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Speaker 1: Now let's move along because there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk obviously about the vaccine rollout. When you talk about

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Speaker 1: coronavirus and the opening of the borders. We've spoken on

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Speaker 1: this show about some of those different measures that are

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Speaker 1: of November. Now, as you heard from the Health Minister yesterday,

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory currently sits at seventy four percent double

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Speaker 1: dose sixteen years and over, with eighty eight percent having

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Speaker 1: But could we be further along at this point? Well,

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Speaker 1: joining me on the line right now is the CEO

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Speaker 1: of the Palmerston GP Superclinic, Robin Carl. Good morning to you, Robin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. How are you going?

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Speaker 1: Not too bad? Robin? How are the numbers going out

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Speaker 1: there at the superclinic from your perspective with the vaccine rollout.

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Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately in the last week or so, numbers have

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Speaker 2: dropped right off, which has been really disappointing for the

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Speaker 2: rid of a large number of the quarantine restrictions that

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Speaker 1: So why do you reckon those numbers have dropped off.

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Speaker 2: It's been really baffling to us. I guess we had

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Speaker 2: well now I have to get vaccinated, so I'll go

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Speaker 2: and people have just dug their heels in and if

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Speaker 1: And Robin, are you seeing that anger out there at

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yes, we are. We're seeing a range of emotions

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Speaker 2: people to please leave the clinic because whilst we appreciate

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Speaker 2: we will do it as best we can and make

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Speaker 2: of behavior really just can't be tolerated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not on. I mean, are you talking about

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Speaker 1: people sort of obviously verbally verbally abusing.

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Speaker 2: Staff, swearing, being quite aggravated. So they I think they

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, Robin, I'm disappointed to hear that. And I'd

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Speaker 2: So fortunately, to this point in time, we haven't had

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Speaker 2: I think what's happened is when we've called the behavior

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Speaker 2: So when you make it as a worker you have

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Speaker 1: So more it might be amazing more of a character

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and I think we maybe part of it is

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Speaker 2: we haven't been able to travel freely across our borders,

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, certainly food for thought, Robin, before I let

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Speaker 1: in terms of when those booster shots are going to

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Speaker 2: Well, we already have booster shots available for people who

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Speaker 2: post your second shot, you can come in and book

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Speaker 2: in now for your booster shot. We had advice that

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Speaker 2: providing instruction that if we had stock, which we do.

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Speaker 2: it available. We're allowed to give booster shots to people

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Speaker 2: that it has to be six months past your second

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin Carl, the CEO of the Palmerston GP Superclinic,

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Speaker 1: always appreciate your time. Thank you very much for having

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Speaker 1: a chat with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,