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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. My name is Chloe Dalton.

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Speaker 1: I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby sevens and because

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Speaker 1: I have commitment issues, I've played two other sports at

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Speaker 1: professional level. The last two seasons, I've played for Carlton

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Speaker 1: Sydney Uni Flames in the Women's National Basketball League. I'm

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Speaker 1: currently training full time with the Australian rugby sevens team

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Speaker 1: in preparation for the now Tokyo twenty twenty one Olympics.

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Speaker 1: to Workplace law dot com dot au. My guest this

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Speaker 1: week is Australian paddler Jess Fox. Jess represents Australia in

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Speaker 1: canoe slalom in both kayaking and canoe events. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Jess became the greatest paddler of all time after surpassing

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Speaker 1: both her mother and father's records in the sport to

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Speaker 1: now hold seven world championship titles. Jess is currently preparing

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Speaker 1: for her third Olympics in Tokyo, after winning silver in

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Speaker 1: London and bronze in Rio twenty sixteen. I first met

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Speaker 1: Jess about ten years ago when we were both finishing

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Speaker 1: high school, and she's still the same, down to earth,

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Speaker 1: genuine and incredibly humble about everything she's achieved. I love

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Speaker 1: Jess's insights into how she prepares and adapts to unknowns

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Speaker 1: moments of failure in order to bounce back to achieve

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Speaker 1: the ultimate success. I hope you enjoy it. Jess Fox,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. It's good to see you again.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Australia. You've spent the last couple of

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, it's good to be back. I wasn't

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Speaker 3: Obviously, with everything that's happened and flats being canceled and

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Speaker 3: I was able to do that and it was great.

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Speaker 3: It was a great experience. But I kind of didn't

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Speaker 3: Like there was fifty thousand cases a day when I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you talk about with your sport the

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Speaker 1: Looking back at the London twenty twelve Olympics your debut,

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Speaker 3: Kind of didn't expect it and it was an incredible

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Speaker 3: feeling to be able to represent Australia at London.

443
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Speaker 2: It was amazing. The atmosphere was incredible, and.

444
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, the fact that it was my first Games,

445
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 3: the fact that I was young and had nothing to lose,

446
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: really gave me that freedom to paddle, to just do

447
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: my best, to just enjoy that final, to soak in

448
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 3: that atmosphere and the crowd and get that energy from

449
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: representing Australia and wearing the Green and gold versus crippling

450
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: pressure of being an Olympic finals. So yeah, it was

451
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 3: probably one of the most special moments to be able

452
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: to just put down a good run at the Olympics and.

453
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Speaker 1: A good run resulted in a silver medal. What did

454
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Speaker 1: it feel like to win that silver medal at your

455
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: first Olympics?

456
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Speaker 3: Like I said going into it, I just wanted to

457
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 3: do a good run. And I think if you'd asked

458
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 3: me in February when I qualified what my goal was

459
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: for the Olympics, I would have said, you know what,

460
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: if I make the final, that's credible. And then throughout

461
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: the season at the World Cup events, I was performing

462
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: quite well and kept sort of improving right until the Olympics,

463
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: and my goal sort of changed to I definitely want

464
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 3: to make that final, but I don't want to just

465
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: be a finalist like I think I could on my

466
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 3: best day be fifth, you know, make a top five result,

467
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 3: and I just yeah, I had a great final run

468
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: and it was one of those situations where I was

469
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Speaker 3: one of the first girls to start, so I had

470
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: to wait like twenty minutes to see what the result

471
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 3: was and each time one of the favorites would make

472
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 3: a mistake or the next girl coming down would end

473
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Speaker 3: up just behind me, and I just kept that position

474
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: until one of the last girls, Emily Fair, who came

475
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: into the lead and I realized I had a silver medal.

476
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 3: It was just amazing, Like I would have been stoked

477
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Speaker 3: with a fifth, sixth, seventh place with that run. You know,

478
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: you sort of at eighteen, when you haven't really had

479
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: any major senior results, you can't expect to.

480
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Speaker 2: Win a medal. You just want to do your best.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then past forward a few years to the

482
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: Rio twenty sixteen Olympics. Again put in a good performance

483
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: and ended up with a bronze medal, which is an

484
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: incredible achievement at at your second Olympics coming away with

485
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Speaker 1: another medal. I think you described it as a bit

486
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: of unfinished business, and tell me was it. I don't

487
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: think there was disappointment about the bronze medal, but probably

488
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: more in the way that you paddled at the Olympics.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

490
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 3: I've had a few years now to reflect Onreo, and

491
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: it was definitely a very different Olympics to London, even

492
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: in my preparation. My results leading into it were I

493
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 3: had some great races. I was double world champion leading

494
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 3: into Rio in twenty fourteen, and was sort of establishing

495
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: myself as a consistent performer and podium medalist at all

496
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: the World Cups or World Championships. So it was the

497
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: expectations were very different in Rio, and I just wanted

498
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: to do my best race, and I incurred a two

499
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: second penalty right at the end of that final, and

500
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: I remember feeling so frustrated with myself that i'd let

501
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 3: sort of.

502
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: The wind because it was really windy in the final.

503
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: The wind affect the way I paddled because obviously the

504
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: gates move, so you've.

505
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: Got to adapt to that situation.

506
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: And like I said before, I am more of a

507
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: risk taker and I attack it and I kind of

508
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: held back a little bit because of the wind. So

509
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: I think it definitely taught me a lot about racing

510
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 3: in any conditions. And although I was a little bit

511
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: disappointed in the end, you know, winning another medal was

512
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 3: just incredible because I was on the podium again and

513
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: I was up there celebrating performances of Luca Jones, who

514
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: was second, and may Len he'd won the Olympic gold

515
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: so it was still a super special moment and I

516
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 3: don't have regrets, but I learned a lot from that experience.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to play an audio clip or you

518
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Speaker 1: from the World champs in twenty eighteen, which were back

519
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Speaker 1: in Rio.

520
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Speaker 4: Well, that is sensational from Jessica Fox because well she's

521
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 4: into the race lead, but what a recovery. On twenty one,

522
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty three, Jessica Fox of Australia takes the

523
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: race lead and well, an amazing performance. It just shows

524
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 4: her class.

525
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: So you won that K one event, which became your

526
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: sixth world title, which put you into the position which

527
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: I feel like, knowing you and your humility, you probably

528
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: don't love talking about it too much. The greatest paddler

529
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: of all time, the most successful individual paddler of all time.

530
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: You overtook your dad, who was who had achieved five

531
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Speaker 1: world titles for Great Britain. What did that? What did

532
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: that feel like for you? Yeah?

533
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 3: It was so bizarre because arriving into the World Championships,

534
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: I'd had an amazing twenty eighteen World Cup season. I

535
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: was undefeated in the canoe event and I'd won three

536
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: in a row in the Kai and arriving in Rio.

537
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: I had no idea that extra title that you mentioned

538
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: was up for grubs. It was kind of I'm just

539
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: here to do my best racing and try and defend

540
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 3: my world title. And I remember talking to the media

541
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: guy of the ICF, the International Canoe Federation, and he

542
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: I think it was between my semi final and my final,

543
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: and he was like, did you know that if you

544
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 3: win today, you overtake your dad as the most successful

545
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 3: athlete of all time, and if you win tomorrow, you

546
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: overtake your mum as the greatest athlete of all time.

547
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 3: And or it might have been the other way around.

548
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: I don't remember, and I just remember thinking, oh.

549
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't tell me that. Don't tell me these things.

550
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: And yeah.

551
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: I just remember being back in Rio and having this

552
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: extra fire to kind of get my revenge on this course,

553
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: you know, and do my best paddling on this course.

554
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: And in that voice, in that voice recording there, he

555
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: talked about this amazing recovery on twenty one to twenty

556
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: two and it was probably the hardest part of the

557
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: course where a lot of athletes were becoming unstuck. And

558
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: I remember getting to that gate and feeling my boat

559
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: sliding out and feeling that if I didn't hold on,

560
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: I would miss the next gate afterwards, and just having

561
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: this like this animalistic like grunt of this is not

562
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: going to happen, like I'm getting this gate, and just

563
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: putting everything into it and coming away with that well

564
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: titled was probably extra special because knowing I'd save the

565
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: situation when a lot of people had come unstuck there,

566
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: and then to back it up the next day in

567
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: the canoe was just amazing. So that was Yeah, twenty

568
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: eighteen was definitely my best hit ever and very special

569
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 3: to relive.

570
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: I love the way that you described that that moment.

571
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: What do you think it is that is your driving

572
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: factor to be so good at what you do? And

573
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: as you talked about before, how you went over to

574
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: travel recently to kind of mix it up a little

575
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: bit because you've been doing it for so long, What

576
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: do you think it is that kind of keeps you

577
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: going and keeps you moving forward and wanting to be

578
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: so successful at what you do.

579
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Speaker 3: I think part of it is doing those two events

580
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 3: gives me variety and sort of keeps that enjoyment and

581
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: motivation fresh. Because maybe if one event's if you know,

582
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: the kayak isn't going so well at training, the canoe

583
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: might actually be doing really well, and I feel really

584
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: good in that event, and then you know, vice versa.

585
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: So there's there's never that kind of lull where I

586
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: feel like it's monotonous and boring and really hard to

587
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: get out of bed. But obviously those days do happen

588
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: where you feel, you know, lethargic and not as motivated.

589
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: And I'm always reminding myself that I'm so lucky to

590
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: do what I do and to do what I love,

591
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: and that I've set big goals for myself and that's

592
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: ultimately what I'm moving towards. So I think as soon

593
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: as that that fire is not there, it becomes really hard.

594
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: And when is that happens, you know, that'll probably be

595
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: time for me to retire. So I guess, yeah, I'm

596
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: just excited about continuous improvement and knowing that I haven't

597
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: had my best run ever yet, you know, like I've

598
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: still got potential in both events.

599
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: What would be your best run? Ever? How do you know,

600
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: like what is that feeling to know that you've had

601
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: your best run ever?

602
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: I guess athletes know the feeling of being in flow,

603
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, you feel that it's a mental state where

604
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: time slows down a little bit. You feel in control. Physically,

605
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: you're you're there. Mentally, you're reacting to the moment. And

606
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: in my sport, where the gates are coming at you,

607
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: you've got to kind of react to the water as well.

608
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: I think my perfect run is executing it like I

609
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: did in my head when I visualized it, you know,

610
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: executing it and reacting to the moment as it happens,

611
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: and getting to the finish and going I did not

612
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: lose time anywhere, which never happens.

613
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: I had always a better time. Yeah, I guess that's

614
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: my perfect run is knowing that.

615
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: You know, you get to the finish and you're like, wow,

616
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: I nailed everything like I wanted to. My boat was

617
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: in the right position, my strokes were powerful, you know.

618
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: Mentally I held on till the end. So I think

619
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 3: that's my perfect run that I that I search for

620
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: every time.

621
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Speaker 1: I've got a segment that I do on the show

622
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: every week where I have a question from a five

623
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: year old and from my grandma. So the first question

624
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: is from five year old Freda, Hi, just have you

625
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: ever fold over on your boat.

626
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: That's so cute.

627
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: Every time I've done school visits, that's like the number

628
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: one question kids always ask. It's like, what do you

629
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: do when you fall in? Thanks for your question, Frida.

630
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: I have. I have capsized.

631
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: But one of the first.

632
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: Skills we learn when we start paddling is to roll

633
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: back up, so it's called a kayak roll. So I'm yeah,

634
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: very practiced in that. Some people can even roll without

635
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: a paddle. I can, but I'm not sure that if

636
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: I still lose my paddle in a race that I

637
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: would be able to roll under the stress and they

638
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: without my paddles. So yeah, it happens. I don't remember

639
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: the last time I rolled in a race though, but

640
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: it's definitely it happens.

641
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: At training last year.

642
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: Actually, I ran into ballards during one of my races,

643
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: so I did like a full on.

644
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: Head on collision.

645
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: I guess into the ballards and you know, hit my

646
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: head on the deck and that was probably the most

647
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: embarrassing moment in a while in my racing.

648
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: We came away injury free from that.

649
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the block took the brunt and had a good

650
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: hole in it, but I was okay.

651
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: I had a bit of a sore ankle after that,

652
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: but it was fine, very good.

653
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: Next question from my granny, I just which moment in

654
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: your life has had the biggest influence on whom you

655
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: have become.

656
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: Wow, he goes, yeah, I wasn't expecting that question. I

657
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: don't know that I've had one specific one. I think

658
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: I've I've had lots of, I guess moments along the

659
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: way that have taught me a lot. And I think

660
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: in sport we learn a lot about resilience, and this

661
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: year especially, but for me, I think as an athlete,

662
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: the moment that was so formative was twenty seventeen World Championships.

663
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: I was a favorite to win in the canoe event

664
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: and I had.

665
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: A shocking run in the final.

666
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 3: I think I hit three gates and I ended up

667
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: six and I was devastated. And I had the kayak

668
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: event the next day, and that was probably that moment

669
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: where I learned a lot about myself and it's something

670
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: I draw on a lot whenever I have a bad day.

671
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: It was that moment of learning to kind of let

672
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: go of that disappointment and come back the next day

673
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: and just show the world what you could do, and

674
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: that it was just one bad day. You know, it's

675
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: not something that defines you. It was just a bad day,

676
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm here and I'm back and I'm

677
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: ready for this moment. And winning the world title in

678
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: the kayak in twenty seventeen the next day after that

679
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: huge disappointment was probably that moment for me that really

680
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: showed me what I was capable of.

681
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I think that's so cool seeing the way that athletes

682
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: can bounce back from that stuff. I was listening to

683
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: a podcast with Steph Gilmore the other day who was

684
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: talking about she'd won like four or five world titles

685
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: in a row or something, and then she had an

686
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: incident happen and then she kind of had to come

687
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: back and learn how to win again. And I think

688
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: that's such an incredible tool that you learn to come

689
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: back from disappointment and not succeeding to then come back

690
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: and perform.

691
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting because after twenty eighteen, you know,

692
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: I won a lot of the World Cups that season,

693
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: and in twenty nineteen when I think I came third

694
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: and then I came seventh or tenth or something, and.

695
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: People were like, Oh, what's happened?

696
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, actually, you can't really compare

697
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: year to year. It's really different. And I definitely relate

698
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: to that overcoming the disappointments and the doubts, because when

699
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: I failed in twenty seventeen, it was like, well that happens.

700
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: You know.

701
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: I definitely made a lot of mistakes and I wasn't

702
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: in the right frame of mind and I had a

703
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: big cry. But then you go, Okay, let's move on,

704
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: Like we've got to get back on the horse and

705
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: just do what you know how to do, essentially, keep

706
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: it simple.

707
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty, we were hoping to go to

708
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: the Tokyo Olympics, which have obviously been postponed. You earlier

709
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: in the year got pretty creative in your swimming pool

710
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: out the back of and I'm caught in the pool.

711
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about your training

712
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: that you did during lockdown?

713
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in lockdown we could have don our

714
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 3: normal whitewater training. We could get on the Napeine River

715
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: and I did a little bit of flat water there

716
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: and I had a swimming pool, so I would do

717
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: some gym sessions in my backyard and lift some weights around,

718
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: and I broke a few of mum's pavers of the

719
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: patio and then I would jump in the kaya. I

720
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: can do it if you turn and yeah, one day

721
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: the Ryan Pierce from get Images came to take some

722
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: photos and we just jumped in the pool and those

723
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: photos ended up in like Spanish and Italian newspapers and things.

724
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: They were kind of random, but yeah, I was definitely

725
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: very grateful that we could still get outside for exercise

726
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: every day, and I was grateful that I wasn't in

727
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: an apartment like a lot of people overseas were sort

728
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: of just stuck and couldn't couldn't do much at all.

729
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: So it was, yeah, a pretty tough time, but I

730
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: think I sort of took it in my stride. And

731
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: my grandma was with us from France at the time,

732
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: so it was nice to be spending more time with

733
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: her and to get active with her and get her

734
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: walking and doing yoga in the backyard.

735
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: So it was actually a really special time.

736
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: Too, very nice. And looking now towards twenty twenty one,

737
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: the Tokyo Olympics, where you will now be able to

738
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: compete in the canoe and the kayak events, what does

739
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: your preparation look like next year leading into Tokyo.

740
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: It's really hard to plan. I think this is.

741
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: We have all these grand plans of going to Tokyo,

742
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: you know, in March, in April, in May, in June,

743
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: but we have no idea if that'll happen. Because if

744
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: we've got a quarantine every time we come back, it's

745
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: just not going to be worth it. So the plan

746
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: if COVID disappears and the border is open and there's

747
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: normal quarantine, would be to get on that Olympic course

748
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: in Japan for the official training camps. And there's sort

749
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: of like one week to ten days of water every

750
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: month starting in March, and then there'll be World Cup

751
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: events in June and then the Olympics in July. So's

752
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: it can be a jam packed schedule or it might

753
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: just change dramatically. And I'm just trying to just see

754
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: how we go and just focus on what I can

755
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: do each each day and focus on the things I

756
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: can control.

757
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: And heading into the Olympics, if they do go ahead,

758
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: as we all are very much hoping that they do,

759
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: if the world's in a safe place, my guess would

760
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: be that the goal is to bring home a gold medal.

761
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Is that something that you when you're kind of setting

762
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: your goals and planning. Is that kind of what you

763
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: what you look at. Do you talk about trying to

764
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: win goal? Do you talk about like what does that

765
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: process look like for you?

766
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because our sport doesn't have PBS or

767
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 3: world records to aim for. And yes, definitely the Olympic

768
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: gold medal is what I dream about and what motivates

769
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: me and definitely a goal. But it's hard to aim

770
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: for that when you don't know what your competitors are

771
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: going to pull out on the day as well, So

772
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: it's not like I have a benchmark time that if

773
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: I hit, I know that I'm going to win. And

774
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: I guess that's why it comes back to doing your

775
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: best run on the day in those conditions.

776
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: So I think that that's my.

777
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: Main goal is to be in the best shape possible

778
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: for Tokyo lining up on that start line with you know,

779
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: the confidence that I've done everything mentally, physically, technically to

780
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: do with the best run of my life on that course. Yeah,

781
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: that's I'm hoping that's how I get there, But I

782
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: know that you know, in the lead up to Rio,

783
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: I had some niggerly injuries, so you sort of You've

784
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 3: just got to be confident that you've got the tools, whatever,

785
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: the conditions to adapt.

786
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: I like that kind of trying to get yourself into

787
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: that into that flow state and you have your best

788
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: run now right.

789
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's so hard because it's one day

790
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: every four years. So the likelihood of you waking up

791
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: that day in the best shape of your life, feeling

792
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: the best you ever have is pretty slim, you know.

793
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: So you've got to be able to perform no matter

794
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: how you're feeling. If you've had the world's worst night sleep,

795
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: or you wake up and you've got your period, or

796
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: if you wake up and who knows, like you threw

797
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: up your breakfast.

798
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: Let's just plan for anything, any scenario.

799
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: But I guess yeah, you've got to be ready for

800
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: anything and just do the best you can with what

801
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: you've got.

802
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a final segment, which is a would

803
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: you rather segment? So I've got three questions for you.

804
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: Oh before we go into that.

805
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, go for it.

806
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: I was thinking back to I mean, you mentioned that

807
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: we first met at the ends with Day, but I

808
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 3: was thinking that I remember arriving in the Olympic village

809
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: and we were actually on the same floor, staying on

810
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 3: the same floor.

811
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: Our rooms were close by.

812
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: And I just remember when I got there, I hadn't

813
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: really met any of you girls yet, and I just

814
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 3: remember thinking, oh my god, we're on the same floor

815
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: as the Rugby girls.

816
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: They're going to be so loud, They're going to be

817
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: so noisy.

818
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: I'm really nervous that, like, you know, when they're finished,

819
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: they're going to.

820
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 2: Be partying or whatever. And I remember when New Girls

821
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: won gold. Could you were the first day?

822
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we started on day one of competition, were

823
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: finished by day three, so we were over really yeah.

824
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 3: Over really quickly, and it was just this amazing energy,

825
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 3: Like walking into the hallway, it wasn't like a disruptive energy.

826
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: It was like an amazing, just inspiring energy that I

827
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: was walking up to this hall where your girls had

828
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: just done an amazing performance and you were supporting me

829
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: who was raising the next day, and I like got

830
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: little notes on my door and.

831
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: It was the best.

832
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: So that's really I remember thinking like, oh God, and

833
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 3: then just it completely being the reverse of a really

834
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: special special moment.

835
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: So hopefully we share the same floor next time like that.

836
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: That, I'm very glad that we did that in a

837
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: nice control, did upset because I remember having that thought

838
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: like we were finished on day three and yeah, we

839
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: didn't even start a competition yet, So I think that

840
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: was something that like we wanted to celebrate and party

841
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: and eat loss of chicken nuggets all those but no,

842
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: it was it was very special. I think being in

843
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: the village with the Australian athletes, like even when we

844
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: came back, and the amount of other Aussie athletes that

845
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: had been down in the team room watching our game,

846
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: like and watching us win and who was so supportive,

847
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: it was a pretty special experience. Yeah.

848
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Tokyo will be very different, but

849
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: hopefully there's still that great team atmosphere and that is

850
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: so special about the Olympics.

851
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, are you ready?

852
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: Yes?

853
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: Okay, number one nervous. Would you rather win a race

854
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: by being the last one to paddle and do it

855
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: in the fastest time or be the first down the

856
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: course and then watch everyone else fail to beat your time?

857
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

858
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 3: I've done both, and I have to say that being

859
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: last to go is probably more satisfying because you've probably

860
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: heard the results of everyone else and if there's been

861
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 3: a really good time set out, you know what you've

862
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: got to beat, and so crossing that finish line you

863
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: know instantly what the result is, so.

864
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: You can celebrate it if it's a good result.

865
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: Whereas being first off, it's quite hard to judge what

866
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: the race is going to be. So I'd probably say number.

867
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: One, Okay, nice, I was wondering that. So you obviously

868
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: when you cross the finish line, you know what the

869
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: result is. Yeah, but do a screen at the Okay,

870
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: Do you have a feel for how you're going during

871
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: the race in terms of the time, Yeah.

872
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: Sort of.

873
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I'm generally quite I can block

874
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: out the noise, but I seem to always what the

875
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 3: split is in the middle of the course, Like I'll

876
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 3: always like two seconds up, or you know, if she's

877
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: one second down, and so I try not to let

878
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: that affect my race plan or anything, but sometimes you

879
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: just can't help it. Yeah, so you do, you do

880
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: have a rough idea of whether it was better than

881
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: your semi final run because it's the same course, so

882
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: you might judge it off that, like you'll you'll feel

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Speaker 3: like you're doing a better run, or you're trying harder

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Speaker 3: or the boat is running better, but you sort of

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Speaker 3: you never know until you cross the finish line what

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Speaker 3: the time is?

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Speaker 1: Number two? Would you rather have to paddle through hot

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Speaker 1: lava or nickelodeon slile?

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Speaker 2: Definitely slime. I mean I'd probably just melt my equipment.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I haven't thought about that part. It probably doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe should have said like lava or vomit. I'd probably

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Speaker 3: still choose vomit.

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Speaker 1: Lovely. Number three just a little precursor this one. So

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Speaker 1: you're bilingual? Do you speak French and English? Number three?

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Speaker 1: Would you rather be fluent in every language? Or to

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Speaker 1: be able to converse with dogs?

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Speaker 3: You know, I never would have thought i'd give this

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Speaker 3: one much thought, but you always just want to know

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Speaker 3: what goes through a dog's head, Right, You're.

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Speaker 1: A big dog fan. You do your is it a

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Speaker 1: weekly dog selfie?

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Speaker 3: I sort of stopped now that we've got a greyhound

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Speaker 3: foster dog, you know, I feel like I'm cheating on her. Okay, yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: that's been really cool actually to have her around, especially

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Speaker 3: during COVID. I'd probably say dogs because I think I

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Speaker 3: could maybe learn other languages.

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Speaker 2: Later, but you probably wouldn't be able to learn dog

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Speaker 2: that easily.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like that.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, I've never these thoughts have never

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Speaker 3: really crossed my mind. It's good to put people at

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Speaker 3: the spot.

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Speaker 1: I like it. Thank you so much for coming on today.

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Speaker 1: I've loved having a chat about the way that you

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Speaker 1: prepare and perform and the way that you've been able

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Speaker 1: to keep all of that going to such a high

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Speaker 1: standard over so many years. It's really cool. And I'm yeah,

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Speaker 1: really excited to hopefully go to Tokyo with you, hopefully

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Speaker 1: be on the same floor. Oh and that was the

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Speaker 1: other thing I was thinking. I messaged you earlier in

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Speaker 1: the year about potentially being my co host on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: but this was it didn't work because you're obviously overseas.

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Speaker 2: Overseas at the time.

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Speaker 3: But I'm so glad you've you've started this prom us.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I've done it without you. Yeah, okay, but thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on and for coming out here today.

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Speaker 1: I've really loved it.

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Speaker 3: And thank you, and it's been great to chat again.

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Speaker 3: And I look forward to listening to the podcast. It's

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Speaker 3: great to hear all the stories of female athletes, like

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Speaker 3: thank you for doing that.

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Speaker 1: Too. You can find Jess on Instagram at Jess Fox

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Speaker 1: ninety four. I forgot to ask her about that quick.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to my team who put everything together behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes for The Female Athlete Project. Bailey on production, Mic

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Speaker 1: on marketing, and Bez on the research. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. We'll catch you on the next episode. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram at the Female Athlete Project.