 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: No, when I was looking it up, her maiden name 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: was actually Jackie Last. 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Oh, so a woman with many last names, Jackie Last 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: was yes, Oh interesting, there you go. Well she goes 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: by Jackie O. Just to bring this back, her and 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Kyle started working together in two thousand. That is so 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: many years ago, nearly twenty six years ago, and they've 40 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: broken pretty much every record there is to break in 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: Australian radio. They were the countries most listened to radio show, 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: and as you just foreshadowed there until the events of 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: this week, they were the highest paid media personalities in 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: the country. They were above every television presenter, every journalist, everyone. 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: They were at the top. In November twenty twenty three, 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: they signed a ten year deal reportedly worth as we said, 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars, securing their spot on Sydney's Kiss 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: one O six point five until twenty thirty four. So 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: you might notice that we are quite a bit away 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: from that when this has come to an end. That 51 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: deal also meant that they were expanding their reach to 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: include Melbourne. Now that venture into Melbourne hasn't gone very well. 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: We actually did a podcast on this last year, but 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: in Sydney they were at the end of last year 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: the second most listened to radio show, and they had 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: slipped from the number one radio show to the number two. 57 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: He says, now all come crashing down after an on 58 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: air incident where Kyle basically said to Jackie O that 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: he was concerned about her work ethic, or what he 60 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: said was a lack of a work ethic. And what 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: was fascinating was that this entire thing played out on air. 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was listening to it, I was wondering 63 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: what would happen if you and I ever had a 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: debate like that on our podcast. I mean, it's very them, 65 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: but it is in and of itself quite spectacular to 66 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: have something like that play out on air. So how 67 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: it started was that the two were discussing the recent 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: arrest of former Prince Andrew and Jackie said, and I'm 69 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: quoting her here, I'm going to do that fixed star 70 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: astrology chart on him and see what it says. A 71 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: bit later on, when Jackie was apparently researching Andrew's star chart, 72 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: Kyle said to her, your fixation on this, and we 73 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: understand he was referring to astrology has made you almost unworkable. 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: You were off with the fairies. That was the launching 75 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: off pad for a seven minute, very heated argument between 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: the two, with Kyle saying things like everyone at the 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: station had been complaining about Jackie and Jackie responding that 78 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: she would never speak to Kyle in the way that 79 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: he does to her. I'm just going to play your 80 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: quick grab of this argument, just to give you a 81 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: bit of a sense of it. I would never say 82 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: things like that about you. You have to because I'm 83 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: not doing that. Yeah, because you make out like you 84 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 1: sit there like you're perfect. No, I'm not. I don't 85 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: do And I would never bring them up. And I 86 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: would never say what what do you mean? What I 87 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: don't do feel free it's open for I don't want 88 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: to get into a tip for tat. I think it's 89 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: there is nothing. What what what have you got a 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: problem with? Okay? So that argument played out on February twentieth, 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: and then almost immediately afterwards, it was announced that Jackie 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: would be taking the week off to quote gather her thoughts. 93 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: She was meant to return to the show this week, 94 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: so Monday this week, but at the beginning of the 95 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: week her leave was extended another week and that certainly 96 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: sense the rumor Mills billing. Then on Tuesday night, it 97 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: was announced that she was leaving the. 98 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: Show, and that announcement was the huge news. We're going 99 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: to get to that, but first here is a quick 100 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: note from today's sponsor, so Zara. It was Tuesday night 101 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: when news dropped that Jackie would officially be leaving the 102 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: show and ending their ten year contract. What did we learn? 103 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was one of those times where the slack 104 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: group was absolutely popping off. So on Tuesday night, ARN, 105 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: the network that broadcasts Cull and Jackio's show, said in 106 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: a statement to the ASX and that's because they are 107 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: a publicly listed company. So when there is a major change, 108 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: they need to alert the Stock Exchange. In that statement, 109 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: they said the Kiss Breakfast Show will be taken off air, 110 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: effective immediately. The statement said that Jackie had told the 111 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: network she cannot continue to work with mister Kyle Sandalans. 112 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: Then the network also said that Sandalance had breached his 113 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: contract with ARN during that segment during the argument, calling 114 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: his behavior an act of serious misconduct. ARN has given 115 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Kyle Sandalans fourteen days to remedy this breach, and they 116 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: warned that if this breach wasn't remedied, that Kyle's contract 117 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: would be canceled. In the meantime, he was to be 118 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: taken off air immediately and interim arrangements were to be 119 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: made for the show. AARN in that statement also said 120 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: that Jackie had been offered the possibility of an alternative 121 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: show on the ARN Network. Fust forward to Wednesday morning, 122 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: neither of them were on air, and Smallsey hosted the 123 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: show and had to read out a statement. There was 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: like a bit of back and forth about how uncomfortable 125 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: it was for everyone involved, but neither of them were 126 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: on air. 127 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: One thing that I'm interested by is this idea that 128 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: Kyle Sandalans now needs to remedy the breach. I'm interested 129 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: in what that actually could involve. Is that an apology 130 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: to Jackie? I mean, what does that even look like. 131 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: I actually don't know what that looks like. You're right, 132 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: it could be an apology directly to Jackie. To listeners, 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. We obviously aren't privy 134 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: to those contracts. But at the time of recording, Karl 135 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 1: hasn't said anything publicly, nor has Jackie for that matter. 136 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: There has been some commentary about whether this is a 137 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: PR stunt. 138 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: Some commentary meaning me saying that I haven't heard you say, 139 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I put it in a slack group. 140 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: Oh, I so strongly disagree. Oh. 141 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: I was one hundred percent convinced it was a PR stunt. 142 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: Until the letter to the share Market. 143 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Right. The conspiracy theorist in me still believe that. Okay, 144 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: the reason that I thought it was, and I saw 145 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people come in on our post in 146 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: a similar vein. There have been so many controversies that 147 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: include Carl Sandalans or center around Carl Sandlanz. He has 148 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: said some objectively outrageous things during his twenty six years 149 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: on air, I was just shocked that that was the 150 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: red line, that it was at that point that the 151 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: show disintegrated, when they had been found to rebreaching standards 152 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: time and time again. I'm not an avid listener of 153 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: the Carl and Jackie Osho, so I can't pretend to 154 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: understand the intricacies of it. But I was just shocked. 155 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: But No, a letter to their sex is certainly confirmation 156 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: that this is not a PR stunt. 157 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: For me, why this is different is that it's coming 158 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: from Jackie herself, and I think that you can hear 159 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 2: in that audio that we played earlier just how deeply 160 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: hurt she genuinely seems to be. And I think you're 161 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: right that there have been so many controversies, but it's 162 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: not often that those controversies are between the hosts. Usually 163 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: they are somewhat of a team, and throughout all of 164 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: those controversies do present a united front. 165 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a lot of commentary about the fact 166 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: that on the occasions where Kyl has been the center 167 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: of controversy, Jackie has always stood by him, and this 168 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: is now the first time where that's not happening. 169 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I think what is interesting that it was this 170 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 2: conversation that broke the what's that. 171 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: Saying for on the cameras on the camera that broke. 172 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: The camel's back. Yes, I think that's interesting and possibly 173 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: signals that there clearly was a lot going on behind 174 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: the scenes. We only heard one conversation, but the fact 175 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: that Jackie is now walking away because of this conversation, 176 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: they must we're not getting the full pitch up clearly. 177 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: And I mean, just to again highlight, walking away isn't 178 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: just walking away from the show that is a two 179 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: hundred million dollar deal like that is huge. 180 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: But if she gets her own show, then possibly that 181 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: contract on her behalf remains because if you read the statement, 182 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: it's saying that Kyle Sandalance breached the agreement, not Jackie. 183 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: Oh so it's interesting what that could look like. 184 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's certainly we're going to have to 185 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: wait to hear what she has to say and him. Really, 186 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm very interested what happens from here. And given that 187 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: they have occupied such a central role in our media 188 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: for so long, there have been so many controversies, but 189 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, they were the top rated show for ages 190 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: and Ages and Ages. The landscape now will look completely 191 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: different for Australian radio. 192 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's space for a new number two. May 193 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: that be us? 194 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: May that be us? Hello, if you're listening, we are ready. 195 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: We're ready to move to the radio Zara. 196 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking us through that may We also 197 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: have a twenty. 198 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Six year work listening. 199 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: We're ready and thank you so much for listening to 200 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: this episode of The Daily Yours. 201 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: We'll be back this. 202 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: Afternoon with your evening headlines as always, but until then, 203 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: we hope you have a lovely day. My name is 204 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: Lily Madden and I'm a proud Aarunda bunge Lung Chalcuttin 205 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: woman from Gadigol Country. 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