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Speaker 1: I hard podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen

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Speaker 1: live on the Free I heard at.

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Speaker 2: The Will and Woody podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it because I just think is a

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Speaker 1: great business opportunity for the two of us. We have

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Speaker 1: a company together called Will and Woody Proprietary Limited, and

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Speaker 1: I think it would be a sound investment to buy

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Speaker 1: the fake rhino from Acefintur. When Nature calls the nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five film with Jim.

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Speaker 3: Carey ninety five, analyst wasn't even born. Yeah, have you

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Speaker 3: seen it? Ab No, you know what we're doing. No,

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Speaker 3: I just know. Yeah, Now that does concern me a

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Speaker 3: little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I asked it, because you keep plugging

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Speaker 4: it like it's this big piece of cultural iconography.

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Speaker 3: But I just don't know if it's there.

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Speaker 1: It is such an iconic scene for those that haven't

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Speaker 1: seen it, and maybe it is.

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Speaker 4: Don't play the audio because it takes its jakes you back.

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Speaker 1: Fine, But basically, Jim Carrey he births himself out of

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Speaker 1: a rhino.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's a pivotal scene in the movie.

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Speaker 1: He's inside a mechanical rhinos spying on someone.

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Speaker 4: Pivotal scene. Look, you know I love this movie. You

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Speaker 4: know you know you know I love the moment, I'm

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Speaker 4: all all those things I'm for. I just I don't

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Speaker 4: love it enough to spend twenty thousand dollars on it.

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Speaker 3: There's plenty more people who like Sean has called on thirteen.

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Speaker 4: Plenty Sean's the only caller, and I'm happy to pull

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Speaker 4: the curtain down here enough.

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Speaker 3: Sure our phone call.

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Speaker 1: The phone lines must be broken, because Sean, you're the

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Speaker 1: only person who thinks this is also a great idea.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a great idea.

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Speaker 6: But you guys need to do a coin flip to

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Speaker 6: see who haves to crawl out the back of the rhner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, there's lots of fun to be had. That's a

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Speaker 4: lot of when the Rhinos in town.

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely. The phone lines aren't broken.

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Speaker 4: Live just killed the phone lines and straight through so

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Speaker 4: that the phone lines are open.

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Speaker 1: I just think as well, kids parties, Yeah, you take

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Speaker 1: the rhino there. Everyone loves that.

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Speaker 3: I mean kids.

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Speaker 1: If Analyze hasn't heard of it and she's twenty five,

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Speaker 1: maybe the kids.

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Speaker 3: Won't like it. But honestly, if we went to like

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Speaker 3: a carnival, well mate, we both have we went two children.

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Speaker 1: Are I'm I'm happy to do the work. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: to side hustle. I'll go to carnivals, sexy jars, cooling through.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I've got to go called Darcy. Darcy.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we should buy the the the fake

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Speaker 1: rhino from ace Ventura?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, boys do? Would be great idea, an investment.

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Speaker 3: That's also about.

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Speaker 1: It's our digital as just a random person who's driving

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Speaker 1: out there in Australia. That's great to hear. So two

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Speaker 1: people think we're keen to get it. A couple of

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Speaker 1: things for you to know, though, will so I've emailed.

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Speaker 3: Them because you'll emailed her. The auction house. The auction house.

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Speaker 3: Where's the auction house.

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Speaker 1: It's in LA So there's going to be a live

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Speaker 1: auction next Wednesday, okay. So I will be able to

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Speaker 1: link up there and I can be on a screen

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Speaker 1: live okay, and then the bidding will begin.

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Speaker 3: Hang on, hang on what hand on? You're you've got

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Speaker 3: to the point with him where you discussed I will

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Speaker 3: be how you'll be involved in the auction and I

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Speaker 3: have to get up at like two am. Mate, You're

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Speaker 3: not I have not, I have not. I haven't put

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Speaker 4: Well, we need to talk about a hard limit here,

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Speaker 4: because you keep moving it around.

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Speaker 1: Lily is called Jesus Christ. Here we go, Lily. You

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Speaker 1: think we should buy the rhino?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, I'm twenty four and I'm

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Speaker 3: Right in the demo, Lily, Right in the demo, it's

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Speaker 3: got a Julia here? Is it? Julia or Julia Elia outstanding?

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Speaker 3: You think we should buy the rhino.

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Speaker 8: I think I should buy the rhino.

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Speaker 4: Joined the bidding, a competition in the bidding, it's online

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Speaker 4: for anyone can do it.

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Speaker 3: No, no, all right. When we talk before we go

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Speaker 3: to more people, all of us called.

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Speaker 4: Look, a lot of people are calling out there, well done,

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Speaker 4: because we said no one was calling.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, that's why people are calling.

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Speaker 1: Because now the more we talk about it, the more

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Speaker 3: He's a young Mark Boris.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the other thing I'm waiting for an email

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Speaker 1: about postage and handling.

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Speaker 3: Boris can buy the rhino. I think Boris could buy

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Speaker 3: the rhino. Don't think there you go. Why are you

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Speaker 3: of Boris. Let's call Boris.

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Speaker 4: Boris is a big dealer Is and he's got a

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Speaker 4: podcast or something called The Mentalist.

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Speaker 3: That's Simon Baker. He's got a podcast. He does he's

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Speaker 3: taken the open well.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I think Boris would be a great contact, and

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Speaker 4: we'll ask Boris for twenty grand.

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Speaker 3: Does everyone know who we're talking about. He's a well

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Speaker 1: Classic, he's a very very good businessman, very rich. We'll

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Speaker 1: get Boris on the show tomorrow. But will I need

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Speaker 1: to continue talking to you so postage and handling. I'm

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Speaker 1: waiting for an email from the guy who runs the

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Speaker 1: auction house. But I think I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: need to pay minimum to win this thing, twenty thousand

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Speaker 3: I just I just need you to give me the

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Speaker 3: green light there. But apparently with our poorest to come

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Speaker 3: on the show before, and he's declined, Is that right? Lightly?

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Speaker 3: I do I do feel under again, we do feel

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Speaker 3: I feel under it.

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Speaker 1: Someone make a ghost email and let's email. I love

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Speaker 1: to talk to Okay, so twenty thousand Australian dollars. Can

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Speaker 1: we just green light that? Because I know I.

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Speaker 4: Don't there's a lot of money, and I know you're serious.

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Speaker 4: You know, I come along and play with you here

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Speaker 4: if I thought that this was a bit of fun.

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Speaker 4: But I know when you get that look in your eye,

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Speaker 4: and I know that you're going to be on a

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Speaker 4: video call with Los Angeles and I know you're going

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Speaker 4: to pitch twenty thousand dollars?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and are you happy with twenty thousand?

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Speaker 1: So you're showing that you're alive, because here's some audio

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Speaker 1: from yesterday's show when you and me had a fair

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Speaker 1: and honest negotiation.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen thirty fifteen thirty fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen twenty five twenty five is twenty five and I

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Speaker 3: I don't care. I've got five from you.

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Speaker 4: Yep, bank five grand at twenty thousand Australian is where

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Speaker 4: you're at.

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Speaker 3: So you're a liar. I forgot that Sexy Dars was

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Speaker 3: putting in five. We shouldn't forget that. And because you lied,

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Speaker 3: it's up to twenty five. No, it's not. Can I

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Speaker 3: just can you show me the auction site? Can I

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Speaker 3: get a link here or something to right Planet Hollywood Collection.

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Speaker 1: Don't anyone join though, if you're listening and trying out

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Speaker 1: bid us, all right, no funny buggers, We're going to

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Speaker 1: get it here in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Have they got to start? Like? Can you bid online now? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Because it's already at oh CO. It's currently at twenty

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Speaker 3: I see, I don't. There's been twenty seven bids. See.

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Speaker 1: I googled that, dude, this is going to go over

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Speaker 1: see I googled that. I'm not mean, what do you

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Speaker 1: mean you google current absentiques?

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what that meant.

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Speaker 1: That does appear that so someone is going to bid

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand and they're not coming to the auction though.

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Speaker 1: But I think if I'm there at the auction showing

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Speaker 1: good faith, then they'll take my physical bid over.

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Speaker 3: Go to the auction, take your twenty thousand, twenty five

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Speaker 3: twenty you can get in five twenty days in the US,

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Speaker 3: or stop it, stop.

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Speaker 4: It, you can put in five thousand yr own or

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure Joe r Ep was saying, there's there's

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Speaker 3: Is that right Woodrow The Interinet's going into absolute meltdown

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Speaker 3: right now about the fact that Pedro Pascal shaved the

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Speaker 3: for the for the Oscars.

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Speaker 1: It was weird looking at him, It's like it wasn't Pedro.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ye, well he also has like the most I'm

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Speaker 4: going to say probably iconic mustache in Hollywood at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I never seen him without it.

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Speaker 1: No, I think since he played Pablo Escobar in Narcos, did.

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Speaker 3: You play Publo Escobar? It's as it was in Narcos.

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Speaker 3: He had a mo in Narcos. Jesus Christ, I have

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Speaker 3: got that right. I haven't look that up.

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Speaker 1: So since since then he didn't play Pablo Escobar. Maybe

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Speaker 1: what Snargo's about? Have yer Pinya, that's bubblo. But look

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Speaker 1: up Narcos, all right mate, he's in it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he played Javier Penya then, yeah, yeah, anyway, so

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Speaker 4: since then.

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Speaker 3: You relief from everyone. You you actually speading on it.

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Speaker 3: Your brows you've lit up.

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Speaker 1: It's also forty degrees in here, but we don't talk

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Speaker 1: about that now. But since then, he's never shaved his mow. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's iconic, it's absolutely iconic. That's that's that's over fifteen

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Speaker 1: years of mo he's got he's got mo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 4: It's so different when guys shave their facial hair, so

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Speaker 4: with someone who has an iconic mustache, they're almost unrecognizable.

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Speaker 4: There's actually a trend going around online at the moment

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Speaker 4: which is just guys clean shaving and then showing their

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Speaker 3: If you haven't, I've got some audio here of them

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Speaker 3: doing that. Have you listened to this?

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Speaker 10: What did you say?

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Speaker 11: Where did it all go?

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what you are anymore?

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Speaker 5: Don't you love me? You don't love it?

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Speaker 3: Do I look younger?

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Speaker 5: Do you want me to keep it?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 3: That's funny.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to know right now, But actually go and

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Speaker 4: listen here, actually a list. What did you What do

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Speaker 4: you think of the first of all, Pedro in Narcos?

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Speaker 10: Yes, no, I haven't seen him in Narcos because I

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Speaker 10: haven't seen it, but yes, he was in it.

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Speaker 3: That's what do you think of him? What do you

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Speaker 3: think of him? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I didn't love it. I missed the mobile.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not normally I don't I like facial hair.

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Speaker 3: Usually you don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm usually anti facial hair, right.

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Speaker 3: Do I both have. Yeah, it's legacy facial hair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you do.

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Speaker 4: What we're taking is were there consequences to the last

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Speaker 3: Like furteen one, six y five, let's take your girl?

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Speaker 4: So, but the reason we're taking calls on this is Pedro. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Pascal rocked up with the oscars without a mustache.

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Speaker 3: It just it wasn't Pedro Pascal. I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was kind of like, I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: Wow? That probrobably should have been the phone topic. Were

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Speaker 1: Interestingly though, before before the Song and a Lease, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like nice.

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Speaker 3: Very attractive, You're confident.

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Speaker 4: It's like the reason I have facial hair hiding your

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Speaker 3: Shave it off. Wow, you're not I'm not good looking.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to try and get sim on the phone

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Speaker 3: We're try and call it out. She will see how

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Speaker 3: that goes. Answer two kids at home by myself. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 7: Oh no, that's a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: Why are you in the middle of something?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 7: No, I just don't do very well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's right, doing beautifully. I just sent you a

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, oh will oh oh is that Ai? That

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Speaker 3: That's a very good pickup. Why don't you like to

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Speaker 3: listen to the relief? Listen to the relief? I think

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Speaker 3: I think it was a beautiful man when he shaves

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Speaker 7: No, but I have to say, like when it's actually saving,

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Speaker 7: You wouldn't have given him a second look?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, yeah, right, well there you go.

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Speaker 4: Well I know you said it now, and that's why

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Speaker 4: I thought that was implied, but maybe we'll put that

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Speaker 4: Alana, Alana, what were the consequences last time You're partner

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Well, mine was kind of like a double ended thword.

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Speaker 6: My three year old actually asked his dad to shave

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Speaker 3: So then what did he do?

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Speaker 1: Because that's he's ad a sticky situation there where he's

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Speaker 3: Or part of not trap you're married. But so where

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Speaker 6: No, he grew it back.

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Speaker 7: But every time it gets too long, my three year.

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Speaker 3: And it's a full reset for him. It is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a call, Ana, Wow, Tamy's called thirteen one

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Speaker 3: You're choosing your three year old? Your wife?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I doubt you, Samie, that's cooled. Tamy, Hi, how

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Speaker 3: Good mate? Your partner's got facial hair.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 8: And we've been dating for six months.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 8: And then I came back and I went, oh, no,

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Speaker 8: I didn't sign on to that.

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Speaker 3: Oh you said that to him?

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Speaker 8: I did, And I said, I'm going to go and

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Speaker 9: It looked like it was a three decade.

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Speaker 3: You were twenty years older than him. Yeah, still with him? Tamy? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well done. If you haven't seen the Louis throu doco

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Speaker 3: on the Manosphere on Netflix, that's your watching for tonight.

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Speaker 3: You're not across what the.

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Speaker 4: Manisphere is, basically a non Ideology's probably what I'm going

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Speaker 4: to call it now borderline cult style religion whereby boys

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Speaker 3: He's a little bit from the doco just so you

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Speaker 4: This is one of the influences that Lewis talks to

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Speaker 3: Have listened.

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Speaker 12: I coach boys how to make money, Oh, this is

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Speaker 1: How to be outside the system, how to be proper guys.

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Speaker 3: Irresistible to hordes of young fans. Fifteen is probably like

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Speaker 3: What am I doing? I'm doing it for money. I

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Speaker 3: I'm living for myself. Do you consider yourself a misogynist?

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Speaker 3: I love women and actually understand them. You think you

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Speaker 1: They want to go They can lead them and dominate them.

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Speaker 3: Love go on there. We both watched this woods and

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Speaker 3: we were a bit shocked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny. So we were talking to Stephen

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Speaker 1: who is he's an expert in.

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Speaker 3: This area, professor of sociology.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so my experience with the docco when I was

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Speaker 1: watching it is I was laughing at these characters. Initially

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Speaker 1: it was just like, I just can't believe what's coming

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Speaker 3: It just seems so ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: But then as you watched it further and further, it

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Speaker 1: it was a horror movie.

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Speaker 4: the Manosphere can get ended up in the death of

442
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Speaker 4: another child because someone was sort of indoctrinated by the

443
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Speaker 4: stuff that they were learning online and it's really scary.

444
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Speaker 4: So look, if you want to hear the full chat

445
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Speaker 4: that we had with Stephen Roberts, who's a professor of

446
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Speaker 4: sociology at Monish Univery and he at Monish University and

447
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Speaker 4: He specializes in the transition from youth to young adulthood, which.

448
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Speaker 3: Is what these guys target.

449
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Speaker 4: They target boys that age because they're impressionable, which is

450
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Speaker 4: really scary.

451
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Speaker 3: Head a lot of the Wilamoody podcast stream. I think

452
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Speaker 3: there'll be some stuff in our social media as well

453
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Speaker 3: from the chat with Stephen, because he said some stuff

454
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Speaker 3: which we're not going to be able to eloquently summarize.

455
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Speaker 4: If I'm being honest, he was really good, but he

456
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Speaker 4: said a lot of stuff which continued to scare us.

457
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Speaker 4: This included this is some of the stuff that he's

458
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Speaker 4: got from some of his research recently.

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Speaker 12: Have they bring these behaviors into classrooms. One thing they

460
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Speaker 12: do is make teaching untenable. I'll tell you some of

461
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Speaker 12: the stuff that I've heard about that boys do to

462
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Speaker 12: teach us. Spit in their water bottles, what chat them harassed.

463
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Speaker 5: Them as a group.

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Speaker 12: There was a piece of footage from Western Nuts earlier yesterday,

465
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Speaker 12: boys ruffling the hair and blowing smoke in the face

466
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Speaker 12: of a relief teacher, an elderly woman. Actually, I would

467
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Speaker 12: say woman is close to my time, But that kind

468
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Speaker 12: of stuff happens up and down the country.

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Speaker 4: Look, I was a teenage boy, and I'm not proud

470
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Speaker 4: of a lot of the stuff that I did when

471
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Speaker 4: I was a teenage boy.

472
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Speaker 3: And I think that comes with the territory of being

473
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Speaker 3: a teenager. Whether you're a girl or a boy, you

474
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Speaker 3: do stuff you're not proud of. You're an idiot, you

475
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Speaker 3: carry on. I think we can all agree on that.

476
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the last thing that we want

477
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Speaker 4: to do here is continue to shame teenagers for doing

478
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Speaker 4: the wrong thing, because that has that's what has created

479
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Speaker 4: the manisphere is from what I understand, there's a whole

480
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Speaker 4: bunch of young boys who are told that they are.

481
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Speaker 3: Even though they're not, even though they're not involved with it.

482
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Speaker 4: There's this been this strong and I think positive movement

483
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Speaker 4: against toxic masculinity, which they have been targeted by as well.

484
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Speaker 4: And as a result, they've had no where to high,

485
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Speaker 4: They've had no where to run into these demonic Manisphere

486
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Speaker 4: guys who go, hey, look, you're lost, you're hurting, you

487
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Speaker 4: don't know where you are in the world.

488
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Speaker 3: Come to me.

489
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Speaker 4: I can teach you an ideology where you can have

490
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Speaker 4: the strength to respond and rebel against all these people

491
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Speaker 4: who are telling you you're toxic and Hence it feels

492
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Speaker 4: like a safe place for them, and they idolize these

493
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Speaker 4: guys who are promoting really awful values.

494
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Speaker 1: And then awfully, it's women that gets treated really poorly

495
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Speaker 1: because of it. Again, do you know what I mean,

496
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Speaker 1: like the toxic masculinity that it was an attempt to

497
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Speaker 1: treat women fairly. Yeah, but now the manisphere has now

498
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Speaker 1: created these guys treating women poorly again. Yeah, and that's

499
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Speaker 1: why they're these kids are targeting female teachers specifically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty intense. Anyway.

501
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Speaker 4: Look, we didn't ever get a chance to talk to

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Speaker 4: any of you guys about this yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's lots of sides to this. I had

505
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Speaker 4: a little boy recently, and I was really scared watching

506
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Speaker 4: the Luis throu doco because I was like, Wow, this

507
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Speaker 4: is going to be something that's in my son's life. Yeah,

508
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Speaker 4: thirteen one oh six five. I would love to hear

509
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Speaker 4: from you guys, just how do you feel about this

510
00:23:01,309 --> 00:23:04,589
Speaker 4: Manisphere thing. Maybe you are a teenage boy right now,

511
00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:06,949
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of this lingo flying around at

512
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Speaker 4: your school. Maybe you're a parent, you've got a kid,

513
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Speaker 4: a little kid, a little boy, a little girl, even

514
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Speaker 4: who's coming into contact with some of this stuff. Maybe

515
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Speaker 4: you're a teenage girl and you're scared about the way

516
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Speaker 4: that some of your mates are descending into this sort

517
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Speaker 4: of chat lingo. The phone numbers thirteen one oh six five.

518
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Speaker 4: And I think this is what's good about radio in

519
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Speaker 4: a lot of ways. It's a public forum for us

520
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Speaker 4: to talk about this sort of stuff. So I'd love

521
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Speaker 4: to hear from you guys and have a chat about,

522
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Speaker 4: hopefully something which is going to be in the distant

523
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Speaker 4: past sometime soon, but right now is prescient, it's pressing,

524
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Speaker 4: and it's concerning thirteen one oh sixty five. If you've

525
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Speaker 4: seen the Mani Sphere documentary on Netflix, give us a

526
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Speaker 4: call please. We're all talking about it so much.

527
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Speaker 3: So much, discuss much. Kelly's called thirteen one oh six five.

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Speaker 3: We'll kick off with you. Kelly. You're a mum of

529
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Speaker 3: four boys.

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Speaker 9: I'm a mum of four boys.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I oh gosh, what's going on?

532
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Speaker 3: I lost Kelly. They go to one of the boys,

533
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Speaker 3: got the metasfeit sec and Jeff. We'll come back to Kelly.

534
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Speaker 1: Wow, that was the weirdest think. It was a well

535
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Speaker 1: what's happening?

536
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:20,948
Speaker 3: And gone Oh, you're right, they've taken it out.

537
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Speaker 4: That was it was extraordinary and when it seeks oh great,

538
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Speaker 4: this is a great perspective.

539
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Speaker 3: A have you seen the doc eye?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're two nights ago and you're a.

541
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Speaker 4: Year ten coordinator. So are we talking like sixteen fifteen

542
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Speaker 4: year old boys?

543
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Fifteen going into B sixteen?

544
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, cool? What what what are your thoughts about

545
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Speaker 4: this whole thing?

546
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

547
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Speaker 11: Fascinating. First of all, I think from our perspective as teachers,

548
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Speaker 11: the thing that we deal with the most is probably

549
00:24:51,629 --> 00:24:55,269
Speaker 11: the aftermath of what they're seeing at home and kind

550
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Speaker 11: of what they're big end of the classroom. So we

551
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Speaker 11: deal with situations on a daily whether it has to

552
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Speaker 11: do with relationships that young that young students are in,

553
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Speaker 11: young female students are in that are highly toxic that

554
00:25:07,949 --> 00:25:10,869
Speaker 11: we as a adults can recognize the signs of, but

555
00:25:10,989 --> 00:25:15,869
Speaker 11: they're so embedded in this world that we as adults.

556
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Speaker 5: I find it difficult to understand. You. I'm thirty two,

557
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Speaker 5: so I can comprehend it.

558
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Speaker 11: But we didn't grow up with the phones in our

559
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Speaker 11: hands and and yeah, man, and I try to really

560
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Speaker 11: come at an angle where I keep that at the

561
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Speaker 11: forefront of my mind that we can relate, but not

562
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Speaker 11: to that extent. And I think that what the doco

563
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Speaker 11: really highlighted is how many voices are out there. Another

564
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Speaker 11: interesting thing, I recognize a lot of the guys to

565
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Speaker 11: the point where you could tell the algorithms kind of

566
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Speaker 11: feeding them to me because I'm in that demographic to

567
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Speaker 11: an extent. My partner had no idea who any of

568
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Speaker 11: the guys were. So they pop on the screen.

569
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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I've seen him. He's got he's kind

570
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Speaker 5: of radical.

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Speaker 3: Fo wow. So do you think that's a social media thing?

572
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's one of the things that Louis, that

573
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Speaker 4: Louis covers off in the doco is that they do

574
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Speaker 4: this rage bait thing.

575
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the deliberately farming.

576
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Speaker 4: Click farmbing say something that's deliberately confusing but like conflicting,

577
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Speaker 4: but also it's deliberately conflicting, so you're confused by it,

578
00:26:20,589 --> 00:26:21,509
Speaker 4: so you watch more of it.

579
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

580
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

581
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Speaker 11: Rage bait is the term that I deal with daily. Yeah,

582
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Speaker 11: is the term I had to mediate with to day

583
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Speaker 11: between a fight that happened because of students raised bating

584
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Speaker 11: the others. So like the terms and the things that

585
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Speaker 11: they use is so embedded and like you wouldn't believe so,

586
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Speaker 11: so again, the dynamic between me and my partner is,

587
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Speaker 11: you know, she obviously doesn't work in that in the

588
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Speaker 11: school setting.

589
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Speaker 5: So the the you.

590
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Speaker 11: Know, the contrast there and when I was having these

591
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Speaker 11: discussions about the impact of social media and these guys

592
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Speaker 11: that they've got on the doco. Yeah, and then that

593
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Speaker 11: bridge that you can draw directly to the terminology.

594
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Speaker 5: That the students use on a daily whether.

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Speaker 11: It is the manuscript type of stucause you can also.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and do you mind if I ask, like, what's

597
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Speaker 4: the link? What's some of the lingo that you recognized?

598
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Speaker 5: Oh?

599
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Speaker 11: Man, I mean definitely rage beating, definitely, some of the

600
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Speaker 11: you know, I'm drawn the line there with some of

601
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Speaker 11: them more sexualized, uh.

602
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Speaker 5: Maybe more perspectives, Uh yeah, man.

603
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Speaker 11: And I think the scary part for me is is

604
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Speaker 11: some of the young.

605
00:27:24,869 --> 00:27:27,429
Speaker 5: Lady it's very normalized. Yeah.

606
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Speaker 11: Yeah, And I find myself kind of like having to

607
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Speaker 11: put on a little bit of a of a of

608
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Speaker 11: a of a tough guy face when I'm in the situation.

609
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Speaker 5: Is because you.

610
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Speaker 11: Know, we have a different perspective, but the impact is

611
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Speaker 11: deep and they and they just because of that fact

612
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Speaker 11: that they grew.

613
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Speaker 5: Up in this world.

614
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Speaker 11: It just doesn't really impact them, and it doesn't thet they.

615
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Speaker 3: Say it is the norm.

616
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Speaker 1: Yeah hot, Is it hot to get angry at them

617
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Speaker 1: then in because obviously for then, they obviously think it's

618
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Speaker 1: so normal that they didn't even realize they're doing something bad.

619
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

621
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Speaker 11: Well, from my position and what I and what I

622
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Speaker 11: deal with, I think I can't get angry in the

623
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Speaker 11: sense of of I understand there's the dynamic there where

624
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Speaker 11: you can see kind of the angle where they're getting

625
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Speaker 11: drawn in. And my role in the you know, well

626
00:28:21,189 --> 00:28:24,829
Speaker 11: being type of role is to provide the support.

627
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Speaker 5: Man and the odd we're really trying to figure out

628
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Speaker 5: how to get ahead of it.

629
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Speaker 4: And we were talking before about the fact that this

630
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Speaker 4: is what created the menisphere, is the sense of shaming.

631
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I'm Americans, so this is we uh, you know,

632
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Speaker 11: I've got a massive political science. So this can go

633
00:28:45,229 --> 00:28:47,629
Speaker 11: into a deep, deep, deep place where you look at

634
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Speaker 11: some of the causes to it, But at the end

635
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:51,829
Speaker 11: of the day, it's about respect. And at the end

636
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Speaker 11: of the day, it's about the study that you're in,

637
00:28:53,469 --> 00:28:55,389
Speaker 11: and you have to respect the fact that other people

638
00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:57,669
Speaker 11: might now have the perspective of you, and you need

639
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Speaker 11: to understand that that that that the environment you create

640
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Speaker 11: and the impact in the environment that you can have

641
00:29:03,749 --> 00:29:05,749
Speaker 11: really matters. And I think that's what we try to

642
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Speaker 11: teach from a well being perspective, because you don't want

643
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Speaker 11: you know, there's that line where you want to tell

644
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Speaker 11: the kids what to believe.

645
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's just not that's my p.

646
00:29:17,069 --> 00:29:18,909
Speaker 4: You can't tell someone how to feel or what to think.

647
00:29:18,989 --> 00:29:20,669
Speaker 4: And it's been great to talk to you, mate, Thank

648
00:29:20,669 --> 00:29:23,669
Speaker 4: you for the insight. Sounds like job you'd be you'd

649
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:24,509
Speaker 4: be great at your job in.

650
00:29:25,829 --> 00:29:29,269
Speaker 5: Boys appreciates he was great.

651
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Speaker 3: We've got Kelly back. Will This is huge Kelly. Kelly.

652
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Speaker 3: What happened before? Kelly?

653
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Speaker 9: Oh, I had the phone situation happening and it just

654
00:29:37,309 --> 00:29:37,989
Speaker 9: didn't work out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're you're a mom of four boys, Kelly, I am.

656
00:29:42,269 --> 00:29:44,949
Speaker 9: I am four beautiful, amazing boys.

657
00:29:45,509 --> 00:29:47,749
Speaker 3: And how we feel? How are we feeling about all

658
00:29:47,749 --> 00:29:48,709
Speaker 3: this Manisphere stuff?

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Speaker 7: Kelly, Look, it's really hard.

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Speaker 9: We haven't watched the docco itself, but you know, even

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Speaker 9: that caller before like rage baiting, and you know, the

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Speaker 9: whole concept of shame is really something that you know,

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Speaker 9: us as parents are trying to parent our kids to

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Speaker 9: not feel shame. But you know, I think we raise

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Speaker 9: our kids or our boys to be intuitive and sensitive

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Speaker 9: to that kind of stuff that's happening in their schools.

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Speaker 9: But you know, calling it out is something that we

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Speaker 9: try to encourage our kids to do when they see it,

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Speaker 9: whether it's that school, in the sport arena, if it's

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Speaker 9: even with family. I think it's really important to you know,

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Speaker 9: break down those gender stereotypes because that's where it all starts.

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Speaker 9: And we try to role model that stuff at home.

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Speaker 9: So my husband and I try to you know, get

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Speaker 9: rid of them in the household so that they're seeing,

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Speaker 9: you know, gender equality at home, so that when they

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Speaker 9: hear it in the school setting, they're like, that's not cool.

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Speaker 7: Like that's all right, And.

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Speaker 9: You have you found doing that?

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Speaker 3: Have you found it? Come the other way, Kelly.

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Speaker 4: We spoke to doctor Stephen Roberts yesterday from Monash Unior

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Speaker 4: who was saying that he's obviously doing the same thing,

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Speaker 4: but he had a little boy who was coming home

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Speaker 4: who was fourteen, maybe it was the younger one, the

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Speaker 4: seven year old, I can't remember, but they were coming

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Speaker 4: home talking about. So he's a little boy who's coming

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Speaker 4: home pointing at his dad and saying, Dad, you and

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Speaker 4: I are the boss.

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Speaker 3: Mum's not.

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Speaker 4: Have you experience you experienced that You got that from

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Speaker 4: your three year old at three?

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Speaker 9: Says that at school they're like boys and girls are

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Speaker 9: such a big thing at school, and he's like, you're

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Speaker 9: a girl and you're a boy, and we're the boys

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Speaker 9: and all that kind of stuff. And it's so hard

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Speaker 9: at home having a household of five boys and one female.

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Speaker 9: So then you know, he is seeing that I'm out

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Speaker 9: numbered at home, so it's really hard to break it down.

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Speaker 9: But you know, I then hope that my oldest sons

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Speaker 9: then go, no, that's not right. You know, Mum's the

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Speaker 9: boss as well, and they kind of then role model

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Speaker 9: it to him. So it's what they see and what

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Speaker 9: they hear at home, and then getting them to challenging

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Speaker 9: it out in society is so important. But it takes

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Speaker 9: a lot because some kids just can't do that, or

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Speaker 9: they don't want to, or they're scared to do that.

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Speaker 3: You know, but Kelly, you sound like mom, you're doing.

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Speaker 4: You go and have a double past to go to

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Speaker 4: see project project hell Mary take your partner along Project

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Speaker 4: hell Mary only in cinemas tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I believe that's out. Kelly. Thank you. That was awesome, scary,

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Speaker 3: but awesome. Three year old.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate. Keep doing the good work. I know three

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Speaker 9: year olds.

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Speaker 4: Don't take three from a three year old mate, just

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Speaker 4: I'd put mine straight back in the cage, get the

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Speaker 4: hose on it.

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Speaker 3: It's truth. Will is selling those cages online. Actually,