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Speaker 1: Labor has taken aim at the Chief Minister for sitting

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Speaker 1: on the NTIICAQ report into allegations of improper conduct regarding

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Speaker 1: senior police recruitment for eighteen days after she tabled the

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Speaker 1: full report in parliament yesterday. Now, the report by ICAC

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Speaker 1: Delegate Patricia Kelly said it was up to the discretion

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Speaker 1: of the Police Minister, which is indeed the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: as to whether the report or to be tabled in parliament,

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Speaker 1: but pointed to section fifty nine of the IKAK Act.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is the Deputy Opposition

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Speaker 1: Leader Duran Young. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Duran, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Duran, do you think that the Chief Minister still

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Speaker 1: has questions to answer over this situation?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I believe the Chief Minister has a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions to answer over the IKAK report, which

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Speaker 2: was only handed down yesterday. But in that report, it

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Speaker 2: shows that the Chief Minister had known from day one

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Speaker 2: that she could speak free about that IKAQ report and

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Speaker 2: was able to table it in parliament. Yet since day one,

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Speaker 2: leaf and Nokira has repeatedly misled territories about the legalities

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Speaker 2: of the matter by hiding behind the IQAQ Act. But

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Speaker 2: at the same time, the IKACKED Inspector has made it

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Speaker 2: very clear nothing within the i CAAC the IQAQ Act

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Speaker 2: has prevented Leof and Noki are from speaking on this

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Speaker 2: report for the past eighteen days, which I find very concerning.

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Speaker 2: Can you speak on it?

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Speaker 1: Can you speak on it if it's not been tabled

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Speaker 1: publicly in parliament?

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Speaker 2: Yes, she could have spoken on it. And look, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm not here to do, haven't it?

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Speaker 1: Well, hang on, I just want to get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of it though, because you know, because obviously I

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Speaker 1: was listening to question time yesterday and I hear what

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Speaker 1: you guys are saying, So you know, I hear that

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Speaker 1: there should have been discussion about this sooner, and I

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Speaker 1: certainly read as well with great interest the IKAC delegates

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Speaker 1: saying that it was up to the discretion of the

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Speaker 1: Police Minister, which is indeed the Chief Minister, as to

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Speaker 1: whether that report or to be tabled in parliament. So

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Speaker 1: that's what the wording says, tabled in parliament. But yesterday

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Speaker 1: was the first day of parliamentary sitting, so I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to wrap my head around how it could have been

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Speaker 1: tabled any sooner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she could have obviously spoken sooner about this report.

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Speaker 2: What Leah f Nakia did was she was you know,

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Speaker 2: we all know the circus around those eight days it

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Speaker 2: took to the we found out it was the Police commissioner.

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Speaker 2: But what Leah did was she came out to say

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Speaker 2: that from a solicitor General that she could not speak

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Speaker 2: on her and not name anyone. Yet here we have

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Speaker 2: the report saying that she could table this in parliament.

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Speaker 2: So she's completely misled territories through that. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: pretty clear what it states in the Ikak Act that

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Speaker 2: she could have tabled that in parliament. But she was

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Speaker 2: also able to speak freely about this report and not

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Speaker 2: make excuses to say that it doesn't sit within the

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Speaker 2: IKAKDAC and that that was the advice she'd been given

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Speaker 2: from the solicited General.

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Speaker 1: Yet, how would you have done it differently? How do

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Speaker 1: you reckon you guys would have done it differently?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I'm not Look, I would have gone out

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Speaker 2: and said, look, just give me a few days to

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Speaker 2: get the localities around this. Like we all understand that

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Speaker 2: there's legal issues that you have to follow, but that

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Speaker 2: the problem we have was Leaf and hid away for

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Speaker 2: eight whole days and didn't give any update to the public,

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Speaker 2: and we saw the circus that it created around this,

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Speaker 2: the instability within the police force that it created. All

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Speaker 2: left and I had to do was come out and say, look,

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Speaker 2: I've been I've received this report. I can table it

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Speaker 2: in Parliament. I'm going through it. The advice I've been

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Speaker 2: given from the Solicitor General is I can't speak on it.

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Speaker 2: But yet here we have the IQAC inspectors that will look.

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Speaker 1: On I'm definitely not in the business of like I'm

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Speaker 1: definitely not in the business of defending chief ministers. I

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Speaker 1: mean I've had to question chief ministers for the last

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Speaker 1: ten years, every day of my life, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: in the business of defending them. But what i will

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Speaker 1: say is that, I mean, she did come on this show.

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Speaker 1: She has come on this showy every Monday and answered

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Speaker 1: questions on it. So I guess what I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: get to the bottom of is you know, yesterday the

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Speaker 1: Opposition Chancey Paike went as far as to calling for

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister to resign, you know, earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: But you've also just said that you do need to

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Speaker 1: you know, to do this in a thorough way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But look the issue we have is Leaf and

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Speaker 2: Acchiara has said that she got advice from a solicitor

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Speaker 2: general and yet she still hasn't released that advice. Like,

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Speaker 2: we need certainty that she hasn't misled the public because

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Speaker 2: what the Ikacking inspect has come back with to say, well,

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Speaker 2: actually no that's not correct that the act does allow

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Speaker 2: you to release that report or table that report in parliament.

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Speaker 2: Yet if Andia were saying well, no, I can't speak

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Speaker 2: on this, there's legalities.

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Speaker 1: That is what you want to say. You want to

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Speaker 1: see that solicitor general provice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the question that needs to be asked,

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Speaker 2: that she needs to release the advice from the Solicitor

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Speaker 2: General to ensure that she wasn't lying. I mean, we've

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Speaker 2: It was easy as tabling it in parliament. It would

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Speaker 2: take less than thirty seconds and that's all she needs

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Speaker 2: to do to ensure that she wasn't misleading territory as

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Speaker 2: the public and the media.

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Speaker 1: Hey, doern I know your press for time? I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you. Obviously late yesterday the Chief Minister said

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Speaker 1: that on the recommendation of the Executive Council, the former

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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Michael Murphy's appointment was terminated by the Administrator

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory. Mister Murphy's entitlements and final payment

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Speaker 1: is going to be processed promptly and conditions of his

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Speaker 1: appointment in twenty twenty three requires payment of six months

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Speaker 1: renumeration upon termination. After reading the Eye Tach report and

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Speaker 1: seeing it full, you know, apart from a couple of

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Speaker 1: redacted paragraphs, do you support this? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Look, that's within his contract and that's up to the

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Speaker 2: government to sort out through. You know, what he's paid. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: that's in the terms of his contract. So I can't

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Speaker 2: speak on that specifically because there may be some legal

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Speaker 2: challenges for that to come as well.

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Speaker 1: So you must have an opinion though, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you've read through that report, now, do you think this

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Speaker 1: is the right move for him to no longer be

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Speaker 1: in that job.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think it's the right move that he's not

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Speaker 2: in that job. So yeah, he's obviously been stood down,

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Speaker 2: But in terms of his contract and the conditions of

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Speaker 2: sits within his own contracts.

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Speaker 1: Hey very quickly. I know again, I know your press

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Speaker 1: for time, as are we. What is the focus from

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Speaker 1: the opposition today? It is Is it general business day today? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It is general business day today. We do have one

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Speaker 2: piece of legislation coming up from the CLP government to

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Speaker 2: remove the Portable Long Service League, which is obviously quite

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Speaker 2: concerning from us. You know. This would allow homeless providers,

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Speaker 2: disability workers, domestic violence supporters to have access to longer

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Speaker 2: service leave and the CLP is scrapping that now, which

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Speaker 2: gives uncertainty to that insitude, so that something will be

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Speaker 2: fighting against today.

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Speaker 1: Well, Doran Young, the Deputy Opposition leader, good to speak

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Speaker 1: with you this morning. I really appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 1: time to have a.

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Speaker 2: Chat with us anytime. Katie, thank you