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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Joe, Good.

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Speaker 1: Joe. How have things been in Catherine from your perspective?

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Speaker 2: least bring them or send an email, but you know,

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Speaker 2: both business are now going to have to what will

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Speaker 2: they change banks if they need to bank or are

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Speaker 2: they going to go and line up at the post

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Speaker 2: office which generally when you go there as a massive

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Speaker 2: queue to the door anyway, so businesses don't have time

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Speaker 2: day to day basis.

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Speaker 1: Well, Joe Hersey, the CLP member for Catherine, I always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thanks so much for having a chat

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Speaker 1: with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. Until we getting soon, Thank you,