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Speaker 1: Are renewed, refreshed and refocused Territory government. That's the way

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister, Natasha Files describe the cabinet reshuffle earlier

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Speaker 1: this week. The Member for Fanny Bay, Brent Potter, has

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Speaker 1: been appointed the Minister for Police, Minister for Fire and

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Speaker 1: including the Union, questioning the Chief Minister's decision to appoint

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Brent, morning, Katie, morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Firstly, congratulations on your appointment to the cabinet.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling.

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Speaker 4: Humbled to get the opportunity to serve and then serve

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Speaker 4: this portfolio? And how a lot of Territorians are listening

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Speaker 4: and eager to see what I'm going to do. But

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Speaker 4: it's extremely humbling to have this portfolio.

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Speaker 1: Now? How did you wind up with arguably the most

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Speaker 3: I've always said to.

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Speaker 4: The Chief I'll serve where she wants me to serve

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Speaker 4: And that's the portfolio that she's given me, and I'm

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Speaker 2: What did she say? Why did she believe that you're

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Speaker 4: Just my background obviously a few listeners that don't know,

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Speaker 3: Is that were you see?

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Speaker 4: An adviser gives advice and a minister makes decisions and

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Speaker 4: seeing areas for improvement. And so I said to her

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've just touched on it there.

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Speaker 4: Well, worked on a team at the time, and I've

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Speaker 4: given her frank and feeless advice and I'd continue to

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Speaker 4: And I think that she balanced a really tough set

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Speaker 1: Brent' was a deal done with the Chief Minister for

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Speaker 1: it's not about doing the numbers or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: She's got a certain amount of cabinet positions, and she's

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Speaker 4: Well, if you just look at our professional backgrounds, I

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Speaker 4: And for all the negative we've gotten, there's been a

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Speaker 3: Absolutely in the short term, we absolutely do need.

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Speaker 4: So tps in town should be going around and being

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Speaker 1: The Police Association, you would have heard them on the

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Speaker 1: When are you meeting with the police Association?

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Speaker 3: And I love nothing more than a challenge.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think, like, what are the main areas

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory is an absolutely necessary public health measure.

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Speaker 1: In per App and Fanny Bay, you've got the liquor record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The chiefs when she tabled the three year liquor review,

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Speaker 3: But in Fanny Bay the accord works.

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Speaker 4: You know, you have to have a reasonable you have

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Speaker 3: But some people that came.

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Speaker 1: And so let me just okay, so you can have

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Speaker 1: But why don't we just make it that the cops

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Speaker 1: You guys have got right now, though, is that all

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Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of people are feeling right

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Speaker 2: What's happening is not okay, we're going to change it.

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Speaker 3: I've always tried not to swear on radio. It now

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Speaker 4: Listen, Like I said, the metric of success is walking

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Speaker 4: But you're right, you don't want to see it when

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Speaker 4: We just need to go really tough on the commodity

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Speaker 3: So that we can do follow up checks? And so

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Speaker 3: I'll work that through the chief.

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Speaker 4: So no, the report spoke about it, so everything in

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Speaker 1: What's going to be your focus in Alice Springs sixteen

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Speaker 2: That behavior is woeful.

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Speaker 4: Listen to the police officers Alice, well done. They caught

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to step away from police for

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So sorry, this is why I'm a due.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they need to be their own agency, like every

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Speaker 1: What does that mean, DC double D? Most people listening

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Speaker 4: So the court basically the HR department that does corporate

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Speaker 3: And I think you're speaking about a commissioner.

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Speaker 4: Those are the pieces that I've asked the current police

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Speaker 2: Why will we do.

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Speaker 1: That before we announce that we're going to actually make

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Speaker 4: But now as the minister, it's on me to enact that.

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Speaker 4: And obviously I've got to get all the new briefings

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Speaker 4: So when we see a whole of agency response to

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Speaker 2: So there's going to need to be legislative changes on.

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Speaker 3: The face of it, Kagie that that's what it looks like.

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Speaker 4: And so once I chat with the Commissioner again on Friday,

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Speaker 2: How about the actual budget.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's going to need to be a new commissioner

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Speaker 3: To be more with less, right, And that's the problem.

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Speaker 4: You can't continue to ask police and the fires to

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Speaker 1: It's sort of sounding to me as though it's going

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Speaker 4: Well, well we've got I actually don't think that's the

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Speaker 4: It doesn't change the service delivery. I actually think you'll

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Speaker 2: So how fast you reckon you can get it done.

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Speaker 3: Well as fast as Brent can push Katie. You know

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Speaker 2: Need just refer to yourself in third person.

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Speaker 3: Goodness you swear before and I've just done the third person.

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Speaker 4: But I think at the end of the day it

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Speaker 2: Moving on before the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, presumably you'd have to wait until the next budget

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Speaker 1: if you're going to need additional funding is midyear.

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Speaker 4: But all those things will be considered when the commissioner

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Speaker 4: comes comes back to me with what he's recommendation is.

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Speaker 1: Now, I was planning on asking you a little bit

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Speaker 1: about veterans affairs, but we might have to get you

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Speaker 1: on another time for that because we have very fast

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Speaker 1: run out of time.

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Speaker 2: Before we let you go.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, though, Brent, you know, the

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Speaker 1: fact is there's now a lot of responsibility on your

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Speaker 1: shoulders when it comes to all of these portfolios, but

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Speaker 1: particularly the play sportfolio. People are very disillusioned with the

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Speaker 1: government's response right now when it comes to crime. They're

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Speaker 1: very upset with the state of things like personal safety

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Speaker 1: and crime.

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Speaker 2: Can you turn things around?

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Speaker 4: Give you a red dot crack, measure me on, measure

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Speaker 4: me on what I do. And you know I can't

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Speaker 4: do more than that. I've never made a commitment that

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't at least try to keep, and so that's

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Speaker 4: the commitment I made to Terry Toyins in the front line.

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Speaker 3: So measure me on that.

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Speaker 1: Minister Brent Potter, thanks for your time this morning. Much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.