Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to the final episode. Actually,
Speaker 1: janor it it's not so dramatic, Laura, it's the last
Speaker 1: episode we're ever doing.
Speaker 2: Ever, it's been fun. Goodbye. No, we've got to continue
Speaker 2: that Daily Mail. We'll take that. No one's gonna listen again.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not the last episode, but we're coming very
Speaker 1: close to the end of the year. It's the last
Speaker 1: structured episode that we're doing. We've got a few bonus
Speaker 1: episodes up our sleeve, but this is it twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Can go eat a dick?
Speaker 3: Hellow tell us what you really think. That is the
Speaker 3: end of the episode. Thanks for coming. It is almost Christmas.
Speaker 3: We actually, in our head said that we were going
Speaker 3: to have four to five weeks off. That's what we
Speaker 3: originally planned because we didn't really take any time off
Speaker 3: this year, Low.
Speaker 2: And Behold, and we've ended up with about two weeks.
Speaker 1: Brittany Hockley did go over season four and a half months,
Speaker 1: but let's not talk about that.
Speaker 2: Well, let's pretend like it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Yes, that doesn't take anything off the podcast. I still
Speaker 3: had to get up at three am to a podcast
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, when you're on the other side of the world
Speaker 1: actually does it. It's not conducive for having a holiday.
Speaker 1: When Britt was traveling, what she then had to do
Speaker 1: was record on our schedule, which meant she was up
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Love that for you, but you know what, I'm here
Speaker 2: for the people. Christmas is around the corner. Guys.
Speaker 3: We're super excited to take a few weeks off, but
Speaker 3: we are going to be sprinkling in a few bonus episodes.
Speaker 3: Sophiar not we will never ever leave you completely high
Speaker 3: and drive. But Laura, you are literally in two hours
Speaker 3: about to take off.
Speaker 1: For your Christmas Vaca forty five minutes. I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be hard out at eleven am. We're about to get
Speaker 1: into like, guys, pray for me. When this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: I'll be halfway through a twelve hour drive.
Speaker 2: Is it to Brison? I don't know. We're breaking up.
Speaker 1: We're doing six hours today, going to end up in
Speaker 1: Coffs Harbor, and then we're going to do the rest
Speaker 1: of the drive tomorrow. But not only are we taking
Speaker 1: the two kids in the car, we're also taking the dog.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a whole family affair. Matt is so angry,
Speaker 1: like we got up this morning to pack the car,
Speaker 1: and you know when he was already irritated, he was
Speaker 1: already angry for no reason. He's anticipating what the next
Speaker 1: two days or I should say two weeks are gonna
Speaker 1: be totally.
Speaker 2: So Bust is going with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to pay. It's just too long, and
Speaker 1: he's part of the family. We can't do Christmas with
Speaker 1: our buster.
Speaker 3: No, you can't, Okay, So pray for Laura. She's got
Speaker 3: a hecta trip. What do you think is gonna happen
Speaker 3: once you hit the border? Do you think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lineup of hours to cross?
Speaker 2: Are they actually asking for vaccinations? What's going on?
Speaker 1: I don't want to anticipate it being any worse than
Speaker 1: what I already think it's gonna be. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody wants to listen to the start of this episode
Speaker 1: of me being like, yeah, I'm gonna sit in the
Speaker 1: line for two hours? What are you guys doing for
Speaker 1: your Christmas break?
Speaker 2: Would? Do you know what the scary thing is? I'm
Speaker 2: flying to the Gold Coast.
Speaker 3: So I'm going up to the Gold Coast with my family,
Speaker 3: And it's so strict up there that if anyone on
Speaker 3: your plane has COVID, they put you as a close
Speaker 3: contact and if you were at the other end of
Speaker 3: the plane, and that means you have to quarantine for
Speaker 3: seven days. So that is I mean, that is a
Speaker 3: huge risk with how many people having COVID every single day.
Speaker 2: Now, I know, it's kind of like COVID roulette. It
Speaker 2: is roulette.
Speaker 3: It's like, do I sacrifice my fly? This is where
Speaker 3: I am today. I've only got a day to decide.
Speaker 3: Do I sacrifice my flight and just do the ten
Speaker 3: hour drive up as well.
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the reasons why we're doing the drive.
Speaker 2: Just do it. You can take one of the kids
Speaker 2: and then we can Okay, I'm flying, you take a moola.
Speaker 2: Why do I get the little one? Why do I
Speaker 2: get the crying one?
Speaker 1: There's more dependent to be honest, She's a bit of
Speaker 1: a handful. But anyway, guys, we have a great episode
Speaker 1: for you today. We are coming in hot right to
Speaker 1: the finish line, and just to really spice things up,
Speaker 1: you know, like a spice Christmas pudding, We're giving you
Speaker 1: a whole episode on kinks and fetishes and fetishers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything sexy.
Speaker 1: We have Australia's most famous psycho sex sologists rejoining us
Speaker 1: today because Chantelle has actually done an episode with us
Speaker 1: in the past. It's Chantalotten and she is answering all
Speaker 1: of the questions that you guys had that we had
Speaker 1: around kinks and fetishes. We also have one of our own,
Speaker 1: a member of the lifelun Cut community. Her name is Nicky,
Speaker 1: and she likes to get down and get a bit
Speaker 1: kinky and was so open in sharing her stories around it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great episode, so stay tuned.
Speaker 2: She has one.
Speaker 3: Very very specific kink which I'm not going to tell
Speaker 3: you about now, but I was so interested and I
Speaker 3: haven't heard anyone speak so freely about it.
Speaker 1: We ask all the hard questions and Nicky honestly does
Speaker 1: not hold back. But Britt, I have something I want
Speaker 1: to ask you because a bit of a weird time
Speaker 1: for us now, because Marley is almost three's two and
Speaker 1: a half, she's old enough to understand the concept of
Speaker 1: Christmas like she understands Santa. I don't know if she
Speaker 1: fully understands that Santa's coming on one night.
Speaker 2: Of the year.
Speaker 1: Guys, just a little editor's note on this one, I
Speaker 1: am about to talk about some things around Santa Claus
Speaker 1: that maybe aren't appropriate for little ears. And I know
Speaker 1: that some of you listen to this in the car
Speaker 1: with your kids, so if you want to skip ahead,
Speaker 1: I'll just skip ahead a few minutes. But also just
Speaker 1: a reminder, this episode is about kink, so it might
Speaker 1: not be the episode that you want to listen to
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Car with the kids.
Speaker 1: But the more that we kind of sat down and
Speaker 1: talked about in Matt and I and we were like,
Speaker 1: how do we want to frame Christmas for our kids?
Speaker 1: Like what do we want the kids to grow up
Speaker 1: thinking and believing? And what do you want them to
Speaker 1: remember when they're older.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what you talk about when you're grown up.
Speaker 1: And obviously, like we all grew up believing in Santa Claus.
Speaker 1: Like we all grew up thinking, yeah, Santa was real,
Speaker 1: and then one day, maybe when we were seven, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 1: we had our little hearts crushed.
Speaker 2: When we were four years old, we had our heart crushed.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you found out that Santa wasn't real?
Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact moment, but I remember like
Speaker 3: there was no significant moment for me. But I remember
Speaker 3: I was probably about ten eleven. I think I was
Speaker 3: quite young. But we because I had my younger sister,
Speaker 3: there's four of us, you have to keep going. So
Speaker 3: my poor brothers were teenagers and they were still like
Speaker 3: Santa's coming.
Speaker 1: Do you know, I will never forget. I was like
Speaker 1: maybe seven or eight. I was at my cousin's house
Speaker 1: and it was my step cousin who my mum was
Speaker 1: married at the time, and her name was Veronica. And
Speaker 1: I remember Veronica and my coming to me and saying,
Speaker 1: Santa isn't real, Like you're an idiot if you believe
Speaker 1: in Santa? And I just remember my whole world just
Speaker 1: being like who am I? And it ran to my
Speaker 1: mom and I was like, Mum, tell me the truth.
Speaker 1: Is Santa not real? And she was like, yeah, nah,
Speaker 1: He's not real. Just traumatized.
Speaker 3: Do you know I have two older brothers. This is
Speaker 3: so funny. If they hear me tell his story, they're
Speaker 3: gonna die. My second oldest brother, Dane, he nearly got
Speaker 3: suspended from school because he got into a big punch
Speaker 3: up and my oldest brother had to tell him the truth.
Speaker 3: He got into a punch up at school because another
Speaker 3: kid told him that Santa wasn't.
Speaker 1: Real mate going on the fucking NAUGHTI list with that behavior, and.
Speaker 2: I was like, here, he is real. They've gone to
Speaker 2: a fight and they had a forum punch up for Dane.
Speaker 2: He's so loyal. He was defending Santa, and my brother
Speaker 2: had to be like, bro, like.
Speaker 3: I got I can't let you get into these school fights. Like,
Speaker 3: so that's how he found out.
Speaker 1: But I think that everybody, well no, I shouldn't say everybody.
Speaker 1: I think so many of us listening to this can
Speaker 1: remember the time that we found out that Santa wasn't real.
Speaker 1: Like it's a real pivotal part in your childhood. But
Speaker 1: something that I have a question for. So we've been okay,
Speaker 1: we've been doing the the groundwork on Sander's coming. He's
Speaker 1: bringing presents. Don't be naughty or you won't get anything.
Speaker 1: Why did Santa in every single movie that you've ever watched,
Speaker 1: in every single cartoon, in every single book, why does
Speaker 1: Sander go to the house drop off presents, then get
Speaker 1: on his slegh and fly away. Why doesn't he just
Speaker 1: delivered to the house next door, Like why does he
Speaker 1: go somewhere? So it seems very inefficient.
Speaker 2: I would like to.
Speaker 3: Ask the same thing about Australia Post.
Speaker 2: They throw it and they run. God knows where they
Speaker 2: go next. I actually wanted to.
Speaker 3: Ask you a question. It's probably not as deep and
Speaker 3: serious as your question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I really do bring the hard hitting ones.
Speaker 1: It's too close to Christmas. I've done nothing serious going
Speaker 1: into my life.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about Christmas pudding? Great? I detest it.
Speaker 2: I detest the look, the texture, the smell, the taste.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why Christmas pudding has to be our
Speaker 3: national Christmas dessert.
Speaker 1: Look, I mean it's a bit of an ugly darkling.
Speaker 1: Like you don't you don't put it on the table
Speaker 1: and be like, look at the masterpiece that is boiled
Speaker 1: Christmas pudding. It's very nostalgic for me. My grandma always
Speaker 1: cooked it as a kid. She'd spend six hours cooking
Speaker 1: a Christmas pudding, which sounds like it would be dry
Speaker 1: as fuck, but she would boil it.
Speaker 3: But people also make them like a year in advance,
Speaker 3: put them in the cupboard and let them fester, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's like a cheese.
Speaker 2: I was like, you don't do the same thing. As cheese.
Speaker 1: No, I'm glad that we think the opposite on this,
Speaker 1: but a bit of custard on there, I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: Do you want to know what happened on Christmas? I'd
Speaker 3: love to hear if anybody else has these kind of stories.
Speaker 3: But just like a Christmas, I guess a Christmas is
Speaker 3: accidentally unfiltered. That's what I would like to hear from
Speaker 3: you guys, just out of interest.
Speaker 2: One year, I have.
Speaker 3: A really, really good friend that's Muslim. He does not
Speaker 3: drink alcohol. He has never drunk alcohol in his whole
Speaker 3: life because it's just not what they believe in. I'm
Speaker 3: talking not even a sip. He spent Christmas with my
Speaker 3: family one year and we knew what he could eat.
Speaker 3: We catered for him for drinking, food and everything. The
Speaker 3: desserts come out and I has said to my mom
Speaker 3: and Mom, I'm throwing you onto the bus. I had
Speaker 3: said to my mom, Mom, like, there's no alcohol in anything,
Speaker 3: is there?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And She's like absolutely not. You know I know what
Speaker 2: it was, Yep.
Speaker 3: Anyway she puts she soaks the You know when you
Speaker 3: make a trifle and you have that like the bread
Speaker 3: at the bottom, what's it called it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's like a strange case. And you put
Speaker 2: like you we caught sucking the words. Yes, you put
Speaker 2: porn or you put sherry or something.
Speaker 3: He has soaked it in alcohol and just didn't even
Speaker 3: think for days and she puts it in. He eats it,
Speaker 3: he's like, this is delicious. Halfway through, I'm like, mom.
Speaker 2: This tastes like alcohol. He looks up. She looks at him.
Speaker 2: I look at him.
Speaker 3: There's a ten whye look across the table and he's like,
Speaker 3: did you just accidentally make me.
Speaker 2: Drink alcop for the first time in my life. He
Speaker 2: was thirty three years old and my mum ruined it
Speaker 2: for him. She was besides her.
Speaker 3: That was our Christmas accidentally unfiltered.
Speaker 2: That's a good she ruined all his beliefs. Anyway, if
Speaker 2: you guys have I just thought it was funny. I
Speaker 2: hadn't been thought of that until now.
Speaker 3: If you guys have any Christmas accidental filters, we'd love
Speaker 3: to hear them.
Speaker 1: Well, we wanted to keep this intro lighthearted. We were like,
Speaker 1: if we're coming into the end of the year, coming
Speaker 1: in hot for Christmas, nobody wants to hear about all
Speaker 1: the big bad and horrible things happening in the world.
Speaker 1: There's been a few, but one thing we did want
Speaker 1: to tell you, because this is a time of real
Speaker 1: change coming into the new year twenty twenty two, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll do a whole episode on New Year's resolutions that
Speaker 1: we never ever keep, but one because we do do
Speaker 1: that every year. Yes, we absolutely do, and we have
Speaker 1: never kept any of them. Do as we say, not
Speaker 1: as we do.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: One thing I do want to talk to you guys
Speaker 1: about that is the iOS update on Apple. If you
Speaker 1: are an Apple user, you will be familiar with the
Speaker 1: fact that just recently, Apple has rolled out a new
Speaker 1: update and one of the weirdest, most unnecessary changes that
Speaker 1: they have made is moving the search bar on Safari
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the page.
Speaker 3: Apple needs to be put in the bin. Goodbye Apple.
Speaker 3: You are a little rotten fruit.
Speaker 2: I hope they don't ever want to sponsor the podcast.
Speaker 2: You are rotten fruit. You need to go in the bin.
Speaker 2: Why would you do this? I have a theory.
Speaker 3: They want people to feel like they're constantly doing things
Speaker 3: for improvement. They want people to feel like, oh, but
Speaker 3: look what we did this year. We did this, this
Speaker 3: and this and then because they.
Speaker 2: Charge extraortion rates.
Speaker 3: I think they're just trying to make people think that
Speaker 3: they are making improvements when all it's doing is sending
Speaker 3: people insane.
Speaker 1: Well also, like, I mean, I think that this is
Speaker 1: a true testament to the fact that we hate change.
Speaker 1: Like we talk about how we like change. We talk
Speaker 1: about that we like, you know, the exciting things that
Speaker 1: come with being able to have new opportunities and do
Speaker 1: new things. But at the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: all hate change. Any single time Instagram rolls out of
Speaker 1: change whatever it is, everyone hates it. Facebook hates it.
Speaker 1: These are free platforms that we don't pay anything for,
Speaker 1: but we get really angry whenever they change something about it.
Speaker 2: Controversial opinion. I love change. I love change. Do I
Speaker 2: like the update?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But change is like a whole I froth it.
Speaker 3: I've been the person that's like, I could move to
Speaker 3: another country tomorrow one hundred percent. You don't need to
Speaker 3: give me any warm up, lead up, you don't need
Speaker 3: to tell me any details.
Speaker 2: I could just turn up and roll with it.
Speaker 1: But if you move my search bar to the bottom
Speaker 1: of the apple. Okay, so this is my hot tip,
Speaker 1: and we put this up on our Instagram up on
Speaker 1: life on cut podcast. If you're not following, guys, it's
Speaker 1: full of gray life advice. Here is my hot tip.
Speaker 1: If you want to move your search bar from the
Speaker 1: iOS at the bottom of the phone back up to
Speaker 1: where it belongs in its rightful, glorious place at the top,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is go into Safari, hit
Speaker 1: the AA, and do it. Let's do with this in
Speaker 1: real time everyone. I actually have to open your phone.
Speaker 2: I'm in Safari.
Speaker 1: Open Safari, click the AA, which is next to the
Speaker 1: search bar.
Speaker 2: I don't even have that. Yeah, see the little A
Speaker 2: and then the game. I was looking at the top.
Speaker 1: Okay, Like at the very very bottom left, there's two
Speaker 1: capital letter as, one smaller one's big yeah. Press the
Speaker 1: very top one which says show top address bar. Press
Speaker 1: that and you are welcome.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you've just given it back to me.
Speaker 2: And it is just update.
Speaker 3: I hope we've changed some of your lives like you've
Speaker 3: just changed mine, Laura.
Speaker 2: You are very welcome.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, and we're going to bring you some accidentally
Speaker 3: unfiltered We love this section, but I am actually going
Speaker 3: a little bit rogue and I am bringing you a confessional.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: The reason I'm bringing you a confessional today is because
Speaker 3: it ties in very nicely with the conversation we had
Speaker 3: last week on Ask Guncut. If you listened, you will
Speaker 3: remember we spoke about a trade that absolutely destroyed Laura's toilet.
Speaker 3: Then we went to speak about pooping in rentals in
Speaker 3: terms of when you're viewing rentals.
Speaker 2: So we're going to an inspection.
Speaker 1: Like, is it okay to go and do a house
Speaker 1: inspection and use the toilet at the same time, and
Speaker 1: thinks it is, and we still will never agree on this.
Speaker 3: I had no, I don't think it is, but I'd
Speaker 3: rather do that than shat my pants.
Speaker 2: I have ready, Laura.
Speaker 3: I had so many people write to me saying, Laura
Speaker 3: has obviously never been in a position. So many people
Speaker 3: are saying, when you need to go, you need to go.
Speaker 3: Laura obviously has not experienced that. Otherwise you'd be like,
Speaker 3: you are exploiting.
Speaker 2: In that toilet.
Speaker 3: But this confessional has to do with that. When I
Speaker 3: was in my early twenties, my ex and I inspected
Speaker 3: an apartment by ourselves, the ones where the real estate
Speaker 3: gives you the keys and trusts you to be responsible adults.
Speaker 2: Well, we decided to be really.
Speaker 3: Responsible and have sex in the apartment.
Speaker 2: On all the floors and beds. We innocently returned to
Speaker 2: the keys and said the place looked really nice, but
Speaker 2: then we didn't even apply for it. Upon reflection, what
Speaker 2: the hell? Who does that?
Speaker 3: There is a time and a place, and I really
Speaker 3: don't think that was it anyway. Moral of the story,
Speaker 3: wipe all surfaces when moving into a rental because you
Speaker 3: don't know what or who has been getting it on.
Speaker 3: Also related to your story, I've noticed that while inspecting rentals,
Speaker 3: most of them don't have toilet paper anymore.
Speaker 2: I think pooping during.
Speaker 3: Inspection is far more common than you think that, or
Speaker 3: the previous tenants have locked on the toilet paper away
Speaker 3: because of COVID.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you god.
Speaker 3: I think that what I have done previously is very innocent.
Speaker 1: I like that you've made this whole episode about you
Speaker 1: and absolving your sins.
Speaker 3: Well, it makes me realize that I don't get off
Speaker 3: on going to rental infections and pooping.
Speaker 2: No, what things you do, it is not my kink lora,
Speaker 2: it is not my feti. But if it was, there's
Speaker 2: no shame here.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure that people have had sex at a
Speaker 3: rental inspections.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I received another confessional this week and one of our
Speaker 1: lovely listeners went to a Christmas party and had sex
Speaker 1: with a coworker on her boss's desk. And to that,
Speaker 1: I say, your sins are absolved to that ice solution.
Speaker 2: All right, I have a very funny accidentally unfiltered.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately they're always to do with toilets, but luckily this
Speaker 1: one has nothing to do with the human, more so
Speaker 1: with a dog.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies, boy, do I have a doozy.
Speaker 1: My dog has been a bit unwealthy past couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and yes, this is a little bit gross, but he
Speaker 1: keeps having accidents during the day, like only a little bit,
Speaker 1: but holy hell, it smells unbelievably bad. So he took
Speaker 1: him to the vet the other day to have him
Speaker 1: checked out. And the vet is down in the business
Speaker 1: end inspecting my dog's backside. When the vet says, ah, yes,
Speaker 1: the issue is anal sex.
Speaker 2: I was shocked.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell? In my mind, I
Speaker 1: was actually like, what the fuck are you saying? My
Speaker 1: dog has not been having anal sex. I'm like a
Speaker 1: stage five dog mum and my dog is literally never alone,
Speaker 1: so I know my dog hasn't been getting the hanky
Speaker 1: panky on let alone in the backside. So I asked
Speaker 1: the vettie again, I'm sorry, what did you just say?
Speaker 1: And she looks me dead in the eye and says,
Speaker 1: it's because of your dog's anal sex. Now I was
Speaker 1: starting to feel a little bit flustered and judged, and
Speaker 1: also a bit angry, to be honest, like as if
Speaker 1: I'm just letting my dog run around the dog park
Speaker 1: having anal sex. I said, if it's best life, excuse me,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's correct. And the vet looked at
Speaker 1: me confused, and she says, well, if you would like,
Speaker 1: you can take him and get a second opinion. And
Speaker 1: I turn around I say so defiantly to the vet
Speaker 1: my dog has not been having anal sex. The vet
Speaker 1: looks at me and bursts out laughing anal secks. Your
Speaker 1: dog needs to get his anal sex expressed, doesn't bust I.
Speaker 2: Have to do every week? I am gone levitating to the.
Speaker 3: Skuy Oh great, hang on, I actually haven't ever asked
Speaker 3: you what do you have to do to busters butt
Speaker 3: every week?
Speaker 2: We don't need to talk about it. It's such a
Speaker 2: gross topic.
Speaker 3: Because I think a lot of this thing is probably
Speaker 3: more common. You have to express the anal glance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, Sergeant. I take him to the vet
Speaker 2: and the vet does it? Do you? Yeah? Every week
Speaker 2: you take him to the vet. Every three weeks. I
Speaker 2: take him to the vet butt massage at anal massage.
Speaker 2: He's faking it. What's the attention on that note?
Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect segue for us to get
Speaker 1: into an episode on kinks.
Speaker 2: Let's chat to Chantelle on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Today we have Australia's most well known sex ologist, chanteal Otten,
Speaker 1: here to talk about all things to do with kinks.
Speaker 2: Chantelle, welcome to Life on Cut.
Speaker 4: Thanks, I'm excited to be back. I've missed you guys.
Speaker 4: I think it's been about a year or so, so
Speaker 4: I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3: We had chantal on and it was so much fun
Speaker 3: and if you guys have not listened to that, you
Speaker 3: need to go back. It was very, very eye opening.
Speaker 3: But today is a little bit different. Today we're going
Speaker 3: to get kinky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited. Kink is such a good topic.
Speaker 1: So for anyone who doesn't know what is like, what
Speaker 1: is it to have a kink? What does it mean
Speaker 1: to have a kink? And is a kink different to
Speaker 1: a fetish?
Speaker 3: There were so many questions in that, Laura, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's start at the top and work our way back.
Speaker 4: Let me just get at my thesis. No, So, a
Speaker 4: kink is something that someone likes to do by themselves
Speaker 4: or consentually with a partner or multiple partners, that arouses them,
Speaker 4: that makes them feel you know, turned on, horny, and
Speaker 4: it's considered outside of the mainstream sexual activities, which you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what really is considered mainstream anymore.
Speaker 4: I think that kinks are becoming much more mainstream, but
Speaker 4: they are a little bit different to fetishes. So a
Speaker 4: fetish is similar to a kink, but the difference is
Speaker 4: that a fetish must be present in order for the
Speaker 4: person to achieve sexual arousal. It has to be there
Speaker 4: in order for them to feel horny and feel turned on.
Speaker 4: A fetish could be something like people's feet, or like
Speaker 4: having sex in public. It could be like wearing a nappy,
Speaker 4: like an adult nappy, that kind of thing, And it's
Speaker 4: important to remember that you have to have it there
Speaker 4: in order for it to be considered a fetish.
Speaker 1: So for somebody who has a fetish, what you're saying
Speaker 1: is like they literally wouldn't feel aroused or turned on
Speaker 1: without actually having whatever that fetish is present. But someone
Speaker 1: who has a kink can get off in all different ways,
Speaker 1: but they kind of have this one thing that they
Speaker 1: like to.
Speaker 4: Do or multiple things. I mean, you can have a few.
Speaker 4: So kin can be like anything to do with BDSM,
Speaker 4: so bondage, dominance, masochism, saddism. It can be like, you know,
Speaker 4: dressing up in a certain outfit or different outfits. It
Speaker 4: could be, you know, spanking each other, or it could be, yeah,
Speaker 4: having sex outdoors. It's just a kink. You don't need
Speaker 4: it to be there in order to get aroused, but
Speaker 4: definitely for or someone who has a fetish, they needed
Speaker 4: to be there.
Speaker 3: So you did just say something interesting. You said, kinks
Speaker 3: are starting to become more mainstream.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3: Do you think that is just because we're seeing more speaking.
Speaker 2: About it more. Do you think that this is why more.
Speaker 3: People starting to talk more openly about their personal experiences.
Speaker 4: It's really interesting because for a really long time, topics
Speaker 4: such as kink and fetishes were really not talked about,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't until twenty ten that the World Health
Speaker 4: Organization and the United States basically said that fetishes and
Speaker 4: BDSM were just terms wide umbrella terms for different interests.
Speaker 4: And before that they were considered pathological. You were considered
Speaker 4: to be quite sick if you were engaging with that.
Speaker 4: You know, people lost jobs for engaging in kink. You know,
Speaker 4: parents were declared unfit to be parents if they were
Speaker 4: talked about engaging in these practices. And I think also
Speaker 4: so like in movies, we really saw that it was
Speaker 4: like the bad guy that had a kink or the
Speaker 4: bad guy that wanted to engage in these kind of practices.
Speaker 4: I think shows like Billions Yes, can show us that.
Speaker 4: I also find that you see that it's usually millionaires
Speaker 4: and billionaires I considered to be like kinky. It's like
Speaker 4: a hidden, dark secret, kind of like fifty shades of gray,
Speaker 4: of course, and then that like cult show where there's
Speaker 4: the guy he's a serial killer, he's like a narcissist,
Speaker 4: and he's engaging in these kind of practices. So it's
Speaker 4: really seen as like this taboothing. I think they're in
Speaker 4: fifty shades of gray. That's when I when I saw
Speaker 4: a lot more people talking about kinks and fetishes, and
Speaker 4: that's where you can see sales from sex toys in
Speaker 4: that area, you know, paddles, whips, handcuffs, et cetera, really increase.
Speaker 4: Now because these products are more available and we are
Speaker 4: talking about them in general, I think that they're becoming
Speaker 4: much more mainstream. In fact, people are just saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: I love or I just like to do this. They're
Speaker 4: not even labeling it in a certain way, if that
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 3: So was there a big correlation? I mean, like it's
Speaker 3: probably obvious and I should have looked it up. Was
Speaker 3: there a big correlation between sales of these toys after
Speaker 3: fifty Shades of Gray?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So Lohaney has fifty Shades of Gray range and
Speaker 4: Tracy Cox, who wrote fifty Shades of Gray is the
Speaker 4: co owner of that, and it goes incredibly well and.
Speaker 2: Is now a billionaire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's fuck lighted. Why didn't we write those books?
Speaker 4: Why didn't we lead out dirty Minds? I mean we
Speaker 4: were probably ten women came out or whatever.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the sort of scale of what
Speaker 1: can constitute a kink. You sort of said, you know, spanking,
Speaker 1: on one end of the spectrum, But like, what does
Speaker 1: the scale look like for when we're talking about what
Speaker 1: a kink is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think it's more individualized. So something that
Speaker 4: might be considered really kinky for you might be considered
Speaker 4: super normal for me. So we can't actually put it
Speaker 4: on much of us. We actually just have to look
Speaker 4: at it with more of an open minded curiosity. I
Speaker 4: think that if we were to look at it in
Speaker 4: more of it like a scale type of things, we
Speaker 4: would see things like pain kind of coming up towards
Speaker 4: the higher end of the scale. I would also consider
Speaker 4: things that are illegal to be up that high end
Speaker 4: as well. So these are things that need to be
Speaker 4: very much negotiated so that they don't cross any boundaries
Speaker 4: and that there is consensuality within these practices as well.
Speaker 4: I would say though, that the king community has the
Speaker 4: best practice of consent that I can see as a
Speaker 4: sex educator, because they know they have to be safe
Speaker 4: with these practices because if they step over the line,
Speaker 4: they can really hurt someone or cause damage as well
Speaker 4: that might be with like choking or spanking, or crossing
Speaker 4: boundaries or creating trauma. So there is a huge amount
Speaker 4: of discussion around consent within these boundaries too.
Speaker 1: When you say something that could be illegal, what us
Speaker 1: some types of kings that maybe really push that end
Speaker 1: of the spectrum.
Speaker 4: That's a really good question. For example, when you want
Speaker 4: to display yourself, for example, it's like voyeurism, or you
Speaker 4: want to show off what you're doing from an erotic
Speaker 4: point of view, that might be like touching yourself, and
Speaker 4: it might be in public. For example, I remember being
Speaker 4: really young and a man riding his bike past me
Speaker 4: and stopping and pulling open his jacket and he was
Speaker 4: naked underneath. So that is illegal. You can't do that.
Speaker 4: You have to engage in an audience of some sort,
Speaker 4: go to a sex party, go to you know, a
Speaker 4: group sex situation where that is appropriate, or you know,
Speaker 4: say to your sexual partner like, hey, just satting you know,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be in the park at this time.
Speaker 4: You're the only person I'm showing this too, for example.
Speaker 4: But a lot of the times this becomes quite an
Speaker 4: intense feeling for that person that they need to engage
Speaker 4: in this. From this we're talking about like from a
Speaker 4: fetish level, they need to do this. A king is
Speaker 4: more like can they can choose to do it if
Speaker 4: they want to. Another thing that could be illegal is,
Speaker 4: for example, if you have like a little kink, like
Speaker 4: maybe you want to wear a nappy, and wearing a
Speaker 4: nappy in front of someone and talking about how you
Speaker 4: like to wear that and how it makes you feel
Speaker 4: can be organized with it like an erotic partner. If
Speaker 4: you try to do it, for example, in a therapy
Speaker 4: session with me, that would be considered illegal because you're
Speaker 4: having a sexual interaction with me and I don't actually
Speaker 4: know that you're doing that.
Speaker 2: Got you okay?
Speaker 3: How common is it for you as a therapist in
Speaker 3: this industry? How common is it that people come to
Speaker 3: you wanting to explore kings or confused about if they're
Speaker 3: into something and how to go about it. Like for
Speaker 3: all the things people come to see for, what sort
Speaker 3: of a percentage do you think kinks is. I know
Speaker 3: that's a hard one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard for me to defind how many. I
Speaker 4: think that It's actually not as high as what I
Speaker 4: usually see because I think people embrace it a lot
Speaker 4: more than not. They don't feel like it's much of
Speaker 4: a problem. People only come to see me when they're
Speaker 4: really distressed or whether they you know, maybe they don't
Speaker 4: know how to tell their sexual partner or be single
Speaker 4: with this kind of kink that they want to practice in.
Speaker 4: So I would say maybe like thirty percent come with
Speaker 4: a specific concern around kink or question, But most of
Speaker 4: my patients like engage in kink anyway, in some sort
Speaker 4: of form, probably usually on the lower scale form. Some
Speaker 4: of them are just coming to negotiate how they feel.
Speaker 4: You know, if.
Speaker 1: Somebody realizes that they have a kink, that maybe this
Speaker 1: is something that's new to them, or you know, it's
Speaker 1: been a desire that they've had for a while, but
Speaker 1: they haven't really.
Speaker 2: Explored it yet.
Speaker 1: How would you suggest somebody goes about bringing it up
Speaker 1: with their sexual partner or goes about actually initiating in kink.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think the first thing that needs to
Speaker 4: happen is there needs to be an understanding of why
Speaker 4: they want to engage in that. You know, what does
Speaker 4: it feel to them, what does it mean to them,
Speaker 4: what does it mean to their imagination, their fantasy they're eroticism,
Speaker 4: you know. I think it's also like, is it a
Speaker 4: non negotiable for a lot of people. It's not, But
Speaker 4: for a lot of people as well, they go, well,
Speaker 4: I need my sexual partner to be open to me
Speaker 4: sharing my interest with them, and I think that that's
Speaker 4: really healthy. We cannot expect our sexual partners to immediately
Speaker 4: be accepting off all the things that we want to
Speaker 4: do in the bedroom. We just have to say something
Speaker 4: along the lines of hey, babe, like I want to
Speaker 4: add a little bit of variety into our sex life.
Speaker 4: And I've been thinking I really want to look at
Speaker 4: doing a bit of medisam. I was thinking I'd really
Speaker 4: like if you spanked me a little bit, or maybe
Speaker 4: we could try more anal play or using a strap
Speaker 4: or something. So you bring it up in a light way.
Speaker 4: I tend to encourage people not to do it in
Speaker 4: the bedroom. It's better to do it outside the bedroom.
Speaker 4: Maybe like when you're driving. I think if you've got
Speaker 4: a penis owning partner something or they're like a little
Speaker 4: bit kind of looking out the window, they can own
Speaker 4: off a little bit is good and not like a
Speaker 4: high pressure situation.
Speaker 3: So don't get into the bedroom and just like whip
Speaker 3: out a strap on so surprised we're doing some pegan baby.
Speaker 2: Don't walk out?
Speaker 4: Would this strap on on? Unless you know your partner's
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 3: Do not run at your partner with a strap on
Speaker 3: under any circumstances.
Speaker 4: Don't just wake them up tap on the shoulder, just
Speaker 4: trap off, rub it on their back. Nah. I think
Speaker 4: it's more like you need to also understand that they
Speaker 4: might be like, oh, and I don't know. Just say
Speaker 4: to them. You don't have to answer me now, but
Speaker 4: I just want you to consider it. And they might
Speaker 4: go okay, well how would that work? And you you
Speaker 4: have to be able to explain or say, I don't know, actually,
Speaker 4: but I saw this post on it, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: on Chintel Speed, or I've read an article about it somewhere,
Speaker 4: or the girls on Life on Cut we're talking about
Speaker 4: it and I'm really interested. And then you can do
Speaker 4: research together and you go slow, you ease into it.
Speaker 4: Don't pretend that you're an expert if you're not, you know,
Speaker 4: make sure that you take your time. And of course
Speaker 4: you have to say how you're going to negotiate boundaries,
Speaker 4: what is the how are you going to express that
Speaker 4: you're consenting, and how are you going to be able
Speaker 4: to express or ask for ongoing consent? So it has
Speaker 4: to be touching base. Quite often when you're starting with
Speaker 4: these things. It's only people who are experts that can say, hey, babe,
Speaker 4: like you don't need to you don't need to ask
Speaker 4: for consent for this, but my safe word is pineapple
Speaker 4: for example. That's when you have to stop.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, that's where we see in
Speaker 3: like Fifty Shades of Gray. You know, they really drove
Speaker 3: home the consent and the safe word. So do you
Speaker 3: think that's actually a really good idea? That's not something
Speaker 3: for the movies? This safe word? Say it at the start.
Speaker 3: Pick your word, pick your fruit, Pick your poison.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Pick your fucking fruit, babe. Pick your fruit.
Speaker 4: Doesn't have to be plainable, that would per you're not
Speaker 4: going to use it on you, but you have to
Speaker 4: use it to stop it.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what if in the instance that your kink
Speaker 1: is being gagged and tied and you aren't able to
Speaker 1: do verbal consent, Well, that is.
Speaker 4: Really thinking this No, it's true, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 4: true true true yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like consent can come in more than
Speaker 1: just a verbal form. So how would you recommend in
Speaker 1: those instances somebody goes around being able to give appropriate
Speaker 1: ongoing consent throughout the experience of what they're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so something like having like a ribbon in your
Speaker 4: hand or being able to wave your hand if you're
Speaker 4: not tied up. If you are trying things like gagging,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't recommend that you go straight into being tied
Speaker 4: up as well. I think you have to go slowly.
Speaker 4: So tied up for maybe put the gag on, but
Speaker 4: then the person who is being dominant has to really
Speaker 4: engage and be very aware of the person's body movements
Speaker 4: if they are gagged, something like pausing and going like
Speaker 4: do you still like this? Like blink or like nod
Speaker 4: your head or something like that. If the person starts
Speaker 4: shaking their head, pulling away, etc. Then it absolutely needs
Speaker 4: to stop. But if you can negotiate some signs where
Speaker 4: you're like, I know, if I want to stop, I'm
Speaker 4: going to be shaking my head because you really can't
Speaker 4: hide like a shaking off the head, then that will
Speaker 4: obviously stop the session or pause the session until the
Speaker 4: person gets more comfortable. You also need to talk a
Speaker 4: lot about after care. What are you going to do
Speaker 4: after you engage in that kink, because after care is
Speaker 4: really important. You don't want to be just you know,
Speaker 4: tying someone up gagging them and fucking them and going Okay,
Speaker 4: that was so great. I'm just going to go have
Speaker 4: a shower. Like, you need to make sure that they're okay.
Speaker 4: How did it feel for them? Was there anything that
Speaker 4: they didn't feel that comfortable with that they'd like to
Speaker 4: tweak for next time? Did they love it? Can they
Speaker 4: explain their experience to you? Are they willing to try
Speaker 4: more things or different things, et cetera. So you need
Speaker 4: to be able to, you know, have some snuggles if
Speaker 4: that's what you're into afterwards, but definitely some conversations.
Speaker 3: So come back to I mean what we say in
Speaker 3: every single episode of Life Uncut. That's just conversation and
Speaker 3: communication and whatever that looks like, whether that is verbal,
Speaker 3: or whether that is a movement or a ribbon or
Speaker 3: whatever it is. It's just making sure you set your
Speaker 3: boundaries before you start. What about somebody that wants to
Speaker 3: explore their kinks? Like I feel like what we just
Speaker 3: spoke about is great if you have someone to explore
Speaker 3: that with them that you trust and that you love
Speaker 3: and you're in a safe place. What if you don't
Speaker 3: have a partner that's not even on the radar, You're
Speaker 3: not even dating, but you want to explore that, are
Speaker 3: there places you can go? Are their websites or there
Speaker 3: are orgies and sex clubs, and of course there are
Speaker 3: places like that, but are there really specific I guess
Speaker 3: organizations and safe places for people that want to explore
Speaker 3: specific kinks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's an organization called Curious Creatures in Melbourne.
Speaker 4: I don't know about Sydney. I will have to check
Speaker 4: up on that. And for the other states and international international,
Speaker 4: I mean, I know like in Amsterdam that there's some
Speaker 4: great clubs and in Berlin, but again I think I
Speaker 4: think going into a situation where you can be taught.
Speaker 4: Curious Creatures they have like workshops where you can go
Speaker 4: and learn how to be dominant or be submissive, or
Speaker 4: learn how to negotiate different styles of kink as well,
Speaker 4: and I think that that's super healthy. You know, also,
Speaker 4: like just engaging with someone like myself is really important,
Speaker 4: so you can have a conversation about how you communicate
Speaker 4: that to maybe one night stands or something. You'll be
Speaker 4: surprised how many people can go on a one night
Speaker 4: stand and go hey, like I'm really like I'm a
Speaker 4: bit kinky, and the person will be like cool, like,
Speaker 4: let's see how that goes. But I guess the problem
Speaker 4: as well with one night stand is you don't know
Speaker 4: that person and you don't know if they're going to
Speaker 4: respect your boundaries too. So I think going to workshops
Speaker 4: or clubs is probably a better way to go because
Speaker 4: at least you know that people that you're engaging with
Speaker 4: have practices that are safe. You know they're not going
Speaker 4: to put you in harm's way or in danger.
Speaker 1: What would you say to someone who knows that they
Speaker 1: have a kink but feels shameful for it, or still
Speaker 1: is dealing with the stigma that can surround having a kink?
Speaker 4: Okay? So I more say to everyone everyone that you
Speaker 4: can never yuck someone else's young. Something that I find yummy,
Speaker 4: you might not find yummy. You're not going to judge
Speaker 4: me for that. You just have to go cool like
Speaker 4: that shin Tell's preference, And for anyone who's struggling to
Speaker 4: know whether their kink is okay or not, I honestly
Speaker 4: believe that kinks are just normal now, and I think
Speaker 4: that we need to start saying it is about individual practices.
Speaker 4: The problem is, we weren't even taught that sex was okay.
Speaker 4: For such a long time, we were taught that sex
Speaker 4: is only for marriage and you know, husband and wife,
Speaker 4: and it has to be blah blah blah's you're going
Speaker 4: to get pregnant, et cetera. We were taught fear mongering
Speaker 4: techniques around sex education, and what we need to be
Speaker 4: talking about now is empowering sex positive you know, sexual education,
Speaker 4: and that is the same with kink. In my book,
Speaker 4: it's not even seen as a separate practice. It's just
Speaker 4: part of having fun sex. So I really do think
Speaker 4: that if you're struggling to know whether you're normal or not,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't hide away and sync into that. I would
Speaker 4: train lean into going to places where you can feel normal,
Speaker 4: or going to websites where you can get more education
Speaker 4: about it, or talking to people in sextores about what
Speaker 4: you're feeling, or talking to a therapist. I had a
Speaker 4: patient who really believed that their style of pornography was
Speaker 4: not okay because she's considered quite fem and what she
Speaker 4: was looking at was a bit more hardcore, and I
Speaker 4: was like, it's just your imagination, your creativity. It doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that you want that thing to happen to you
Speaker 4: as well. It's just something that excites you and arouses you.
Speaker 4: And we can also remember things that we find kinking
Speaker 4: or find attractive or arousing. We don't actually have to
Speaker 4: play them out either. We can just watch pornography or
Speaker 4: listen to audio porn around it, or read erotic literature
Speaker 4: around it and find it exciting fantasize.
Speaker 3: I listened to another podcast and one of the girls
Speaker 3: on the podcast was saying that she loves watching lesbian porn,
Speaker 3: she always has, but she has no interest in being
Speaker 3: with a woman. And she's like, at the start, I
Speaker 3: couldn't really understand it. I didn't understand why that was
Speaker 3: my jam and that was what I enjoyed watching and
Speaker 3: that's what turned me on when I don't want to
Speaker 3: be with a woman. And she just said, it's just
Speaker 3: because I enjoy watching it's beautiful and it's sensual, and
Speaker 3: it's different to men and women porn. And I think
Speaker 3: that's sort of just a prime example of that. It's
Speaker 3: just every single person is individual, and what gets someone
Speaker 3: going might be different to somebody else.
Speaker 4: I think it's important to remember that fantasy can be
Speaker 4: just fantasy. It doesn't have to be reality as well.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the different types of kings
Speaker 1: and unpack some of the most popular ones, some of
Speaker 1: maybe the more controversial ones. What do you think is
Speaker 1: like the most common kink? What are some of the
Speaker 1: biggest ones?
Speaker 4: So some of the most common types of kink, I
Speaker 4: would say, I'm going to go through a little bit
Speaker 4: more alphabetically, So bondage would be a really good one.
Speaker 4: So forms of restraint. It's pretty self explanatory being tied up.
Speaker 4: I also thinks like dominance is super common. So when
Speaker 4: someone wants to be the power person in the bedroom,
Speaker 4: they want to be in control, and there is a
Speaker 4: submissive person, the person that doesn't want to be in control.
Speaker 4: It's really interesting because a few years ago I wrote
Speaker 4: an article about this because people were saying, how can
Speaker 4: women who were in these high you know, flying jobs,
Speaker 4: who were celebrities or like CEOs want to be submissive
Speaker 4: in the bedroom? And I was like, because they're just
Speaker 4: in control in every single aspect of their life, Like
Speaker 4: of course they want to be. They want to give
Speaker 4: over the control once in a while.
Speaker 2: Like fuck, someone else make the decision. I just don't
Speaker 2: want to do it anymore.
Speaker 4: You do it, and do it well, please Another one
Speaker 4: is like gagging, so putting something in your mouth, maybe
Speaker 4: it's like a scarf or you know, you can get
Speaker 4: professional gags from sex stores as well. Impact play is
Speaker 4: a really big one as well, so hands, whips, paddles,
Speaker 4: whatever you want, like a spatulage, just something that will
Speaker 4: hit the body and create a bit of an impact.
Speaker 4: It can be a soft hit, it can be a
Speaker 4: playful hit, or it can really get into a bit
Speaker 4: more hard hitting as well. I think things like masochism,
Speaker 4: of course, where you are getting pleasure from the kind
Speaker 4: of heightened sensations from sex. You know, pain for example,
Speaker 4: would be a really good one, whether that be physical
Speaker 4: or emotional, is a really popular one.
Speaker 3: In terms of masochism. When you say that that is
Speaker 3: the idea of pain. Is that the person delivering the
Speaker 3: pain that they're getting off on delivering it, or is
Speaker 3: it somebody that gets off on being in pain and
Speaker 3: receiving the.
Speaker 4: Pain, so that's supposedly receiving it most of the time,
Speaker 4: Sadism is when you're inflicting pain on someone else, inflicting
Speaker 4: emotional pain on someone else or physical pain on someone else.
Speaker 4: I think things like role play would be super common,
Speaker 4: like dressing up as a nurse, like doctor and nurse scenario,
Speaker 4: like doctor in patient scenario, that kind of thing. I
Speaker 4: think a lot of us have had those kind of
Speaker 4: role play like fantasies to Boston Secretary. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the listeners are into, but I
Speaker 4: always find that role plays a really interesting one.
Speaker 2: Have you role played, Laura? No? Never?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I feel like also now, like everyone on this podcast
Speaker 1: knows if my non existent sex life, so no.
Speaker 2: Have you. I'm laughing like Chanta.
Speaker 3: You probably see that I'm smiling while you're saying this,
Speaker 3: I can't do it. You're supposed to be an actress, Brittany, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's yeah. And Hunt said, if it was at
Speaker 3: a film, great, but when I'm giggling.
Speaker 4: You're giggling the whole time.
Speaker 3: When you were just saying that when you were talking
Speaker 3: about role play, in my mind, I just tried to
Speaker 3: picture myself doing it, and I started laughing because I
Speaker 3: just don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think I can do it seriously.
Speaker 3: And that's just me personally, because I'm a little giggle
Speaker 3: machine anyway, So I just think I would just think
Speaker 3: the whole thing is so funny.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think about my own scenario. I'm like, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 4: like a little bit, but I haven't gone as far
Speaker 4: as like dressing up for that kind of thing. It's
Speaker 4: just kind of entered into it. But then, like my
Speaker 4: role play in the past was when I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe actually engaging with a doctor in my old past life,
Speaker 4: like when yeah, when I was sloring around Europe, I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think for some people there, really they can really
Speaker 4: get into it and really get creative, and I'm so
Speaker 4: here for that. I think that's amazing. I think things
Speaker 4: like voyeurism is also really popular, where you find it
Speaker 4: pleasurable to watch other people get it on. This is
Speaker 4: one that can also go into that like illegal mode too.
Speaker 4: So if you're going around sneaking around and looking in
Speaker 4: people's windows, that's naughty and you shouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. You know you're talking more about you
Speaker 3: can go to sex clergy and you can watch in
Speaker 3: that capacity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting question though, what like, where
Speaker 1: does the line you see it look in their window? Laura, No,
Speaker 1: I definitely have no interest in doing that, but where
Speaker 1: does the line sit in regards to something that can
Speaker 1: be classified as a kink and something that goes beyond
Speaker 1: that and is actually problematic.
Speaker 4: I think when you're doing things and you can't control
Speaker 4: your urges to do them, that's when it can and
Speaker 4: it's distressing, or it's for you or for other people,
Speaker 4: that's when we consider it a bit more problematic.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about exhibitionism. So I guess voyeurism and exhibitionism
Speaker 3: go hand in hand in a sense, like you would
Speaker 3: those the same people would be at the same sort
Speaker 3: of sex club.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 4: Maybe? I mean you might actually not want to exhibit
Speaker 4: yourself if you're into watching others actually, so you can
Speaker 4: separate them. Exhibitionism is when you're like showing other people
Speaker 4: how you have sex or how you stimulate yourself and
Speaker 4: you want others to watch. But yeah, sex clubs are
Speaker 4: really wonderful for that, and I think that it's important
Speaker 4: that if any listeners are looking to engage in sex clubs,
Speaker 4: go to nights that are a bit more low key.
Speaker 4: For wolve owners. Don't go to like the mixed nights,
Speaker 4: because you end up with like all these penis owners
Speaker 4: and like two volp owners and they're just like standing
Speaker 4: around or watching and touching themselves. I would go to
Speaker 4: like a couple's night like go with a friend or something,
Speaker 4: or go to the fame kind of sex parties as well.
Speaker 4: I think that's really important. Just you also don't have
Speaker 4: to engage the first time you go to a sex club.
Speaker 4: You can just watch as well.
Speaker 1: What is I mean, We've got a few of them
Speaker 1: listed out and we did a bit of a deep
Speaker 1: dive into like some of the most popular kings. But
Speaker 1: what is age play?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, ah LA's are really good one. So that's
Speaker 4: basically role play where one or both of the partners
Speaker 4: are pretending to be a different age to what they
Speaker 4: actually are. So maybe like younger, like a teenager, you know,
Speaker 4: putting their hair and pigtails or whatever. Or it can
Speaker 4: be like a baby that kind of thing, like daddy
Speaker 4: baby girl that kind of thing. Or it can be
Speaker 4: referring to someone like really old, like like a real zaddy,
Speaker 4: you know, that kind of thing, like a sugar daddy
Speaker 4: kind of vibes, or like a madame or a mistress
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. So it's just pretending to act
Speaker 4: like someone who is different to your actual age. I
Speaker 4: think can we more see it like on the daddy
Speaker 4: and like the friend of the daughter kind of vibe.
Speaker 4: That's what you're see in a lot of pornography, right,
Speaker 4: like dad walks in on my daughter's friend that kind
Speaker 4: of vibe or something like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Chantell, we have two that we want to finish
Speaker 3: on now. One that I find really interesting and I
Speaker 3: think it's a lot more common than people think. It's
Speaker 3: europhilia or otherwise known as water sports or the golden
Speaker 3: shower or essentially urinating on somebody during sex. Do you
Speaker 3: see water play in your clients a lot more than
Speaker 3: we think.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's really interesting, Like I don't think many of
Speaker 4: my patients actually talk about them engaging in that, but
Speaker 4: definitely being out and about and actually speaking to people
Speaker 4: just on a real level, not as their practitioner about
Speaker 4: their sexual preferences. Yeah, like golden showers, peoplay, it is
Speaker 4: super common, and you actually find that a lot of
Speaker 4: males will engage in sex workers to play out those
Speaker 4: fantasies because maybe they can't get them at home, or
Speaker 4: maybe it's not something that they even feel comfortable bringing
Speaker 4: up with their loved person, or maybe they don't want
Speaker 4: to see it from their loved person as well. So yeah,
Speaker 4: we saw it with a I think there was a
Speaker 4: big rumor about the last US president going around and
Speaker 4: really liked that kind of play too. But I think
Speaker 4: that for anyone who does want to engage in it,
Speaker 4: just start slow and try it out in the shower
Speaker 4: so you can wash away any of the evidence. But
Speaker 4: you know, if you don't like it, if you don't
Speaker 4: like engaging with it, you don't have to do it.
Speaker 4: But I'm always like, what's the harm in giving it
Speaker 4: a go peplay golden showers? It actually doesn't harm anyone
Speaker 4: unless you feel really ashamed about it afterwards. And I
Speaker 4: wouldn't say that it's a problem. It's just going to
Speaker 4: feel a bit weird.
Speaker 1: Well, you're in sterile anyway, isn't it. I always think like, technically,
Speaker 1: how the hell does it work? Like you can't be
Speaker 1: doing it in your bedroom or a mattress. You'd have
Speaker 1: to lay a top hole in down or something like.
Speaker 2: How are people doing this? And then it's like where
Speaker 2: is the romance in this?
Speaker 1: If you're like, hey, honey, I'm just going to go
Speaker 1: get the top hole in to lay down so that
Speaker 1: we don't ruin our ten thousand dollars temper mattress. Like,
Speaker 1: I just there has to be some organization to this
Speaker 1: so we.
Speaker 2: Can have a slip and sliding bed.
Speaker 1: But you you actually just mentioned something Chanta, which I
Speaker 1: think is interesting and maybe there is a connection, but
Speaker 1: I kind of would love to unpack what it is
Speaker 1: about this. I feel like with some kinks there is
Speaker 1: a level or and not with all of them by
Speaker 1: any means, but with some of them there is a
Speaker 1: level of being degraded or feeling like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: like degraded might be the best word for it. Where
Speaker 1: does the sexual pleasure or arousal come from that.
Speaker 4: Some people really feel like they can get aroused by also,
Speaker 4: like the shameful aspect of that too, like feeling like
Speaker 4: they're being humiliated, the feeling that they're being embarrassed because
Speaker 4: of what they're engaging in. Some people get really turned
Speaker 4: on by that as well. So that is really about
Speaker 4: that masochism kind of point of view too, And I
Speaker 4: think that that's about like the emotional kind of trauma
Speaker 4: that comes into it. But some people just are really
Speaker 4: into it. They find it very sexy to look up
Speaker 4: at their partner urinating on them. You know, or they
Speaker 4: find it very sexy to like be yeah in that
Speaker 4: humiliation pose, if that makes sense. Some people don't find
Speaker 4: it shameful, of course, but you know, for a lot
Speaker 4: of people, it is about that level of humiliation.
Speaker 1: I think one of the last ones we wanted to
Speaker 1: touch on, and this is something that I think would
Speaker 1: be very common and maybe people don't even know that
Speaker 1: it has a relation to kink. But what is orgasm control?
Speaker 1: And can you describe that for me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's kind of like edging in a way.
Speaker 4: It's where you say to your sexual partner, I'm in
Speaker 4: control now, or maybe if you're masturbating, for example, I'm
Speaker 4: in control now and we are going to I'm going
Speaker 4: to tell you when you can come. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: going to build you up and you're not allowed to
Speaker 4: come yet. So if they keep pressing on you, if
Speaker 4: they're like using a vibrator against you, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm literally going to come, like you have to stop it,
Speaker 4: then it doesn't really work. If they play with you
Speaker 4: and bring you up to for example, if your orgasm
Speaker 4: is a ten, they bring you up to maybe an eight,
Speaker 4: and they go, I'm going to hold you there and
Speaker 4: you're like, oh my god, like I want you to finish,
Speaker 4: and they bring it back down to like a five.
Speaker 4: So they're going to play with you where they bring
Speaker 4: up your arousal, bring it back down again, bring it up,
Speaker 4: bring it down, and they are in control of that play.
Speaker 3: What if you can't get back from your five to
Speaker 3: your eight and you can do it?
Speaker 2: What if you get stuck there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you get stuck there, then it's all over
Speaker 4: Red Robot stuck in purgatory. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that's you know, I think you have to be
Speaker 4: very advanced, like very good at tuning into your partner's
Speaker 4: pleasure if you're engaging in that. I always encourage people
Speaker 4: to listen to my favorite orgasmic meditation, which is by
Speaker 4: a UK guy called Madison James. He does this in
Speaker 4: his orgasmic meditation, so you just you can't see him,
Speaker 4: You just put your headphones in and it goes for
Speaker 4: an hour and basically this edging builds up your orgasm
Speaker 4: to a point where you're going to like, like you
Speaker 4: it's just so intense. I remember when I did it,
Speaker 4: I had an orgasm and I had like electricity running
Speaker 4: from my fingers down to my toes back up to
Speaker 4: like my pulvers, and it was incredible. And for a
Speaker 4: lot of people that feel like they can't orgasm anymore,
Speaker 4: they feel really out of tune with their body, that
Speaker 4: kind of practice is super helpful. So that's orgasmic meditation
Speaker 4: mixed in with edging and orgasm control.
Speaker 3: So is that something sorry to clarify, is that something
Speaker 3: you do on your own or you could do on
Speaker 3: your owners. That's something that you play with a partner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is main Like this one is for
Speaker 4: a masturbation, so you do it by yourself. But I
Speaker 4: always like to say to people, why don't you get
Speaker 4: your partner to do what he's telling you? So get
Speaker 4: your partner to pretend like they're in the seat there
Speaker 4: if they want a little bit more of a guide
Speaker 4: into orgasm play, it's super helpful. Or your partner can watch,
Speaker 4: or you do it to yourself.
Speaker 1: I also like that this because I think that sometimes
Speaker 1: these things, we have these conversations, and they're so catered
Speaker 1: to people who are in relationships, and that can really
Speaker 1: isolate a huge demographic of people who are single but
Speaker 1: still have you know, I mean, everybody has their own
Speaker 1: sexual needs and wants, and I think sometimes when we
Speaker 1: specifically like talking about relationships, it can feel a little
Speaker 1: bit isolating. So when you say that some of these kinks,
Speaker 1: in particular orgasm control is something that people can do
Speaker 1: on their own, regardless of whether they have a partner
Speaker 1: or not, I think that's a really important part of
Speaker 1: this conversation as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, I think that it's important for people to remember, like,
Speaker 4: being single can be so much fun too.
Speaker 1: We're both like, yeah, Noddy, well it's a real time
Speaker 1: of like exploration as well, right, because it's like there's
Speaker 1: almost no judgment, and I think sometimes when you're in
Speaker 1: a relationship you can become a bit like, well, we
Speaker 1: know exactly what to do.
Speaker 2: It's very formulaic, and we just do that.
Speaker 4: That's it the sex menu.
Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, it's like X y Z it's going to
Speaker 1: take seven minutes and then we're going to both go
Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah, because we're tired and we have two kids.
Speaker 2: It's going to take three point three minutes.
Speaker 4: And you've got too because I don't have any and
Speaker 4: I'm it's all good. It's pretty normal. It'll come back.
Speaker 2: I guess what do you want to say to anybody.
Speaker 3: What message can you tell someone that's listening now They
Speaker 3: either they're thinking about it, or this has excited them
Speaker 3: to try something and this has made them feel like
Speaker 3: they're you know what they're thinking. Isn't that far fetched
Speaker 3: and maybe is accessible for them? What do you want
Speaker 3: to throw out to anyone listening now that really wants
Speaker 3: to go get kinky?
Speaker 4: Oh, I think like do your research. Absolutely, have on like,
Speaker 4: have a look online for toys if you want to
Speaker 4: bring them into your practice as well. I'll do some shopping.
Speaker 4: Ask your friends, like, be honest. My friends are so
Speaker 4: honest with me, and I know that I'm privileged in
Speaker 4: a very sex positive circle, but I've kind of like
Speaker 4: forced them into this place where they talk about that
Speaker 4: and we just cheer each other on. And I think
Speaker 4: you need to find at least one sex positive friend
Speaker 4: that you can talk about these things with and not
Speaker 4: feel ashamed.
Speaker 2: You need a sex we girl, like, we'll Laura, go
Speaker 2: for ten minutes, go for eleven time. I'm going to
Speaker 2: edge myself to fifteen minutes. Guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like, you know what, we are adults,
Speaker 4: and we are moving towards a more sex positive future
Speaker 4: and that means engaging with people that are going to
Speaker 4: cheat you on as well. No one wants to feel
Speaker 4: ashamed or like they have to hide who they are
Speaker 4: as an erotic being.
Speaker 3: And any resources off the top of your head that
Speaker 3: people could go to like websites.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Curious Creatures is a great one. They have
Speaker 4: some great articles on the blog on love Honey and
Speaker 4: some great episodes from like doms on their from sex
Speaker 4: workers etc. Of course, like I have a lot on
Speaker 4: my Instagram and there's so many sexologists in Australia who
Speaker 4: have great resources too. I'm trying to think as well.
Speaker 4: I think like start with reading things like fifty Shades
Speaker 4: of Gray, start with watching shows where that is also depicted.
Speaker 4: There are so many kinky shows like Eyes Wide Shut.
Speaker 4: I've never watched that and I'm dying to watch it
Speaker 4: now because I know one of my team members was
Speaker 4: watching it this week and she was like, it was
Speaker 4: so before it's time, and it was so controversial because
Speaker 4: no one was talking about kink back then. So there
Speaker 4: are lots of shows where it is depicted too, and
Speaker 4: if you can just ease into it and become acclimatized
Speaker 4: to watching it, it'll become more normal for you and
Speaker 4: you will feel a lot more empowered discussing it.
Speaker 3: And where can people find Ji Chantel and your book.
Speaker 3: Tell us about your book.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the sex ad you never had. So basically
Speaker 4: we're covering kink and they're recovering videos and it's talking
Speaker 4: about all the things that we didn't learn in sex ed.
Speaker 4: And you know, I didn't have sex at a lot
Speaker 4: of my patients come in and they didn't have it.
Speaker 4: I think that this age range, we were definitely taught
Speaker 4: a lot about like safe sex, whereas you know, we
Speaker 4: weren't taught a lot about pleasure, and I think we
Speaker 4: need to talk about that a lot more so. I
Speaker 4: wrote this book for everyone and you can find me
Speaker 4: at Chantel Underscore Otten Underscore Sex Solo Chests on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Legend.
Speaker 3: It was so good to have you back on Life
Speaker 3: on cart and we hope.
Speaker 2: To have you back again.
Speaker 4: Sue, thanks for having me so.
Speaker 3: On this episode today. We wanted to speak to somebody
Speaker 3: that has.
Speaker 2: A kink of their own.
Speaker 3: We didn't really care what kink it was. It's just
Speaker 3: that Laura and I personally, well we don't have one,
Speaker 3: but we thought it was really important to speak to
Speaker 3: a listener, a Life on Cut listener.
Speaker 2: So we have one of.
Speaker 3: Our beautiful life is NICKI joining us today and Nikki
Speaker 3: we put the call out. We're like, hey, if anyone's
Speaker 3: got some kinks, slide on into our dms. And Nikki,
Speaker 3: you did come sliding. So welcome to Life on Cut.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, guys, pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1: Now, Nikki, can you explain? I mean, first thing I
Speaker 1: put okay, I'm I don't even know where to start
Speaker 1: because I have so many questions.
Speaker 2: Can I firstly tell me, let's start at the top.
Speaker 2: What is your kink?
Speaker 5: So my kink is I used to call it a
Speaker 5: pee fetish, but it's actually it can be called a
Speaker 5: pee kink.
Speaker 1: So like we're talking water sports. And when you say
Speaker 1: you have a pe kink or a pea fetish in
Speaker 1: what capacity? Like what does that look like for you?
Speaker 5: So it's basically below the head. So I love anything
Speaker 5: to do with it. I love watching guys, I love
Speaker 5: the sound of it. I love well this is the
Speaker 5: one that shops people. I love being peeved inside of that.
Speaker 5: So the main thing is for me as well, is
Speaker 5: the desperation when it comes to pay, Like, that's what
Speaker 5: really gets me.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? What do you mean
Speaker 2: by the desperation as in from the other person?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, So it's about the guy when he needs
Speaker 5: to pay. It's like that moments like I just want
Speaker 5: him to be desperate and that's what really gets me.
Speaker 3: So do you in terms of the desperation do you
Speaker 3: like is it a control thing like you want to say,
Speaker 3: like orgasm control? Is it you saying to him you
Speaker 3: can't go yet, like making him until he's like, my
Speaker 3: bladder is about to burst. So is that you saying
Speaker 3: when he can and can't urinate?
Speaker 5: It's similar. Yeah. So back in twenty seventeen, which is
Speaker 5: when I discovered this, I was with a partner and
Speaker 5: that's when he needed to pay when we're having sex,
Speaker 5: and I sort of played around with that and I
Speaker 5: really liked that he needed to and I was telling him, no,
Speaker 5: you're not allowed to, and I so would pressed against
Speaker 5: his ladder and that was really turning me on. And
Speaker 5: I think he also discovered that it was turning him
Speaker 5: on as well, so he'd play around with me.
Speaker 2: For those plane at home.
Speaker 3: Let's just go back to the start. It's also called europhilia.
Speaker 3: That is the official terminology, Is that correctnickire?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: And then colloquialisms are like water sports or I guess
Speaker 3: peplay Like you said so twenty seventeen, before twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: when you discovered this, I guess accidentally, were there anything
Speaker 3: else you were interested in?
Speaker 2: Was there any other kink?
Speaker 3: Or is this really you just went zero to one
Speaker 3: hundred pretty quickly and it was all coincidentally.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've always been a bit kinky with exhibitionism
Speaker 5: and wanting to have sex outside and in really you're
Speaker 5: crazy places. In terms of that, yes, but with in
Speaker 5: terms of the peplay, that is something that I'd only
Speaker 5: discovered later on in life.
Speaker 1: I kind of like this conversation in that I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, they have a fantasy and
Speaker 1: then it's wanting to then enact out that fantasy. But
Speaker 1: almost like discovering a kink and not knowing that it
Speaker 1: was necessarily there before, just because of something that's happened
Speaker 1: during a sexual experience. I hadn't really fully thought or
Speaker 1: realized that this is something or how a kink could
Speaker 1: be created. You know, when we sit here and say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't have a kink right now. I like the
Speaker 1: idea that, oh but maybe I could and I just
Speaker 1: haven't discovered it yet.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just over the horizon.
Speaker 1: So talk to me, Nikki. How do you bring it
Speaker 1: up with new sexual partners?
Speaker 5: So that was a while ago, so I've had a
Speaker 5: few since then. I've had a couple of relationships. But
Speaker 5: it's been interesting between you know, being single and being
Speaker 5: a relationship because I have no shame around it, So
Speaker 5: I bring it up with guys as soon as I
Speaker 5: feel you know, culped with them, or I feel like
Speaker 5: they're you know, the kind of person that will have
Speaker 5: the maturity level to handle it. I have no qualms
Speaker 5: in bringing it up. And there's so many guys that.
Speaker 5: I mean, people's reactions who have not experienced it before
Speaker 5: are just first of all, if they're shocked, but then
Speaker 5: it's really interesting to them. And of course, you know,
Speaker 5: when it comes to it, when you're being the partner,
Speaker 5: they want you to be turned on, so they're turned
Speaker 5: on by that as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm like Laura, now, I's like my brain was
Speaker 3: just going, I have fifty thousand questions where do I start? Okay,
Speaker 3: So does this kink for you playing to just you
Speaker 3: controlling when they can urinate, or do you also get
Speaker 3: off on you urinating on them as well? So does
Speaker 3: it go both ways? And is it just any sort
Speaker 3: of water play at all or is it just very specific?
Speaker 5: So of course it has to be blow the head.
Speaker 5: But I haven't had many guys that have wanted me
Speaker 5: to pee on them. I'm definitely interested in that. That
Speaker 5: does turn me on the idea of it, but mostly
Speaker 5: in my experience has been with guys and they've either
Speaker 5: peed on me or I've helped them while they've peed
Speaker 5: and I've held their penises. That my favorite is being
Speaker 5: p inside of that they are a whole. Like the
Speaker 5: feeling of it is just like anything to do with
Speaker 5: because obviously I love common and it's just like both
Speaker 5: of them the same, it's just more of it.
Speaker 1: Is this something as well? Do you think that there's
Speaker 1: a powerplay element into this, like a sense of having
Speaker 1: power over the other person when you talk about desperation.
Speaker 2: Are these things linked for you at all?
Speaker 5: I definitely like being in control, so that definitely it
Speaker 5: makes me feel powerful as a woman and that is
Speaker 5: sexy to me, so definitely. But I think the desperation
Speaker 5: is more so just it is just desperation. It's like
Speaker 5: it's that's that kink for me. It just turns me
Speaker 5: on at that person so desperate to pay, and then
Speaker 5: there is that level of control as well, and then
Speaker 5: when it finally is released, it's like, oh wow.
Speaker 3: Let's talk logistics for a hot second. When you finally
Speaker 3: say yes, you can pee inside me right now? Is
Speaker 3: that because you're at climax? And do you come in
Speaker 3: that moment? And then for him, I'm going to imagine
Speaker 3: you cannot pay and come simultaneously, So I guess that's
Speaker 3: for I guess he's doing that purely for you to
Speaker 3: climax and then you can continue to deal with him after.
Speaker 5: Is that right exactly? So that's what it's insane. There's
Speaker 5: only been a couple of guys in my life who've
Speaker 5: actually been able to do this, and it is a
Speaker 5: very hard thing to do. It takes a lot of practice,
Speaker 5: and it's funny like a lot of guys try really
Speaker 5: really hard and like they're just lying there and we're
Speaker 5: just sort of everything still, like they're trying really hard
Speaker 5: to just like concentrate to pay.
Speaker 2: Like I am losing my momentum here.
Speaker 1: Buddy, But also there would be some desperation in that
Speaker 1: as well, in the like trying to do it, maybe
Speaker 1: not being able to quite get the stage.
Speaker 2: Fright.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sexy as hell, like because you just know
Speaker 5: they're really trying. You just like you want to kind
Speaker 5: of encourage and be like, you know, it's good, Like
Speaker 5: it's good. I'm loving this, and I am because it's
Speaker 5: really intimate and they're really trying. Even when I'm not
Speaker 5: a relationship with someone, it's just a really cool thing
Speaker 5: to do to share with them.
Speaker 3: Okay, Logistics number two, and this is something that we
Speaker 3: had a joke about. Obviously we're not joking about the Kings,
Speaker 3: but we did have this joke with Chantell. Do you
Speaker 3: actually have to I mean, I guess it's forethought because
Speaker 3: you're not gonna want urine to go all over your bed.
Speaker 3: So do you plan that this is going to be
Speaker 3: an event so you can put something on the bed.
Speaker 3: Is it something that you'd say, hey, let's just like
Speaker 3: have sex in a shower or a bath or do
Speaker 3: you sort of say just throw the machus out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you just be like rip their clothes off and
Speaker 3: be like whatever?
Speaker 2: Happens, happens. I've got a really good matchress protector. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Because we were sort of thinking that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: you're going to put like a tarp hoolan down or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the thing we talked about when I
Speaker 5: was in a partnership with a guy, is that we
Speaker 5: talked about the logistics and we thought about, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe we should get something just protect the red top
Speaker 5: hole in. But when you're in the moment, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's great to be in a hotel. There has I've
Speaker 5: been my last partner. We went into a hotel and
Speaker 5: we just use a holy hotels and and I'm kind
Speaker 5: of like it wasn't amazing afterwards, but you're just so
Speaker 5: in the moment and like you do have to sleep
Speaker 5: in a bit of pea in the bed.
Speaker 1: But I just feel like, oh, price, the pay, this
Speaker 1: is somebody else's problem exactly.
Speaker 5: But there is one guy who I was seeing for
Speaker 5: a little bit. He was amazing. He was so open
Speaker 5: and we were just in his house obviously alone, and
Speaker 5: we're in his kitchen and I just asked him to
Speaker 5: pay and me in his kitchen and he did. He
Speaker 5: just like got his finers out started peeing on me
Speaker 5: on my vagina, and it was great. I still think
Speaker 5: about that moment. It was so good. And also when
Speaker 5: you're sitting on a toilet as well, when I'm sitting
Speaker 5: in a toilet, BA can also pee on me that.
Speaker 2: I'm so fascinated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like this idea that this is like
Speaker 1: something that's escalated, like it's become part of your sexual
Speaker 1: experience off the back of like I said earlier, like
Speaker 1: off the back of almost like a coincidental or a
Speaker 1: happen chance. You're very very open about speaking about your kings,
Speaker 1: about talking about your sexual experiences. Have you had these
Speaker 1: conversations with like your friends and your family, like what
Speaker 1: has been the common reaction to talking about kings not
Speaker 1: just with sexual partners, but with other people who you're
Speaker 1: close with.
Speaker 5: So I have been very open, and it's funny. There
Speaker 5: are a lot of people in my life who are
Speaker 5: very closely who I would talk you know, they know
Speaker 5: all about it. And when I told them I was
Speaker 5: going on this podcast, like, oh my god, it's amazing
Speaker 5: because I know all about it, and other people are like,
Speaker 5: hang on second, what you have a pee fetish? What's
Speaker 5: what's this?
Speaker 3: And you're going to tell all of Australia about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly like I am, because there is absolutely zero shame.
Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of things I have a shamed
Speaker 5: about inside of myself, but to do with this, absolutely none.
Speaker 5: It's just so funny. It gives me so much pleasure
Speaker 5: and what there's nothing wrong with it. But with my
Speaker 5: family from the get go, I've up with a very
Speaker 5: open family. Like my parents will always talk about sex
Speaker 5: and I'll be cooking on the kitchen bench and Mom
Speaker 5: would say, oh, you know, with my father and I
Speaker 5: had sex and that on that kitchen benchhit last night
Speaker 5: and things like that.
Speaker 2: You're like, Mum, at least let me put a chopping
Speaker 2: board down.
Speaker 5: Then exactly, you know, I knew how it was made
Speaker 5: in the bus and all that sort of thing. So
Speaker 5: I mean, that's why I'm fine with that. But it's
Speaker 5: my brothers who are like ten years younger than me,
Speaker 5: and I think that people have to have a certain
Speaker 5: level of maturity when you're telling them.
Speaker 3: I love that you said too, that you have no
Speaker 3: shame about it, and nor should you. But the reason
Speaker 3: we want to have these conversations is because we don't
Speaker 3: want anyone out there listening to be shameful of anything
Speaker 3: that they enjoy or any kinks that they have, or
Speaker 3: anything that they want to experience.
Speaker 2: Or that they want to try.
Speaker 3: We literally want people like you to say, there's nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with it.
Speaker 2: I do this all the time.
Speaker 3: Think of how many people are going to be listening
Speaker 3: to this right now saying, oh my gosh, I thought
Speaker 3: I was the only one. And that is because people
Speaker 3: don't talk about it, which is why we wanted to
Speaker 3: give you a platform now to be so open about it.
Speaker 1: And also on top of it, it's like, if it's
Speaker 1: not hurting anyone, who fucking cares?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I think like we are the only ones who feel
Speaker 1: shame and that there's it's stigmatized. It's obviously there's so
Speaker 1: much around kinks that stigmatized because of the way society
Speaker 1: has viewed them over time, But like, if you're not
Speaker 1: hurting anyone, I just don't see what the big problem
Speaker 1: is and what the big deal about talking about this
Speaker 1: stuff is. And for us, from speaking to Chantel, it
Speaker 1: was very eye opening and interesting how much people's perceptions
Speaker 1: are changing, but also just how much more open people
Speaker 1: are being in general, which Nikki, like, we're very, very
Speaker 1: grateful for you to come and speak about this.
Speaker 2: What are some of the.
Speaker 3: Reactions for people that you've dated or slept with in
Speaker 3: the past. So, I know we touched on it earlier,
Speaker 3: but have there ever been any like quite adverse reactions
Speaker 3: where someone has just been like, no way, I am
Speaker 3: not doing that, or have most people been really open
Speaker 3: to the idea straight away? Because I think a lot
Speaker 3: of our community, I think a lot of the stress
Speaker 3: that they would feel when they want to explore their
Speaker 3: kinks is the way they're going to be received when
Speaker 3: they ask a new partner or even a long term partner.
Speaker 3: It's really that visceral reaction of are they going to
Speaker 3: think I'm crazy? Are they going to want to break
Speaker 3: up with me? Are they going to want to explore it?
Speaker 3: So I guess what are the general reactions.
Speaker 5: Like the majority of people have been great, And I
Speaker 5: think though it's because of the guys that I choose
Speaker 5: to be with as well. I choose to be with
Speaker 5: people who are open minded, so I think that definitely
Speaker 5: has something to do with it. And also I think
Speaker 5: we should about the app as well that I've been
Speaker 5: on when I've been single called Field, and that has
Speaker 5: opened me up to so many like minded people and
Speaker 5: so the conversation has been really easy, but there have
Speaker 5: been one or two that have course gone that's not
Speaker 5: something I'm comfortable with, and it's like picking cool like
Speaker 5: because I've done that before too. Like people have said
Speaker 5: to me, you know, kinks that they're wanting to explore,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's up to you as to whether
Speaker 5: you want to do it or not.
Speaker 2: What is Field?
Speaker 1: Can you talk to me about this app? And how
Speaker 1: if you do have a kink or it's something that
Speaker 1: you're wanting to explore, how you can find people who
Speaker 1: might have something similar or maybe looking for a similar
Speaker 1: type of kink to you.
Speaker 5: So Field is like a dating app, but it's full
Speaker 5: of people who are who are like me, who have kinks,
Speaker 5: and it is such an open minded community of people
Speaker 5: that it was like I felt like I was being
Speaker 5: seen for the first time with people that because a
Speaker 5: lot of the people that I tell have absolutely no
Speaker 5: idea about kinks and they're you know, especially when I
Speaker 5: talked to them about being peed inside of that just
Speaker 5: blows their mind. Because people who have been you know,
Speaker 5: heard of water spots and pea fetishes and things like that.
Speaker 5: But this app brought so many people into my life.
Speaker 5: You know, people they are wanting to have freesomes, who
Speaker 5: like couples that are wanting to bring someone else into
Speaker 5: their relationship, or gang bangs or pe fetishes, things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it blew my mind and it was so enjoyable.
Speaker 1: Does it work like a normal dating app? Like if
Speaker 1: you think about the way Hinge or Tinder or like
Speaker 1: what sets it apart? Or are people very specific on
Speaker 1: their profiles in regards to what kinks they have?
Speaker 5: So their profile, Well, everyone's on there. I don't think
Speaker 5: anyone's on there for a relationship. People are on there
Speaker 5: to explore their sexuality. And people will say on the
Speaker 5: app on their profile these the kinks tun into and
Speaker 5: they have the first questions when you're saying it up,
Speaker 5: are you know what are you into? And you know
Speaker 5: what's your sexuality and all that sort of thing, and
Speaker 5: it's just very open. And because I'm such an open person,
Speaker 5: it was just like, Wow, there are people like me
Speaker 5: out there because you know, there's no secrets, like this
Speaker 5: is what I want? Do you want that? And then
Speaker 5: you know you meet up.
Speaker 3: It's like our younger generation listening won't remember this. But
Speaker 3: it's like when you're on MSN, remember asl hex location,
Speaker 3: but you're like aslk HX location.
Speaker 2: Kinks. I knew that none of the young kids are
Speaker 2: going to have to be above. Have you wound back
Speaker 2: your cassette tapes with pencil?
Speaker 3: Then you may know what that is if we can
Speaker 3: ask you well, because I just feel like we may
Speaker 3: have just hit the jackpot with you, because we just
Speaker 3: thought we were going to be able to talk about
Speaker 3: one kin. But you mentioned exhibitionism before, and you mentioned
Speaker 3: that you have done a lot of other things that
Speaker 3: have come being on this app.
Speaker 2: What are some of the other kinks?
Speaker 3: Have you tried other things with other people or are
Speaker 3: you mainly just saying like, hey, I'm just on there
Speaker 3: from my thing. I don't want to try anything else.
Speaker 5: I have definitely, I definitely want a lot of things,
Speaker 5: and I feel like it's like this box, you know,
Speaker 5: these boxes that I want to tick, and a lot
Speaker 5: of them is you know, I have for thing about
Speaker 5: joining another couple or actually one of the chandel Art
Speaker 5: and her sex stories is someone watching another couple has
Speaker 5: sex and I want someone to watch me while I'm
Speaker 5: having sex like that turns me on a lot, or
Speaker 5: potentially than coming in and being and joining someone else
Speaker 5: as well. But in terms of exhibitionism, I just the
Speaker 5: idea of getting caught, not the reality of it, just
Speaker 5: the idea that turns me on.
Speaker 2: So have you okay? Where is not?
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't actually want to be caught by
Speaker 1: a police officer in a bush, but like the like
Speaker 1: the suspense, and I.
Speaker 2: Guess like, don't actually find me.
Speaker 1: Like that because obviously there's that heightened arousal that comes
Speaker 1: from the the suspense or the naughtiness of it, the
Speaker 1: forbidden fruit. Basically, I mean that's the whole big premise
Speaker 1: of where Kings came from. It's because it's what's seemed
Speaker 1: us taboo. It's what seemed is what was not supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing. And there's something very like sexually alluring
Speaker 1: from that as well.
Speaker 4: Definitely.
Speaker 3: And have you ever actually been caught or have you
Speaker 3: ever been pretty close?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Actually I have been caught. So it was a bust
Speaker 5: of mine. Actually who caught me? Caught my boyfriend going
Speaker 5: down in me on a boat.
Speaker 2: This is not what it looks like.
Speaker 5: He was a buff like it was he was looking
Speaker 5: down the window up above, and obviously we didn't quite
Speaker 5: think about that aspect. So he's actually very he's very
Speaker 5: cool and we're still friends now. So yeah, it was fine,
Speaker 5: fucking great.
Speaker 3: He's like, you need a BAC. I'm giving you the
Speaker 3: day off, Nikki.
Speaker 2: I have a question.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you in regards to if
Speaker 1: there's someone listening who has a kink themselves and they
Speaker 1: do feel shame well, they don't know how to bring
Speaker 1: it up with someone, what advice would you have for them.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's funny because I feel at a zero shame
Speaker 5: run and I don't think I ever have had shame
Speaker 5: around it. But I think just by if you feel
Speaker 5: like you're in a safe space safe for example, it's
Speaker 5: with your boyfriend or whoever it is, it's just just
Speaker 5: being really open and honest with them and trying not
Speaker 5: to make it about that there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 5: Like if they say no, then that's what they're comfortable with.
Speaker 5: It's not anything to do with your kink, And there's
Speaker 5: nothing because I have a big thing about there's nothing
Speaker 5: wrong with you. It's just what you like. It's just
Speaker 5: what turns you on and You're not the only one.
Speaker 2: Nikki.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the pod, for
Speaker 1: being just so vulnerable. I know you say that there's
Speaker 1: no shame and you have no issues with talking about it,
Speaker 1: but I think for the most part, you're a realiatively
Speaker 1: rare breed. I think a lot of people have kinks,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't feel comfortable sharing those
Speaker 1: kinks on a public platform. And I love that you
Speaker 1: had zero reservations in doing that. We love that you're
Speaker 1: part of the community, and we really love that you've
Speaker 1: been able to share this with everybody else as well.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Laura and Britt. Yeah, it was
Speaker 5: such a pleasure to be on here. I was very
Speaker 5: excited to share and absolutely had no reservations about it
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we never end an episode without our
Speaker 3: suck and our sweet, our highlight and our lowlight of
Speaker 3: the week, and man, I have a low light for
Speaker 3: this week. But Laura, you can go first. What is
Speaker 3: your suck?
Speaker 2: So Mi, Oh, it's suck first always? Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: my so surprises you after two hundred and eleven episodes
Speaker 2: because I like.
Speaker 1: To think positively and I just get I'm always there
Speaker 1: for what's been good in the week, not there for
Speaker 1: what's been bad in the week.
Speaker 3: But it's like when you eat a meal out at
Speaker 3: a restaurant, there's multiple things on your plate.
Speaker 2: You save the best for last. You always save that
Speaker 2: one mouthful.
Speaker 3: It is like the most epic, tasty, delicious mouthful.
Speaker 2: Do you know why I don't do that?
Speaker 1: I eat the best bit and save the worst for last,
Speaker 1: because you get full. No, Because growing up, my dad
Speaker 1: would always leave what was left on that So if
Speaker 1: I had purposely sept something like if I put something
Speaker 1: to the side on my plate, you'd eat it. My
Speaker 1: dad would be like, oh, you're not eating that, lean
Speaker 1: overneat it. The amount of times I cried in a
Speaker 1: restaurant as a child because my dad ate the thing
Speaker 1: I was saving traumatized. Okay, so my suck for the
Speaker 1: week is that we went out. Okay, guys, Finally, this
Speaker 1: week Britta and I had a awesome time. We went
Speaker 1: out on a boat on Saturday. We really had such
Speaker 1: a great time together. When you confirs and it's really
Speaker 1: far and few between when we actually get to go
Speaker 1: outside and do something without the kids, without work, just
Speaker 1: enjoying ourselves, I don't actually think we've.
Speaker 3: Ever both been out where we've been drinking and just
Speaker 3: having fun like we've both we've done lunches quickly here
Speaker 3: and there, or like a brunch or something, but nothing
Speaker 3: that was just like actual relaxation.
Speaker 2: Having a good time.
Speaker 1: And when you say that, she means relaxation that's also
Speaker 1: unwork related. We've been out through a work lunch before,
Speaker 1: shared it all on social media, but we've never really
Speaker 1: just been able to hang out and have a few
Speaker 1: drinks together as friends.
Speaker 3: We're not actually friends.
Speaker 1: Fucking crazy, doesn't it like in two and a half
Speaker 1: years of doing this pod, we've never gone out and
Speaker 1: just had drinks together.
Speaker 2: Brittany, And do you keep pro creating?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because I have kids, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: just a we are of in very different phases of life.
Speaker 1: But we also we had an awesome, awesome time. That's
Speaker 1: we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Sucks though.
Speaker 1: So I wore this white dress on the boat, which
Speaker 1: I have had for a couple of years. It's not
Speaker 1: a new dress, but it was the first time I've
Speaker 1: worn it, and I managed to get through a whole
Speaker 1: day of drinking of partying and I didn't get it
Speaker 1: dirty and so I was like, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: pretty clean, but I'll give it a quick wash, a
Speaker 1: hand wash, and I'll hang it out so I can
Speaker 1: take it on this holiday with me.
Speaker 2: And I hung it out on the line, and the.
Speaker 1: Fucking birds have shat mulberry shit all over my white dress.
Speaker 2: Sang, what how do you know it's moulbrew shit? How
Speaker 2: do you know? It's just not a mulbery?
Speaker 1: So the neighbors have a mulberry tree, like like, it's
Speaker 1: not the neighbor that like a couple of streets down
Speaker 1: there's a mulberry tree and it's you know, you know
Speaker 1: what it's like when it's like splattered from the sky
Speaker 1: all over my dress, all over the patio, there's obviously
Speaker 1: mulbrew shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so that's my suck.
Speaker 1: But that's going to sing right that doesn't come out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's done, it's done it Yeah, forever throw it on
Speaker 1: the bin. Okay, the end turns turn into some rags.
Speaker 3: You could you cut it off and make a mini dress.
Speaker 2: It's on the top part o. Can't make a skirt.
Speaker 1: It is as well as a way, Laura, all right, and
Speaker 1: my sweet for the week is obviously that we got
Speaker 1: to go out on this boat and have a great time.
Speaker 1: But my sweet is that for once, Britney Hockley was
Speaker 1: the drunk one at the party. Not only was she
Speaker 1: the drunk one we got off the boat, we were
Speaker 1: in front of a whole lot of people and the
Speaker 1: song let's get down, Let's get down to be business
Speaker 1: and instead of like dancing and smacking my ass, Britt
Speaker 1: decided to dance and smack my vagina really really publicly
Speaker 1: in front of everyone, whilst I was like, I'm going home,
Speaker 1: and Britt was like, come.
Speaker 3: Pty, you are making this sound way worse than it was.
Speaker 2: It was so fun seeing you lit city girl. Oh
Speaker 2: so fun.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's just seguey straight into my suck.
Speaker 2: My suck was that I was lit City.
Speaker 1: I went all the way, all the way, all the way.
Speaker 1: Where can we tell them where you ended up?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 3: I went all the way to Holly in Jimmy's house
Speaker 3: from The Bachelor.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that happened. I created a.
Speaker 1: Party there because there wasn't a party. She made Holly
Speaker 1: make her a cheese platter.
Speaker 3: And it just you know, when you've been drinking. And
Speaker 3: I actually for those playing at home. I am not
Speaker 3: a big drinker. I don't drink a lot, and I
Speaker 3: think this is why this happened so rapidly. I was
Speaker 3: having a great time, but I was obviously in the
Speaker 3: sun all day, the drinks were flowing.
Speaker 2: It hit me like a.
Speaker 3: Ton of bricks. I well, obviously it hit me earlier
Speaker 3: when I was slapping you.
Speaker 2: But I got to only were riding me like a rodeo.
Speaker 2: Love me. It just means I feel safe with you.
Speaker 3: I got to Holley in Jimmy's and it just hit
Speaker 3: me like a ton of bricks and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 3: I need some food. And I didn't say it so
Speaker 3: probably politely, but I made Holly make me a cheese platter.
Speaker 3: She made me a whole platter, and I just sat
Speaker 3: there and annihilated the platter, kept drinking. They were getting
Speaker 3: ready to go out. I was going out too. I
Speaker 3: had message produce a key show and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, you're I'm going out to Bonta.
Speaker 3: I meet me there and she's like, okay, I'm poor Keisha, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm just having a shower.
Speaker 2: Get the whole thing up. And then it just hit me.
Speaker 3: I was sitting at the table where I was like, whoa,
Speaker 3: I need to go. They were like, no, it's okay,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, you don't understand. I need to go.
Speaker 3: And you know when you get that wave of nausea,
Speaker 3: I thought I have minutes. I called myself an uber.
Speaker 2: I walked downstairs.
Speaker 3: The uber pulled up and I couldn't even get into it.
Speaker 3: I just started to vomit in Jimmy and Holly's garden.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely ending up on Daily Mail. Also, I
Speaker 1: cannot believe that you stood up produce a Keisha. This
Speaker 1: is all wild.
Speaker 2: Well I didn't stand her up.
Speaker 3: I then message her again, which I feel like I'd
Speaker 3: have to go back to the message and look at
Speaker 3: the timeline, and I was like, bro, this is I'm cooked.
Speaker 2: I'm at home passing.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: This is not ending well. I can't meet you out
Speaker 3: and I couldn't go. I physically it just hit me
Speaker 3: so quickly. Now I would like to go back and
Speaker 3: just clarify because Holleen Jimmy might hear this.
Speaker 2: Well, they will. The moment was cute. It was a
Speaker 2: little and cute. It was like it was like a
Speaker 2: little la blap.
Speaker 3: It wasn't hectic, it was one and then I just
Speaker 3: felt so much better. It was almost just like an
Speaker 3: had too much alcohol in there, and I had.
Speaker 2: Mixed drinks a little bit. My body was like, just
Speaker 2: get that out and get on with it.
Speaker 3: So it was like one cutest, like the cutest little
Speaker 3: voment you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It's horrible. Yeah, it was adorable. Name Yeah, Frankie. Okay,
Speaker 2: I just want to say one thing.
Speaker 1: Obviously everyone is going to be not everyone, but majority
Speaker 1: of us are going out and enjoying having good time.
Speaker 2: It's Christmas. Drink responsibily, guys. This is your warning.
Speaker 1: This is not us condoning this behavior. We know that
Speaker 1: this is bad.
Speaker 2: We don't do it very often, but every so often
Speaker 2: sometimes you get a little litty, a little litacy.
Speaker 3: I have not Just to also clarify, clarify, clarify, I
Speaker 3: have not vomited in like six or seven years.
Speaker 2: This isn't a thing I do. I don't binge drink.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I was just dehydrated and hot,
Speaker 3: but I do want to really stress drinking responsibly.
Speaker 2: But that was my story. I cannot deny that it happened.
Speaker 3: I am mortified, so mortified that I felt I needed
Speaker 3: to tell Australia on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see the article tomorrow. I reckon
Speaker 1: that this is probably going to come out like a
Speaker 1: day before Christmas. Imagine that few Christmas present pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Voments in Holly and Jimmy's front.
Speaker 3: Ur definitely is behind a bush, definitely definitely had food
Speaker 3: poisoning from the boat.
Speaker 1: So you gotta love it whenever anyone has a bit
Speaker 1: too much to drink. And then the next day they
Speaker 1: hungover and they say, oh, I think it was the
Speaker 1: hot dog.
Speaker 2: No it wasn't. We all know it wasn't. I had
Speaker 2: a lot of raw I had a raw fish it
Speaker 2: was and a bit warm.
Speaker 3: Weren't they warm raw fish? If that was what it was?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: And I didn't have any of the oysters.
Speaker 3: It was probably the os.
Speaker 1: Okay, your sweet for the week, my sweet?
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Because we're wrapping up the year, I have to say
Speaker 3: that my sweet is the overall year long ranker for
Speaker 3: the podcast came out, guys, and we are sitting at
Speaker 3: the number one female podcast overall.
Speaker 2: So Laura and I I just we're just what shots
Speaker 2: are fired. We're just so.
Speaker 3: Stoked and we literally couldn't do it without you. And
Speaker 3: I know we've said this before, but it will never
Speaker 3: get old. We cannot say it enough, we cannot stress
Speaker 3: it enough. We are only here every week because of you, guys,
Speaker 3: and we love that you turn up and you listen
Speaker 3: to our shit and you take our advice. Sorry, we
Speaker 3: have to start putting some disclaimers in. You can't take
Speaker 3: all of our advice, but we do try, really really hard.
Speaker 2: We really do.
Speaker 1: And also not just the fact that you guys show
Speaker 1: up here for us to listen to the podcast, but
Speaker 1: that you show up for each other.
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing that I think.
Speaker 1: Is so incredible about this community, the Facebook group.
Speaker 2: It's a big group of a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I know that sometimes shit goes down and we do
Speaker 1: our best to moderate, but overall and overwhelmingly, this is
Speaker 1: an incredibly supportive community. And we are so grateful for
Speaker 1: you guys. We are so grateful for how you help
Speaker 1: each other out, whether it's from something benign like what
Speaker 1: are the best leggings to, you know, asking for some
Speaker 1: really serious life advice. It's a community that loves and
Speaker 1: supports each other, and that every day is the reason
Speaker 1: why we show up and do this.
Speaker 3: If you guys aren't a part of that community yet,
Speaker 3: obviously you are or if you're a listener, But the
Speaker 3: community that Laura is specifically talking about is the Facebook
Speaker 3: discussion group. That is just where all the love happens,
Speaker 3: all the advice happens, all the support happens. So if
Speaker 3: you're not a part of that yet, go and jump
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Speaker 3: But we just want to wish you guys the most
Speaker 3: amazing Christmas. We will be back with some bonus episodes.
Speaker 3: We'll be back next Tuesday with a year in review,
Speaker 3: which is going to be an awesome little ep as well.
Speaker 3: So we're not going anywhere, but we just want to
Speaker 3: say we hope that you are spending it with the
Speaker 3: people that you love.
Speaker 2: We hope that you are.
Speaker 1: Rounding out twenty twenty one in a really wonderful, love
Speaker 1: filled way to make up for whether you're in lockdown
Speaker 1: or anything else this year.
Speaker 2: We just hope that you bring it on home.
Speaker 3: One of the special bonus episodes that we are going
Speaker 3: to be dropping to you over the break is a
Speaker 3: really really special episode. It is with one of our listeners,
Speaker 3: an og listener, she has been there from the very beginning.
Speaker 3: Her name is Bella. If you're part of the discussion group,
Speaker 3: you will one hundred percent know who she is because
Speaker 3: she's very active, she's very open, and she's a very
Speaker 3: important member of our community. She also has a really,
Speaker 3: really incredible story that she wants to tell and she
Speaker 3: wants to share with the world. So if you know her,
Speaker 3: that is coming soon. If you don't, this is why
Speaker 3: you have to get on the Facebook discussion group.
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