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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Notice yesterday double a chattery dropped.

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Speaker 3: It's a really interesting one because I read an article

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Speaker 3: about a new industry that's being forged in the States

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Speaker 3: and it's the panic industry. Companies are helping people deal

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Speaker 3: with their panic. There's a billion dollar industry. What they're

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Speaker 3: doing is they are building things like moats that can

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Speaker 3: be set on fire. People are asking to have fireplaces

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Speaker 3: built in their house that move to the side and

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Speaker 3: you go into an underground bunker where there's a gun range.

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Speaker 3: People are putting panic rooms in their homes. And these

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Speaker 3: aren't just big richies. These are people who don't have

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Speaker 3: that much money. But lots of people are living in

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Speaker 3: a fear, are living in constant fear, and their fear

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Speaker 3: is really it's about stuff that it's pandemics, financial collapse,

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Speaker 3: civil unrest, nuclear war, the heightened level of anxiety and fear.

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Speaker 3: And I think we all feel it. That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Even in Australia, if you're not building a bunker, we're

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Speaker 3: all living with this heightened anxiety at the moment. Do

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Speaker 3: you feel it? We're all feeling it.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a long time, you know,

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Speaker 2: been reading newspapers and stuff every day. Been in the

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Speaker 2: media since I was twenty one, and I remember there

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Speaker 2: was a time when I used to get to me,

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Speaker 2: but now I sort of compartmentalize everything.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're lucky.

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Speaker 2: I read the newspaper and I go, well, it's not.

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Speaker 2: I know how news works. I know what they do

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Speaker 2: to get you to get in the negative news cells

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Speaker 2: for example.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it doesn't makes who you lean in. You

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Speaker 3: lean in, and people have this in their faces with

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Speaker 3: social media every day. It's interesting because the podcast I

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Speaker 3: do with Anita, she's a forensic psychologist, and I love

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Speaker 3: picking her brains brain on things like this, and she said,

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Speaker 3: there's a difference between rumination and anger. Rumination is this

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Speaker 3: is what you do not want to be doing. This

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Speaker 3: is a constant state of going round and round with

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Speaker 3: no solution, heightened. All your senses are heightened with no release.

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Speaker 3: It's a horrible way to be. But if you can

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Speaker 3: pinpoint what your emotions are around any particular topic, if

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Speaker 3: it's anger, then you can make your way through.

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Speaker 4: So in a strange way, Amanda, anger is a gift.

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Speaker 4: We don't get angry about things that aren't important to us,

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Speaker 4: and so I think that if we are at the

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Speaker 4: very least, we can kind of examine the things that

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Speaker 4: we get angry about, because really thereafter the things that

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Speaker 4: are important to it.

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Speaker 3: So, for example, if climate change, do you feeling like

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Speaker 3: you can't do any things winding you up? Even doing

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Speaker 3: things on a very small level, organizing your recycling, just

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Speaker 3: these small things that you feel like, or join a

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Speaker 3: group you feel like you're moving through. It's rumination where

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Speaker 3: you're stuck. So examine why you're feeling the way that

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Speaker 3: you were feeling. And I asked her, with all the

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Speaker 3: world's horror in our faces, is it okay to step away?

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Speaker 3: Is it selfish to make it about yourself? Because you

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Speaker 3: can look at Gaza and just want to and then,

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Speaker 3: as you say, do something that makes you feel better.

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Speaker 3: Is it selfish not to wear the pain?

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Speaker 4: I think that there's a huge difference between being selfish

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Speaker 4: and self care, and I think self care is a requirement.

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Speaker 4: There is that all saying about when you're on the airplane,

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Speaker 4: if those those masks come down, make sure that you

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Speaker 4: put it on yourself first before you put it on

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Speaker 4: your child or you know somebody who may be disabled

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Speaker 4: next to you, because if you can't take care of

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Speaker 4: yourself and you pass out from us lack of oxygen,

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Speaker 4: then you can't help anybody else. And I think that

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Speaker 4: that's an excellent way to move through the world.

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Speaker 1: So it's okay to look away, it's okay to look away,

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Speaker 1: it's okay to take care of yourself. And when you

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Speaker 1: say take care of yourself, it's not something quite like

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Speaker 1: have a bubble bath, which it well.

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Speaker 3: It might be. It's more, you know, maybe switch off

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Speaker 3: your phone, go for a walk, reach out to a friend,

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Speaker 3: do what you need to get out of the rumination.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: She kind of also puts it into context that as

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Speaker 3: a human race and as human beings, we've been through

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Speaker 3: hard things before.

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Speaker 4: We've been through difficult times before and survived. And you know,

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Speaker 4: like when World War two started, nobody knew what was

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Speaker 4: in store, nobody knew how or if it was going

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Speaker 4: to end, and yet it did and people survived through it.

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Speaker 2: It's true we've got too much information, perhaps, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, but it's interesting look at why you're feeling the

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Speaker 3: way you are. I learned a lot from that myself.

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Speaker 3: Just and if you're feeling angry and you want to

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Speaker 3: be angry, enjoy it, but if you want to move

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Speaker 3: through it, there are ways to