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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katy, good warning listener.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Mate. How

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Speaker 1: I understand that you've sort of got the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: So what really was the message to Cambra gav.

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Speaker 2: we've certainly got that up and up and ready to

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Speaker 2: go for this for the Christmas break and also making

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Speaker 2: sure that we're wrapping holistic support around all of our

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Speaker 2: family where we don't just turn off the support switch

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Speaker 2: at the end of the term and the fifteenth of

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Speaker 2: December and come back at the end of January and

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Speaker 2: think that we're going to have a fantastic outcome where

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Speaker 2: we will be up and running right across the break

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Speaker 2: and working with all the stakeholders across Jales Springs community

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Speaker 2: to ensure our kids get what they deserve.

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Speaker 1: Well you bring your school principal, Gavin Morris, I always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you very much for having a

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Speaker 1: chat with us, and hopefully you know after those meetings

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Speaker 1: in Canberra we can see some movement on this Boarding School.

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Speaker 2: Always appreciate you support Katie and have a great day you.

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Speaker 3: Too, mate. Thank you